India's foreign minister S Jaishankar to visit Pakistan to attend SCO summit (2024)

[deltexas]

You shouldn’t make comments when you have no clue about other countries politics. Trudeau beefing with India so he can gain support of Jagmeet Singh for a coalition. Dumbest thing I’ve heard all dat. Lmao

Yeah that's because you need to know the reality as well.. not just read one line news headlines and make assumptions. Read up Trudeau liberal party struggles and minority government. So yeah lmao if you don't learn the details

 

[deltexas]

You shouldn’t make comments when you have no clue about other countries politics. Trudeau beefing with India so he can gain support of Jagmeet Singh for a coalition. Dumbest thing I’ve heard all dat. Lmao

Yeah if you dont know , read up before posting..

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/18/justin-trudeau-revolt-canada-00184391

 

[arunp]

Let's say 2-3 years...maybe even more of I'm being honest. Even if there is wild success in the talks i.e. solidify LOC as the international border, open up trade, convict a couple of the most open terrorists, there's nothing to be gained by India for 2-3 years. We certainly won't be able to trust them enough to reduce military presence on the western border and their economy is too weak right now to be of any major benefit as a market.

Longer term though, it removes a major irritant if we can get to a US-Mexico type relationship or China-Phillipines type relationship. Not friendly by any means and definitely tight borders but open trade and no hostilities.

I like you buddy. But either I am too cynical or you are too naive . IMO there is a reason, there have been major attacks on India anytime there is a chance of rapprochement(Bus ride, 2007 Kashmir agreement, Modi visiting Nawaz Sharif). IMO for a US-Mexico, China-Phillipines relationship, there has to be a significant power(millitary, economic and geopolitic) differential between the two countries. It is not the case yet with India-Pak and the way Indian babudom is moving, I do not see it increasing in near future.

 

[arunp]

I like to think common sense will prevail. The generation with specific memories of partition is dead and gone. Any officers on either side who actually fought in an India Pakistan war - 1971 have retired in the 50+ years that have passed since then. Kargil was very limited conflict. Asim Munir himself started military service in 1986 long after any large scale war and seems to have been on the other side to adventurers like Faiz Hameed who went and partied with the Taliban weeks after the fall of Kabul. A more pragmatic establishment may be in control.

Where you're not asking for armed conflict, I'm also not asking for Sharif and Modi to fall into each others arms and start a bromance. It's only question of degree at this point. Can both sides start "trust but verify" simple measures on the long road to peaceful co-existence which may take a decade or so?

I think you are confusing between the institution and the personel. It is the institution which is in control. Any rational member of defense forces would want to stoke the fire to ensure the funding.

 

[Red-Indian]

I think you are confusing between the institution and the personel. It is the institution which is in control. Any rational member of /defense forces would want to stoke the fire to ensure the funding.

Well yes. I'm not naive as I seem. It's a huge adjustment for the Pakistani establishment to not see the level of hostility with India as a determinant of their budget and influence.

But given the current situation where the Sharifs are literal puppets of the military and Munir and Nawaz is being allowed to shoot his mouth off this way seems to indicate to me that the institution is coming around to the view that they don't need this crutch to maintain a tight grip on the Pakistani state. They're entrenched very deep and can afford to allow some trade and beginnings of detente.

 

[cricketjoshila]

lol,

There is no conclusive evidence to suggest that the Pakistani establishment was involved in the 26/11 attacks.

The other incidents referenced were military operations against the Indian military.

This thread exemplifies why Hindutva rhetoric finds an audience in India, as there are many who are receptive to it.

Hindutva, as an ideology, is problematic because it is rooted in the notion of Hindu religious supremacy, which is something that most atheists would oppose, unless, of course, they align with the ideology of Hindutva.


Even if the Modi government sought to pursue dialogue and adopt a more inclusive approach towards Muslim minorities, many of its Hindutva supporters would likely turn against it. Hindutva ideology, which holds significant influence in India, prioritizes dominance and could lead to extreme measures if they feel their supremacy is challenged.

In Pakistan, the military has historically relied on the narrative of external threats, but this approach is becoming less effective. Meanwhile, in India, the government often promotes an ‘anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim’ narrative, which finds a wide audience, particularly among those still seeking retribution for the rule of Muslim emperors centuries ago.

So next time put a disclaimer as to which mask you had on when you typed it up.

Disclaimer: absolutely no interest in debating you over whether you are closet Hindutva pretending atheist.

Why are 26/11 plannners roaming around freely in Pakistan?

Exactly. Never trust pakistani establishment. They willl talk peace and try to find an opportunity to attack.

Hindutva has nothing to do with Pakistan. Pakistan has broken every treaty on peace long before Modi came to power. No matter who is in power in India, Pakistan will continue to be a hostile state.

Modi tried dialogue once, got Pathankot. He isn't going to try again. He won't repeat the mistakes of Vajpayee.

There is no benefit of risking political capital and lives of Indians. Any dialogue with pakistan is futile.

Right now the government has a simple policy. Door is closed on Pakistan. Retaliate if provoked. Else keep the door shut. Has worked fine.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well yes. I'm not naive as I seem. It's a huge adjustment for the Pakistani establishment to not see the level of hostility with India as a determinant of their budget and influence.

But given the current situation where the Sharifs are literal puppets of the military and Munir and Nawaz is being allowed to shoot his mouth off this way seems to indicate to me that the institution is coming around to the view that they don't need this crutch to maintain a tight grip on the Pakistani state. They're entrenched very deep and can afford to allow some trade and beginnings of detente.

Pakistan didn't think that this hostility will last so long.

They thought that the usual suspects will force the government to the talk table.

Hasn't worked. Indian deployment on the LoC and IB means Pakistan has to mirror that deployment. A huge cash outflow for an economy is turmoil.

Any peace process will mean reduction in deployment. Reduction in Indian diplomatic efforts in forums world wide.

Countries that have leverage over India have refused to intervene on behalf of Pakistan. The ones who tried have been rebuffed.

This new natak is exactly for people like you. Easily fall in the trap.

I have spent enough time on PP to realise that

1: Pakistanis support the separation of J and K from India. For them the terrorists are freedom fighters. This is majority.

2. There is ingrained hatred for Hindus among a large number of posters on PP. They think they have the right to question other's faith. Insult it. Semi retirement of MiG and Saj has just brought it in the open. There is a large vocal support for this.

Establishment just represent that.

Only two Indian leaders Understood this. IG and now Modi.

 

[Red-Indian]

Pakistan didn't think that this hostility will last so long.

They thought that the usual suspects will force the government to the talk table.

Hasn't worked. Indian deployment on the LoC and IB means Pakistan has to mirror that deployment. A huge cash outflow for an economy is turmoil.

Any peace process will mean reduction in deployment. Reduction in Indian diplomatic efforts in forums world wide.

Countries that have leverage over India have refused to intervene on behalf of Pakistan. The ones who tried have been rebuffed.

This new natak is exactly for people like you. Easily fall in the trap.

I have spent enough time on PP to realise that

1: Pakistanis support the separation of J and K from India. For them the terrorists are freedom fighters. This is majority.

2. There is ingrained hatred for Hindus among a large number of posters on PP. They think they have the right to question other's faith. Insult it. Semi retirement of MiG and Saj has just brought it in the open. There is a large vocal support for this.

Establishment just represent that.

Only two Indian leaders Understood this. IG and now Modi.

That's one interpretation. I understand your viewpoint. Just don't agree with it.

 

[HalBass9]

Why are 26/11 plannners roaming around freely in Pakistan?

Exactly. Never trust pakistani establishment. They willl talk peace and try to find an opportunity to attack.

Hindutva has nothing to do with Pakistan. Pakistan has broken every treaty on peace long before Modi came to power. No matter who is in power in India, Pakistan will continue to be a hostile state.

Modi tried dialogue once, got Pathankot. He isn't going to try again. He won't repeat the mistakes of Vajpayee.

There is no benefit of risking political capital and lives of Indians. Any dialogue with pakistan is futile.

Right now the government has a simple policy. Door is closed on Pakistan. Retaliate if provoked. Else keep the door shut. Has worked fine.

The current Indian approach appears short-sighted and unsustainable. It seems to be driven primarily by domestic political considerations, aiming to garner political capital rather than addressing the core issues at hand.

Neither Pakistan nor India is likely to hand over individuals they claim to be terrorists, and this longstanding impasse continues to undermine genuine progress.

Prime Minister Modi has shown little interest in pursuing dialogue, as doing so would likely challenge the narrative of India as a Hindutva state, which is central to his political positioning.

The responsibility for security in Indian-administered Kashmir rests solely with Indian officials, not with Pakistan. India has not demonstrated effective measures in addressing what it refers to as the terrorist network within Pakistan, apart from actions that have primarily targeted Sikh individuals.

Furthermore, your emphasis on Hindutva ideology reinforces the point that no politician is likely to risk their career by curbing anti-Muslim or anti-Pakistan rhetoric. This divisive discourse continues to find a significant audience in India, providing political advantages to those who perpetuate it.

 

[HalBass9]

Pakistan didn't think that this hostility will last so long.

They thought that the usual suspects will force the government to the talk table.

Hasn't worked. Indian deployment on the LoC and IB means Pakistan has to mirror that deployment. A huge cash outflow for an economy is turmoil.

Any peace process will mean reduction in deployment. Reduction in Indian diplomatic efforts in forums world wide.

Countries that have leverage over India have refused to intervene on behalf of Pakistan. The ones who tried have been rebuffed.

This new natak is exactly for people like you. Easily fall in the trap.

I have spent enough time on PP to realise that

1: Pakistanis support the separation of J and K from India. For them the terrorists are freedom fighters. This is majority.

2. There is ingrained hatred for Hindus among a large number of posters on PP. They think they have the right to question other's faith. Insult it. Semi retirement of MiG and Saj has just brought it in the open. There is a large vocal support for this.

Establishment just represent that.

Only two Indian leaders Understood this. IG and now Modi.

Oh, I see what’s going on here. You’ve got this deep, ancestral grudge against anyone whose ancestors dared to convert to Islam in the subcontinent. Because obviously, holding onto centuries-old resentment is such a productive way to spend your time, right? You do realize that no one alive today had anything to do with that, right?

And then there’s Hindutva, the ideology you’re so proud of, built on good ol’ religious supremacy and hate. But of course, Muslims are the ones who supposedly hate Hindus, right? Sure, that checks out.

Muslims on this forum don’t hate Hindus—they hate Hindutva extremists. You know, the same way anyone with common sense hates groups like the EDL. And let’s not forget, Hindutva supporters have openly backed them. Great company you’re keeping there.

Your claim is so ridiculous, it’s like you think everyone here is too stupid to see through it, unless, of course, they already subscribe to your bigoted religious supremacy.

So, please, spare us the act of lumping all Hindus together to justify your warped views. We’re all too busy laughing to fall for that one.

 

[rpant_gabba]

<snip>

You are absolutely right. Becos, paksitan has had such cordial relationship before 2014.

Let me list:

Jinnah sending non state actors to JK
Operation Grandslam, Gibraltar
1971 war
Sponsoring Khalistan in the 80's
JK terrorism in the 90's
Kargil

Until, Modi, PPers had nothing but love for India and Indians

Yup. All of India pak problem is from hindutva

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's one interpretation. I understand your viewpoint. Just don't agree with it.

You agree with Indians being killed for a useless peace process drama? Because that's what happens.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Oh, I see what’s going on here. You’ve got this deep, ancestral grudge against anyone whose ancestors dared to convert to Islam in the subcontinent. Because obviously, holding onto centuries-old resentment is such a productive way to spend your time, right? You do realize that no one alive today had anything to do with that, right?

And then there’s Hindutva, the ideology you’re so proud of, built on good ol’ religious supremacy and hate. But of course, Muslims are the ones who supposedly hate Hindus, right? Sure, that checks out.

Muslims on this forum don’t hate Hindus—they hate Hindutva extremists. You know, the same way anyone with common sense hates groups like the EDL. And let’s not forget, Hindutva supporters have openly backed them. Great company you’re keeping there.

Your claim is so ridiculous, it’s like you think everyone here is too stupid to see through it, unless, of course, they already subscribe to your bigoted religious supremacy.

So, please, spare us the act of lumping all Hindus together to justify your warped views. We’re all too busy laughing to fall for that one.

What ancestral what?

This is about India and Pakistan.

This drama of oh we are against Hindutva not hindus etc etc isn't going to work. You guys try the same trick with Jews. Doesn't work.

What ridiculous? Its evident that when tight control MIG and SAJ had on this forum disappeared out came the hidden hate towards Hindus and their religion.

You supported the claim its a right of Muslims to question the faith of the Hindus. Didn't you?

Hindus and Indians don't need any support from you. A Pakistani Muslim. We know your truth.

 

[HalBass9]

What ancestral what?

This is about India and Pakistan.

This drama of oh we are against Hindutva not hindus etc etc isn't going to work. You guys try the same trick with Jews. Doesn't work.

What ridiculous? Its evident that when tight control MIG and SAJ had on this forum disappeared out came the hidden hate towards Hindus and their religion.

You supported the claim its a right of Muslims to question the faith of the Hindus. Didn't you?

Hindus and Indians don't need any support from you. A Pakistani Muslim. We know your truth.

Hindutva not Hindus.

You aren’t Jewish. Jews, Muslims and Christian have lived on that land for centuries until Polish Zio boys arrived.

The fact you had dragged Jews in it and ignored every other point regarding EDL shows that you and rest of your Hindutva compadre have nothing to support your claim.

Everyone unless they are Hindutva knows who is trying to fool who.

Stop dropping names, you are just upset about being called out on your support for bigoted religious supremacy.

 

[Red-Indian]

Oh, I see what’s going on here. You’ve got this deep, ancestral grudge against anyone whose ancestors dared to convert to Islam in the subcontinent. Because obviously, holding onto centuries-old resentment is such a productive way to spend your time, right? You do realize that no one alive today had anything to do with that, right?

And then there’s Hindutva, the ideology you’re so proud of, built on good ol’ religious supremacy and hate. But of course, Muslims are the ones who supposedly hate Hindus, right? Sure, that checks out.

Muslims on this forum don’t hate Hindus—they hate Hindutva extremists. You know, the same way anyone with common sense hates groups like the EDL. And let’s not forget, Hindutva supporters have openly backed them. Great company you’re keeping there.

Your claim is so ridiculous, it’s like you think everyone here is too stupid to see through it, unless, of course, they already subscribe to your bigoted religious supremacy.

So, please, spare us the act of lumping all Hindus together to justify your warped views. We’re all too busy laughing to fall for that one.

You're a weird guy to be honest. It's tough for me to understand how guys like you and @cricketjoshila live with so much hate in your psyches.

The Hindutva you have built up so much as a hate object in your mind is nothing but a petty nationalistic movement that exists in virtually every country in the world which in the big picture is a pretty toothless comedy outfit.

The Islamist anti-Hindu Muslim image he has built up in his mind is a niche (I'll admit pretty active) group he needs to justify his own hate.

You're like mirror images of each other from my perspective.

 

[deltexas]

The current Indian approach appears short-sighted and unsustainable. It seems to be driven primarily by domestic political considerations, aiming to garner political capital rather than addressing the core issues at hand.

Neither Pakistan nor India is likely to hand over individuals they claim to be terrorists, and this longstanding impasse continues to undermine genuine progress.

Prime Minister Modi has shown little interest in pursuing dialogue, as doing so would likely challenge the narrative of India as a Hindutva state, which is central to his political positioning.

The responsibility for security in Indian-administered Kashmir rests solely with Indian officials, not with Pakistan. India has not demonstrated effective measures in addressing what it refers to as the terrorist network within Pakistan, apart from actions that have primarily targeted Sikh individuals.

Furthermore, your emphasis on Hindutva ideology reinforces the point that no politician is likely to risk their career by curbing anti-Muslim or anti-Pakistan rhetoric. This divisive discourse continues to find a significant audience in India, providing political advantages to those who perpetuate it.

All major terrorists are given safe haven in Pak. Long history of this. OBL was found in the safest area in Pak - oh the irony. Actions speak louder than words. And Pak actions have screamed to the world that they are a very terrorist friendly state next only to Afg

 

[cricketjoshila]

The current Indian approach appears short-sighted and unsustainable. It seems to be driven primarily by domestic political considerations, aiming to garner political capital rather than addressing the core issues at hand.

Neither Pakistan nor India is likely to hand over individuals they claim to be terrorists, and this longstanding impasse continues to undermine genuine progress.

Prime Minister Modi has shown little interest in pursuing dialogue, as doing so would likely challenge the narrative of India as a Hindutva state, which is central to his political positioning.

The responsibility for security in Indian-administered Kashmir rests solely with Indian officials, not with Pakistan. India has not demonstrated effective measures in addressing what it refers to as the terrorist network within Pakistan, apart from actions that have primarily targeted Sikh individuals.

Furthermore, your emphasis on Hindutva ideology reinforces the point that no politician is likely to risk their career by curbing anti-Muslim or anti-Pakistan rhetoric. This divisive discourse continues to find a significant audience in India, providing political advantages to those who perpetuate it.

Writing Hindutva 10 times doesn't give more credibility to your opinion.

India has little to gain from any peace process and risks are high.

UN has banned Pakistanis for terrorist activities and they continue to roam freely.

Modi tried dialogue, Pakistan responded with a terrorist attack. His responsibility is security of Indians and he is doing that.

Pakistan had initiated 4 wars with India all before Modi. Pakistanis did the 26/11 attacks before Modi.

As i said, you keep repeating the same Hindutva Hindutva while hiding the rabid hatred against Hindus that's even visible on this forum.

This drama of targetting Hindus by hiding behind the narrative of targetting Hindutva is a old policy that was used to target Jews in the name of targetting Zionists. Didn't work then, won't work now.

Coming to your opinion that this policy of India against Pakistan isnt sustainable. Well why don't you give reasons for it.

 

[HalBass9]

You're a weird guy to be honest. It's tough for me to understand how guys like you and @cricketjoshila live with so much hate in your psyches.

The Hindutva you have built up so much as a hate object in your mind is nothing but a petty nationalistic movement that exists in virtually every country in the world which in the big picture is a pretty toothless comedy outfit.

The Islamist anti-Hindu Muslim image he has built up in his mind is a niche (I'll admit pretty active) group he needs to justify his own hate.

You're like mirror images of each other from my perspective.

Stop trying to minimize the hate filled Hindutva ideology, it is the majority in India that has elected multiple time a known Hindutva bigot.

So is EDL, Kkk, and other nationalistic ideology and they are degraded as such and when they appear on this forum then they’ll be called on that too just as Hindutva.

it’s not a mirror image as I have no issue with anyone who practice their religion but I will voice my opinion against religious supremacist be it Hindu, Muslim, Zio, Nazi or Kkk.

No need to pretend to be confused about it.

The person you are trying to compare me with hates Muslim and is very careful in verbalizing it, sophisticated.

Hint, Muslims and Jews argument.

 

[Red-Indian]

Stop trying to minimize the hate filled Hindutva ideology, it is the majority in India that has elected multiple time a known Hindutva bigot.

So is EDL, Kkk, and other nationalistic ideology and they are degraded as such and when they appear on this forum then they’ll be called on that too just as Hindutva.

it’s not a mirror image as I have no issue with anyone who practice their religion but I will voice my opinion against religious supremacist be it Hindu, Muslim, Zio, Nazi or Kkk.

No need to pretend to be confused about it.

The person you are trying to compare me with hates Muslim and is very careful in verbalizing it, sophisticated.

Hint, Muslims and Jews argument.

Oh I'm not confused in the least. I know exactly what the likes of Joshila and you are. I've seen too many of you - smart guys who try to find justifications and reasonings for the deep-rooted, inveterate hate you have against a group.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You're a weird guy to be honest. It's tough for me to understand how guys like you and @cricketjoshila live with so much hate in your psyches.

The Hindutva you have built up so much as a hate object in your mind is nothing but a petty nationalistic movement that exists in virtually every country in the world which in the big picture is a pretty toothless comedy outfit.

The Islamist anti-Hindu Muslim image he has built up in his mind is a niche (I'll admit pretty active) group he needs to justify his own hate.

You're like mirror images of each other from my perspective.

I have no hate for Muslims. I live in a state with 30 per cent Muslims. Most of them have no issues with Hindus.

The ones who have issues with Hindus are politically backed up. I have said this many times here.

Hindu Muslim friction in India is more of a political problem than religious problem.

Pakistan is a different issue altogether.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hindutva not Hindus.

You aren’t Jewish. Jews, Muslims and Christian have lived on that land for centuries until Polish Zio boys arrived.

The fact you had dragged Jews in it and ignored every other point regarding EDL shows that you and rest of your Hindutva compadre have nothing to support your claim.

Everyone unless they are Hindutva knows who is trying to fool who.

Stop dropping names, you are just upset about being called out on your support for bigoted religious supremacy.

As is said, this drama aint working. Didn't work with Jews not working with Hindus either.

Again the same stupid logic of trying to create sub groups amongst Jews. Isn't working. Is it?

Every hindu who isn't a fool knows these tactics of trying to create a facade and attacking Hindus. Won't work.

I don't need to drop any names. Your bigoted mentality and those like you who think it's their right to question the faith of others have been exposed. You guys think people of other faiths owe you an explanation regarding their beliefs.

.... May work is Pakistan.Or some Islamic countries. Not elsewhere.

No one of any faith owes any explanation to Muslims.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

As is said, this drama aint working. Didn't work with Jews not working with Hindus either.

Again the same stupid logic of trying to create sub groups amongst Jews. Isn't working. Is it?

Every hindu who isn't a fool knows these tactics of trying to create a facade and attacking Hindus. Won't work.

I don't need to drop any names. Your bigoted mentality and those like you who think it's their right to question the faith of others have been exposed. You guys think people of other faiths owe you an explanation regarding their beliefs.

.... May work is Pakistan.Or some Islamic countries. Not elsewhere.

No one of any faith owes any explanation to Muslims.

once again you are calling out muslim countries and muslims. Yet vast illegal immigrants are running from shining India to muslim countries.

 

[deltexas]

once again you are calling out muslim countries and muslims. Yet vast illegal immigrants are running from shining India to muslim countries.

Correction. Not illegal , but these are legal immigrants. The illegals are the guys coming in from Ind's western and eastern borders.

 

[cricketjoshila]

once again you are calling out muslim countries and muslims. Yet vast illegal immigrants are running from shining India to muslim countries.

You need to read again. Some Islamic countries.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I have no hate for Muslims. I live in a state with 30 per cent Muslims. Most of them have no issues with Hindus.

The ones who have issues with Hindus are politically backed up. I have said this many times here.

Hindu Muslim friction in India is more of a political problem than religious problem.

Pakistan is a different issue altogether.

Is this a prank?

 

[arunp]

Well yes. I'm not naive as I seem. It's a huge adjustment for the Pakistani establishment to not see the level of hostility with India as a determinant of their budget and influence.

But given the current situation where the Sharifs are literal puppets of the military and Munir and Nawaz is being allowed to shoot his mouth off this way seems to indicate to me that the institution is coming around to the view that they don't need this crutch to maintain a tight grip on the Pakistani state. They're entrenched very deep and can afford to allow some trade and beginnings of detente.

These quotes are not indifferent from the ones that IK made when he was in power, the quotes that Musharraf made when he was in power, Benazir made when she was in power and Nawaz made when he was in the power in the past. IMO trade is no deterrence to terror attacks or war.

I am trying to refrain from being crude, but I agree with what @cricketjoshila said. Talk is cheap IMO and I have stopped giving credence to any comments from Pak establishment(military or political)

This new natak is exactly for people like you. Easily fall in the trap.

 

[arunp]

You're a weird guy to be honest. It's tough for me to understand how guys like you and @cricketjoshila live with so much hate in your psyches.

The Hindutva you have built up so much as a hate object in your mind is nothing but a petty nationalistic movement that exists in virtually every country in the world which in the big picture is a pretty toothless comedy outfit.

The Islamist anti-Hindu Muslim image he has built up in his mind is a niche (I'll admit pretty active) group he needs to justify his own hate.

You're like mirror images of each other from my perspective.

To be fair, I have seen no post from @cricketjoshila that justifies your comment.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

To be fair, I have seen no post from @cricketjoshila that justifies your comment.

Spend some more time in this forum.

 

[arunp]

Spend some more time in this forum.

Happy to see the posts that you quote. But I have interacted in a few threads with him, (few when we have disagreed). I have not seen anything so far that justifies the comment. I think @Red-Indian is setting a false equivalence.

 

[rpant_gabba]

The current Indian approach appears short-sighted and unsustainable.

Why? What would be the detriment to india in the long term by ignoring pakistan?

Prime Minister Modi has shown little interest in pursuing dialogue,

Dialogue in the past has been detrimental to India and beneficial to paksitan. Why should India pursue a dialogue with pakistan

The responsibility for security in Indian-administered Kashmir rests solely with Indian officials, not with Pakistan. I

India has identified that putting paksitan ties on ice seems to help India. Paksitan has to take necessary action
to convince India otherwise.

what actions would you recommend pakistan take instead of waiting on India?

 

[rpant_gabba]

Lets see what he can come up with.

Deadlyvenom also keeps talking about how india isolated by its bankrupt neighbors

 

[Vikram1989]

Why? What would be the detriment to india in the long term by ignoring pakistan?

Dialogue in the past has been detrimental to India and beneficial to paksitan. Why should India pursue a dialogue with pakistan

India has identified that putting paksitan ties on ice seems to help India. Paksitan has to take necessary action
to convince India otherwise.

what actions would you recommend pakistan take instead of waiting on India?

Pak lost all its credibility in financial area to think about economic profitability for us in the long term.A minuscule loss for us after a completion isolation in ties is an eye opener for any extreme liberal with some sense of Market.There are no terror attacks in india in past decades .this is the first time with out any security issues after 92 .So even for congress ,it's quite tough to open up the ties and another security lapse like good old times will put them on pyre.So the frozen ties will be the norm in future. Another 10 years of economic growth will put us firmly in big boys league and no one will care what's left on our West frontier.

 

[rpant_gabba]

That's one interpretation. I understand your viewpoint. Just don't agree with it.

So give the outcome of the CT2025, whats your take on the so called back channel discussions?

the virus might have something to add

 

[Red-Indian]

So give the outcome of the CT2025, whats your take on the so called back channel discussions?

the virus might have something to add

Well looks like I was obviously mistaken. I still feel there was something in the wind but maybe the uptick in violence in Kashmir led to the Indian thinktank changing it's mind on showing any signs on rapprochement.

Or maybe I was totally wrong and there's no intent on the India side to allow even minor confidence building measures - like considering membership in BRICS or a participation in the Champions Trophy.

 

[arunp]

Well looks like I was obviously mistaken. I still feel there was something in the wind but maybe the uptick in violence in Kashmir led to the Indian thinktank changing it's mind on showing any signs on rapprochement.

Or maybe I was totally wrong and there's no intent on the India side to allow even minor confidence building measures - like considering membership in BRICS or a participation in the Champions Trophy.

What does India gain by CBM with Pak ? Either than speculations and superficial homilies, nobody is able to explain it.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Well looks like I was obviously mistaken. I still feel there was something in the wind but maybe the uptick in violence in Kashmir led to the Indian thinktank changing it's mind on showing any signs on rapprochement.

Or maybe I was totally wrong and there's no intent on the India side to allow even minor confidence building measures - like considering membership in BRICS or a participation in the Champions Trophy.

Bit of a cognitive dissonance IMO. Based on what you have said about your background, you would have made a different call if it was related your profession with same information available to you.

That is the power of the Gandhi-Nehru virus on Indians. it makes them suspend their brain function when it comes to dealing with pakistan. Paksitan is fully ware iof this and they exploit at every opportunity.

 

[guard]

Hindutva not Hindus.

You aren’t Jewish. Jews, Muslims and Christian have lived on that land for centuries until Polish Zio boys arrived.

The fact you had dragged Jews in it and ignored every other point regarding EDL shows that you and rest of your Hindutva compadre have nothing to support your claim.

Everyone unless they are Hindutva knows who is trying to fool who.

Stop dropping names, you are just upset about being called out on your support for bigoted religious supremacy.

The irony is he accuses others of the very thing he reeks off constantly, the stench is overwhelming with this one

 

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S Jaishankar slams Pakistan over terrorism: Cancer now consuming its body politic​

External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on Saturday delivered a sharp rebuke of Pakistan, saying that the country is an "exception in our neighbourhood" and stressed that its continued support to terrorism is a "cancer now consuming its own body politic".

Speaking at the Nani Palkhivala Memorial Lecture in Mumbai, Jaishankar stressed that Pakistan’s actions not only harm its neighbours but destabilise the entire subcontinent. "Pakistan is an exception in our neighbourhood, in view of its support to cross-border terrorism. That cancer is now consuming its own body politic. The entire subcontinent has a shared interest in Pakistan abjuring that approach," Jaishankar said.

"The entire Subcontinent has a shared interest in Pakistan abjuring that approach," he noted, underscoring the critical importance of a cooperative and peaceful South Asia.

"India's challenge has been to rebuild a neighbourhood in the aftermath of the partition. It is now doing so through a generous and non-reciprocal approach, funding and supporting energy, rail and road connectivity, expanding trade and investment and intensifying exchanges and contacts," the External Affairs Minister said.

Talking about the examples of recent history, Jaishankar said, "In times of crisis, be it pandemic or the economic meltdown, India has actually served as an insurance for its smaller neighbours. Sri Lanka discovered that in 2023, when India put together a package of more than USD 4 billion, even while the rest of the world didn't".

"It is also a reality that political developments may throw up complex situations as we are currently witnessing in Bangladesh. The very purpose of closer cooperation and contacts is actually to address such contingencies at the end of the day. It is the mutuality of interest that should be counted upon to prevail," he added.

Turning to Myanmar and Afghanistan, Jaishankar highlighted India’s longstanding people-to-people ties with both nations. He acknowledged the complexities of the situations in these countries and emphasised that regional stability is of paramount importance.

"We must be mindful that those more proximate have stakes which are quite different from others far away," he stated, highlighting India’s nuanced approach to its neighbourhood diplomacy.

S Jaishankar slams Pakistan over terrorism: Cancer now consuming its body politic

During his address at the Nani Palkhivala Memorial Lecture in Mumbai, S Jaishankar stressed that Pakistan’s actions not only harm its neighbours but destabilise the entire subcontinent.

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Indian FM Jaishankar says ‘no talks’ held on trade with Pakistan​

Indian Foreign Minister Dr Subrahmanyam Jaishankar on Wednesday said that there had been no talks on trade between his country and Pakistan, nor had there been any proposals to resume the flow of commerce.

Delhi’s top diplomat made the remarks while fielding questions from reporters at the Indian embassy in Washington, where he had travelled to attend the inauguration of US President Donald Trump on Monday.

In response to a question about trade with Pakistan, Jaishankar said: “After last year, there have been no talks with Pakistan about trade, nor has any initiative come forward from their side.”

He further said about the situation between the neighbours: “We never stopped trade. Any steps taken to stop trade with India were taken from their side in 2019. Our concern from the beginning was that they never granted us MFN (Most Favoured Nation) status, even though we granted it to them.”

Pakistan, under the government of then-prime minister Imran Khan, had downgraded diplomatic relations with New Delhi and suspended all bilateral trade in August 2019, when India revoked occupied Kashmir’s special status by repealing Article 370 of its constitution.

Last August, the Foreign Office (FO) had said trade with India was not on the cards, citing the unchanged situation in Indian-held Kashmir since the 2019 events that led to the initial suspension.

“The situation remains intact, and at this point, there are no bilateral talks between the two countries with respect to bilateral trade between Pakistan and India,” then-FO spokesperson Mumtaz Zahra Baloch had said while responding to a question regarding India’s lack of reciprocation to Pakistan’s overtures for restoring trade relations.

In March 2024, Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar had said that the relevant stakeholders would “seriously examine” the trade situation with India as he highlighted the concerns of the business community.

Leaders of the PML-N government have on multiple occasions, since coming to office last year, expressed the administration’s willingness to reevaluate trade relations with India

In March 2021, the Economic Coordination Committee had announced it would allow the private sector to import 0.5 million tonnes of white sugar from India and cotton via the Wagah border. However, the decision was reversed within days following severe criticism from the opposition.

Source: DAWN