India's foreign minister S Jaishankar to visit Pakistan to attend SCO summit (2024)

[globetrotter]

Pakistan should utilised Jaishankar’s visit to improve ties with India… if Pak stick to their old policy of Kashmir, then nothing gonna work in favor of pak.

Pakistan isn’t learning from past visits of Indian politicians… In 2003, when India’s 3 tier leader Lalu Prasad Yadav visited Pakistan, at that time terrorism was at peak in J&K. But Lalu clearly said in Pak parliament “Jahan pe aatankwad hota hai, waha pe darindgi aur garibi aa jaati hai”. Unfortunately Pakistan not took him seriously and now Pakistan is paying the price.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Actually I guess at a push you could call it a win where India is trying to isolate Pakistan but the FM is forced to travel there for regional meetings.

It's not something that I agree with just putting it forward as a theory.

Overall it's not a big deal imo.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He isn't coming for any bilateral talks. He is coming for the SCO summit.

And to check the security arrangements for the Champions Trophy.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Then what is the diplomatic win?

Actually I guess at a push you could call it a win where India is trying to isolate Pakistan but the FM is forced to travel there for regional meetings.

It's not something that I agree with just putting it forward as a theory.

Overall it's not a big deal imo.

India not begging to host the SCO summit anywhere but Pakistan should be celebrated as a win. It’s like saying, ‘Sure, Pakistan is safe enough for our Foreign Minister, but not for our cricketers.’

If this meeting wasn’t that important, Jaishankar could have just said, ‘Nah, I am good,’ and stayed home, letting the armchair warriors back home get their daily dose of outrage.

 

[Rajdeep]

India not begging to host the SCO summit anywhere but Pakistan should be celebrated as a win. It’s like saying, ‘Sure, Pakistan is safe enough for our Foreign Minister, but not for our cricketers.’

If this meeting wasn’t that important, Jaishankar could have just said, ‘Nah, I am good,’ and stayed home, letting the armchair warriors back home get their daily dose of outrage.

India has clout in cricket. So they don't beg but demand for changing venues like they did during Asia cup. Other boards fall in line and agree to BCCIs demands. Think begging is only for Pakistan in IMF.

India has no such clout in SCO. So they cannot by any means ask to change the host country. They could have refused participation though, which would have been ideal and what I would have liked, but for some strange reason FM decided to attend it. Maybe India has something in mind, especially with the situation in Bangladesh.

I am 100% in support from Day1 that Indian cricket team should visit Pakistan for Champions trophy. The reason being it is an ICC event and also will be fun to humiliate them in their own grounds. If anything, I wish Zakir Naik also in attendance in Stadium watching the game...especially when Rohit facing their trundlers in Gaddafi Stadium. That will be some sight to behold.

However, to think just bcoz S.Jaishankar is visiting, it is some sort of a green light for Indian cricket team is a wrong analogy. BCCI, after accessing every situation will discuss it.

Shukla ji and Roger Binny went to Pakistan last year, had ladoo and came back. Anything happened after that?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India has clout in cricket. So they don't beg but demand for changing venues like they did during Asia cup. Other boards fall in line and agree to BCCIs demands. Think begging is only for Pakistan in IMF.

India has no such clout in SCO. So they cannot by any means ask to change the host country. They could have refused participation though, which would have been ideal and what I would have liked, but for some strange reason FM decided to attend it. Maybe India has something in mind, especially with the situation in Bangladesh.

I am 100% in support from Day1 that Indian cricket team should visit Pakistan for Champions trophy. The reason being it is an ICC event and also will be fun to humiliate them in their own grounds. If anything, I wish Zakir Naik also in attendance in Stadium watching the game...especially when Rohit facing their trundlers in Gaddafi Stadium. That will be some sight to behold.

However, to think just bcoz S.Jaishankar is visiting, it is some sort of a green light for Indian cricket team is a wrong analogy. BCCI, after accessing every situation will discuss it.

Shukla ji and Roger Binny went to Pakistan last year, had ladoo and came back. Anything happened after that?

A lot happened behind the scenes. They said Pakistani ladoo was better but Indian media censored the news

 

[RexRex]

No bilateral relations with Pakistan until Kulbhushan Yadav is returned safe and sound.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

India has clout in cricket. So they don't beg but demand for changing venues like they did during Asia cup. Other boards fall in line and agree to BCCIs demands. Think begging is only for Pakistan in IMF.

India has no such clout in SCO. So they cannot by any means ask to change the host country. They could have refused participation though, which would have been ideal and what I would have liked, but for some strange reason FM decided to attend it. Maybe India has something in mind, especially with the situation in Bangladesh.

I am 100% in support from Day1 that Indian cricket team should visit Pakistan for Champions trophy. The reason being it is an ICC event and also will be fun to humiliate them in their own grounds. If anything, I wish Zakir Naik also in attendance in Stadium watching the game...especially when Rohit facing their trundlers in Gaddafi Stadium. That will be some sight to behold.

However, to think just bcoz S.Jaishankar is visiting, it is some sort of a green light for Indian cricket team is a wrong analogy. BCCI, after accessing every situation will discuss it.

Shukla ji and Roger Binny went to Pakistan last year, had ladoo and came back. Anything happened after that?

You should be on stage

 

[JaDed]

There has been no such visit in the last decade. this is not a small thing that Indian minister is visiting Pakistan.

Modi literally visited Pakistan.. how is this bigger than that?

 

[deltexas]

India not begging to host the SCO summit anywhere but Pakistan should be celebrated as a win. It’s like saying, ‘Sure, Pakistan is safe enough for our Foreign Minister, but not for our cricketers.’

If this meeting wasn’t that important, Jaishankar could have just said, ‘Nah, I am good,’ and stayed home, letting the armchair warriors back home get their daily dose of outrage.

Do you even know what the SCO meet is ? I guess not because a lot of that info is not available on tiktok videos.

The SCO meet is for countries in the group having a discussion. Countries cant have a "bilateral issue negotiation". So Ind and Pak cannot discuss any bilateral issue even if they wanted to because that is not the SCO. So, even rival countries in the group will attend the event even if it is is a rival country and those 2 countries are not on talking terms. So if say Ind and China are not on talking terms and the SCO event is scheduled in Ind , China will still participate. Yes, their PM or President may not come but they can send a "delegate " ..

Not a 10 sec tiktok video, but Read this for info :

Shanghai Cooperation Organisation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Do you even know what the SCO meet is ? I guess not because a lot of that info is not available on tiktok videos.

The SCO meet is for countries in the group having a discussion. Countries cant have a "bilateral issue negotiation". So Ind and Pak cannot discuss any bilateral issue even if they wanted to because that is not the SCO. So, even rival countries in the group will attend the event even if it is is a rival country and those 2 countries are not on talking terms. So if say Ind and China are not on talking terms and the SCO event is scheduled in Ind , China will still participate. Yes, their PM or President may not come but they can send a "delegate " ..

Not a 10 sec tiktok video, but Read this for info :

Shanghai Cooperation Organisation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Next time you quote me, make sure to do your research properly. TikTok is banned in India. While you may get your daily dose of entertainment from it, I get mine from andhbhakhts like you.

Now, regarding the SCO meeting. Just as the SCO is a forum for its member countries, the Champions Trophy is a multinational tournament, this is why I made the comparison.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Indian FM rules out bilateral talks during SCO Summit in Pakistan

India’s foreign minister has ruled out discussing bilateral relations with rival Pakistan as he is scheduled to embark on his first trip to the neighbouring country in nearly a decade to attend the 2024 Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit.

Subrahmanyam Jaishankar told reporters on Saturday that he expects “a lot of media interest” in the possibility of speaking to his Pakistani counterpart at the two-day summit about the two countries’ relations, which remain in a deep freeze since a deadly armed attack in Indian-administered Kashmir in 2019.

“But I do want to say it will be for a multilateral event. I am not going there to discuss India-Pakistan relations,” he added.

“I am going there to be a good member of the SCO, but since I am a courteous and civil person, I will behave myself accordingly.”

The Indian Ministry of External Affairs confirmed on Friday that Jaishankar would attend the summit from October 15 to 16, which India chaired last year, but did not say if he would meet any Pakistani leaders on the sidelines.

Indian FM rules out bilateral talks during SCO Summit in Pakistan

Subrahmanyam Jaishankar rules talks as prominent Kashmir leader urges India, Pakistan to ‘break the ice and engage’.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[deltexas]

Next time you quote me, make sure to do your research properly. TikTok is banned in India. While you may get your daily dose of entertainment from it, I get mine from andhbhakhts like you.

Now, regarding the SCO meeting. Just as the SCO is a forum for its member countries, the Champions Trophy is a multinational tournament, this is why I made the comparison.

I always do my research and dont just post inane videos like you. And regarding tiktok and Ind, yeah I'm are of it. Guess, sarcasm is not your strongest suit and probably flew over your head , and I probably should have known that. And there is a lot of entertainment folks here get from pappubhakts / topibhakts like you

And on the SCO - its not just a forum for members - the key thing is only multination issues can be discussed there. No bilateral talks or no bilateral issue discussion. Bet you didnt know that. And there is no comparison. There is no CT members meet up similar to SCO. It is an ICC sanctioned event. Whereas for SCO - members still attend the forum even if they dont talk to each other at a bilateral level.

 

[deltexas]

Indian FM rules out bilateral talks during SCO Summit in Pakistan

India’s foreign minister has ruled out discussing bilateral relations with rival Pakistan as he is scheduled to embark on his first trip to the neighbouring country in nearly a decade to attend the 2024 Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit.

Subrahmanyam Jaishankar told reporters on Saturday that he expects “a lot of media interest” in the possibility of speaking to his Pakistani counterpart at the two-day summit about the two countries’ relations, which remain in a deep freeze since a deadly armed attack in Indian-administered Kashmir in 2019.

“But I do want to say it will be for a multilateral event. I am not going there to discuss India-Pakistan relations,” he added.

“I am going there to be a good member of the SCO, but since I am a courteous and civil person, I will behave myself accordingly.”

The Indian Ministry of External Affairs confirmed on Friday that Jaishankar would attend the summit from October 15 to 16, which India chaired last year, but did not say if he would meet any Pakistani leaders on the sidelines.

Indian FM rules out bilateral talks during SCO Summit in Pakistan

Subrahmanyam Jaishankar rules talks as prominent Kashmir leader urges India, Pakistan to ‘break the ice and engage’.

www.aljazeera.com

Thanks for confirming .

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I always do my research and dont just post inane videos like you. And regarding tiktok and Ind, yeah I'm are of it. Guess, sarcasm is not your strongest suit and probably flew over your head , and I probably should have known that. And there is a lot of entertainment folks here get from pappubhakts / topibhakts like you

And on the SCO - its not just a forum for members - the key thing is only multination issues can be discussed there. No bilateral talks or no bilateral issue discussion. Bet you didnt know that. And there is no comparison. There is no CT members meet up similar to SCO. It is an ICC sanctioned event. Whereas for SCO - members still attend the forum even if they dont talk to each other at a bilateral level.

It seems that my sharing and posting of videos gets under your skin every time. It is very likely you weren’t aware that TikTok is banned in India. The internet is flooded with funny videos and comments from 'andhbhakts.' However, I don’t have access to any funny content from 'andhbhakts' on TikTok.

I think you should take a moment and revisit my original point: Pakistan is safe for India's foreign minister, but not for Indian cricketers. I am curious to see your response to this specific statement.

And keep your weak sarcasm to yourself. You are simply not good at it.

 

[guard]

Pakistan should utilised Jaishankar’s visit to improve ties with India… if Pak stick to their old policy of Kashmir, then nothing gonna work in favor of pak.

Pakistan isn’t learning from past visits of Indian politicians… In 2003, when India’s 3 tier leader Lalu Prasad Yadav visited Pakistan, at that time terrorism was at peak in J&K. But Lalu clearly said in Pak parliament “Jahan pe aatankwad hota hai, waha pe darindgi aur garibi aa jaati hai”. Unfortunately Pakistan not took him seriously and now Pakistan is paying the price.

Genuine Pakistanis have zero faith in the current leadership, why… because it does not represent them.
Crook R us… what do you expect from such a committee. I wish that religion and state politics were separate. But never ever happening as it pays a lot of people in the chain

 

[guard]

You should be on stage

He is, Friday night Live at the Apollo, with that Paul Chow dude

 

[Local.Dada]

It seems that my sharing and posting of videos gets under your skin every time. It is very likely you weren’t aware that TikTok is banned in India. The internet is flooded with funny videos and comments from 'andhbhakts.' However, I don’t have access to any funny content from 'andhbhakts' on TikTok.

I think you should take a moment and revisit my original point: Pakistan is safe for India's foreign minister, but not for Indian cricketers. I am curious to see your response to this specific statement.

And keep your weak sarcasm to yourself. You are simply not good at it.

Yes Pakistan is safe because foreign minister with full security protocol and cricketers get presidential security are visiting it . Why don’t you visit Quetta for us and post your pics

 

[guard]

Indian FM rules out bilateral talks during SCO Summit in Pakistan

India’s foreign minister has ruled out discussing bilateral relations with rival Pakistan as he is scheduled to embark on his first trip to the neighbouring country in nearly a decade to attend the 2024 Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit.

Subrahmanyam Jaishankar told reporters on Saturday that he expects “a lot of media interest” in the possibility of speaking to his Pakistani counterpart at the two-day summit about the two countries’ relations, which remain in a deep freeze since a deadly armed attack in Indian-administered Kashmir in 2019.

“But I do want to say it will be for a multilateral event. I am not going there to discuss India-Pakistan relations,” he added.

“I am going there to be a good member of the SCO, but since I am a courteous and civil person, I will behave myself accordingly.”

The Indian Ministry of External Affairs confirmed on Friday that Jaishankar would attend the summit from October 15 to 16, which India chaired last year, but did not say if he would meet any Pakistani leaders on the sidelines.

Indian FM rules out bilateral talks during SCO Summit in Pakistan

Subrahmanyam Jaishankar rules talks as prominent Kashmir leader urges India, Pakistan to ‘break the ice and engage’.

www.aljazeera.com

Treat him with respect and humility regardlessly, he is a guest and should be respected, but knowing the Crooks contingent though wouldn’t put it past them to say totally absurd and cringe statements.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yes Pakistan is safe because foreign minister with full security protocol and cricketers get presidential security are visiting it . Why don’t you visit Quetta for us and post your pics

Lol, you are going off on a completely different tangent. Understand the comment first before responding. Here is a hint: Foreign minister is visiting Pakistan but cricketers are not. Come back with a solid reply or don't bother quoting me.

 

[deltexas]

It seems that my sharing and posting of videos gets under your skin every time. It is very likely you weren’t aware that TikTok is banned in India. The internet is flooded with funny videos and comments from 'andhbhakts.' However, I don’t have access to any funny content from 'andhbhakts' on TikTok.

I think you should take a moment and revisit my original point: Pakistan is safe for India's foreign minister, but not for Indian cricketers. I am curious to see your response to this specific statement.

And keep your weak sarcasm to yourself. You are simply not good at it.

Lol getting under the skin. Every tom d and harry knows tiktok is banned in ind. They were trying to ban it in the usa as well. Also as you know so much about tiktok let me know if it's banned in pak because I'm not aware of it. Pappubhakts and topibhakts like you would probably know more

And ind cricketers not visiting pak is not for safety reasons. It's political reasons. And now with the karachi airport blast- it will just give more ammunition.. and sarcasm is meant to be understood- not be good at

 

[arunp]

Lol getting under the skin. Every tom d and harry knows tiktok is banned in ind. They were trying to ban it in the usa as well. Also as you know so much about tiktok let me know if it's banned in pak because I'm not aware of it. Pappubhakts and topibhakts like you would probably know more

And ind cricketers not visiting pak is not for safety reasons. It's political reasons. And now with the karachi airport blast- it will just give more ammunition.. and sarcasm is meant to be understood- not be good at

Even if it was not political reasons, a foreign minister landing at the airport and driving to conference and going back is not the same as a cricket team of 15 players + 15 staff traveling from city to city to play a game in open amongst 40,000 people for 10 hours in open. Both the risk profiles are completely different and it can be argued the latter is riskier than the former.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yes Pakistan is safe because foreign minister with full security protocol and cricketers get presidential security are visiting it . Why don’t you visit Quetta for us and post your pics

lol That has to be the dumbest post so far by our Pakistani pretending to be Indian

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Lol, you are going off on a completely different tangent. Understand the comment first before responding. Here is a hint: Foreign minister is visiting Pakistan but cricketers are not. Come back with a solid reply or don't bother quoting me.

Here is a hint: Islamic countries engage with Israeli leaders for negotiations and for other summits but don't play sports with Israel.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Here is a hint: Islamic countries engage with Israeli leaders for negotiations and for other summits but don't play sports with Israel.

Here is another hint for you: India does occasionally play Pakistan in multi-nation tournaments. You either play all matches against Pakistan or boycott them entirely. This selective approach is pure hypocrisy, but unfortunately, people blinded by 'Modiabind' fail to see it.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Even if it was not political reasons, a foreign minister landing at the airport and driving to conference and going back is not the same as a cricket team of 15 players + 15 staff traveling from city to city to play a game in open amongst 40,000 people for 10 hours in open. Both the risk profiles are completely different and it can be argued the latter is riskier than the former.

Perhaps you are not aware, but the England team is currently touring Pakistan and playing a test match. It seems the safety of the English players may not be a priority, which could explain why their cricket board sent the team. They should have considered the risks involved in sending 15 players, along with the training staff, to perform in front of 40,000 people.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Here is another hint for you: India does occasionally play Pakistan in multi-nation tournaments. You either play all matches against Pakistan or boycott them entirely. This selective approach is pure hypocrisy, but unfortunately, people blinded by 'Modiabind' fail to see it.

Let me know about hypocrisy when India carries out terror attacks on Pakistani soil.
Pakistan has no issue with Russia and Thailand as observer states in OIC but has been actively blocking India's entry anywhere near OIC.
Pakistan pulled out of Asia cup in 1991 but was fine playing India in the 1992 World Cup. Hypocrisy Much ??

Comeback when your arguments actually have substance or any relevance with reality.

 

[Rajdeep]

Here is another hint for you: India does occasionally play Pakistan in multi-nation tournaments. You either play all matches against Pakistan or boycott them entirely. This selective approach is pure hypocrisy, but unfortunately, people blinded by 'Modiabind' fail to see it.

Except the highlighted part, rest of it I agree with.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Except the highlighted part, rest of it I agree with.

Even the first part of his post, ignores the same pattern Pakistan had been following against India when they had the better leverage. Now once the tables have turned, look at the months and months of non-stop whining.

 

[gani999]

Here is another hint for you: India does occasionally play Pakistan in multi-nation tournaments. You either play all matches against Pakistan or boycott them entirely. This selective approach is pure hypocrisy, but unfortunately, people blinded by 'Modiabind' fail to see it.

So Jaishankar is visiting Pakistan to attend a multi-nation forum meeting called the SCO, but not for bilateral talks. Exactly what the Indian cricket team is doing. Except that the Indian team won't tour Pakistan even for an ICC tournament because of the amount of exposure and the potential security risks involved.

 

[arunp]

Perhaps you are not aware, but the England team is currently touring Pakistan and playing a test match. It seems the safety of the English players may not be a priority, which could explain why their cricket board sent the team. They should have considered the risks involved in sending 15 players, along with the training staff, to perform in front of 40,000 people.

Maybe you are not aware, the risk profile of an Indian team and an English team are completely different. On a separate but related note, I do not see 40,000 people in the stadium for the ongoing English tour.

 

[HalBass9]

Perhaps you are not aware, but the England team is currently touring Pakistan and playing a test match. It seems the safety of the English players may not be a priority, which could explain why their cricket board sent the team. They should have considered the risks involved in sending 15 players, along with the training staff, to perform in front of 40,000 people.

The same group often cites England as an example to justify their stance on banning figures like Zakir or Modi.

The decision to prevent only the Indian cricket team from traveling to Pakistan has little to do with genuine security concerns and is, in fact, largely driven by domestic Indian political considerations.

Apparently it is working as it is evident in this thread.

 

[arunp]

CHAMPIONS TROPHY EXCLUSIVE BREAKING NEWS

The ICC is now looking at a third option of moving the entire Champions Trophy out of Pakistan (in Dubai, Lanka or South Africa) other than the two: the original one of playing it in Pakistan and the second one of a Hybrid model - Pakistan and Dubai (India games, SF and Finals) Budgets are being prepared for all the three options even though the Hybrid model is a front runner as we speak. PCB of course gets to retain hosting rights. This is a very big development. Moving Champions Trophy completely out of Pakistan not easy but the very fact it is being explored by ICC isn’t good news for PCB. Won’t know before mid November at least. The Indian Govt remember hasn’t given clearance for India to travel to Pakistan.​

As per Vikrant Gupta....

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Maybe you are not aware, the risk profile of an Indian team and an English team are completely different. On a separate but related note, I do not see 40,000 people in the stadium for the ongoing English tour.

That's a pretty lame excuse, honestly. English, Aussie, and Kiwi players aren't exactly living in a bubble wrap either. Their lives are also important. Security teams of these countries gave clearance for their visit.

Even Pakistani team visits India, despite practically needing a medal for bravery with the current BJP government. Maybe they all are just made of tougher stuff?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

The same group often cites England as an example to justify their stance on banning figures like Zakir or Modi.

The decision to prevent only the Indian cricket team from traveling to Pakistan has little to do with genuine security concerns and is, in fact, largely driven by domestic Indian political considerations.

Apparently it is working as it is evident in this thread.

Pakistan used to do that against India in the 90s we are just returning the favor in same fashion!
Are you calling Pakistani stand as being hypocritical?

 

[HalBass9]

Pakistan used to do that against India in the 90s we are just returning the favor in same fashion!
Are you calling Pakistani stand as being hypocritical?

Yea!

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Yea!

Well, Karma coming back to bite Pakistan. That's all.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Yea!

and in geopolitics, things are never forgotten or forgiven.

 

[nuttyprof]

Ag

Pakistan used to do that against India in the 90s we are just returning the favor in same fashion!
Are you calling Pakistani stand as being hypocritical?

Agree with everything except Indian response is underwhelming.

 

[HalBass9]

and in geopolitics, things are never forgotten or forgiven.

Both countries are catering to their domestic audiences.

 

[JaDed]

Both countries are catering to their domestic audiences.

This is what made Vajpayee great he took a big risk, even a terrorist like Yasin Malik acknowledged that in a Pakistani show.

He wanted no issues with neighbours, he recognised Tibet for China recognising Sikkim.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Both countries are catering to their domestic audiences.

And your problem is what?

Pak and PCB acted tough when they thought they had the power, like after winning 1992 World Cup or the 2008 Mumbai attack by pak sponsored terrorists.

India/BCCI dealt with it. Time for to be a man and deal with what used to dish out

 

[nuttyprof]

This is what made Vajpayee great he took a big risk, even a terrorist like Yasin Malik acknowledged that in a Pakistani show.

He wanted no issues with neighbours, he recognised Tibet for China recognising Sikkim.

He was infected with what @rpant_gabba calls a Gandhi/Nehru virus and India had to pay for via Kargil and 26/11, for his Nobel quest.

 

[rpant_gabba]

He was infected with what @rpant_gabba calls a Gandhi/Nehru virus and India had to pay for via Kargil and 26/11, for his Nobel quest.

That was Mr. Mumble Mumble Silence

 

[HalBass9]

And your problem is what?

Pak and PCB acted tough when they thought they had the power, like after winning 1992 World Cup or the 2008 Mumbai attack by pak sponsored terrorists.

India/BCCI dealt with it. Time for to be a man and deal with what used to dish out

Problem?

All I said, both countries are catering to their domestic audience.

You seem to be getting upset about that fact and trying to justify as if it has global and geopolitical impact, currently, no one cares more than Indian as it give them false sense of superiority. So enjoy while it last.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Problem?

All I said, both countries are catering to their domestic audience.

Wrong. India/BCCI is simply replicating Pak behavior

You seem to be getting upset about that fact

Upset? no. enjoying India/BCCI approach here.

no one cares more than Indian

Apparently Pakistan and PCB does given all their whining, begging and threatening/lawsuits

So enjoy while it last.

Think its going to last as long cricket remains a popular sport.

 

[HalBass9]

Wrong. India/BCCI is simply replicating Pak behavior

Upset? no. enjoying India/BCCI approach here.

Apparently Pakistan and PCB does given all their whining, begging and threatening/lawsuits

Think its going to last as long cricket remains a popular sport.

Absolutely except the last point.

 

[HalBass9]

Wrong. India/BCCI is simply replicating Pak behavior

Upset? no. enjoying India/BCCI approach here.

Apparently Pakistan and PCB does given all their whining, begging and threatening/lawsuits

Think it’s going to last as long cricket remains a popular sport.

Also, thanks for reinforcing my point, it is for domestic consumption to give false sense of whatever Hindutva government is trying to gain from Indians.

In your case, enjoyment.

 

[nuttyprof]

Also, thanks for reinforcing my point, it is for domestic consumption to give false sense of whatever Hindutva government is trying to gain from Indians.

In your case, enjoyment.

No. It is in India’s strategic interest to have a weak Pakistan. Weak Pakistan results in weak PCB.

Some of us enjoy, because we and our families can finally lead safe and prosperous life, without being the punching bag of the world.

Given India’s economic trajectory India is going to rule ICC until it is a popular sport in India.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Also, thanks for reinforcing my point, it is for domestic consumption to give false sense of whatever Hindutva government is trying to gain from Indians.

thanks for highlighting your ignorance. The decision to stop touring pakistan was taken by the "secular" congress govt.

but why let facts get in the way.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Absolutely except the last point.

Absolutely what?

Unless cricketing economics changes, it is going to last for a while. sit back and enjoy

 

[HalBass9]

thanks for highlighting your ignorance. The decision to stop touring pakistan was taken by the "secular" congress govt.

but why let facts get in the way.

Hindutva government is the current ruling government. Congress is not.

I guess you just want to be upset because most Hindutva, in your case, atheist Hindutva, always are whenever they are defending Hindutva hypocrisy

 

[HalBass9]

No. It is in India’s strategic interest to have a weak Pakistan. Weak Pakistan results in weak PCB.

Some of us enjoy, because we and our families can finally lead safe and prosperous life, without being the punching bag of the world.

Given India’s economic trajectory India is going to rule ICC until it is a popular sport in India.

Currently, England is in Pakistan playing test series.

Indians do not want to be surrounded by weaker countries. Only, Hindutva would believe in such delusion.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Hindutva government is the current ruling government. Congress is not.

and not sending team to pakistan and not playing in bilaterals has nothing to do with hindutva givt

 

[nuttyprof]

Currently, England is in Pakistan playing test series.

Indians do not want to be surrounded by weaker countries. Only, Hindutva would believe in such delusion.

Indians do not want to be surrounded by friendly weak neighbors. Therefore help countries like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.
Indians overall do not mind weak Pakistan.

 

[HalBass9]

and not sending team to pakistan and not playing in bilaterals has nothing to do with hindutva givt

its the whining and crying by pakistanis and PCB that I enjoy

Nah, that is Pak's forte. India has no chance

Did you typed that on Hindutva keyboard, it appear as if you did because no matter how much one agree with your point you just want to appear upset and you agreeing with every point I made and you don’t even realize it make even more depressing.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Well, Karma coming back to bite Pakistan. That's all.

This means karma will come back to bite India as well, since Pakistan did it once, but India has done it multiple times.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

This means karma will come back to bite India as well, since Pakistan did it once, but India has done it multiple times.

No one deny the eternal truth from the one and the only true Holy Scripture!

 

[rpant_gabba]

This means karma will come back to bite India as well, since Pakistan did it once, but India has done it multiple times.

Yup, Pak is going fix its economy and PCB is growing to grow way richer than BCCI and whole cricketing world is revolve around PCB.

PCB will then take revenge on BCCI. good story bro.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yup, Pak is going fix its economy and PCB is growing to grow way richer than BCCI and whole cricketing world is revolve around PCB.

PCB will then take revenge on BCCI. good story bro.

I was referring to 'karma,' not Pakistan.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I was referring to 'karma,' not Pakistan.

Given that BCCI/Indian policy is a mirror image of what pakistan/PCB did in the past why would Karma be upset. Karma is probably cheering BCCI on.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Given that BCCI/Indian policy is a mirror image of what pakistan/PCB did in the past why would Karma be upset. Karma is probably cheering BCCI on.

Pakistan did it once, so if India is merely mirroring Pakistan’s actions, shouldn’t it stop after just once?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please, stay on topic. No personal remarks.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Pakistan did it once, so if India is merely mirroring Pakistan’s actions, shouldn’t it stop after just once?

Once?? Please check the actual reality before posting such arguments.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Once?? Please check the actual reality before posting such arguments.

You are more than welcome to share the reality. While you are at it, also mention the reality of India playing a bilateral series against Pakistan in 2012. Remember the famous 'Aane Do' series? The level of hypocrisy on display is astounding, especially when you have to reach back to 1991 to defend and justify it.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

You are more than welcome to share the reality. While you are at it, also mention the reality of India playing a bilateral series against Pakistan in 2012. Remember the famous 'Aane Do' series? The level of hypocrisy on display is astounding, especially when you have to reach back to 1991 to defend and justify it.

Asia Cup 2018.
India doesn't make such a long ass fuss about it when reality of geo-politics make certain things difficult. It is what, it is.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wrong. India/BCCI is simply replicating Pak behavior

Upset? no. enjoying India/BCCI approach here.

Apparently Pakistan and PCB does given all their whining, begging and threatening/lawsuits

Think its going to last as long cricket remains a popular sport.

You seem very negative about the Indian minister visiting Pakistan for this summit. Would you prefer if he stayed away?

 

[the Great Khan]

Good for jaishanker..if only we had a diplomat like him. Unfortunately he will be met by a third grade accountant..the sort you can find in a Mumbai back street..and a PM who wouldn't look out of place in a car show room..beyond a joke..Good on the indians..they have protected their nation..we are lead by traitors and beghairats

 

[Red-Indian]

You seem very negative about the Indian minister visiting Pakistan for this summit. Would you prefer if he stayed away?

Actually I'm not sure there's any value in the SCO itself anymore. I may be wrong but I don't think Modi has bothered attending for a while but I suppose there's some value in showing the US through BRICS and SCO that we're not totally in their camp. Don't take India for grated because we're still engaging with China and Russia.

Otherwise, it's become a farce like so many of the multinational organisations. There was some talk of a freetrade zone but that's obviously a non-starter. I remember there was a lot of talk of security co-operation but there's so much mutual suspicion that it's proved impossible.

To be honest, most of the members would actually breathe a sigh of relief if India exited - they're all essentially Chinese client states now and India is the odd one out.

 

[HalBass9]

Actually I'm not sure there's any value in the SCO itself anymore. I may be wrong but I don't think Modi has bothered attending for a while but I suppose there's some value in showing the US through BRICS and SCO that we're not totally in their camp. Don't take India for grated because we're still engaging with China and Russia.

Otherwise, it's become a farce like so many of the multinational organisations. There was some talk of a freetrade zone but that's obviously a non-starter. I remember there was a lot of talk of security co-operation but there's so much mutual suspicion that it's proved impossible.

To be honest, most of the members would actually breathe a sigh of relief if India exited - they're all essentially Chinese client states now and India is the odd one out.

Na!, everyone, including USA knows that India is firmly placed in the USA camp.

 

[HalBass9]

Pakistan did it once, so if India is merely mirroring Pakistan’s actions, shouldn’t it stop after just once?

If India is keen on mirroring Pakistan then India should not elect Hindu Molvis as Pakistan has never elected one .

As it been said, it has nothing to do with geo-politics, it has every thing to do with domestic politics.

 

[deltexas]

The same group often cites England as an example to justify their stance on banning figures like Zakir or Modi.

The decision to prevent only the Indian cricket team from traveling to Pakistan has little to do with genuine security concerns and is, in fact, largely driven by domestic Indian political considerations.

Apparently it is working as it is evident in this thread.

Yes, it is driven by domestic Indian political considerations. Has always been a GOI decision. PCB will bend over backwards to accommodate BCCI. Such a spineless org. Show your ire at PCB for being such a gutless spineless group.

 

[Red-Indian]

Na!, everyone, including USA knows that India is firmly placed in the USA camp.

Somebody should inform Russia then. We're their second largest purchaser of Crude (China 47%, India 37%) even though they're under US sanctions
Maybe somebody should also inform Iran. We just signed a 10 year deal with them to build and operate the Chabahar port and are exploring ways to find ways to import oil from them bypassing US sanctions through FATF. India is planning to accept Indian rupees in payment.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Somebody should inform Russia then. We're their second largest purchaser of Crude (China 47%, India 37%) even though they're under US sanctions
Maybe somebody should also inform Iran. We just signed a 10 year deal with them to build and operate the Chabahar port and are exploring ways to find ways to import oil from them bypassing US sanctions through FATF. India is planning to accept Indian rupees in payment.

Pakistan has played the double game (allegedly) for a long time with erstwhile partners, but the US generally only tolerates that so far. Iran and Russia also will probably engage to a certain limit but if there are European blocs, and Atlantic blocs, can India still be part of an Asian bloc if they are aligned basically with US interests?

 

[Red-Indian]

Pakistan has played the double game (allegedly) for a long time with erstwhile partners, but the US generally only tolerates that so far. Iran and Russia also will probably engage to a certain limit but if there are European blocs, and Atlantic blocs, can India still be part of an Asian bloc if they are aligned basically with US interests?

Who knows? We'll continue to try though and we have a long track record of it and are better at it than almost anyone. Even through our worst era of totally being in the Soviet camp, we refused to support them militarily in a single misadventure and kept some some connection with the US. That denied us some of the plum money and stuff the likes of Pakistan got by being firmly in the US camp but kept us safe from the worst side effects of the cold war - that countries in Eastern Europe experienced.

There's a core of the diplomatic corps in India who're still deeply suspicious of the US and will strongly resist any political inclination to jump fully in their camp. Jaishankar himself is a career diplomat who's had a posting in China as Ambassador and he's a natural skeptic of the States.

One thing's in our favour. We don't want too much from the States and we're willing to pay for stuff like military equipment that we do want...we haven't ever asked them for any military aid and I doubt we ever will.

 

[deltexas]

Good for jaishanker..if only we had a diplomat like him. Unfortunately he will be met by a third grade accountant..the sort you can find in a Mumbai back street..and a PM who wouldn't look out of place in a car show room..beyond a joke..Good on the indians..they have protected their nation..we are lead by traitors and beghairats

I dont mean any ill will for any nation but this is the truth. The Pak nation has absolutely been betrayed and led down a rabbit hole by these establishment guys over the past few decades. A lot of the pak posters ire here should be at their own establishment vs Ind leaders. Ind leaders are doing whats best for Ind. But thats not the case sadly with the Pak establishment rulers.

 

[deltexas]

Here is another hint for you: India does occasionally play Pakistan in multi-nation tournaments. You either play all matches against Pakistan or boycott them entirely. This selective approach is pure hypocrisy, but unfortunately, people blinded by 'Modiabind' fail to see it.

So you should ask PCB to go ahead and host CT without Ind. SL is ready with their suitcases at the airport to play anywhere LOL.. Yeah for pappubhakts and topibhakts like you , maybe it id difficult to comprehend I dont know

 

[deltexas]

Na!, everyone, including USA knows that India is firmly placed in the USA camp.

Being friends with a country is totally different than being obedient servants or else they will be bombed back to the stone age .

 

[Rajdeep]

My point is simple. India has upper hand in cricket and they will try to not give any favours to Pakistan. I am sure PCB would have done the same had they been in similar situation. Pakistani PM still calls out India openly in UN when they are the instigators of terrorism in the state of Kashmir. In this situation, expecting favours from BCCI is living in fools world.

However, the ball is entirely on PCBs court. Why can't they take a strict stance and clealy inform ICC that either CT will entirely be played in Pakistan or else following things will happen:

1. Pakistan will not participate in upcoming CT. This will mean ICC can't earn from marque Indo-Pak match.

2. Pakistan will not travel to India for any future ICC events.

3. Pakistan will not play any cricket with India in ICC/ACC events until and unless BCCI agrees to play bilateral.

These are the things in PCBs hand. So rather than blaming India and arguing whether they should or should not travel, PCB must take a strong stance for once. If they do, things may go bad for them also but atleast it will be worth trying.

For posters here blaming India, invest the same energy asking your cricket board to take this stance. Many Indians also believe spineless PCB should take a stance now.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Na!, everyone, including USA knows that India is firmly placed in the USA camp.

And you know this, how?