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I’m the President of the USA who at times pretend to be the Prime Minister of France, on Friday’s I pretend to sit on Putin’s chair and on Sunday’s evening I have Kung Pao chicken with fried rice with Chinese President.And you know this, how?
Stop making spurious claims without backing them up with evidence thenI’m the President of the USA who at times pretend to be the Prime Minister of France, on Friday’s I pretend to sit on Putin’s chair and on Sunday’s evening I have Kung Pao chicken with fried rice with Chinese President.
Stop asking dumb questions.
Well that is case with most largest world’s economy, take China as an example.Somebody should inform Russia then. We're their second largest purchaser of Crude (China 47%, India 37%) even though they're under US sanctions
Maybe somebody should also inform Iran. We just signed a 10 year deal with them to build and operate the Chabahar port and are exploring ways to find ways to import oil from them bypassing US sanctions through FATF. India is planning to accept Indian rupees in payment.
There is difference between opinion, claims and analysis with the context of the discussion.Stop making spurious claims without backing them up with evidence then
Right . So you like to push through your own opinions as fact regardless of their veracity . Got itThere is difference between opinion, claims and analysis with the context of the discussion.
I dont mean any ill will for any nation but this is the truth. The Pak nation has absolutely been betrayed and led down a rabbit hole by these establishment guys over the past few decades. A lot of the pak posters ire here should be at their own establishment vs Ind leaders. Ind leaders are doing whats best for Ind. But thats not the case sadly with the Pak establishment rulers.
Yup, you are right, Pakistan doesn't elect its leaders, they are selected by the establishmentIf India is keen on mirroring Pakistan then India should not elect Hindu Molvis as Pakistan has never elected one .
My posts are not sugar coated whatever it may. If people want to live in denial and delusions, then so be it. Just dont shove those onto others.Two points here:
- Most of the Pakistan posters here are very negative about their establishment so your advice is pointless in that regard
- You do mean ill will, it is clear from your posts
Dont think Pak has ever "elected" one, they have always "selected" one lolYup, you are right, Pakistan doesn't elect its leaders, they are selected by the establishment
FREE IK!!
lol,Right . So you like to push through your own opinions as fact regardless of their veracity . Got it
You are absolutely correct.Yup, you are right, Pakistan doesn't elect its leaders, they are selected by the establishment
FREE IK!!
Kya yaaar ... you were right, but now again an error. IK was also selected and then he got fired because he try to fire the real masters. The Empire struck back and other puppets were selected.You are absolutely correct.
Last elections Pakistan did elect IK despite being in kidnapped and jailed.
He must be free.
If India wants to mirror Pakistan, we should let the military rule the roost and allow them to handpick their rubber stamps.If India is keen on mirroring Pakistan then India should not elect Hindu Molvis as Pakistan has never elected one .
As it been said, it has nothing to do with geo-politics, it has every thing to do with domestic politics.
Last elections.Kya yaaar ... you were right, but now again an error. IK was also selected and then he got fired because he try to fire the real masters. The Empire struck back and other puppets were selected.
Jailing of Political leaders is usually hypocritical and bad and hence IK should be freed.
That is one of the option.If India wants to mirror Pakistan, we should let the military rule the roost and allow them to handpick their rubber stamps.
You are thinking way ahead, first we would have to take the equal voting rights of all minorities and have their representation dictated by how the Hindus vote for the Hindu Majority parties.If India wants to mirror Pakistan, we should let the military rule the roost and allow them to handpick their rubber stamps.
Also give out passports only after they claim supremacy of one sect of one religion.You are thinking way ahead, first we would have to take the equal voting rights of all minorities and have their representation dictated by how the Hindus vote for the Hindu Majority parties.
True! I didn't realize that. After taking away the right of minorities, we will give them token representation in the parliament. Then we go and advertise how we elected a left wing or center candidate as our PM. Finally, we preach others to follow our governance model.You are thinking way ahead, first we would have to take the equal voting rights of all minorities and have their representation dictated by how the Hindus vote for the Hindu Majority parties.
Can u show me a post where i talk about Jaishankar's visit?You seem very negative about the Indian minister visiting Pakistan for this summit. Would you prefer if he stayed away?
That's how democracy works, Americans elected a rapist for a President. Its the will of the people of the country.That is one of the option.
But India chose to elect Hindutva Molvi.
Yea, we all are aware how democratic election works.That's how democracy works, Americans elected a rapist for a President. Its the will of the people of the country.
We don't go around shirking away from the decisions we made.
Has Pakistan not gained Independence still??
Can u show me a post where i talk about Jaishankar's visit?
I'm not sure what you mean by firmly in the US camp. We're not as subservient as the UK or Saudi Arabia but I guess we're temporarily aligned against a common enemy in China.Well that is case with most largest world’s economy, take China as an example.
Doesn’t mean India isn’t firmly placed in the USA camp, and it makes sense if India is attempting to dominate the region.
Foreign dignitaries such as PM of a country are always warmly welcomed, only few instances where they were not.I'm not sure what you mean by firmly in the US camp. We're not as subservient as the UK or Saudi Arabia but I guess we're temporarily aligned against a common enemy in China.
It's probably difficult to understand for someone who sees foreign policy as black and white but there's a reason why the Indian prime minister was warmly welcomed in both Kiev and Moscow and why he's had state visits to both Teheran and Washington DC.
Has any other head of state from the supposed 'US camp' dared to visit Russia? Imran maybe and we all know how that turned out.Foreign dignitaries such as PM of a country are always warmly welcomed, only few instances where they were not.
Modi would be warmly welcomed in China as well.
IK wasn’t removed because he went to Russia. He was removed because of his speech in the UN.Has any other head of state from the supposed 'US camp' dared to visit Russia? Imran maybe and we all know how that turned out.
Which factor would you measure by then? Which objective measure do you use to measure alignment with a major power? I'm curious since you're so convinced of your views on India's foreign policy stance.IK wasn’t removed because he went to Russia. He was removed because of his speech in the UN.
Exactly that is my point, despite visiting Russia and Ukraine, he had to after visiting Russia, India is firmly placed itself in USA camp.
Tomorrow, Modi can visit China, China will lay down the red carpet but India will be considered in the USA camp.
Visit are just visit unless one ignores other factors.
That was a weak comeback, but honestly, it's what I expected from you. Pakistan hosting the Champions Trophy without India doesn’t change the fact that India selectively plays Pakistan, exposing India's hypocrisy which I think you now have agreed.So you should ask PCB to go ahead and host CT without Ind. SL is ready with their suitcases at the airport to play anywhere LOL.. Yeah for pappubhakts and topibhakts like you , maybe it id difficult to comprehend I dont know
As usual you are deflecting. You make a false statement, get called out and resort to Boris johnson dead cat tacticsIs that not what the thread is about?
Indian teams are in crosshairs in Pakistan given India-Pakistan history, as compared to English, Aussie, Kiwi.That's a pretty lame excuse, honestly. English, Aussie, and Kiwi players aren't exactly living in a bubble wrap either. Their lives are also important. Security teams of these countries gave clearance for their visit.
Even Pakistani team visits India, despite practically needing a medal for bravery with the current BJP government. Maybe they all are just made of tougher stuff?
you are looking for objectivity? Don't think its there in his vocabularyWhich factor would you measure by then? Which objective measure do you use to measure alignment with a major power? I'm curious since you're so convinced of your views on India's foreign policy stance.
Are you still upset at me for holding different views than you?you are looking for objectivity? Don't think its there in his vocabulary
you can prove your point by providing the objective metric you were asked for. do you have what it takes?Are you still upset at me for holding different views than you?
you can prove your point by providing the objective metric you were asked for. do you have what it takes?
Get the facts. BCCI has always said playing Pak in bilateral series and Ind visiting Pak for any event is a GOI decision. And yes, Ind will play Pak in multilateral events as it involves other countries and their financial success as well. But if it forced to play Pak in that ICC event if Pak is the host - and if GOI denies permission then Ind wont tour Pak in this case. Hypocrisy is with PCB. They call Ind dushman mulk and then shamelessly wine and dine with bcci brass - thats hypocrisy. Why is this so difficult for you to understand or comprehend ?That was a weak comeback, but honestly, it's what I expected from you. Pakistan hosting the Champions Trophy without India doesn’t change the fact that India selectively plays Pakistan, exposing India's hypocrisy which I think you now have agreed.
And by the way, I am not anyone’s 'bhakt'. Perhaps you are still upset about failing to justify the whole 'Rahul Khan' argument? 'Andhbhakht' is finding a way to get out of this argument as well.
If you feel insecure because of the reality , thats on you.Two points here:
- Most of the Pakistan posters here are very negative about their establishment so your advice is pointless in that regard
- You do mean ill will, it is clear from your posts
Why would I feel insecure about your negativity towards Pakistan? I don't know why you didn't just own it.If you feel insecure because of the reality , thats on you.
As usual you are deflecting. You make a false statement, get called out and resort to Boris johnson dead cat tactics
yes. can you show me post where I bring up jaishankar's visitSo I am deflecting by asking you why you are negative about the visit of your minister to Pakistan ( the topic of the thread) while you are not deflecting by saying your posts were not about the thread topic?
At least he can't call you a Pakistani since you already are one. But think about the Indians who are labeled as Pakistanis by these 'andhbhakhts' just for holding a different viewpoint.Are you still upset at me for holding different views than you?
Isn’t it funny? The guy who feasts on Godi media suddenly has no taste for sugar-coated stuff.My posts are not sugar coated whatever it may. If people want to live in denial and delusions, then so be it. Just dont shove those onto others.
Infact that is the story of a old super hit rajinikanth movie .it took almost 30 years in the movie for himself tooYup, Pak is going fix its economy and PCB is growing to grow way richer than BCCI and whole cricketing world is revolve around PCB.
PCB will then take revenge on BCCI. good story bro.
Again the point being ?? SCO is a multination event and no B/L talks can happen. So even rival nations will attend. Pak cant raise any bilateral issue. So even if there is a war b/w Ind and Pak and the SCO event happens - the Ind delegate will still attend it because it is a multination event.But no one is disputing any of that, but your foreign minister Jaishankar is coming to Pakistan for this SCO summit - that was the topic of discussion. I'm assuming you must be quite agitated about it since you are spewing a litany of vitriol towards Pakistan. Are you disappointed that he is going to Pakistan given all those awful things you mentioned about the country?
At the very least, please stop degrading Pakistan. He is attending a multi-lateral summit in Pakistan. No one knows, How it is a diplomatic win for Pakistan.But no one is disputing any of that, but your foreign minister Jaishankar is coming to Pakistan for this SCO summit - that was the topic of discussion. I'm assuming you must be quite agitated about it since you are spewing a litany of vitriol towards Pakistan. Are you disappointed that he is going to Pakistan given all those awful things you mentioned about the country?
They are rabid islamophobes, Pakistan hating is just a timepass for them, literally. Feel sorry for the muslims who have them in their company as ‘friends’But no one is disputing any of that, but your foreign minister Jaishankar is coming to Pakistan for this SCO summit - that was the topic of discussion. I'm assuming you must be quite agitated about it since you are spewing a litany of vitriol towards Pakistan. Are you disappointed that he is going to Pakistan given all those awful things you mentioned about the country?
If war ever *did* take place, why the hell would Ind ever attend this event In Pakistan?!Again the point being ?? SCO is a multination event and no B/L talks can happen. So even rival nations will attend. Pak cant raise any bilateral issue. So even if there is a war b/w Ind and Pak and the SCO event happens - the Ind delegate will still attend it because it is a multination event.
Which factor would you measure by then? Which objective measure do you use to measure alignment with a major power? I'm curious since you're so convinced of your views on India's foreign policy stance.
Again the point being ?? SCO is a multination event and no B/L talks can happen. So even rival nations will attend. Pak cant raise any bilateral issue. So even if there is a war b/w Ind and Pak and the SCO event happens - the Ind delegate will still attend it because it is a multination event.
What are you smoking? Why would the Indian delegate attend the SCO summit during a war with Pakistan? Are they just going for the free tea and awkward small talk?Again the point being ?? SCO is a multination event and no B/L talks can happen. So even rival nations will attend. Pak cant raise any bilateral issue. So even if there is a war b/w Ind and Pak and the SCO event happens - the Ind delegate will still attend it because it is a multination event.
At the very least, please stop degrading Pakistan. He is attending a multi-lateral summit in Pakistan. No one knows, How it is a diplomatic win for Pakistan.
That's because Jaishankar's visit to Pakistan is surely not the topic of this thread.I only asked you one question and you couldn't even answer that. I asked you if you were disappointed that he was attending given your obvious hostility to Pakistan but you didn't reply on that.
Why should I be disappointed ?? Its part of geopoliticking. I thought that was obvious. Ind gov will do whats good for Ind as part of their foreign policy.I only asked you one question and you couldn't even answer that. I asked you if you were disappointed that he was attending given your obvious hostility to Pakistan but you didn't reply on that.
Whatever you are smoking.What are you smoking? Why would the Indian delegate attend the SCO summit during a war with Pakistan? Are they just going for the free tea and awkward small talk?
See post aboveIf war ever *did* take place, why the hell would Ind ever attend this event In Pakistan?!
Doubt it, ever.See post above
Oh man! Thats just shocking, those Talibanis, those bastions of peace, the upholders of peace and their loving citizens. How will the SCO manage now!?!!Afghanistan not invited to SCO summit
Afghanistan will not participate in the upcoming Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit, that will take place in Islamabad on October 15 and 16, as it has not received an invitation from the bloc's Secretariat.
Afghanistan's absence from the summit is confirmed after it was revealed that the SCO Secretariat did not extend an invitation to the country, according to Express News.
This decision also underscores Afghanistan's current status within the organisation, as it is classified as an observer state rather than a full member.
Diplomatic sources indicate that Afghanistan's membership in the SCO has been inactive since September 2021. The country became an SCO observer on June 7, 2012, but has not engaged actively since its membership was rendered.
Pakistan, the host country for the summit, is expected to welcome leaders from various nations and around 200 delegations.
Reports indicate that the Taliban-led administration in Afghanistan has not acknowledged many provisions of the SCO-Afghan agreement, making recognition of the agreement essential for the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.
In contrast to Afghanistan, Mongolia has been invited to attend the summit as an observer state.
The SCO remains focused on fostering regional cooperation and security, with significant participation anticipated at the upcoming meeting.
Afghanistan will not attend SCO | The Express Tribune
Afghanistan did not receive an invitation to SCO due to its inactive status within the cooperationtribune.com.pk
Pak ministers are claiming India is in cahoots with PTI to derail the summit. India is attempting to free IK to spread chaos.At the moment SCO is not making headlines but the thing which is getting highlighted worldwide is the restriction on meeting Imran Khan and it's ensuing protest movement.
Oh man! Thats just shocking, those Talibanis, those bastions of peace, the upholders of peace and their loving citizens. How will the SCO manage now!?!!
Maybe India should give them another stadium
Ah so basically a bunch of irrelevant folks getting together for gossip. These jamborees are a major waste of developing nation's money. Can anyone point to a single thing achieved by the SCO in the 20+ years it's been around?The names of the top leaders of the member countries which will be attending the SCO summit in Islamabad are as follows:
- Chinese Premier of the State Council Li Qiang
- Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin
- Indian External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar
- Iranian First Vice-President Mohammad Reza Aref
- Belarusian Prime Minister Roman Golovchenko
- Kazakhstan’s Prime Minister Olzhas Bektenov
- Kyrgyzstan’s Ministers Cabinet Chairman Zhaparov Akylbek
- Tajikistan’s Prime Minister Kokhir Rasulzoda
- Uzbekistan’s Prime Minister Abdulla Aripov
- Mongolian Prime Minister Oyun-Erdene Luvsannamsrai
- Turkmenistan’s Cabinet of Ministers’ Deputy Chairman Rashid Meredov
- SCO Secretary General Zhang Ming
- SCO RATS Executive Committee Director Ruslan Mirzayev
- SCO Business Council Chairman of the Board Atif Ikram Shaikh
- SCO Interbank Union Chairman of the Council Marat Yelibayev
Indian minister to stay in Pakistan for SCO summit for 24 hours
Indian External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar is set to arrive in Pakistan tomorrow evening for a short visit, according to the Indian media.
Jaishankar would be visiting Pakistan to attend the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit.
During his 24-hour stay, Jaishankar is expected to hold key meetings with top Pakistani officials, including Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Finance Minister Ishaq Dar. These interactions are likely to focus on regional cooperation and diplomatic discussions under the SCO framework.
Indian media reports also suggest that the Indian minister may attend a dinner hosted by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif in honour of the summit's dignitaries. Jaishankar’s visit marks a rare diplomatic engagement between India and Pakistan, as relations between the two neighbouring countries have been strained in recent years.
Earlier on Monday, Chinese Prime Minister Li Qiang landed in Islamabad on an Air China flight for a historic visit, marking the first visit of a Chinese premier to Pakistan in 11 years. Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif personally received his Chinese counterpart at the airport.
After a warm welcome, Prime Minister Li Qiang proceeded to the PM House, where a formal guard of honour was presented to him. Both leaders are set to engage in one-on-one talks, followed by delegation-level meetings to strengthen bilateral ties.
Indian minister to stay in Pakistan for SCO summit for 24 hours: Media
Indian External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar will arrive in Pakistan tomorrow for a 24-hour visit to attend the SCO summit. He is expected to meet Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Finance Minister Ishaq Dar for regional cooperation discussions amid strained India-Pakistan relations.www.samaa.tv
Jaishankar will get a protocol welcome. He is not a head of state to get a state welcome.I hope he gets the proper state welcome from Pakistan. If not it would be a disgrace.
Ah so basically a bunch of irrelevant folks getting together for gossip. These jamborees are a major waste of developing nation's money. Can anyone point to a single thing achieved by the SCO in the 20+ years it's been around?
Ah so basically a bunch of irrelevant folks getting together for gossip. These jamborees are a major waste of developing nation's money. Can anyone point to a single thing achieved by the SCO in the 20+ years it's been around?
Yeah the SCO needs to go the way of SAARC. I think there have been proposals to merge with other groups but it seems to run on like a zombie entity. If left to China and Russia, they would look to develop it as a counter to NATO - basically some military and intelligence co-operation but the presence of the odd man out in India doesn't allow that.There’s a reason why we put SAARC summits in a cold box. These low level conferences don’t serve our global ambitions.
China has been creating and expanding all such random mulilateral orgs to counter western dominated hierarchy of UN. But China has no idea how to manage it with its solo agenda of dictating everything.Yeah the SCO needs to go the way of SAARC. I think there have been proposals to merge with other groups but it seems to run on like a zombie entity. If left to China and Russia, they would look to develop it as a counter to NATO - basically some military and intelligence co-operation but the presence of the odd man out in India doesn't allow that.
Yeah the more I think about it, it seems to me like India is looking to hang around as a sort of fly in the ointment.I am surprised India even bothered sending a delegate then considering the poor relations between the two countries.