Sami Aslam in 2016 (Eng) vs Shubman Gill in 2020-21 (Aus): which performance was better?

[RyanRyan10]

Sami Aslam averaged 56 and had 2 50s in 4 innings

Shubman Gill averaged 52 and had 2 50s in 6 innings

Considering the bowling attack, conditions and the situation in which they batted, who do you think performed better?

 

[Last Monetarist]

Gill faced a significantly stronger bowling attack.

That England attack was extremely depleted due to Anderson being unfit.

 

[Ab Fan]

Undoubtedly, Sami Aslam. Opening the batting in England is the toughest job in the game of cricket.

Sami Aslam's average of 56 in England is basically equivalent to Jack Hobbs test career average of 56.

While in Australian conditions, even a home track bully like Warner averages 70 at home. But when the same Warner goes to England, Stuart Broad eats him for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Sami Aslam all the way. He had the potential to be a GOAT opening batsman. Nothing is bigger than performing in England for an opening bat.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

What a joke thread...

 

[Usman Chadda]

Undoubtedly, Sami Aslam. Opening the batting in England is the toughest job in the game of cricket.

Sami Aslam's average of 56 in England is basically equivalent to Jack Hobbs test career average of 56.

While in Australian conditions, even a home track bully like Warner averages 70 at home. But when the same Warner goes to England, Stuart Broad eats him for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Sami Aslam all the way. He had the potential to be a GOAT opening batsman. Nothing is bigger than performing in England for an opening bat.

Sami Aslam went the other way and started playing for his place in the team, just like pretty much every Pakistani cricketer in the last decade or so.

Gill is special and will be backed 200% by the team management. There is a lot of positivity in Indian cricket right now for him to fail, and severe negativity in Pakistan cricket for the likes of Sami Aslam to go into their shell.

 

[Savak]

Lol, lets compare their strike rates. I got sick and tired of Sami Aslam's 20-30 runs of 100-120 deliveries. Gil you can bet your bottom dollar if he faces 120 deliveries, he will have scored 80 runs by then. That is the difference between a minnow batsman and a world class batsman.

 

[Ab Fan]

Sami Aslam went the other way and started playing for his place in the team, just like pretty much every Pakistani cricketer in the last decade or so.

Gill is special and will be backed 200% by the team management. There is a lot of positivity in Indian cricket right now for him to fail, and severe negativity in Pakistan cricket for the likes of Sami Aslam to go into their shell.

The comparison is of two players in a particular series. It has nothing to do with their pedigree or where they end up.

Nothing is bigger in the game of cricket than performing as an opening batsman in England.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Undoubtedly, Sami Aslam. Opening the batting in England is the toughest job in the game of cricket.

Sami Aslam's average of 56 in England is basically equivalent to Jack Hobbs test career average of 56.

While in Australian conditions, even a home track bully like Warner averages 70 at home. But when the same Warner goes to England, Stuart Broad eats him for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Sami Aslam all the way. He had the potential to be a GOAT opening batsman. Nothing is bigger than performing in England for an opening bat.

That too on debut in swinging conditions. Gill’s limited to dead tracks.

 

[Hyperion66]

Gill's is better by some miles. However we must also understand that Gill was already widely considered to be a future superstar and elite bat even before he faced his first international delivery, anyone who has seen him play would agree that he is in a league of his own and destined for greatness, as a batsman multiple tiers above Sami Aslam, so his performance against Aus isn't exactly surprising, things like that are expected of someone widely regarded as the next Indian batting icon.

Sami Aslam before England series was by and large an unknown commodity, no one expected to see such raw grit and determination from a rookie Pak opener. He surprised everyone with his temperament and mental fortitude. I do not much follow Pak cricket except for PP so not sure what happened after the Eng series or why he was dropped after such a promising start to his career. From what little I have seen of him, he seemed to be an intelligent, talented and hardworking lad.

 

[volcyz]

Absolute joke of a comparison

One is trying to earn his pensioners income in the USA

While other is going to be a superstar

Sami Aslam vs this Aussie bowling attack would’ve been shaking in his boots

 

[King_Kohli]

What happened to him after that England series?
Poor management couldn't handle him properly.

 

[Hyperion66]

That too on debut in swinging conditions. Gill’s limited to dead tracks.

Dead tracks? Where none of the teams managed to score more than 370 across 4 tests? Where Cummins ,Hazelwood and even Shardul Thakur averaged 20 and Lyon averaged 50+? We are all biased too some extent, at least be logical man.

 

[Indiafan]

Gill's attacking shots and strike rates make him way more impactful

 

[Indiafan]

Dead tracks? Where none of the teams managed to score more than 370 across 4 tests? Where Cummins ,Hazelwood and even Shardul Thakur averaged 20 and Lyon averaged 50+? We are all biased too some extent, at least be logical man.

In 8 innings, both teams crossed 300, only 3 times each. 8 out of 16 innings (of both teams combined) were below 200

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Dead tracks? Where none of the teams managed to score more than 370 across 4 tests? Where Cummins ,Hazelwood and even Shardul Thakur averaged 20 and Lyon averaged 50+? We are all biased too some extent, at least be logical man.

I was joking, this is a mindless thread started by an Indian poster to provoke some responses from unassuming Pakistanis who begin debating the thread as if it has any merit.

Gill is far, far better and anyone comparing his series to Sami Aslam is only going to get bumped by the same Indian poster after provoking the comparison.

Go look at the Gill vs Shafique thread - it’s something like 150 comments now and only the first 2 are of Pakistanis giving any real merit to the comparison, the rest 140 are of Indians bumping the thread.

Gill is the next in line after Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Kohli. To compare a series where he helped complete a historic overseas win against Australia, to Sami Aslam’s soft runs, that’s the very definition of trolling.

I’m surprised you’re taking this thread seriously.

 

[Mamoon]

Obviously Gill, but Sami Aslam would have been a fine Test opener had he received the same level of backing that Mr. Zero Talent Masood did.

Pakistan dropped the ball with him way too quickly, which his hysterical when you look at how acute the shortage is in Pakistan when it comes to quality players.

He had the ability to average around 40 as Test opener, which is far more than what our current options, barring Imam, can manage.

Sami Aslam and Imam should be our first-choice Test openers.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Sami Aslam

It is sad how a talent like him was mishandled by management and captain.

Hopefully Abdullah Rafique will not suffer the same fate.

 

[Bigboii]

Not the right time to get honest responses from people

India won a great/historic victory
PAK got whitewashed by NZ

It's like getting dumbed by your GF only for GF to find Leonardo Decaprio and they start dating meanwhile you're still stuck in your mom's basement trying to find a job and no relationship success in sight

This is the feeling most Pak fans must be feeling when it comes to PCT (I certainly am not in every day life just when it comes to PCT)

In that scenario even if Sami (which I don't think he did they felt like soft runs to me but that doesn't mean that the thread is stupid or its not debateable) had a better series we are feeling too let down/sad that we are hesitant to back a Pak player against any Indian player
Add Sami's flight to US to the list of reasons why people won't back Sami in this case

I say bump this thread after 4weeks you'll get good responses.
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[Savak]

Obviously Gill, but Sami Aslam would have been a fine Test opener had he received the same level of backing that Mr. Zero Talent Masood did.

Pakistan dropped the ball with him way too quickly, which his hysterical when you look at how acute the shortage is in Pakistan when it comes to quality players.

He had the ability to average around 40 as Test opener, which is far more than what our current options, barring Imam, can manage.

Sami Aslam and Imam should be our first-choice Test openers.

You can thank Mickey Arthur, apparently Sami Aslam was caught by the team management secretly having Chicken Karhai in his room in defiance of the teams nutritional plans and he got in Mickey's bad books. Mickey loved great work ethic, hard working players like Shan Masood

 

[Savak]

Not the right time to get honest responses from people

India won a great/historic victory
PAK got whitewashed by NZ

It's like getting dumbed by your GF only for GF to find Leonardo Decaprio and they start dating meanwhile you're still stuck in your mom's basement trying to find a job and no relationship success in sight

This is the feeling most Pak fans must be feeling when it comes to PCT (I certainly am not in every day life just when it comes to PCT)

In that scenario even if Sami (which I don't think he did they felt like soft runs to me but that doesn't mean that the thread is stupid or its not debateable) had a better series we are feeling too let down/sad that we are hesitant to back a Pak player against any Indian player
Add Sami's flight to US to the list of reasons why people won't back Sami in this case

I say bump this thread after 4weeks you'll get good responses.
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Its not that bad. People have to be honest and sporting. I have always maintained that the rankings don't lie. India is the best side in the world ranking wise whereas Pakistan is in the bottom three. These rankings are more or less based on consistency of team performance for the last 5-7 years. You keep that in perspective then India's historic victory in Australia will not shock you and be hard to accept.

 

[Mamoon]

You can thank Mickey Arthur, apparently Sami Aslam was caught by the team management secretly having Chicken Karhai in his room in defiance of the teams nutritional plans and he got in Mickey's bad books. Mickey loved great work ethic, hard working players like Shan Masood

Sami Aslam with chicken karahi on his menu had more upside than Masood eating quinoa.

Fitness is great but it does not compensate for lack of ability.

Pakistan wasted 8 years with Masood under the false assumption that he will succeed in international cricket in the long run because he is hardworking and educated.

Those who are great qualities to possess, but they cannot substitute talent; they complement talent.

If you do not have the ability to succeed in international cricket, no amount of hard work, coaching, fitness, diet etc. will generate that inborn ability that only very few people in a population possess.

People talk a lot of BCCI facilities and coaching etc. but there is a reason why someone like Gill is where he is today and not the hundreds of other young batsmen in India.

They don’t posses the gift that he has.

 

[b.lesner]

Sami Aslam

It is sad how a talent like him was mishandled by management and captain.

Hopefully Abdullah Rafique will not suffer the same fate.

Because inzamam had to accommodate Imam. He said Sami SR is low just like imam was some kind of Chris gayle

 

[b.lesner]

Sami Aslam

It is sad how a talent like him was mishandled by management and captain.

Hopefully Abdullah Rafique will not suffer the same fate.

Not Rafique its Shafique

 

[RyanRyan10]

Not the right time to get honest responses from people

India won a great/historic victory
PAK got whitewashed by NZ

It's like getting dumbed by your GF only for GF to find Leonardo Decaprio and they start dating meanwhile you're still stuck in your mom's basement trying to find a job and no relationship success in sight

This is the feeling most Pak fans must be feeling when it comes to PCT (I certainly am not in every day life just when it comes to PCT)

In that scenario even if Sami (which I don't think he did they felt like soft runs to me but that doesn't mean that the thread is stupid or its not debateable) had a better series we are feeling too let down/sad that we are hesitant to back a Pak player against any Indian player
Add Sami's flight to US to the list of reasons why people won't back Sami in this case

I say bump this thread after 4weeks you'll get good responses.
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Bumping this post after the completion of Gill's second series where he didn't have much success.

Most of Indian fans are still backing Gill and I am sure even the management will do the same whereas Pakistan fans and management didn't support Sami Aslam after a few failures

 

[Ab Fan]

Sami Aslam was very good. It is no joke to average 56 in England conditions as opener and lead your team to a series draw in a top ranked country like England.

 

[Shafi]

What is this obsession with this chicken hearted player? Had he born in Eng/Ind/Aus he will not even get in First division leagues.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Sami Aslam was very good. It is no joke to average 56 in England conditions as opener and lead your team to a series draw in a top ranked country like England.

His performance helped Pakistan attain no.1 spot in test rankings. It's unfortunate to see him move away from Pakistan Cricket.

Though I am sure he will do wonders for USA team and help them become the strongest associate side.