"Sachin is better than Bradman" : Hanif Mohammad

[Mamoon]

We all have our indulgences, but like I said, its definitely time to give it a rest because it serves no purpose. Its okay if there is an active Tendulkar thread where you can repeat what you have been saying on daily basis, but bumping three your old threads? for what?

You know what you are doing and so do I. You don't love bumping old threads; you love stirring up a hornet's nest.

You are very selective in bumping old threads simply because you target a specific segment of this forum and you are well aware of their pressure points. Good job, but don't overdo it which you have already.

 

[Bilal7]

Would Tendulker have averaged 99 in Bradman's era? Nope. Would Bradman have averaged 54 across Tendulker's eras? Yes.

It really isn't fair to compare two guys so far apart in cricketing history. Compare Sachin with Dravid, Lara, Miandad and ABD instead.

 

[Mamoon]

Please don't get me wrong .... I respect Hanif Mohammad very very much. I grew up reading "The Cricketer" magazine which he was "Chief Editor" of.



Even though I never saw him Hanif bat, I am one of his biggest fans... becuase Hanif and Fazal put Pakistan on cricket map...... so with all due respect to Hanif Mohammad.... I would love to know in which match or matches Hanif Mohammad saw Bradman batting? Can any poster help me here?

I ask this question only from the "history lesson" (or chronological) standpoint.... not that I am questioning his statement.

Hanif was born on December 21, 1934. Bradman retired in 1948 at the age of 40 .... when Hanif was 14 years old. Bradman never test matches played in India. So I doubt Hanif went to Australia or England to watch him play in the test there...before the age of 14.

So the only possibility left is ..... Hanif may have seen Bradman watch play in some exhibition or charity match after he retired. So I would like to know which matches Hanif saw Bradman bat. Any PPer?


One more time..... I am NOT questioning accuracy of Hanif's statement. All I need to know is...which matches Hanif could have seen Bradman bat?

P.s. I also respect his opinion about Sachin..... very very much!

3 years and no one has responded to this post. Sachin worshippers, where art thou?

 

[Hitman]

As for people who hate me for bumping old threads, am I doing anything against the rules of this forum? If so, kindly let the MODS know, and in turn they'll either let me know or ban me. It's that simple!!!

 

[Mamoon]

No one is hating you for it, and congratulations on doing something mods can't do anything about, but at least have the capacity to acknowledge what you are trying to do and what your purpose is, which can be seen from the moon.

Save us the 'I love bumping old threads'.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Lame.

 

[Hitman]

No one is hating you for it, and congratulations on doing something mods can't do anything about, but at least have the capacity to acknowledge what you are trying to do and what your purpose is, which can be seen from the moon.

Save us the 'I love bumping old threads'.

I still do love bumping old threads

 

[ForeverIndian]

Meh. Hanif just wanted (probably still wants) an IPL contract.

 

[WrexEverything]

Sachin would be pretty embarassed himself if anyone said this to him.

 

[Sandeep]

Honestly, it is getting boring now, give it a rest.

I can suggest better methods to deal with that perennial boner you have for Tendulkar.

The orgasm is never ending Mamoon..

 

[ForeverIndian]

All your posts about Tendulkar are disqualified till you don't take back your statement that "Tendulkar is the Mohammed Ali of cricket". That really makes me vomiting!

The guy has 0, absolutely ZERO charisma, can't talk in front of 2 peopls, when the camera is on him he is always making akward grimaces... Even after 23 years of playing he can't captain a side....
I can go on and on...

That statement has to be taken back, a big insult for one of the sport greatest hero, Mohammed Ali!

What did i just read ?

 

[Hitman]

What did i just read ?

ZERO charisma, yet the most popular and cheered cricketer in the world )

 

[WrexEverything]

What did i just read ?

Well I do agree with that, actually. He's so well liked and respected because of his batting, and not because of his personality, which is pretty bland. He's one of the nicest cricketers around, but he doesn't have the composed wit of Dravid or firey charisma of Ganguly... he is honsetly, a pretty uncharismatic character. So, he's right, because the comparison was with Muhammad Ali, widely regarded as one of the most colorful and entertaining personalities ever.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Lara, Sachin, Ponting are all far better than Bradman. Bradman is just a hype.

Viv Richards is the greatest batsmen of all. Ponting, Lara, Sachin, Sanga, Kallis are next level. Bradman does not even qualify to be compared with these greats.

 

[world cup captain]

What did i just read ?

You just read a comment from a very stereotypical Pakistani.

 

[ForeverIndian]

ZERO charisma, yet the most popular and cheered cricketer in the world )

He also thinks that Afridi's innings at chennai against Prasad and co was better than Sachin's innings in the 4th innings , with a broken back against Wasim and saqlain.

 

[Enforcer]

Another day , Another unnecessary Bump from [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION]. Mate you you taking this too far!

 

[Hitman]

He also thinks that Afridi's innings at chennai against Prasad and co was better than Sachin's innings in the 4th innings , with a broken back against Wasim and saqlain.

) Won't wonder if he rates Afridi a better cricket than Sachin in the future.

 

[ForeverIndian]

Well I do agree with that, actually. He's so well liked and respected because of his batting, and not because of his personality, which is pretty bland. He's one of the nicest cricketers around, but he doesn't have the composed wit of Dravid or firey charisma of Ganguly... he is honsetly, a pretty uncharismatic character. So, he's right, because the comparison was with Muhammad Ali, widely regarded as one of the most colorful and entertaining personalities ever.

He is the reason that millions of kids in India are inspired to pick up a bat. Ask ANY Indian cricketer that who was their cricketing inspiration. 9 out of 10 will say Sachin. If that is not charisma , then i don't know what it.

 

[ForeverIndian]

) Won't wonder if he rates Afridi a better cricket than Sachin in the future.

Another gem by Mobashir , Sarfaraz ahmed is a better odi batsman than Dhoni . Based on 2 innings.

 

[WrexEverything]

He is the reason that millions of kids in India are inspired to pick up a bat. Ask ANY Indian cricketer that who was their cricketing inspiration. 9 out of 10 will say Sachin. If that is not charisma , then i don't know what it.

That's not charisma, sorry. Kids are inspired to bat like him.... has nothing to do with his persoanlity. They are not driven to be as witty as him, or consider him a hero for refusing to support an unjust war, or being a source of inspiration for Parkisons' patients all over the world like people aspired to with Ali.

He's a great batsman, but charisma wise, sorry, the Muhammad Ali comparison is absurd.

 

[sachintendulkar76]

Well I do agree with that, actually. He's so well liked and respected because of his batting, and not because of his personality, which is pretty bland. He's one of the nicest cricketers around, but he doesn't have the composed wit of Dravid or firey charisma of Ganguly... he is honsetly, a pretty uncharismatic character. So, he's right, because the comparison was with Muhammad Ali, widely regarded as one of the most colorful and entertaining personalities ever.

lol. Cut your crap. Fans are getting excited to see him on big screen even after retired from cricket. You are saying he has zero charisma. Sorry that was a retarded comment.

 

[Adil_94]

Sachin as a person doesnt have Charisma. Yes he is one of the GOAT but he is a bland personality he doesnt have an imposing physical presence or charisma. His batting style is genius but as a person he us very quiet and humble not really charismatic. Same for Lara too as a person he doesnt have that type of great charisma or personality just a genius with the bat. Reason why Sachin inspires so many Indians is because it is an absolute cricket mad nation and he is Indias greatest ever batsman. He is nowhere near a Muhammad Ali in charisma stakes. Sachin is worshipped like a god because of his cricket skills not his actual personality. Someone like Sidhu has more charisma than Sachin as a person not in relation to cricket.

 

[WrexEverything]

lol. Cut your crap. Fans are getting excited to see him on big screen even after retired from cricket. You are saying he has zero charisma. Sorry that was a retarded comment.

Thanks for missing the point and being an ultra sensitive fanboy

 

[WrexEverything]

Sachin as a person doesnt have Charisma. Yes he is one of the GOAT but he is a bland personality he doesnt have an imposing physical presence or charisma. His batting style is genius but as a person he us very quiet and humble not really charismatic. Same for Lara too as a person he doesnt have that type of great charisma or personality just a genius with the bat. Reason why Sachin inspires so many Indians is because it is an absolute cricket mad nation and he is Indias greatest ever batsman. He is nowhere near a Muhammad Ali in charisma stakes. Sachin is worshipped like a god because of his cricket skills not his actual personality. Someone like Sidhu has more charisma than Sachin as a person not in relation to cricket.

Yep, exactly what I was saying. Agree with everything except Sidhu. What a clown he is.

 

[Buffet]

That's not charisma, sorry. Kids are inspired to bat like him.... has nothing to do with his persoanlity. They are not driven to be as witty as him, or consider him a hero for refusing to support an unjust war, or being a source of inspiration for Parkisons' patients all over the world like people aspired to with Ali.

He's a great batsman, but charisma wise, sorry, the Muhammad Ali comparison is absurd.

Merriam-webster dictionary - Charisma a special charm or appeal that causes people to feel attracted and excited by someone.

I recall that once a train was stopped in India simply because SRT was batting. That seems like a special charm and appeal to me.

 

[Adil_94]

Yep, exactly what I was saying. Agree with everything except Sidhu. What a clown he is.

Sidhu is a clown but he does have a certain type of Charisma

 

[WrexEverything]

Merriam-webster dictionary - Charisma a special charm or appeal that causes people to feel attracted and excited by someone.

I recall that once a train was stopped in India simply because SRT was batting. That seems like a special charm and appeal to me.

Well, I'm not going by the strict dictionary definition because if you look back, that post was comparing his charisma to that of Muhammad Ali. He simply is not that charismatic as a personality.

 

[Buffet]

Well, I'm not going by the strict dictionary definition because if you look back, that post was comparing his charisma to that of Muhammad Ali. He simply is not that charismatic as a personality.

That's right. If you see him purely as person and ignore cricket stuff then his personality can't be termed as charismatic. Having said that I don't know him personally and going by what I have read.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Would Tendulker have averaged 99 in Bradman's era? Nope. Would Bradman have averaged 54 across Tendulker's eras? Yes.

It really isn't fair to compare two guys so far apart in cricketing history. Compare Sachin with Dravid, Lara, Miandad and ABD instead.

Name 10 ATG bowlers Bradman faced.Thank You.

 

[Bilal7]

Name 10 ATG bowlers Bradman faced.Thank You.

I can't. Does it change anything?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Gayle has more charisma than sachin and bradman.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Name 10 ATG bowlers Bradman faced.Thank You.

I am sure even Hanif Mohammed faced better bowlers than Bradman did in two teams era?

For me Viv Richards will always be the best batsman. If Graeme Hick was playing in Bradman era then he would have been england's greatest sporting personality ever.

 

[Bhaijaan]

There is hardly any evidence to suggest Bradman actually existed. Its just some crazy people who watched that hollywood film Bodyline and thought it was real story lolz.

 

[Stark]

Credit to Bradman for having that average. He performed.
But, Bradman played at a time when there wasnt that much scrutiny/demand/opposition/venues.

 

[Stark]

What did i just read ?

Mobashir-ism

 

[Cricfan4eva]

What did i just read ?

Let him be. The guy has been tormented since ages as India have been producing one bat after the other. Go around the forum and you'll find him putting down batsman like Sachin, MS and now Kohli. It just pains him to see India produce one ATG after other.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I can't. Does it change anything?

Name 3 different countries where Bradman played cricket.

 

[Bilal7]

Name 3 different countries where Bradman played cricket.

You fail to get my point. Only a complete fanboy would assume that Sachin would average 99 in Bradman's era but it isn't a stretch to claim that Bradman would average in the low-fifties across Sachin's eras.

 

[Bilal7]

^ No point in comparing them when they played during completely different times.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Bradman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rest.

Doesn't matter if he didn't play ATGs or didn't play in many countries.

He averages double of his peers and his peer Jack Hobbs is considered an ATG too of his era.

 

[cricket_fan27]

Would Tendulker have averaged 99 in Bradman's era? Nope. Would Bradman have averaged 54 across Tendulker's eras? Yes.

It really isn't fair to compare two guys so far apart in cricketing history. Compare Sachin with Dravid, Lara, Miandad and ABD instead.

I'm sorry but isn't your analysis of how much Tendulkar would have averaged before and Bradman would have averaged now just ...pure speculation and nothing more than your opinion ? I fail to see any sort of logic or rationale behind this .

 

[Bilal7]

I'm sorry but isn't your analysis of how much Tendulkar would have averaged before and Bradman would have averaged now just ...pure speculation and nothing more than your opinion ? I fail to see any sort of logic or rationale behind this .

My rationale is based around the fact that most ATG batsmen average in the 50-60 range and Bradman was an anomaly seeing how far ahead he was of his peers. There were good/great batsmen present back then too, if they couldn't come close, why would any modern great? It is my opinion, anything I post and that isn't stated otherwise is my humble opinion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bradman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rest.

Doesn't matter if he didn't play ATGs or didn't play in many countries.

He averages double of his peers and his peer Jack Hobbs is considered an ATG too of his era.

Did it ever cross your mind that Bradman was perhaps the only ATG of that era who would have avgd in 50s in modern era while the likes of Hobbs and co. were overrated batters who would be below avg players today because they would be facing ATG bowlers and touring 8-9 countries?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You fail to get my point. Only a complete fanboy would assume that Sachin would average 99 in Bradman's era but it isn't a stretch to claim that Bradman would average in the low-fifties across Sachin's eras.

How are you assuiming all this?You have a time machine?

 

[Bilal7]

Did it ever cross your mind that Bradman was perhaps the only ATG of that era who would have avgd in 50s in modern era while the likes of Hobbs and co. were overrated batters who would be below avg players today because they would be facing ATG bowlers and touring 8-9 countries?

How are you assuming this? You have a time-machine?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Did it ever cross your mind that Bradman was perhaps the only ATG of that era who would have avgd in 50s in modern era while the likes of Hobbs and co. were overrated batters who would be below avg players today because they would be facing ATG bowlers and touring 8-9 countries?

Doesn't matter.

That may or may not be true.

But considering his average was so freaking mindblowing, its only fair that he is given benefit of doubt.

He did what a human could possibly do in his era.

And bowlers in his era averaged in 20s too (I posted the stats somewhere in response to your post a few months back if I am not wrong).

We can do the ifs and buts but if we look at it honestly, Bradman well and truly deserves the No 1 spot based on the data we have.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

If I am not wrong [MENTION=43242]Dr_Bassim[/MENTION] did say that there were some calculations made to account for Bradman's average and all calculations FAILED.

He is a statistical marvel not just in cricket but sports in general.

He is the undisputed No 1 based on the data we have.

 

[Adil_94]

Sachin is good but i think Shehzad is more talented.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Next to Bradman, I would say Sachin.

From 1993-2011 (after finding his zone as a 21 year old), he averaged 59 in tests with 61 away (lowest average in any country was 44).

Sobers played for a decade and averaged 58 and he is considered a GOAT (rightfully so).

Sachin averaged the same over twice the period.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Sachin is good but i think Shehzad is more talented.

Sorry...I didn't see your post when I made my last post.

Now my post would look like an insecure Sachinista post.

)

 

[Adil_94]

Sorry...I didn't see your post when I made my last post.

Now my post would look like an insecure Sachinista post.

)

What makes you think im trolling. Sachin is a FTB who had benefit of playing on dead Indian roads. If Shehzad played on his home ground he would average same as Bradman. Misbah and Waqar are jealous of Shezzys talent and force him to play slow and now Misbah has had him dropped. When wil Pak Cricket fix itself

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

What makes you think im trolling. Sachin is a FTB who had benefit of playing on dead Indian roads. If Shehzad played on his home ground he would average same as Bradman. Misbah and Waqar are jealous of Shezzys talent and force him to play slow and now Misbah has had him dropped. When wil Pak Cricket fix itself

Absolutely.

Sachin comes from a country that has a great culture of batting.

But Shehzad comes from what? Nothing.

Sachin comes from a batting lineup that had ATGs and good bats.

Shehzad has no support.

Sachin has no personality.

Shehzad has.

Sachin doesn't try to save any fellow beings.

Shehzad did try to save Dilshan.

Sachin after his captaincy stint never wanted it again.

Shehzad is actively wanting captaincy. He wants to lead his team and stamp his authority which Sachin never did.

Shehzad > Sachin.

Anyone disagreeing with his is a lying, crazy, psychopathic, jealous, maniacal, anti Pakistan, anti Muslim, anti truth, anti reality, pro delusional, pro bias guy.

And I don't want to have anything to do with such people.

Today. Tomorrow. Or EVER.

 

[cricketjoshila]

My rationale is based around the fact that most ATG batsmen average in the 50-60 range and Bradman was an anomaly seeing how far ahead he was of his peers. There were good/great batsmen present back then too, if they couldn't come close, why would any modern great? It is my opinion, anything I post and that isn't stated otherwise is my humble opinion.

Let me tell you something,if you pick players based on their avgs in tests then except Sobers no post 1955 batsman will make the team.

The team would look like

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman
Hutton
Headley
Hammond
Paynter

all avg in excess of 56 in tests.How many batsman in the modern era avg more than 56 in tests?Viv/SRT/Ponting/Lara/Dravid/Gavaskar/Waugh/Border no one avgs in excess of 55.Infact as the game has modernised the peak batting avg has fallen.

Only one batsman post 1975 has avgd in excess of 55.And what is the similarity between him and the pre 1955 batsmen?Not many games outside his home like conditions.

Infact while so many English batsman avgd 50 plus in the pre 1955 era no english batsman has avgd 50 in last 50 odd years.What does this tell you?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Doesn't matter.

That may or may not be true.

But considering his average was so freaking mindblowing, its only fair that he is given benefit of doubt.

He did what a human could possibly do in his era.

And bowlers in his era averaged in 20s too (I posted the stats somewhere in response to your post a few months back if I am not wrong).

We can do the ifs and buts but if we look at it honestly, Bradman well and truly deserves the No 1 spot based on the data we have.

As i said i would be happy to discuss the bowlers who were ATG and played againist Bradman.

Bradman was an ATG no doubt would have been an ATG in the modern era but simply because he was better than his peers,which consisted mainy of 2 countries playing proper cricket,i dont believe he is the best of all times.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

As i said i would be happy to discuss the bowlers who were ATG and played againist Bradman.

Bradman was an ATG no doubt would have been an ATG in the modern era but simply because he was better than his peers,which consisted mainy of 2 countries playing proper cricket,i dont believe he is the best of all times.

That's what.

We can't compare across eras.

But if we did, its only fair to give Bradman the benefit of the doubt.

The last post you did....saying all top batsmen in his era averaged 55 is a good point.

But issue is that Bradman didn't average in 60s or even 70s, which if he did, the whole world would doubt his credentials in the modern era. In that case, he would simply be rated as an ATG bat.

But he didn't average 60s.

Or 70s.

Or 80s.

Or even 90s.

He averaged 99.94 (almost a 100).

Over a 20 year career that was interrupted by war...so it wasn't like he had a few dream years and got lucky.

So he deserves the top spot if we DO choose to compare across eras.

He is a marvel not just for cricket but sports in general.

 

[Adil_94]

Absolutely.

Sachin comes from a country that has a great culture of batting.

But Shehzad comes from what? Nothing.

Sachin comes from a batting lineup that had ATGs and good bats.

Shehzad has no support.

Sachin has no personality.

Shehzad has.

Sachin doesn't try to save any fellow beings.

Shehzad did try to save Dilshan.

Sachin after his captaincy stint never wanted it again.

Shehzad is actively wanting captaincy. He wants to lead his team and stamp his authority which Sachin never did.

Shehzad > Sachin.

Anyone disagreeing with his is a lying, crazy, psychopathic, jealous, maniacal, anti Pakistan, anti Muslim, anti truth, anti reality, pro delusional, pro bias guy.

And I don't want to have anything to do with such people.

Today. Tomorrow. Or EVER.

Exactly plus Sachin had BCCI scaring and influencing umpires. Look at Mohali how BCCI manipulated DRS for him and forced Pakistan players to drop him. Also Sachin was a selfish player who only played for records and his owm average he isnt a matchwinner like Shezzy who is a selfless warrior. Also Sachin is average looking and short but Shehzad is a sex symbol who that Hack Kohli tries copying. More girls like Shehzad than Sachin. Shehzad has mote charisma than Sachin. Shehzad is a better fielder than Sachin. Sachin failed in two WC finals proves he is the biggest choker. Shehzad hasnt failed in any WC finals. Sachim never had to deal with PCB conspiracy and a captain who was jealous of his talent and forced him to play slow. Shehzad scored a matchwinning ton against Bangladesh in Asia Cup. Sachin as usual played a selfish knock vs Bangla to get to a personal milestone. When Shezzy gets a 100 the country wins. Only Sachin wins when he gets a 100. Sachin wouldnt have got in Sui Gas Pipeline second XI if he was Pakistani

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Exactly plus Sachin had BCCI scaring and influencing umpires. Look at Mohali how BCCI manipulated DRS for him and forced Pakistan players to drop him. Also Sachin was a selfish player who only played for records and his owm average he isnt a matchwinner like Shezzy who is a selfless warrior. Also Sachin is average looking and short but Shehzad is a sex symbol who that Hack Kohli tries copying. More girls like Shehzad than Sachin. Shehzad has mote charisma than Sachin. Shehzad is a better fielder than Sachin. Sachin failed in two WC finals proves he is the biggest choker. Shehzad hasnt failed in any WC finals. Sachim never had to deal with PCB conspiracy and a captain who was jealous of his talent and forced him to play slow. Shehzad scored a matchwinning ton against Bangladesh in Asia Cup. Sachin as usual played a selfish knock vs Bangla to get to a personal milestone. When Shezzy gets a 100 the country wins. Only Sachin wins when he gets a 100. Sachin wouldnt have got in Sui Gas Pipeline second XI if he was Pakistani

Exactly bro.

All great points.

But I think Sachin would have got a place in the Sui Gas Pipeline second XI but would have been dropped after another match losing selfish 100.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

George Lohman and Sydney Barnes weren't crazy ahead of their peers like Bradman.

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In the late 1800's, the pitches were horrible and bowlers averaged sub 20. In that period, WG Grace averaged mid 30's and he is rated really high.

Of course we can't compare players from eras. The one yardstick that we can compare (superiority over peers), Don eclipses every other cricketer in history. His sample set is solid (Test number wise) and he played for 18 years.

2 things:

1. If a bunch of people were averaging around 80's in that era, Don wouldn't have been rated this high.
2. If Don himself was averaging in the 60's or 70's he wouldn't have been rated this high again.

The gap between him and the next best is shockingly huge.

Also see this:

Performance of batsmen from 1930-1950

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Performance of bowlers from 1930-1950

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Post I made in Sept 2014.

 

[Adil_94]

Exactly bro.

All great points.

But I think Sachin would have got a place in the Sui Gas Pipeline second XI but would have been dropped after another match losing selfish 100.

Sachin would have struggled to make a 100 against our domestic quicks we have 150k speed demons on every team. They just dont get picked because PCB corruption. You know how Sachin was scared of quality fast bowling his legs always used to shake. He would have peed his pants against our phaast bowling superstars

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Images didn't work in the above post.

Post I made in Sept 2014.

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George Lohman and Sydney Barnes weren't crazy ahead of their peers like Bradman.



In the late 1800's, the pitches were horrible and bowlers averaged sub 20. In that period, WG Grace averaged mid 30's and he is rated really high.

Of course we can't compare players from eras. The one yardstick that we can compare (superiority over peers), Don eclipses every other cricketer in history. His sample set is solid (Test number wise) and he played for 18 years.

2 things:

1. If a bunch of people were averaging around 80's in that era, Don wouldn't have been rated this high.
2. If Don himself was averaging in the 60's or 70's he wouldn't have been rated this high again.

The gap between him and the next best is shockingly huge.

Also see this:

Performance of batsmen from 1930-1950



Performance of bowlers from 1930-1950



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[sensible-indian-fan]

Sachin would have struggled to make a 100 against our domestic quicks we have 150k speed demons on every team. They just dont get picked because PCB corruption. You know how Sachin was scared of quality fast bowling his legs always used to shake. He would have peed his pants against our phaast bowling superstars

Another good point. I forgot about his khampti taange.

 

[Adil_94]

Another good point. I forgot about his khampti taange.

Afridi and Akhtar said it so its true. They are two of the most honest humble guys to have played cricket. Not dramaybaaz attention seekers like Misbah and SRT.

 

[Bilal7]

Let me tell you something,if you pick players based on their avgs in tests then except Sobers no post 1955 batsman will make the team.

The team would look like

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman
Hutton
Headley
Hammond
Paynter

all avg in excess of 56 in tests.How many batsman in the modern era avg more than 56 in tests?Viv/SRT/Ponting/Lara/Dravid/Gavaskar/Waugh/Border no one avgs in excess of 55.Infact as the game has modernised the peak batting avg has fallen.

Only one batsman post 1975 has avgd in excess of 55.And what is the similarity between him and the pre 1955 batsmen?Not many games outside his home like conditions.

Infact while so many English batsman avgd 50 plus in the pre 1955 era no english batsman has avgd 50 in last 50 odd years.What does this tell you?

I won't put Bradman in my all-time test XI. I won't compare him with modern-day batsmen. However, I won't downplay his achievements either. No other batsman would have done what Bradman did during his time even if there were no ATG bowlers back then and he only played in two countries.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I won't put Bradman in my all-time test XI. I won't compare him with modern-day batsmen. However, I won't downplay his achievements either. No other batsman would have done what Bradman did during his time even if there were no ATG bowlers back then and he only played in two countries.

All i want to say is that i dont agree with Bradman being the greatest of all time.He is top 3-4 along with Tendulkar and Viv and Sobers

 

[Chrish]

Honestly, it is getting boring now, give it a rest.

I can suggest better methods to deal with that perennial boner you have for Tendulkar.

Might wanna use those methods on yourself first

 

[Mamoon]

Might wanna use those methods on yourself first

I don't bump random threads out of the blue. There is a time and place for everything.

 

[Chrish]

I don't bump random threads out of the blue. There is a time and place for everything.

That doesn't change the reality, does it? Anyone who visits this forum regularly would know you have an unhealthy obsession with

 

[Hitman]

Bump ....

 

[Bilal7]

Bump ....

... For no good reason whatsoever. Your thread about Ian Chappell's comments on Sachin got deleted so you bumped this one? Why?

 

[Shafi]

Flattery talk!!!! May be run out of cash. Tendulkar was great but Bradman was legend!!

 

[Bhaijaan]

You can guess the character of some folks who would even resort to bashing one of their greatest ever cricketers just to ridicule Tendulkar's greatness.

Deal with it. Tendulkar's the greatest

 

[Haroon786]

This thread has convinced me now that the Don is the GOAT cricketer, Imran is #2.

 

[Slog]

Too bad he had kaanpti tangain

Though to be fair I have to applaud and admire Hitmans love for Sachin. It is endearing

 

[tempus123]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]

Sachin as usual played a selfish knock vs Bangla to get to a personal milestone.

This doesn't fit well with the rest of your post, because it's true.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]

Sachin as usual played a selfish knock vs Bangla to get to a personal milestone.

This doesn't fit well with the rest of your post, because it's true.

Lool don't get you knickers in a twist. As I'm sure you can tell that is a trolling post to the highest degree.


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[tempus123]

Lool don't get you knickers in a twist. As I'm sure you can tell that is a trolling post to the highest degree.


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But this part doesn't fit in the tolling post, right ? In a troll post all of the facts should be wrong.

 

[Adil_94]

But this part doesn't fit in the tolling post, right ? In a troll post all of the facts should be wrong.

The selfish knock vs Bangladesh was true but I used it as another example of an endless list of selfish Sachin knocks. When in actual fact it was a rare occurrence in his career.


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[maxamax]

Another "Sachin Tendulkar vs Don Bradman" Thread

Looking at anything, video, record books, stats. Both of them are considered as the finest men ever held bat at international level.

Now the question comes for best ever. Who is it? This discussion is closed many times by saying that both were in different times hence its not fair to compare, but no body realizes that the quality can be matched irrespective of time.

After seeing whatever clips I could find of Bradman on internet, I would say that Sachin was the best ever. Here are my reasons.

• He faced better, more cunning range of bowlers. Thats why he couldn't maintain average of 99 while Bradman is only surviving over that.
• He scored over 20+ years, we had players like Anwar, Azharuddin who were gold but for a shorter period of time, Tendulkar's brilliance was his longevity.
• Comparing batting technique (without considering swing/big spin due to difference of generations), Bradman was the finest one could get as a tall batsman. But on the other hand, Tendulkar was perfectly made for batting, his small height enabled him having most perfect backlift, balance and ball-facing length. He could literally walk and hit sixes at good length deliveries due to his comfortable stance. On the other hand, Bradman used to play almost one dimensional cricket.
• Compare Don to his peers, he was only 20-30% better, Tendulkar was the most perfect thing one has ever seen. Even blazing Kohli can't match his game quality from next generation.

Any counter arguments? or should we finally admit that Tendulkar was the best ever that cricket has ever seen.

 

[WengerOut]

I have my own opinion about Don being credited more than he deserves . Like that , many others might have different opinions. But these types of across the era comparisons invariably ends up being a slug fest between two sets which is not healthy for the forum. Also we are disrespecting the legends that way. So please don't do it.