Saudi Arabia rejects Pakistan’s request to call an OIC meeting on Kashmir

[Mamoon]

Saudi Arabia has reportedly turned down Islamabad’s bid to call a meeting of top Muslim diplomats on the disputed territory of Kashmir.

Pakistan is seeking an immediate session of the Council of Foreign Ministers (CFM) of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), considered one of the most important platforms where the 57-member body discusses important issues.

Pakistan has struggled to bring global attention to the plight of the Kashmiris. Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) - Pakistan’s long-standing allies - have not been persistent in their support over Kashmir, experts say.

In December, Islamabad backed out of a meeting of Muslim leaders in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, after opposition from Riyadh, which saw it as a challenge to the Jeddah-based OIC.

Soon after, the Saudi foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan visited Pakistan and in meetings with Pakistani officials indicated that a CFM on Kashmir would be held.

Khan, who travelled to Malaysia this month in what’s being seen as a make-up visit, expressed his annoyance over the indecision of OIC.

“The reason is that we have no voice, and there is a total division amongst [us]. We can’t even come together as a whole on the OIC summit meeting on Kashmir,” he said, speaking at a think tank.

https://www.trtworld.com/asia/another-setback-for-pakistan-s-faltering-kashmir-stance-33584

Another day, another humiliation for Pakistan and another blow to our faltering Kashmir stance.

The Saudis told Imran Khan to sit down as he was about to board the plane to fly to Kuala Lumpur, and this additional humiliation is what we are getting in return.

The pertinent question is - what is our foreign policy and where do we go from here?

The Kashmir issue is fizzling out and history will remember Imran Khan as the PM who couldn’t anything (apart from firing tweets) when India annexed Kashmir and deprived them of their autonomy.

Where does Pakistan and Imran Khan go from here? This was bound to happen of course, but it doesn’t lessen the embarrassment for a state that has nowhere to go and nowhere to hide from its foreign policy blunders.

 

[MenInG]

Try and hide your delight at "your" country's humiliation.

Instead of gloating, think about the Kashmiris who are suffering - its called compassion.

 

[minamino]

I heard that Palestine supports India as well on this Kashmir issue yet we burn our houses, cars and properties because of them.

Muslim Ummah seems like a myth these days tbh. No one cares about it anymore. Hope Pakistanis understand this and stand up for themselves and protect their identity.

 

[Vastunna]

Try and hide your delight at "your" country's humiliation.

Instead of gloating, think about the Kashmiris who are suffering - its called compassion.

Do you feel likewise about every Muslim suffering at all corners of the globe ??

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I heard that Palestine supports India as well on this Kashmir issue yet we burn our houses, cars and properties because of them.

Muslim Ummah seems like a myth these days tbh. No one cares about it anymore. Hope Pakistanis understand this and stand up for themselves and protect their identity.

Fortunately for Kashmir, there are still truthful and concientous Indian journalists who will ask the hard questions about Kashmir.

Read about India's secret war against it's own people here:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/indian-film-zooms-in-on-kashmirs-secret-war-3h23jv8nl

 

[Lonewarrior]

OH I SEE (OIC) ... i hope thats sums up the org value on the world forum....

 

[Savak]

Pakistan depends heavily on Saudi Arabia and the Arab World. Its easy to talk not giving a crap about them but it will take them a second to impose massive hardships on the Pakistani economy.

 

[Slog]

Do you feel likewise about every Muslim suffering at all corners of the globe ??

Most likely but even if he doesn’t it’s a different matter entirely.

Kashmir is a disputed territory between Pakistan and India and Pakistanis have links to it so obvious it will have more interest

 

[liam26]

Long live India Arab Friendship.

Lol Desi Muslims suck up so much to these Arabs and even try to emulate their way of living and culture but get nothing in return.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Long live India Arab Friendship.

Lol Desi Muslims suck up so much to these Arabs and even try to emulate their way of living and culture but get nothing in return.

i agree to that, long live India Arab friendship... but you should know what will Arabs do in future ....

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Long live India Arab Friendship.

Lol Desi Muslims suck up so much to these Arabs and even try to emulate their way of living and culture but get nothing in return.

And what culture do you belong to.....Liam?

 

[topspin]

Pakistan depends heavily on Saudi Arabia and the Arab World. Its easy to talk not giving a crap about them but it will take them a second to impose massive hardships on the Pakistani economy.

Nah we need free ourselves from these Wahabis.

 

[CricketDon]

Yet we bend over backward for Saudi Arabia and Palestine. Palestinians are some of the most racist people I’ve ever known. They think south Asians are below them. Same with Arabs and how they treat Pakistanis diluting pilgrim.

Personally I support Israel on their Palestine Israel conflict. Israel puts up buildings and economies. Palestine bimbs buildings then cries wolf.

Less said about Arabia. We Pakistanis need to focus on our country our economy our people. We have already done too much and only been shot in the foot. Hopefully we’d have a strong economy with a thriving city in 30-50 years time.

 

[Savak]

Nah we need free ourselves from these Wahabis.

Easier said than done. They can easily jack up their oil prices and the balance of payment crisis will worsen

 

[Bewal Express]

Try and hide your delight at "your" country's humiliation.

Instead of gloating, think about the Kashmiris who are suffering - its called compassion.

It hurts when the Hindutuva celebrate, but it hurts even more when supposed PK's celebrate.

 

[Bewal Express]

Do you feel likewise about every Muslim suffering at all corners of the globe ??

I do, I pray for Muslims to live in dignity in Muslim countries, I pray for Muslims to live in dignity in non Muslim countries. I pray for Minorities in Muslim lands to be able to live in dignity.

 

[Kroll]

Saudis have got their hands full right now, what with Iran, Yemen, Khashoggi affair etc.

 

[mustang]

I do, I pray for Muslims to live in dignity in Muslim countries, I pray for Muslims to live in dignity in non Muslim countries. I pray for Minorities in Muslim lands to be able to live in dignity.

Your prayers being answered yet or what? Perhaps make time and pray more for the non-muslims?

https://www.christianpost.com/news/...ted-raped-by-five-muslim-men-in-pakistan.html

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/sout...d-and-unfed-heart-wrenching-stories-pakistani

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...29-pakistani-girls-sold-brides-china-67561510

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congrats to <a href="https://twitter.com/BrendanOHaraMP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BrendanOHaraMP</a> for taking to the House of Commons to lobby the British Govt on behalf of Huma Younus, the Pakistan girl forced from her home, forced to abandon her Christian faith and forced to marry an older man. It's time for the misery to end. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BringHomeHuma?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BringHomeHuma</a> <a href="https://t.co/SwgoPCuOao">pic.twitter.com/SwgoPCuOao</a></p>— John Pontifex (@ACNJohnPontifex) <a href="https://twitter.com/ACNJohnPontifex/status/1225444788918505472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[mustang]

I heard that Palestine supports India as well on this Kashmir issue yet we burn our houses, cars and properties because of them.

Muslim Ummah seems like a myth these days tbh. No one cares about it anymore. Hope Pakistanis understand this and stand up for themselves and protect their identity.

Did not realize Palestine supports India after everything Pakistan is doing - going as far as not recognizing Israel and zero diplomatic relations. How come?

 

[Mamoon]

Yet we bend over backward for Saudi Arabia and Palestine. Palestinians are some of the most racist people I’ve ever known. They think south Asians are below them. Same with Arabs and how they treat Pakistanis diluting pilgrim.

Personally I support Israel on their Palestine Israel conflict. Israel puts up buildings and economies. Palestine bimbs buildings then cries wolf.

Less said about Arabia. We Pakistanis need to focus on our country our economy our people. We have already done too much and only been shot in the foot. Hopefully we’d have a strong economy with a thriving city in 30-50 years time.

We need to overcome the selective Ummah custodian syndrome and take a leaf from Saudis who have established unofficial diplomatic ties with Israel.

Israel’s human rights violations against the Palestinians cannot be justified but we live in a world of harsh realities - the truth is Palestine will never prevail and we need to leave them be.

We need to develop ties with Israel and it will benefit us tremendously in terms of trade and technological transfer. Apart from their treatment of Palestinians, Israel is a gift to this world in terms of their achievements and contributions.

If Pakistan ignores J&K and works towards peaceful ties with India and diplomatic relations with Israel, it will benefit us immensely in the long run.

The irrational and delusional public that dreams of the triumph of Kashmiris and Palestinians will call the state sell-outs, but the future generations will praise them as heroes.

After 73 years, it is time to rebuild our joke of a foreign policy and understand that fighting Kashmir’s war and opposing Israel has not benefited us at all.

 

[Bewal Express]

Your prayers being answered yet or what? Perhaps make time and pray more for the non-muslims?

https://www.christianpost.com/news/...ted-raped-by-five-muslim-men-in-pakistan.html

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/sout...d-and-unfed-heart-wrenching-stories-pakistani

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...29-pakistani-girls-sold-brides-china-67561510

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congrats to <a href="https://twitter.com/BrendanOHaraMP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BrendanOHaraMP</a> for taking to the House of Commons to lobby the British Govt on behalf of Huma Younus, the Pakistan girl forced from her home, forced to abandon her Christian faith and forced to marry an older man. It's time for the misery to end. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BringHomeHuma?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BringHomeHuma</a> <a href="https://t.co/SwgoPCuOao">pic.twitter.com/SwgoPCuOao</a></p>— John Pontifex (@ACNJohnPontifex) <a href="https://twitter.com/ACNJohnPontifex/status/1225444788918505472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I am against all injustice, as Muslims its our duty to look after non Muslims in our lands and we should expect the same in non Muslim countries. Evil is evil, who ever commits it.

 

[minamino]

Did not realize Palestine supports India after everything Pakistan is doing - going as far as not recognizing Israel and zero diplomatic relations. How come?

India is more economically powerful and has global clout whereas Pakistan economy and worldwide status is in dumps.

 

[Vastunna]

Most likely but even if he doesn’t it’s a different matter entirely.

Kashmir is a disputed territory between Pakistan and India and Pakistanis have links to it so obvious it will have more interest

If it is scenario 1 - Good on him.

If it is scenario 2 - Lol at compassion. It is political point scoring and please feel free to call it just that.

 

[sindhiboy]

I heard that Palestine supports India as well on this Kashmir issue yet we burn our houses, cars and properties because of them.

Muslim Ummah seems like a myth these days tbh. No one cares about it anymore. Hope Pakistanis understand this and stand up for themselves and protect their identity.

it was always a myth. corrupt governments can never form a coalition to work towards the benefit of every single muslim on this earth.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nah we need free ourselves from these Wahabis.

This is the key to end 100 years of humiliation.

If Pakistan was a little stronger it could just waltz into Riyadh and take over. Arabia doesn't belong to the Saudis and they are only temporary dictators.

 

[minamino]

This is the key to end 100 years of humiliation.

If Pakistan was a little stronger it could just waltz into Riyadh and take over. Arabia doesn't belong to the Saudis and they are only temporary dictators.

We can’t handle Islamabad and you want them to takeover Arabia. Pakistan is not the guardian of Arabs. We have our own country and identity

 

[PakLFC]

Time to give up on all Arab's and OIC. We need to form alliances with non Arab Muslim countries like Turkey, Iran, Malaysia, Morocco and Indonesia etc.

 

[PakLFC]

We can’t handle Islamabad and you want them to takeover Arabia. Pakistan is not the guardian of Arabs. We have our own country and identity

Better if neighbouring Arab countries take over Saudi. No need for Pak to get involved in Saudi or Arab fights.

 

[Greenstorm]

This is the key to end 100 years of humiliation.

If Pakistan was a little stronger it could just waltz into Riyadh and take over. Arabia doesn't belong to the Saudis and they are only temporary dictators.

This. We are the guardians of Hejaaz then why is it in the hands of an inept family ? Ideally, we and Turks should be controlling those Holy lands.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is the key to end 100 years of humiliation.

If Pakistan was a little stronger it could just waltz into Riyadh and take over. Arabia doesn't belong to the Saudis and they are only temporary dictators.

The Saudis are key allies of both US and other western countries. It would be kind of naive to think world powers are going to allow countries like Pakistan or Turkey to waltz into Riyadh unopposed.

 

[saeedhk]

The slave and the master.

Having cordial relationship with Saudi Arabia has brought us tremendous problems both culturally, socially and financially.

Saudis have funded thousands of Islamic seminaries in Pakistan which preach the Saudi’s extreme version of Islam. As a result, extremism has seeped into every segment of Pakistan’s society.

Besides, the Saudis have backed Sunni extremist terror organisations with the most notable, infamous and violent being the LeJ. The LeJ has massacred thousands of Shias in bomb and gun attacks with the alleged complicity of Pakistan’s security apparatus.

With increasing Saudi influence in the country, the local culture has seen a steady replacement of cultural garbs, rites and practices. Burqas, which were uncommon 40 years ago, are a common sight in Pakistan. Pakistanis have even started naming their businesses in Arabic.

Financially, the Saudis have been opposed to the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline for a long time. This pipeline would bring cheaper gas to Pakistan but all attempts to complete the pipeline have been met with Saudi threats.

In short, beggars cannot be choosers.I expect the Saudis to use Pakistan as a punching bad for years to come.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The slave and the master.

Having cordial relationship with Saudi Arabia has brought us tremendous problems both culturally, socially and financially.

Saudis have funded thousands of Islamic seminaries in Pakistan which preach the Saudi’s extreme version of Islam. As a result, extremism has seeped into every segment of Pakistan’s society.

Besides, the Saudis have backed Sunni extremist terror organisations with the most notable, infamous and violent being the LeJ. The LeJ has massacred thousands of Shias in bomb and gun attacks with the alleged complicity of Pakistan’s security apparatus.

With increasing Saudi influence in the country, the local culture has seen a steady replacement of cultural garbs, rites and practices. Burqas, which were uncommon 40 years ago, are a common sight in Pakistan. Pakistanis have even started naming their businesses in Arabic.

Financially, the Saudis have been opposed to the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline for a long time. This pipeline would bring cheaper gas to Pakistan but all attempts to complete the pipeline have been met with Saudi threats.

In short, beggars cannot be choosers.I expect the Saudis to use Pakistan as a punching bad for years to come.

Pakistan should ask for a refund from the Saudis. What is the point of ploughing millions into the Saudi state if Pakistan is going to be in financial straits as a result of it?

 

[Mamoon]

This. We are the guardians of Hejaaz then why is it in the hands of an inept family ? Ideally, we and Turks should be controlling those Holy lands.

And why are we the “guardians” of Hejaz?

 

[ahmedzee]

Time to give up on all Arab's and OIC. We need to form alliances with non Arab Muslim countries like Turkey, Iran, Malaysia, Morocco and Indonesia etc.

Morocco is Arab

 

[minamino]

And why are we the “guardians” of Hejaz?

Pakistan didn’t even exist then how is Pakistan the guardian of Hejaz?

 

[IndianHero]

KSA is investing billions of dollars into indian companies like reliance so its obvious that they won't hurt their customers like India inspite of what many pakistanis think of ummah on internet

 

[Hornbill]

KSA is investing billions of dollars into indian companies like reliance so its obvious that they won't hurt their customers like India inspite of what many pakistanis think of ummah on internet

As a result of this deal there is chance of more Indians dying in due to respiratory illness when 60% of the world will be using electric vehicles

 

[kk1992]

KSA is investing billions of dollars into indian companies like reliance so its obvious that they won't hurt their customers like India inspite of what many pakistanis think of ummah on internet

No one consider them part of ummah.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Saudis are key allies of both US and other western countries. It would be kind of naive to think world powers are going to allow countries like Pakistan or Turkey to waltz into Riyadh unopposed.

Wrong, Saudis are not allies they are puppets on a petrodollar string. I know they don't teach relevant history in school but it was the British who installed the Saudis and along with the Yanks are being protected. USA wont remain a superpower for ever, possibly wont last another 3 decades. After this if Pakistan and Turkey are still strong, they can easily walk in and take over. Only then will the fortunes of the Muslim world change for the better.

 

[miandadrules]

Wrong, Saudis are not allies they are puppets on a petrodollar string. I know they don't teach relevant history in school but it was the British who installed the Saudis and along with the Yanks are being protected. USA wont remain a superpower for ever, possibly wont last another 3 decades. After this if Pakistan and Turkey are still strong, they can easily walk in and take over. Only then will the fortunes of the Muslim world change for the better.

And how much bloodshed will be spilt in the fantasy?

 

[Mamoon]

USA wont remain a superpower for ever, possibly wont last another 3 decades. After this if Pakistan and Turkey are still strong, they can easily walk in and take over. Only then will the fortunes of the Muslim world change for the better.

Sounds like the wet dream of Zaid Hamid after snorting coke.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We can’t handle Islamabad and you want them to takeover Arabia. Pakistan is not the guardian of Arabs. We have our own country and identity

The Saudis are key allies of both US and other western countries. It would be kind of naive to think world powers are going to allow countries like Pakistan or Turkey to waltz into Riyadh unopposed.

Sounds like the wet dream of Zaid Hamid after snorting coke.

Of course to a staunch supporter of Modi RSS it will be. Try reading some history, no one power stays powerful forever. We also know your economics is poor too but check the debt USA is in.

 

[miandadrules]

Of course to a staunch supporter of Modi RSS it will be. Try reading some history, no one power stays powerful forever. We also know your economics is poor too but check the debt USA is in.

Ergo you have done the relevant research.

Please post your sources and the salient point. It will be a fascinating read.

 

[Mamoon]

Of course to a staunch supporter of Modi RSS it will be. Try reading some history, no one power stays powerful forever. We also know your economics is poor too but check the debt USA is in.

Your intellect puts Aristotle and Socrates to shame, so I am all ears.

Please ignore my ignorant mind your logic behind the assumption that the U.S. will not deal with its economic downturn but Pakistan will, and not only will Pakistan improve economically, it will be in pole position (along with Turkey) to become the superpower once the decline of the U.S. is complete.

 

[Waleed93]

Try and hide your delight at "your" country's humiliation.

Instead of gloating, think about the Kashmiris who are suffering - its called compassion.

Some people are just born to bark without thinking about their choice of words.

There is something called patriotism and pride and we all feel hurt whenever our country suffers because of dirty politics, only a shameless person suffering from an identity crisis who has no objective in life would be happy to see "his" country being humilated.

 

[Mamoon]

Some people are just born to bark without thinking about their choice of words.

There is something called patriotism and pride and we all feel hurt whenever our country suffers because of dirty politics, only a shameless person suffering from an identity crisis who has no objective in life would be happy to see "his" country being humilated.

When your country is responsible for its own humiliation, patriotism and pride have no purpose. Pakistan is not suffering because of dirty politics; Pakistan is suffering because of its own dirty games which always blows up in our faces but we never learn.

The fact that our PM, the self-appointed savior of Pakistan, cannot attend a regional summit without the permission of KSA who then blatantly disrespects us is down to our own blunders and ill-judgement.

 

[Waleed93]

When your country is responsible for its own humiliation, patriotism and pride have no purpose. Pakistan is not suffering because of dirty politics; Pakistan is suffering because of its own dirty games which always blows up in our faces but we never learn.

The fact that our PM, the self-appointed savior of Pakistan, cannot attend a regional summit without the permission of KSA who then blatantly disrespects us is down to our own blunders and ill-judgement.

Pakistan the country is not responsible for the current situation. Pakistani leaders are.

You could criticise Imran or any other politician for putting Pakistan in such a state where even our allies are not real allies, you could even blame some of our yesteryears' generals for it, but you have to be at a whole new level of shamelessness if you start gloating about "your" country suffering at the International level.

You literally remind me of Adnan Sami, the guy who has had no real identity throughout his life.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan the country is not responsible for the current situation. Pakistani leaders are.

You could criticise Imran or any other politician for putting Pakistan in such a state where even our allies are not real allies, you could even blame some of our yesteryears' generals for it, but you have to be at a whole new level of shamelessness if you start gloating about "your" country suffering at the International level.

You literally remind me of Adnan Sami, the guy who has had no real identity throughout his life.

Adnan Sami didn’t have an identity until he found his home in India. Unfortunately, I do have an identity since I was born and brought up in Pakistan by two Pakistani parents.

However, I am not proud of my identity. There is nothing to be proud of. We are a laughing stock and we have only ourselves to blame.

A country itself is nothing without its so-called leaders and decision-makers, and they are nothing to be proud of.

 

[cric_man]

Adnan Sami didn’t have an identity until he found his home in India. Unfortunately, I do have an identity since I was born and brought up in Pakistan by two Pakistani parents.

However, I am not proud of my identity. There is nothing to be proud of. We are a laughing stock and we have only ourselves to blame.

A country itself is nothing without its so-called leaders and decision-makers, and they are nothing to be proud of.

But whatever you are, is because of this wretched country....

 

[Vastunna]

Of course to a staunch supporter of Modi RSS it will be. Try reading some history, no one power stays powerful forever. We also know your economics is poor too but check the debt USA is in.

And if we may ask the well read sooth sayer, what is the debt status of Pakistan ??

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Do you feel likewise about every Muslim suffering at all corners of the globe ??

If something bad happens to our fellow humans the overwhelmingly majority of people will feel compassion towards them. However we feel worse for people who are closest to us. For Pakistanis this would be the order for compassion:

1 - To Pakistanis and Kashmiri Muslims.
2 - To other Subcontinent Muslims
3 - To other Muslims else where in the World
4 - To Non Muslim Subcontinent people
5 - To Non Muslims in the rest of the World

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Long live India Arab Friendship.

Lol Desi Muslims suck up so much to these Arabs and even try to emulate their way of living and culture but get nothing in return.

Do they speak Arabic?
Do they listen to Arab Music?
Do they eat Arab food?
Do they wear Arab clothing?

The answer for the above is no.

Because subcontinent Muslims have a different culture than subcontinent Hindus does not make the culture Arab.

 

[gazza619]

OIC is an irrelevant body and should be abolished.

Kashmir is an internal issue anyway, and so Pakistan need to take it up to India direct.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Adnan Sami didn’t have an identity until he found his home in India. Unfortunately, I do have an identity since I was born and brought up in Pakistan by two Pakistani parents.

However, I am not proud of my identity. There is nothing to be proud of. We are a laughing stock and we have only ourselves to blame.

A country itself is nothing without its so-called leaders and decision-makers, and they are nothing to be proud of.

Why are you not proud of your identity?

Whatever little you have, is because of the country you live in.

Growing up, my grandfather and later my parents drilled two things into our minds( me my sibling,cousins)

1. Ask what you have done for your country, before asking what your country has done for you. Its a quote often said to be from JFKs speech

2. Everything can be sacrificed for the country, but the country cannot be sacrificed for anything.

You may not like what your country is today, doesnt mean you cannot work to change it tommorow.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As a result of this deal there is chance of more Indians dying in due to respiratory illness when 60% of the world will be using electric vehicles

When is this going to happen?

 

[Thomaskutty]

This is humiliating for Pakistan .. a country that prides itself on its muslim identity and islamic brotherhood with other middle eastern countries, has been told by OIC members to go away, more or less.

Maybe time for some humility and build up some standing in the world first.

 

[Thomaskutty]

I remember many posters here were pushing for Pakistan to mediate between Iran and Saudi Arabia a couple of months ago.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is humiliating for Pakistan .. a country that prides itself on its muslim identity and islamic brotherhood with other middle eastern countries, has been told by OIC members to go away, more or less.

Maybe time for some humility and build up some standing in the world first.

Yes of course. They should come bow their heads and tug their forelocks to their neighbours, I am in agreement my Hindu friend.

 

[Mamoon]

I remember many posters here were pushing for Pakistan to mediate between Iran and Saudi Arabia a couple of months ago.

It was only Imran’s naivety and delusion. You can only play the role of mediator when you have leverage and credibility.

How will we mediate between Iran and Saudi when we beg the latter for money?

Saudi showed us our place twice in the last couple of months. First, they stopped our PM from attending the KL summit and now they have poured cold water on our Kashmir narrative.

But the real question is - when will we learn?

 

[Technics 1210]

It was only Imran’s naivety and delusion. You can only play the role of mediator when you have leverage and credibility.

How will we mediate between Iran and Saudi when we beg the latter for money?

Saudi showed us our place twice in the last couple of months. First, they stopped our PM from attending the KL summit and now they have poured cold water on our Kashmir narrative.

But the real question is - when will we learn?

Well you clearly didnt learn having voted for PTI/IK.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It was only Imran’s naivety and delusion. You can only play the role of mediator when you have leverage and credibility.

How will we mediate between Iran and Saudi when we beg the latter for money?

Saudi showed us our place twice in the last couple of months. First, they stopped our PM from attending the KL summit and now they have poured cold water on our Kashmir narrative.

But the real question is - when will we learn?

I don't think Pakistanis in their current mentality of being first among equals are in a position to learn. They will have to give up their cultural pride and possibly even their religion. Perhaps if they became Buddhists or low caste Hindus, they would be better positioned to beg to their neighbours. Although whether their neighbours themselves are in a position to dole out charity I doubt.

 

[Mamoon]

Well you clearly didnt learn having voted for PTI/IK.

I thought so to, but now I am happy to have played my part in ensuring that PTI government gets exposed at a federal and global level, so that their circus ends, and their chapter is closed.

This too shall pass, and history will remember their tenure as one of the darkest period in Pakistan’s history.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I thought so to, but now I am happy to have played my part in ensuring that PTI government gets exposed at a federal and global level, so that their circus ends, and their chapter is closed.

This too shall pass, and history will remember their tenure as one of the darkest period in Pakistan’s history.

According to you,

PTI or any govt is a puppet of the army. So whats the difference if you change the puppet?

 

[Mamoon]

According to you,

PTI or any govt is a puppet of the army. So whats the difference if you change the puppet?

Nothing, but at least we won’t hear other parties beat the tabdeeli drum. If PTI and their supporters acknowledge that Imran has taken shameless U-turns on Musharraf treason case and and COAS extension, people will not be so critical.

They call themselves revolutionaries but then they end up doing what other parties do.

Pakistan as a country will not go anywhere as long as our foreign office is the military HQ. Regional peace is against their interests.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nothing, but at least we won’t hear other parties beat the tabdeeli drum. If PTI and their supporters acknowledge that Imran has taken shameless U-turns on Musharraf treason case and and COAS extension, people will not be so critical.

They call themselves revolutionaries but then they end up doing what other parties do.

Pakistan as a country will not go anywhere as long as our foreign office is the military HQ. Regional peace is against their interests.

Peace is against any army's interest.

Anyone who wants to be in power in pakistan toes the Army line. Why only criticize Imran?

If one tries to disagree, he becomes Sharif or ZAB.

 

[Mamoon]

Peace is against any army's interest.

Anyone who wants to be in power in pakistan toes the Army line. Why only criticize Imran?

If one tries to disagree, he becomes Sharif or ZAB.

Because Imran made tall claims that he will put an end to military dominance. When you make tall claims and don’t follow up, you will be criticized.

Imran is a unique politician whose own past words and statements are his biggest opposition.

The opposition leaders don’t have to say anything.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

According to you,

PTI or any govt is a puppet of the army. So whats the difference if you change the puppet?

Do you have proof that the PTI is the puppet of the army or is that just your view through Hindutva-vision specs?

 

[Mamoon]

Do you have proof that the PTI is the puppet of the army or is that just your view through Hindutva-vision specs?

Why do you think Imran took U-turns on Musharraf treason case and the Army Chief extension?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why do you think Imran took U-turns on Musharraf treason case and the Army Chief extension?

I was asking joshila bhai if he has proof for his assertions. Everyone is entitled to their own theories, but dangerous to pass them off as fact unless you can back it up. Especially if you are an Indian who tells everyone else to mind their own business when it comes to discussing India.

 

[Waleed93]

Adnan Sami didn’t have an identity until he found his home in India. Unfortunately, I do have an identity since I was born and brought up in Pakistan by two Pakistani parents.

However, I am not proud of my identity. There is nothing to be proud of. We are a laughing stock and we have only ourselves to blame.

A country itself is nothing without its so-called leaders and decision-makers, and they are nothing to be proud of.

Your last sentence is what you should have said straight away, a country depends on it's leaders and citizens. Do you think that the USA would have been the superpower they are today if their politicians were as corrupt and incompetent as Pakistani politicians ? Would any European country survive if only 2% of it's citizens pay taxes ?

The fact of the matter is that we can complain as much as we want today, but only we are responsible for this mess and not the country itself. Whatever your are today, is because of this identity you hate.

They are many countries who are in a bigger mess than Pakistan, do you think their citizens are not proud of those countries ? Take Afghanistan's example, the country is ruined since many decades, and their people are suffering 10 times more on the international level than the average Pakistani. Yet, when it comes to the pride and the protection of their identity, Afghan people are ready to fight against any superpower, and it doesn't matter if it is USA or Russia.

You have problems with Pakistan's policies, criticise those who are in charge of these matters instead of feeling happy about "Pakistan's humiliation" and nobody would question your loyalty and love towards the country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Do you have proof that the PTI is the puppet of the army or is that just your view through Hindutva-vision specs?

Read. My post again.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I was asking joshila bhai if he has proof for his assertions. Everyone is entitled to their own theories, but dangerous to pass them off as fact unless you can back it up. Especially if you are an Indian who tells everyone else to mind their own business when it comes to discussing India.

Read my post again. I didnot make any assertions.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Read. My post again.

I just did, seems your relatively poor use of English grammar makes it read different to what you probably meant. Not your fault, English isn't your first language.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I just did, seems your relatively poor use of English grammar makes it read different to what you probably meant. Not your fault, English isn't your first language.

Your inability to read or comprehend isnt anyones problem. Not your fault, english isnt your strongest forte.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Your inability to read or comprehend isnt anyones problem. Not your fault, english isnt your strongest forte.

Actually it is. It's better than most native born Brits if truth be told.

I wasn't trying to insult your English by the way, if anything I was acknowledging that it isn't your first language.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because Imran made tall claims that he will put an end to military dominance. When you make tall claims and don’t follow up, you will be criticized.

Imran is a unique politician whose own past words and statements are his biggest opposition.

The opposition leaders don’t have to say anything.

Name a few leaders who didnt make tall election promises.

 

[Technics 1210]

I thought so to, but now I am happy to have played my part in ensuring that PTI government gets exposed at a federal and global level, so that their circus ends, and their chapter is closed.

This too shall pass, and history will remember their tenure as one of the darkest period in Pakistan’s history.

So you admit to voting for Imran Khan.

Nothing more to add.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Why do you think Imran took U-turns on Musharraf treason case and the Army Chief extension?

None of the other parties challenged the decision either
We all have to accept the Army in Pakistan like ceasar and Augustus have huge power in Pakistan
Reminds me of the Turkish overlords of the Delhi sultanate who were constantly in conflict with the Iranian overlords

Can't think of any country that currently doesnt have a game of thrones
The American president has made a few u turns on foreign policy too
The Iranians wouldn't let one of their former pms run again because he was so critical