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Saudi Arabia has 'clear link' to UK extremism, report says

Saudi Arabia is the chief foreign promoter of Islamist extremism in the UK, a new report has claimed.

The Henry Jackson Society said there was a "clear and growing link" between Islamist organisations in receipt of overseas funds, hate preachers and Jihadist groups promoting violence.

The foreign affairs think tank called for a public inquiry into the role of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf nations.

The UK's Saudi Arabian embassy says the claims are "categorically false".

Meanwhile, ministers are under pressure to publish their own report on UK-based Islamist groups.

The Home Office report into the existence and influence of Jihadist organisations, commissioned by former Prime Minister David Cameron in 2015, has reportedly yet to be completed amid questions as to whether it will ever be published.

Critics have suggested it could make uncomfortable reading for the government, which has close and longstanding diplomatic, security and economic links with the Gulf, particularly Saudi Arabia.

BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said he understood the report was "largely finished and sitting on Theresa May's desk", but there was probably a reluctance to publish it because of "embarrassing" content.

Wednesday's report by the right-of-centre think tank says a number of Gulf nations, as well as Iran, are providing financial support to mosques and Islamic educational institutions which have played host to extremist preachers and been linked to the spread of extremist material.

At the top of the list, the report claims, is Saudi Arabia, the UK's closest ally in the Middle East and biggest trading partner.

It alleges individuals and foundations have been heavily involved in exporting what it calls "an illiberal, bigoted Wahhabi ideology", quoting a number of examples.

In a minority of cases, the report alleges institutions in the UK that receive Saudi funding are run directly from Saudi Arabia, although in most instances the money appears to "simply buy foreign donors' influence".

In a statement, the Saudi embassy in London said any accusations that the kingdom had radicalised "a small number of individuals are baseless and lack credible evidence".

And it pointed out that the country has itself been subject to numerous attacks by al-Qaeda and so-called Islamic State.

It added: "We do not and will not condone the actions or ideology of violent extremism and we will not rest until these deviants and their organisations are destroyed."

The Home Office said it was determined to cut off the funding of extremism but it declined to comment on the think tank's report.

The BBC's Frank Gardner said the report's release comes at a sensitive time with Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt all accusing Qatar of supporting extremism - a charge the report says is hypocritical.

Arab foreign ministers are meeting in Cairo on Wednesday to discuss possible further sanctions on Qatar, while the Qatari foreign minister will be making his own country's case at a press conference in London.

Endorsing the report, Labour MP Dan Jarvis said it shed light on "very worrying" links between Saudi Arabia and the funding of extremism and he called for the government to release its report on foreign funding.

"In the wake of the terrible and tragic terrorist attacks we have seen this year, it is vital that we use every tool at our disposal to protect our communities," he said.

"This includes identifying the networks that promote and support extremism and shutting down the financial networks that fund it."

He said the proposed Commission for Countering Extremism, a new body intended to expose examples of extremism in civil society, should make the foreign funding of UK institutions a priority.

Prime Minister Theresa May, who visited Saudi Arabia in April, has insisted the UK's historic relationship with the desert kingdom is important for British security and trade.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has called for the immediate suspension of UK arms exports to Saudi Arabia because of its human rights record and involvement in military action in Yemen.
 
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Is anyone even surprised by the report, surely IRAN does it as well in smaller doses though
 
Check this thread in 5-6 hours, their defenders will come roaring.

Their defenders include the US and UK govts in realpolitik terms so nothing much will change as far as Saudi influence on extremism is concerned. We've been hearing or seeing same versions of these reports for the last 20 years.
 
Saudi Arabia causing extremism in other countries?

I'm shocked.
 
Their defenders include the US and UK govts in realpolitik terms so nothing much will change as far as Saudi influence on extremism is concerned. We've been hearing or seeing same versions of these reports for the last 20 years.

Their defenders i.e. people on PP.

You knew very well what I was talking about.
 
Their defenders i.e. people on PP.

You knew very well what I was talking about.

Yes I did, I was just trying to broaden the subject to the gist of the OP rather than make it about anonymous personalities who take part in the discussion.
 
Expect the usual Saudi defenders to come out of their holes. Just check out some of the Facebook comments for yourself. Sad to see that the home of Islam is now home to these Saudi scumbags.
 
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So this means UK will stop selling weapons To Saudis? Where are the usual Saudi defenders? We dare you guys to come out of your tremendous holes. Sad!
 
Maybe the UK will stop selling Saudis those weapons to teach PP Saudi defenders a lesson!
 
This will get interesting, Henry Jackson society is a scumbag neo con organisation, and alot of neocons are in bed with the Saudi's.
 
Without a doubt the information uncovered will be true here. I wouldn't rely on the Henry Jackson Society for sound motives or objective rhetoric however - essentially a legalised middle-class pro-Islamophobia organisation of smug private schoolboys.
 
I think you'll find Saudi Arabia has links with every islamic extremist on the planet.
 
Interestingly, in my encounters with HT ( Al Muhajiorun before they were proscribed) they were very critical of the Saudis as well. It always makes me wonder how Saudis can be exporting jihadist ideology when that same ideology would wipe them off the map as well given half the chance.
 
Declarations from the Henry Jackson Society should be taken with a pinch of salt.

I'm more interested in this Home Office report which Theresa May is sitting on in an act of nauseating Saudi appeasement.

I hope Corbyn and other opposition parties as well as Tory backbenchers pressurise the Government, which is sitting on a wafer-thin majority anyway, to publish the report to get to the bottom of the terrorism issue which has struck the country three times this year.
 
Saudi Arabia supports Terrorism....What a Shocker !!!

In other news.....The World is Round and 14th February is Valentine's day
 
And...... the sun rises from the east.

If you look at the lifestyle of the Saudis ok UK and then try to renconcile the ideology they patronage in the Muslim world, it's completely at odds.

It's always baffled me why no extremists have an agenda that seeks to end the al saud dynasty.... but yet can have far reaching powers to cause destruction elsewhere..... coincidence?
 
Today I read somewhere that the Pope is Catholic. I also read something about a bear in the woods, but I forget what it was.
 
Saudi Arab is the Mecca of Islamic extremism/terrorism... ;-)

Western world is waiting for Oil dependency to go down farther, their knifes will get sharper, as Elon's Electric World lighten ups :srini:
 
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Amen. I'm meeting a solar panel company rep next Friday. I'm thinking of putting them all over my roof. Every little bit helps. I would buy a Tesla too if I could afford to.
 
It was the British who founded Saudi Arabia and it's the Americans who support them. All 3 are 1. As if the Saudi's could do anything if they didn't have the big boys approval.
 
It was the British who founded Saudi Arabia and it's the Americans who support them. All 3 are 1. As if the Saudi's could do anything if they didn't have the big boys approval.

It is strange that PP critics of Saudi seem to have some trouble swallowing that discrepancy. Trump and May were both competing to pay tribute to the Saudis on their visits there recently. Personally I have always found the Saudi regime a disgusting blot on the world, but then for different reasons, so have Al Qaeda.
 
It is strange that PP critics of Saudi seem to have some trouble swallowing that discrepancy. Trump and May were both competing to pay tribute to the Saudis on their visits there recently. Personally I have always found the Saudi regime a disgusting blot on the world, but then for different reasons, so have Al Qaeda.

A mix of brainwashing and acceptance of the truth being too hard to swallow. People find it difficult to understand how a secular nation which claims to be fighting extremism is actually the best friend and protector of a regime which creates most of the world extremism. The reality is all have the same goals with different faces for different audiences.
 
Is anyone even surprised by the report, surely IRAN does it as well in smaller doses though

As far as I know, Iran supports the Hezbollah and maybe the Hamas. These organizations can make a case that they are in possession of land that they are defending. Iran does not financially support organizations in Western countries. If you have links showing otherwise, please do share.
 
Interestingly, in my encounters with HT ( Al Muhajiorun before they were proscribed) they were very critical of the Saudis as well. It always makes me wonder how Saudis can be exporting jihadist ideology when that same ideology would wipe them off the map as well given half the chance.

It does seem like a paradox, but there is a logic to it.

The Saudis try to buy religious influence, to that end they fund Islamic religious organizations.

The Saudis also try to buy Western influence, for example like the recent $100 billion arms order from the US.

Many Islamists hate the Saudis for the money they give the West rather than their own people. Hence the hate even though some Islamic organizations may be funded by the Saudis.
 
As far as I know, Iran supports the Hezbollah and maybe the Hamas. These organizations can make a case that they are in possession of land that they are defending. Iran does not financially support organizations in Western countries. If you have links showing otherwise, please do share.

Supporting anyone outside their country is what I meant,world is not only made of western countries.
 
Supporting anyone outside their country is what I meant,world is not only made of western countries.

If supporting anyone outside their country equals terrorism, then every arm exporting country supports terrorism.

There is a very very big difference in supporting Hezbollah which is defending the land it holds, and ISIS surrogate suicide bombers killing people in Europe.
 
If supporting anyone outside their country equals terrorism, then every arm exporting country supports terrorism.

There is a very very big difference in supporting Hezbollah which is defending the land it holds, and ISIS surrogate suicide bombers killing people in Europe.

There is a a difference in denying it,when exporting arms legally is different from supporting rebels in a country and arming them against the existing government of that country.
 
It does seem like a paradox, but there is a logic to it.

The Saudis try to buy religious influence, to that end they fund Islamic religious organizations.

The Saudis also try to buy Western influence, for example like the recent $100 billion arms order from the US.

Many Islamists hate the Saudis for the money they give the West rather than their own people. Hence the hate even though some Islamic organizations may be funded by the Saudis.

That doesn't make sense either. If they wanted to buy religious influence, why wouldn't they fund Islamic religious organisations that are docile rather than those that give rise to jihadis that want to get rid of the Saudi regime altogether?
 
That doesn't make sense either. If they wanted to buy religious influence, why wouldn't they fund Islamic religious organisations that are docile rather than those that give rise to jihadis that want to get rid of the Saudi regime altogether?

It is hard to separate the docile from the extremists. You read enough books that speak non-stop of wars, end-times, good and evil and your view of the world tends to extremes.
 
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@Cpt.Rishwat Saudi fund mosques that promote ultra conservative ideology that encourages an attitude of hostility to non muslims n outsiders. Once someone has been indocrinated with this its easy for them to join a more extreme path. Saudi itself has the largest amount of foreign fighters to join ISIS. and the former Imam of Mecca even said that ISIS is from our religious heritage.
The line from non violent extremism to violate extremism can become blurred esp with all the violence in the middle east. when u are taught that outsiders are your enemies n non muslims will always be your enemy. then its easy to turn against a govt that is friendly with them. Bin Laden was part of the saudi elite and he turned against what he saw as saudi govt hypocrisy n turned towards violence.

There are people who agree with all of Saudis domestic politics and their interpretation of Sharia but its their foreign policy that makes them turn against Saudi.

most of the anti saudi islamists issue with saudi isnt wahhabism or salafism its the saudi govts alliance with america thats they hate. saudis domestic policies they mostly agree with.
 
western govts support saudi because saudi are big allies of Israel. saudi propaganda in recent years is focusing on Iran and the Shia as the biggest enemy of the region not the Israelis.

western govts obviously dont agree with saudis own domestic politics n values but for the geopolitical reasons they support them.

Saudi also have agency of their own they know that the West need them as an ally in the M.E n they also often play a double game talking about peace while funding mosques in the west that are anti western so they can further monopolise worldwide muslim support but they are caught in the trap of being such a close ally of america that people who are indoctrinated by their message of distrust and hostility towards non muslims they turn against saudi too for even more radical groups.
 
@Cpt.Rishwat Saudi fund mosques that promote ultra conservative ideology that encourages an attitude of hostility to non muslims n outsiders. Once someone has been indocrinated with this its easy for them to join a more extreme path. Saudi itself has the largest amount of foreign fighters to join ISIS. and the former Imam of Mecca even said that ISIS is from our religious heritage.
The line from non violent extremism to violate extremism can become blurred esp with all the violence in the middle east. when u are taught that outsiders are your enemies n non muslims will always be your enemy. then its easy to turn against a govt that is friendly with them. Bin Laden was part of the saudi elite and he turned against what he saw as saudi govt hypocrisy n turned towards violence.

There are people who agree with all of Saudis domestic politics and their interpretation of Sharia but its their foreign policy that makes them turn against Saudi.

most of the anti saudi islamists issue with saudi isnt wahhabism or salafism its the saudi govts alliance with america thats they hate. saudis domestic policies they mostly agree with.

Is Tableeghi Jamaat a Saudi funded group? I always assumed so because they seem to fit the Wahabi mode, but from what I recall in my very brief encounters with them they were very un-dynamic and strongly discouraged any political talk. Very much a sit in the mosque and pray 24/7 which didn't appeal to me at all. ISIS are far more exciting but not for any religious reasons.
 
@Cpt.Rishwat Tableeghis as far as i know are self funded and dont take funding from Saudi. Though they claim to be non sectarian and are apolitical. They are most closely aligned to the Deobandi movement n use their mosques to have meetings n events. N preach a very fundamentalist brand of the faith its why they all have the beards with no moustaches as they try to emulate the Prophet as close as humanly possible. They favour a bottom up islamisation of society through preaching and missionary work rather than an ISIS or Al Qaeda style militant takeover then imposing from the top down.

a lot of non political Salafis n Wahhabis are like tableeghis but they differ on some issues mostly minor differences.
 
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