Salam India!

[MenInG]

You have to hand it to them.

They suffered a huge embarrassment at home vs NZ but the trust in their own skills and processes was so good that they did nothing in panic.

Even a fist innings collapse did not deter them.

Of course, any team can come up with plans but to execute plans etc take a lot of skills and personnel and India have it.

Undoubtedly, they will have off-days, but this thread will always be there to remind people about the quality of this side.

 

[Ab Fan]

Unexpected performance from India given the lack of experience in both batting and bowling department.

Bowling relies on Bumrah heavily while batting on Pant and couple of other batters depending on whether we are playing in Asia or outside Asia.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Salaam Bumrah.

He’s an absolute trump card who turns the tables anywhere with his masterclass bowling. We are extremely extremely fortunate to have a fit Bumrah leading the way. We are a different team when Bumrah is in this kind of form.

Take him out of the equation and many of our triumphs do not exist.

Without question, one of the greatest ever fast bowlers.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I don't know why Indian posters were so pessimistic. I knew this would be a closely fought series. India beat Australia at the Gabba with their C team. That in itself was a testament to India's system and how far it has come in recent years. Full credit to them for how they have played in this test match too. They were not favorites coming into this match on a fast, bouncy Perth track but they have turned things around by playing some great cricket.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Whilst a good performance in the first test so far, the ultimate Goal for every team is the WTC. And at the moment india are not making it. And with all the resources at their disposal, it will be a major failure

 

[Mesozoic]

This is why I usually laugh at those cringelord trolls who go to mars after every Indian defeat saying "India are past it" , "Downfall has started" etc etc.

There is undeniable quality in the team. You think it just disappears with one series loss?

 

[Cover Drive Six]

We will win this series if we win the first test, unless later Rohit Sharma messes up the toss and selections, like he did in the Bangalore test. I hope Bumrah continues as captain for the remaining series.

 

[Devadwal]

This is just small fightback and match is still not over .

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Whilst a good performance in the first test so far, the ultimate Goal for every team is the WTC. And at the moment india are not making it. And with all the resources at their disposal, it will be a major failure

Does the WTC really mean that much though? Personally, nothing about this tournament makes any sense to me and the fact that it's not best of 3 makes even less sense. I would rate winning a series in England, South Africa or Australia much more highly. Winning the WTC is like winning the FA Community Shield.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Does the WTC really mean that much though? Personally, nothing about this tournament makes any sense to me and the fact that it's not best of 3 makes even less sense. I would rate winning a series in England, South Africa or Australia much more highly. Winning the WTC is like winning the FA Community Shield.

Teams like Australia and New Zealand who have won it, think otherwise

 

[sweep_shot]

Too early to congratulate them.

First of all, this Test is not over yet and Aussies are quite capable of winning it even from this position.

Secondly, this is a 5-match series. I still expect Aussies to win the series.

 

[mominsaigol]

India is clearly the world's best team atm. I only lost it with some people who started to lie and claim current India would wipe the floor with classic Australia.

Losing to NZ at home 3-0 was their karma.

Now that said debt is settled I have no issues with anyone.

My main focus is just debunking the myth of Ashwin, Jadeja, and Laxman.

It's a god send for India that Ashwin and Jadeja didn't get selected for the 2st test because I guarantee you aus would have taken the lead if they did.

These boys are rubbish plain and simple.

Laxman isn't rubbish, But the narratives surrounding him in how he wasn't an odi player and only played as an ambassador for his country when in reality he was dropped and booted out of the team

And the narratives on how his inconsistency and stats don't reflect his true caliber is nonsense. At the end of the day he's a test only specialist who people claim I'd a test great or atg or whatever even though he's an inconsistent hot mess with atg innings.

Nothing more then a Fakhar Zaman of test cricket.

Every other Indian player is fine. I have some issues with people overglorifying Sachin and kohli but thats okay cause at least their ATG's and not these 3 clowns(ashwin, laxman and Jadeja) who I despise to the core.

 

[sweep_shot]

India is clearly the world's best team atm.

They have to win more ICC trophies to be labelled as the best.

Aussies have won 3 ICC trophies in the last 4 years. India have won 1 in the last 11 years.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Teams like Australia and New Zealand who have won it, think otherwise

Would NZ rate it above winning the series in India though or Australia winning an Ashes away or in India away? It obviously matters but it's importance is overstated.

 

[mominsaigol]

India is winning the 1st test because ashwin and Jadeja aren't playing. That's a fact.

These 2 would be run machines on this ground.

All time great cricketers who get dropped by their side(playing 11) on overseas tours

 

[sweep_shot]

India is winning the 1st test because ashwin and Jadeja aren't playing. That's a fact.

These 2 would be run machines on this ground.

All time great cricketers who get dropped by their side(playing 11) on overseas tours

Jadeja and Ashwin are spin track bullies.

They are benign in SENA.

 

[MenInG]

Watch what you write on this thread.

 

[mominsaigol]

They have to win more ICC trophies to be labelled as the best.

Aussies have won 3 ICC trophies in the last 4 years. India have won 1 in the last 11 years.

Australia in its prime >>>>> Current India easily.

Infact 2015 aus tears this Indian team into shreads.

But currently India is the best team in the world.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Anyways I think losing the chance to play WTC stings but the team is going to lose some oldies on the way to freshen up. It's a small price to pay ig for now

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Teams like Australia and New Zealand who have won it, think otherwise

Well Australia have won everything, so not sure if anything means anything to them anymore. And I'm pretty sure New Zealand would rate the India series win much more highly than the WTC win.

 

[mominsaigol]

Jadeja and Ashwin are spin track bullies.

They are benign in SENA.

Their the 2 biggest useless players I've ever seen. Nothing more then curated pitch bullies

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Would NZ rate it above winning the series in India though or Australia winning an Ashes away or in India away? It obviously matters but it's importance is overstated.

End of the day, winning ICC trophies is what counts. And Aussies have stacked the cabinet for a reason

 

[hamzie]

Bumrah is the bowling Bradman equivalent

 

[sweep_shot]

Australia in its prime >>>>> Current India easily.

Infact 2015 aus tears this Indian team into shreads.

But currently India is the best team in the world.

If they are the best, how come they have won 1 ICC trophy in 11 years?

Best teams generally win more ICC trophies. For example, England were the best team from 2017 till 2022 and they won 2 World Cups during that period.

India won only 1 ICC trophy from 2013 till 2024 (that too against South Africa who tend to choke in knockouts).

 

[OldWarHorse]

End of the day, winning ICC trophies is what counts. And Aussies have stacked the cabinet for a reason

I don't think it really matters that much in test cricket tbh. I missed the entire first WTC final against NZ but won't miss a minute of a tour to Eng or NZ or Australia

Would agree in LOIs absolutely

 

[Mesozoic]

Too early to congratulate them.

First of all, this Test is not over yet and Aussies are quite capable of winning it even from this position.

Secondly, this is a 5-match series. I still expect Aussies to win the series.

Oh this test isn't over?

Thanks for informing me this, brother. I had stopped the game yesterday when you declared Australia would win by an innings margin.

 

[mominsaigol]

If they are the best, how come they have won 1 ICC trophy in 11 years?

Best teams generally win more ICC trophies. For example, England were the best team during 2017 till 2022 and they won 2 ICC trophies.

India won only 1 ICC trophy from 2013 till 2024 (that too against South Africa who tend to choke in knockouts).

1999-2007: Best team aus, reason being is that they won icc trophies followed by beating every tom dick and Harry senselessly home and away. No one will ever match that dominance.

2008-2013: ICC events wise it was India but overall it was SA. However SA's choke nature prevented them from winning a dime.

2014-2015: Aus easily

2016-2022: England easily

2023 onwards: India.

 

[Mesozoic]

Well Australia have won everything, so not sure if anything means anything to them anymore. And I'm pretty sure New Zealand would rate the India series win much more highly than the WTC win.

Winning tough away series' is and has always been a much bigger achievement in Cricket than anything barring the ODI World Cup.

 

[mominsaigol]

Winning tough away series' is and has always been a much bigger achievement in Cricket than anything barring the ODI World Cup.

You can say what you wish, but we both know the narrative would be different had the situations been reversed.

had india been medicore in home and away series but always found a way to win icc events or wtc or one off whatevs, youd have gloated and claimed somwthing else.

 

[Rajdeep]

Too early to congratulate them.

First of all, this Test is not over yet and Aussies are quite capable of winning it even from this position.

Secondly, this is a 5-match series. I still expect Aussies to win the series.

Not sure if you can read but OP is NOT congratulating India for winning the series.

He is appreciating the quality of the side and the way they bounce back in tough conditions after getting humiliated at home against NZ and also getting bowled out for 150 here in 1st innings.

I may also remind that India is playing without its regular captain, regular no.3, without 2 spinners who has got 800 test wkts among them and with 3 debutants.

It is just a sport mate and even you can appreciate good cricket sometime rather than being hateful always.

 

[Mesozoic]

You can say what you wish, but we both know the narrative would be different had the situations been reversed.

had india been medicore in home and away series but always found a way to win icc events or wtc or one off whatevs, youd have gloated and claimed somwthing else.

I don't care about these useless what-ifs..

I will always stay consistent about this narrative. Heck we won a T20 world cup this year but it was no where near as big as the 2-1 series win in Australia 2021. Only ODI World cups matter more than away Test series' wins in tough conditions.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Let's just stay on topic

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Winning tough away series' is and has always been a much bigger achievement in Cricket than anything barring the ODI World Cup. Can't believe some low IQ individuals value one off finals above them these days.

It would be one thing if this WTC made any sense, but it doesn't. Every team does not play each other, some teams play far more matches than others and if one team has a favorable FTP than they have an advantage over other teams. On top of that, ICC's decision to make the final a one-off makes everything even more illogical.

An away series win in countries like England, Australia, India, South Africa will always mean more than this Mickey Mouse Community Shield.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Let's just stay on topic

AGAIN

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Jadeja and Ashwin are spin track bullies.

They are benign in SENA.

Jadeja averages below 25 with the ball in both Aus and SouthAfrica, also averages 44 ,32,33 with the bat in Aus, Eng, Nz.

Are these the stats of a home bully?

 

[TheSultan]

India have done well in the second innings - have to give them a lot of credit.

But have to say Aussies are an absolute shambles against India. It’s unexplainable.

 

[rpant_gabba]

India have done well in the second innings - have to give them a lot of credit.

But have to say Aussies are an absolute shambles against India. It’s unexplainable.

and NZ can't do nothing in Aus. Its all about matchups sometimes

 

[gani999]

They have to win more ICC trophies to be labelled as the best.

Aussies have won 3 ICC trophies in the last 4 years. India have won 1 in the last 11 years.

I agree.

India are very talented and resilient, no doubt, but their performances in ICC tournaments have been nothing to write home about.

 

[Rajdeep]

I agree.

India are very talented and resilient, no doubt, but their performances in ICC tournaments have been nothing to write home about.

That is not entirely true either. India has been the best and most consistent team in all ICC events played in last decade and a half. They only foundered in the final hurdle which seemed like a mental block more than anything but hopefully that is gone now with latest T20 WC win. SO this notion that India is absolutely hopeless side in ICC events is baseless.

 

[Varun]

In the old days we were so impressed by the great Australian team and we wanted to win there.

Now we can only win games there regardless of getting trounced by even NZ at home lol.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

That is not entirely true either. India has been the best and most consistent team in all ICC events played in last decade and a half. They only foundered in the final hurdle which seemed like a mental block more than anything but hopefully that is gone now with latest T20 WC win. SO this notion that India is absolutely hopeless side in ICC events is baseless.

Chockers mentality?

 

[Rajdeep]

Chockers mentality?

I tagged you in match thread and asked a question. Can you pls respond?

And yes, call whatever you want choker or mental block, India somehow fumbled at the final hurdle. But that does not mean they are absolutely hopeless in ICC events, the illusion certain posters want to give.

 

[mb3407]

I tagged you in match thread and asked a question. Can you pls respond?

And yes, call whatever you want choker or mental block, India somehow fumbled at the final hurdle. But that does not mean they are absolutely hopeless in ICC events, the illusion certain posters want to give.

We have the 2nd most number of icc trophies. Its not like we don't win them. Just Australia are just crazy good at that. Rest of the world is quite behind especially the other subcontinent teams

 

[gani999]

That is not entirely true either. India has been the best and most consistent team in all ICC events played in last decade and a half. They only foundered in the final hurdle which seemed like a mental block more than anything but hopefully that is gone now with latest T20 WC win. SO this notion that India is absolutely hopeless side in ICC events is baseless.

In the last ten years India has reached the final of the 50 over world cup only once in 2023, and lost that too. India won the 2024 T20 world cup in 2024, but hadn't reached the final since 2014. As for the Champions Trophy, the last time India won it was in 2013.
And don't forget what happened to India in the Champions trophy of 2017 and the T20 WC of 2022.
That's just a single ICC tournament win in the last 11 years. I think the side with the most money, resources and talent in the cricketing world needs to do better.
Even Pakistan, with all their issues and money problems, have managed an equally good record in ICC tournaments in the last ten years.

 

[mb3407]

In the last ten years India has reached the final of the 50 over world cup only once in 2023, and lost that too. India won the 2024 T20 world cup in 2024, but hadn't reached the final since 2014. As for the Champions Trophy, the last time India won it was in 2013.
And don't forget what happened to India in the Champions trophy of 2017 and the T20 WC of 2022.
That's just a single ICC tournament win in the last 11 years. I think the side with the most money, resources and talent in the cricketing world needs to do better.
Even Pakistan, with all their issues and money problems, have managed an equally good record in ICC tournaments in the last ten years.

For the same reason as to why the past Pakistani team which was clearey better than India with players like Imran couldn't win a world cup before India and were thrashed by a weaker Indian team in group stages.

Pakistan with Imran, Inzmam, Wassem did much poorer than India in Icc tournaments as per your logic

 

[uppercut]

They have to win more ICC trophies to be labelled as the best.

Aussies have won 3 ICC trophies in the last 4 years. India have won 1 in the last 11 years.

therefore in YOUR OPINION White ball cricket > Test Cricket ????

 

[shaz619]

When England smash the Aussies to bits, don’t forget to make a Salam England thread as well.

Thanks

 

[Varun]

When England smash the Aussies to bits, don’t forget to make a Salam England thread as well.

Thanks

Bit rare that considering they have won 4 out of 30 tests in Australia this century.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Yashasvi Jaiswal and KL Rahul have made history as the first Indian opening pair in two decades to forge a century partnership in Test cricket on Australian soil!

Their unbeaten stand of 172 runs on Day 2 at the Perth Test (1st Test between Australia and India) marks a significant milestone, last achieved by Sehwag and Chopra in 2004.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Unexpected performance so far. We haven't won it yet!

 

[gani999]

For the same reason as to why the past Pakistani team which was clearey better than India with players like Imran couldn't win a world cup before India and were thrashed by a weaker Indian team in group stages.

Pakistan with Imran, Inzmam, Wassem did much poorer than India in Icc tournaments as per your logic

If the past Pak teams couldn't win a world cup before India, then they clearly weren't better than India. Results matter, hype and fanfare don't.

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't care about these useless what-ifs..

I will always stay consistent about this narrative. Heck we won a T20 world cup this year but it was no where near as big as the 2-1 series win in Australia 2021. Only ODI World cups matter more than away Test series' wins in tough conditions.

I don't care about these useless what-ifs..

Not caring =/= Facts.

i present facts that are universally accepted by all except you

 

[captain.hansolo]

In the last ten years India has reached the final of the 50 over world cup only once in 2023, and lost that too. India won the 2024 T20 world cup in 2024, but hadn't reached the final since 2014. As for the Champions Trophy, the last time India won it was in 2013.
And don't forget what happened to India in the Champions trophy of 2017 and the T20 WC of 2022.
That's just a single ICC tournament win in the last 11 years. I think the side with the most money, resources and talent in the cricketing world needs to do better.
Even Pakistan, with all their issues and money problems, have managed an equally good record in ICC tournaments in the last ten years.

A better metric would be win / loss rate and you may even limit it to ICC tournaments. The way you are tallying the numbers and claiming equivalence between India and Pakistan is absurd.

 

[Mesozoic]

I don't care about these useless what-ifs..

Not caring =/= Facts.

i present facts that are universally accepted by all except you

Lmao... Do you even know what "fact" means?

Your post literally is "Indian fans would have" and "Had India been" . How on earth are those uNiveRsAlLy aCcEpTeD fAcTs?

 

[moghul]

You have to hand it to them.

They suffered a huge embarrassment at home vs NZ but the trust in their own skills and processes was so good that they did nothing in panic.

Even a fist innings collapse did not deter them.

Of course, any team can come up with plans but to execute plans etc take a lot of skills and personnel and India have it.

Undoubtedly, they will have off-days, but this thread will always be there to remind people about the quality of this side.

They have proved why they are the top cricket playing nation on the planet. Embarrassing white wash at home, Captain not available for first test, premier batter ( Kohli ) out of form and Australia prepared a " fast and furious " wicket but credit goes to Bumbra , firs of all for a bold selection , dropping Ashwin and Jedeja for Washington , bringing in young Rana ahead of two more experience pacers and above all chose to bat first.

And , after bundled out for 150, what Bumra did along with his troops , is a history . Great come back in 2nd inning by the batters, wow.

 

[captain.hansolo]

They’re the 2 biggest useless players I've ever seen. Nothing more then curated pitch bullies

Yes spin bowlers perform well on slow tracks. Astute observation. What else? Water is wet? Lemon is sour?

 

[Buffet]

Does the WTC really mean that much though? Personally, nothing about this tournament makes any sense to me and the fact that it's not best of 3 makes even less sense. I would rate winning a series in England, South Africa or Australia much more highly. Winning the WTC is like winning the FA Community Shield.

WTC is a joke format. You can play all home series or against weak teams and then just win one off test in random place.

Aus would love to win test series in Eng and Ind. It's lot harder to do than winning one off game in random venue. NZ achievement of winning series in India will go down as far bigger achivement in their history of cricket.

Test cricket is winning tough away tours. It's always been the case. That's defines greatness. If WTC can be made where all teams play each other home and away 3 tests each. And then 3 tests in finals in 3 different conditions, then it will be some tournament. It will be awesome. I would love that, but not going to happen.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I was pessimistic before each Australian tour beause of the aura they have at home. Even though India has done significantly better in Australia over the last 20 years or so i always expected Australia to crush us. But boys step up. Could be due to many reasons. May be the conditions suit Indian batting style better, over a period Indian bowling better. Ofcourse they are extra focused and elevate their game against Australia.

 

[Buffet]

They have proved why they are the top cricket playing nation on the planet. Embarrassing white wash at home, Captain not available for first test, premier batter ( Kohli ) out of form and Australia prepared a " fast and furious " wicket but credit goes to Bumbra , firs of all for a bold selection , dropping Ashwin and Jedeja for Washington , bringing in young Rana ahead of two more experience pacers and above all chose to bat first.

And , after bundled out for 150, what Bumra did along with his troops , is a history . Great come back in 2nd inning by the batters, wow.

Yah, it was bold to bat first with unsettled batting line up on fast and furious pitch prepared by Aus. First test was at this venue intentionally to have one easy win.

I think Aus should still win this long test series, but credit to India for playing the way they did after doing so poor in previous test series at home. They are team in transition but played really well after getting bowled out cheaply.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I tagged you in match thread and asked a question. Can you pls respond?

And yes, call whatever you want choker or mental block, India somehow fumbled at the final hurdle. But that does not mean they are absolutely hopeless in ICC events, the illusion certain posters want to give.

India v Australia cricket thread?

I gave you my response on that.

 

[kron]

Australia in its prime >>>>> Current India easily.

Infact 2015 aus tears this Indian team into shreads.

But currently India is the best team in the world.

In tests? No
It will be close. But this indian team is in transition.

 

[kron]

If they are the best, how come they have won 1 ICC trophy in 11 years?

Best teams generally win more ICC trophies. For example, England were the best team from 2017 till 2022 and they won 2 World Cups during that period.

India won only 1 ICC trophy from 2013 till 2024 (that too against South Africa who tend to choke in knockouts).

Why are you conflating tests with odi and t20?

Tests India won 5 maces In a row. Who cares about rubbish one off wtc final. That too after ipl when indian players are tired and play with no prep lel.

 

[mominsaigol]

In tests? No
It will be close. But this indian team is in transition.

2015 Aus tears current India in any format into shreads.

The pacers are all in their prime and are superior to every single bowler besides Bumrah however a prime 2015 stark in aussie conditons > Bumrah in aussie conditons.

Steve smith in 2015 was also a monster in tests and is pretty much unstoppable.

Indian batting is a mess especially the middle order.

 

[kron]

I was pessimistic before each Australian tour beause of the aura they have at home. Even though India has done significantly better in Australia over the last 20 years or so i always expected Australia to crush us. But boys step up. Could be due to many reasons. May be the conditions suit Indian batting style better, over a period Indian bowling better. Ofcourse they are extra focused and elevate their game against Australia.

India never ever display the same intensity vs nz. If they did they would have crushed them last time.

But yea vs aus and SA they raise their game.

Vs england post 2018 they have raised their game away from home they always get battered in India anyway.

 

[kron]

2015 Aus tears current India in any format into shreads.

The pacers are all in their prime and are superior to every single bowler besides Bumrah however a prime 2015 stark in aussie conditons > Bumrah in aussie conditons.

Steve smith in 2015 was also a monster in tests and is pretty much unstoppable.

Indian batting is a mess especially the middle order.

At no point in his career was starc ever better than bumrah in tests.

But yea 2015 aus would beat India in aus conditions right now.

But they would still lose to India in india. In tests.

In odi yea they were beasts. That's their main format.

Not t20. Australia were never a great t20 side.

 

[mominsaigol]

At no point in his career was starc ever better than bumrah in tests.

But yea 2015 aus would beat India in aus conditions right now.

But they would still lose to India in india. In tests.

In odi yea they were beasts. That's their main format.

Not t20. Australia were never a great t20 side.

Starc in 2015 is > Bumrah in aussie conditons 100%. He keeps spamming that high bounce inswing over and over which for some reason he can't do anymore or often it just slips out of his hand .

As for t20, 100% t20. 2024 India is a has been side. And sanju and the rest smacking sa doesn't mean they can just smack the pace trio in their primes. They'd get exposed easily.

As for odi, no shot in hell.

And I'm not saying this as an aussie fan. I'm genuinely being as unbiased as possible.

Current India is the best team in the world but classic aus and 2015 aus are out of their league.

2015 aus had only one mishap against NZ but even then it was just a one wicket win. And the whole wahab vs Watson nonsense Is overblown. I watched that match live.

Wahab was still getting tonked by steve smith and Watson started smacking him after 3 to 4 overs.

It was hurt those initial 3 to 4 overs that troubled Watson.

 

[kron]

Starc in 2015 is > Bumrah in aussie conditons 100%. He keeps spamming that high bounce inswing over and over which for some reason he can't do anymore or often it just slips out of his hand .

As for t20, 100% t20. 2024 India is a has been side. And sanju and the rest smacking sa doesn't mean they can just smack the pace trio in their primes. They'd get exposed easily.

As for odi, no shot in hell.

And I'm not saying this as an aussie fan. I'm genuinely being as unbiased as possible.

Current India is the best team in the world but classic aus and 2015 aus are out of their league.

2015 aus had only one mishap against NZ but even then it was just a one wicket win. And the whole wahab vs Watson nonsense Is overblown. I watched that match live.

Wahab was still getting tonked by steve smith and Watson started smacking him after 3 to 4 overs.

It was hurt those initial 3 to 4 overs that troubled Watson.

In tests aus win in aus
India win in india vs 2015 side

In odi yes aus wins in most places

In t20 india would smash aus.

Aus was never a good t20 side.

And no bumrah is far above starc in any condition in tests.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

WTC is a joke format. You can play all home series or against weak teams and then just win one off test in random place.

Aus would love to win test series in Eng and Ind. It's lot harder to do than winning one off game in random venue. NZ achievement of winning series in India will go down as far bigger achivement in their history of cricket.

Test cricket is winning tough away tours. It's always been the case. That's defines greatness. If WTC can be made where all teams play each other home and away 3 tests each. And then 3 tests in finals in 3 different conditions, then it will be some tournament. It will be awesome. I would love that, but not going to happen.

Yeah, if they divided teams into two groups and as you said, teams played each other home and away and the final was best of 3, then it could actually be a good tournament. But what they are doing right now doesn't really work and can't really be taken particularly seriously.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

England famously racked up 500-0 once in Australia. It can be done to them.

The greatest sports team in history is certainly worthy of praise

 

[Mohraheem]

Misbah and Co should learn something from this…

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yeah, if they divided teams into two groups and as you said, teams played each other home and away and the final was best of 3, then it could actually be a good tournament. But what they are doing right now doesn't really work and can't really be taken particularly seriously.

They thought it would push every country to start taking Tests seriously with this incentivization. Winner gets 1.6 million. Runner gets 0.8 million. It hasn't quiet worked well as there are some holes in this. Not every team play equal number of matches.

 

[Buffet]

India is not the best test team. They lost badly at home few months back and team is in transition. One of the top teams right not for sure, but can't be the best team after losing so badly at home.

First test will be hard to save for Aus from this situation, but series is a long one. I expect Aus to win this series. Not often Aus is bolwled out for 100 runs and yes Bumrah is top tier bowler but even he is not going to take 5-fers every match. If he helps his team to win this tough and long series I will outright rate him ahead of Wasim with just 200 wickets.

Posters are getting carried away by one test in a long series.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India is not the best test team. They lost badly at home few months back and team is in transition. One of the top teams right not for sure, but can't be the best team after losing so badly at home.

First test will be hard to save for Aus from this situation, but series is a long one. I expect Aus to win this series. Not often Aus is bolwled out for 100 runs and yes Bumrah is top tier bowler but even he is not going to take 5-fers every match. If he helps his team to win this tough and long series I will outright rate him ahead of Wasim with just 200 wickets.

Posters are getting carried away by one test in a long series.

Match is not over yet. No guarantee India will win this one.

 

[sweep_shot]

India is not the best test team. They lost badly at home few months back and team is in transition. One of the top teams right not for sure, but can't be the best team after losing so badly at home.

First test will be hard to save for Aus from this situation, but series is a long one. I expect Aus to win this series. Not often Aus is bolwled out for 100 runs and yes Bumrah is top tier bowler but even he is not going to take 5-fers every match. If he helps his team to win this tough and long series I will outright rate him ahead of Wasim with just 200 wickets.

Posters are getting carried away by one test in a long series.

Agree.

This India couldn't win a Test series in South Africa, England, and NZ. They also lost a Test series at home against NZ.

So, can't be the best team.

There is no undisputed best team currently.

 

[Buffet]

Match is not over yet. No guarantee India will win this one.

Yah, but India is in strong position. If Aus can tackle Bumrah then runs can be chased. It depends on how long India can bat, but with 10 wickets in hands, likely to get a lead of 400 runs and if it gets 500 runs, Aus is not getting near that. The last 5-6 sessions will be hard to bat here.

If India collapse from here then I can see Aus chasing 300 runs because pitch is better to bat now. Longer India stays there harder it will get for Aus. 300 runs will be very hard to get on last 4 sessions, but much easier on 3rd day. Now if India had Shami playing fully fit in this situation then match was gone from Aus no matter when they had to get those runs.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yah, but India is in strong position. If Aus can tackle Bumrah then runs can be chased. It depends on how long India can bat, but with 10 wickets in hands, likely to get a lead of 400 runs and if it gets 500 runs, Aus is not getting near that. The last 5-6 sessions will be hard to bat here.

If India collapse from here then I can see Aus chasing 300 runs because pitch is better to bat now. Longer India stays there harder it will get for Aus. 300 runs will be very hard to get on last 4 sessions, but much easier on 3rd day. Now if India had Shami playing fully fit in this situation then match was gone from Aus no matter when they had to get those runs.

India has Bumrah, out of form siraj, Two debutan seamers. One is ordinary. Sundar is not exactly same as Ashwin or Jadeja. Was preferred mainly for his batting. So Indian bowling is a little light weight.

 

[Buffet]

Agree.

This India couldn't win a Test series in South Africa, England, and NZ. They also lost a Test series at home against NZ.

So, can't be the best team.

There is no undisputed best team currently.

I won't really worry about not winning in SA or Eng because before NZ series they drew both test series. It does not make sense to talk about not winning every single away test series because then we are talking about great Aus/WI standards.

Before this NZ series, Ind did poor only in one venue and did very well in all venues.

India had won every single home series.
Won away series in Aus, SL, WI, BD
Drew series in SA and Eng
Lost in NZ

So they were clearly number of test team by a large margin before last home series against NZ.

Now with last series loss agaisnt NZ, they can't be called best team. On of the top teams for sure. They were the best test team for 4-5 years, now team is in transition. New team with new cycle and they have to do it again to be called the best test team.

Facinating time for test cricket. I like the fact that home teams are not winning by default.

 

[mb3407]

India is not the best test team. They lost badly at home few months back and team is in transition. One of the top teams right not for sure, but can't be the best team after losing so badly at home.

First test will be hard to save for Aus from this situation, but series is a long one. I expect Aus to win this series. Not often Aus is bolwled out for 100 runs and yes Bumrah is top tier bowler but even he is not going to take 5-fers every match. If he helps his team to win this tough and long series I will outright rate him ahead of Wasim with just 200 wickets.

Posters are getting carried away by one test in a long series.

So which team will be best. Aus which lost two home series against India and might lose another.

Or are you the one which believes in on off wtc final supremacy.

Or are there no best teams atm?

 

[sweep_shot]

I won't really worry about not winning in SA or Eng because before NZ series they drew both test series. It does not make sense to talk about not winning every single away test series because then we are talking about great Aus/WI standards.

Before this NZ series, Ind did poor only in one venue and did very well in all venues.

India had won every single home series.
Won away series in Aus, SL, WI, BD
Drew series in SA and Eng
Lost in NZ

So they were clearly number of test team by a large margin before last home series against NZ.

Now with last series loss agaisnt NZ, they can't be called best team. On of the top teams for sure. They were the best test team for 4-5 years, now team is in transition. New team with new cycle and they have to do it again to be called the best test team.

Facinating time for test cricket. I like the fact that home teams are not winning by default.

Before Ind-NZ series, Aussies were #1 in ICC ranking.

An undisputed #1 team would win everywhere. That's what ATG Aussie team did.

Since India couldn't win a Test series in England, NZ, and South Africa, they were not the undisputed #1 Test team.

 

[jnaveen1980]

So which team will be best. Aus which lost two home series against India and might lose another.

Or are you the one which believes in on off wtc final supremacy.

Or are there no best teams atm?

Weirdest results are coming in

NZ whitewashed by SL
India whitewashed by NZ
Pakistan whitewashed by BD
England lost to Pakistan



Most of these results are not quiet expected. I think teams that go through transition will face these kind of unexpected results. No team is a fully settled side at this point. Many teams have players that are on the wrong side of 30. It will take a couple of years before every team has a settled team. India for instance lost mainly due to two well past-by-sell date players.