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Saudi Arabia plans to build a new $500 billion metropolis that spans three countries.

The development, called NEOM, was announced at a conference on Tuesday by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. It's the latest in a series of mega projects designed to reshape the kingdom's economy.

It is nothing if not ambitious.

"We try to work only with the dreamers," the young crown prince told investors gathered in Riyadh. "This place is not for conventional people or companies."

Plans call for the city to be powered entirely by regenerative energy, while also making use of automated driving technology and passenger drones. Wireless hi-speed internet will be free.

"All services and processes in NEOM will be 100% fully automated, with the goal of becoming the most efficient destination in the world," the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund said in a statement.

The city, which will be independent of the kingdom's "existing governmental framework," will be built across 26,500 square kilometers (10,231 square miles) near the Red Sea. According to the fund's statement, its land mass "will extend across the Egyptian and Jordanian borders."

"NEOM will be constructed from the ground-up, on greenfield sites, allowing it a unique opportunity to be distinguished from all other places that have been developed and constructed over hundreds of years," the fund said in a statement.

The project will be backed by $500 billion from the Saudi government and its investment fund, as well as local and international investors.

It has caught the attention of foreign investors including SoftBank (SFTBF) founder Masayoshi Son and Blackstone CEO Stephen Schwarzman, who joined the crown price on a panel dedicated to the project.

"NEOM is a fantastic opportunity," Son said on Tuesday. "In the beginning i didn't understand, but when I visited the location, i said 'Wow.' "

Son said his Softbank Vision Fund, which counts Saudi Arabia as its biggest investor, would put money toward the new project.

The crown prince said there no set timeline for the development.

"This is a challenge," he said. "We know this takes time ... we are under pressure to deliver something new and to give innovative ideas."

Saudi Arabia has made a string of big announcements recently that are aimed at diversifying its economy away from oil.

The country said in September that it would pump almost $3 billion into its entertainment industry.

In August, it launched a tourism project that consists of 100 miles of sandy coastline and a lagoon with 50 islands. The project even caught the eye of billionaire Richard Branson.

A year and a half into the efforts, officials have made progress on some parts of the broader plan -- known as Vision 2030 -- but also flip-flopped on others.

The government has cut some subsidies, announced new taxes and lifted a controversial ban on women driving. It also tapped global bond markets three times in less than a year, borrowing billions to balance its books.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/24/news/economy/saudi-arabia-mega-city-neom/index.html
 
500 billion to build a city? How much cash reserve they have right now?
 
Why not invest in a already existing city to enhance economy, wouldn’t that be cheaper?
 
Mate, trust me, you'd grow old counting it. Even the Saudis don't know how much wealth they possess atm.

But in that article in the OP it says "The government has cut some subsidies, announced new taxes and lifted a controversial ban on women driving. It also tapped global bond markets three times in less than a year, borrowing billions to balance its books."
 
But in that article in the OP it says "The government has cut some subsidies, announced new taxes and lifted a controversial ban on women driving. It also tapped global bond markets three times in less than a year, borrowing billions to balance its books."

I'm also counting their foreign investments in UK, USA etc as their wealth
 
These changes are the result of the Crown Prince, who is continuously endeavouring to end the extra-conservative landscape of the Saudi into a less conservative and moderate one. He has already lifted the Women Driving Ban, and it seems Cinemas are returning to the KSA along with many other entertainment avenues.

All this is a response to their need to diversify away from Oil and align themselves with the rest of the world.
 
White elephant written all over it at this stage.

Had to google it:
it is an object, building project, scheme, business venture, facility, etc., considered expensive but without use or value

IMO it can be done and will be a game changer for Saudi Arabia's future once oil runs out. It is a preparation for future.
 
Iran has $00bn of frozen assets abroad. I think counting on those as assets is unreliable at best.

Mate you just cannot compare how Iran and KSA are viewed by UK/USA.

KSA is the golden egg laying hen whereas Iran is just an irritating bee.

UK/USA have enough trust on KSA to allow them to take some of their assets back whereas we all know how Iran is being dealt with nowadays.
 
since this new king wants to modernize Saudia, does that mean they will stop exporting extremist version of Islam, Wahabizm to Pakistan?
 
Saudi Arabia is going to be a major player in the future of this world. Their population is exploding, majority of it is under 25 and the state is putting all its money to work.

To understand where the Saudis are coming from with this, one needs to realize how our current cities are built. All cities today have been designed around one thing, roads. That is because vehicles and cars are our main method of transportation.

The cities of the future need to designed differently because the future is all about autonomous vehicles, driver-less cars, and drones. The shape of our buildings will have to change once air traffic becomes the norm and so will the layout of the cities.

I think this is a very interesting idea but I'm not sure if Saudi should be leading the way. They are the only ones with the financial capacity to do something like this however and they have recently been building quite a few cities so I'm sure they have put some thought to it. Still pretty ambitious from the habibis.
 
Mate, trust me, you'd grow old counting it. Even the Saudis don't know how much wealth they possess atm.
They don't have as much money as they had 2~4 years back, before tar sands became a thing. In fact their reserves are dwindling right now, this is a move to make money from alternate sources. Whether it's successful or not will depend on a lot of other factors, including China.
 
Well done to the Saudis to be thinking this far-ahead. Kudos to them if they can do it.
 
They don't have as much money as they had 2~4 years back, before tar sands became a thing. In fact their reserves are dwindling right now, this is a move to make money from alternate sources. Whether it's successful or not will depend on a lot of other factors, including China.

If the reserves are dwindling then it is only due to their lifestyles which can no longer be supported by-like you said-fossil fuels, as the prices have dropped drastically since the past few years.
 
Saudi Arabia is going to be a major player in the future of this world. Their population is exploding, majority of it is under 25 and the state is putting all its money to work.

To understand where the Saudis are coming from with this, one needs to realize how our current cities are built. All cities today have been designed around one thing, roads. That is because vehicles and cars are our main method of transportation.

The cities of the future need to designed differently because the future is all about autonomous vehicles, driver-less cars, and drones. The shape of our buildings will have to change once air traffic becomes the norm and so will the layout of the cities.

I think this is a very interesting idea but I'm not sure if Saudi should be leading the way. They are the only ones with the financial capacity to do something like this however and they have recently been building quite a few cities so I'm sure they have put some thought to it. Still pretty ambitious from the habibis.

i believe when it comes to travelling of the future, short or long distance, Arab countries will be leading the rest of the world, simply because they are willing to spend money. example would be Dubai.
 
Saudi needs to allow massive incentives for any big global companies to invest in Saudi. Their lifestyle is oppressive, their education system is stuck in the 6th century. An autocratic government. Almost all of workforce is male and massively overpaid.
Saudi must do more than allow women to drive and free internet in order to allow massive investment inside the country.
 
Saudi needs to allow massive incentives for any big global companies to invest in Saudi. Their lifestyle is oppressive, their education system is stuck in the 6th century. An autocratic government. Almost all of workforce is male and massively overpaid.
Saudi must do more than allow women to drive and free internet in order to allow massive investment inside the country.

Not in retail and small-scale businesses though I do agree with the overpaid part.
 
KSA foreign reserves dropped 13 % during last (it's a huge drop considering they made 17 Rival by selling islamic bonds)
Reserves are now less than 500 B and dropping fast to cover annual budget deficit .
 
Yet again it is proved that religion is used as nothing but a tool as per convenience of the rulers. Its functions are dictated by Economics.
 
Saudi needs to allow massive incentives for any big global companies to invest in Saudi. Their lifestyle is oppressive, their education system is stuck in the 6th century. An autocratic government. Almost all of workforce is male and massively overpaid.
Saudi must do more than allow women to drive and free internet in order to allow massive investment inside the country.

There is only 1 difference between 'Big Global Companies' and evil Dictators: --> Dictators die after a few decades but companies remain there exploiting population/natural resources/life.

See Africa as a ref.
 
Mate, trust me, you'd grow old counting it. Even the Saudis don't know how much wealth they possess atm.

Common misconception! They are burning it at a very fast pace........

Saudi Arabia is staring at an economic downward spiral over the next decade unless it acts urgently now. The oil money fueled, wahabi ideological chauvinistic stance will fall into tatters in face of the perfect storm collecting over its heads!

The issue is the governance is absolutely clueless how to go about it!
 
I'd welcome this if they can take millions of labor from Pakistan. More Pakistani labor force in Saudi means more remittances.
 
I'd welcome this if they can take millions of labor from Pakistan. More Pakistani labor force in Saudi means more remittances.

It will be Pakistanis/Indian/BDeshis who will work on construction sites.

Cheap expendable workforce.
 
Common misconception! They are burning it at a very fast pace........

Saudi Arabia is staring at an economic downward spiral over the next decade unless it acts urgently now. The oil money fueled, wahabi ideological chauvinistic stance will fall into tatters in face of the perfect storm collecting over its heads!

The issue is the governance is absolutely clueless how to go about it!

Mera Bhai, I had been living in KSA from 2002-2017 so I know them inside-out.

They have the money but the problem is that they can't afford their lifestyles anymore due to falling oil prices in the last few years. Plus, the younger generation is also not happy with the current "oldies" in the government. This younger generation are the ones sent to USA for studies therefore they feel the need to have better policies and approach towards lifestyle which, I must say, is boring af.
 
All of these recent steps towards liberalization in their own country will probably have no bearing on their peddling and propagating Wahhabism outside their borders. Ever since that extremist takeover of the Holy Mosque in the late 70's, it has been their policy to placate the Wahhabi religious establishment by allowing them to do as they please... outside the country. That keeps their maulvis busy while the royals live their debauched, decadent lives. That aspect may actually get worse.
 
All of these recent steps towards liberalization in their own country will probably have no bearing on their peddling and propagating Wahhabism outside their borders. Ever since that extremist takeover of the Holy Mosque in the late 70's, it has been their policy to placate the Wahhabi religious establishment by allowing them to do as they please... outside the country. That keeps their maulvis busy while the royals live their debauched, decadent lives. That aspect may actually get worse.

This.

I feel like it'll be one of those ghost Chinese cities.
 
since this new king wants to modernize Saudia, does that mean they will stop exporting extremist version of Islam, Wahabizm to Pakistan?
Trust me, we are self sufficient in that department with a lot surplus still left in our psychological coffers!
 
All of these recent steps towards liberalization in their own country will probably have no bearing on their peddling and propagating Wahhabism outside their borders. Ever since that extremist takeover of the Holy Mosque in the late 70's, it has been their policy to placate the Wahhabi religious establishment by allowing them to do as they please... outside the country. That keeps their maulvis busy while the royals live their debauched, decadent lives. That aspect may actually get worse.

They are looking at tourism as the primary sector which can help their economy. They cant afford to have conflicts at least in their neighbouring countries. Lets see how this pans out if they cut off funds to terror groups.
 
All of these recent steps towards liberalization in their own country will probably have no bearing on their peddling and propagating Wahhabism outside their borders. Ever since that extremist takeover of the Holy Mosque in the late 70's, it has been their policy to placate the Wahhabi religious establishment by allowing them to do as they please... outside the country. That keeps their maulvis busy while the royals live their debauched, decadent lives. That aspect may actually get worse.

Funny thing, Mohammad Bin Salman (guy running the country) recently said Saudis weren't this extremist before the 70s. Wonder if he was implying about the same incident...apparently 70s is when the Iranian Revolution happened too.
 
All of these recent steps towards liberalization in their own country will probably have no bearing on their peddling and propagating Wahhabism outside their borders. Ever since that extremist takeover of the Holy Mosque in the late 70's, it has been their policy to placate the Wahhabi religious establishment by allowing them to do as they please... outside the country. That keeps their maulvis busy while the royals live their debauched, decadent lives. That aspect may actually get worse.

That doesn't stand up to scrutiny. If they are preaching one thing outside their borders, and something else inside, inevitably that will come back to bite them on the behind. The liberalisation being a classic example. Saudis were always upheld as the most extreme and fundamentalist Islamic state, if they are no longer practising it, then it will obviously be difficult to preach it anywhere else.
 
Funny thing, Mohammad Bin Salman (guy running the country) recently said Saudis weren't this extremist before the 70s. Wonder if he was implying about the same incident...apparently 70s is when the Iranian Revolution happened too.

I think that incident had more to do with it than the Iranian revolution. Up to that point, the alliance between the House of Saud and the followers of Abdul Wahab had not faced any outright crisis, despite the latter objecting to any and all trappings of modernization. There were reports of tensions between the two for years, but nothing of this magnitude.

I think what really helped the royals was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. That allowed them to channel and divert all of that pent-up Wahhabi angst towards those Godless commies occupying a Muslim land. For a decade or so anyway.

Its fascinating how history throws up these perfect storms of concurrent events, and how acts by individuals and states alike resonate for decades afterwards, usually with consequences that the protagonists hadn't truly fathomed.
 
That doesn't stand up to scrutiny. If they are preaching one thing outside their borders, and something else inside, inevitably that will come back to bite them on the behind. The liberalisation being a classic example. Saudis were always upheld as the most extreme and fundamentalist Islamic state, if they are no longer practising it, then it will obviously be difficult to preach it anywhere else.

But they've been doing this for years anyhow. What has changed is the pace of it, and perhaps the fact that the heir to the throne has started to actually articulate it. Their deradicalization program, which they subject Saudi terrorists to, is known to be effective, and they are quick to clamp down on any hint of militancy within their borders, all while it is an open secret that the myriad of Wahhabi outfits in Pakistan are on their payroll.

As long as a war rages in Syria, as long as they can play up the Iranian bogeyman, and as long as they can find Wahhabi cause celebres somewhere, they will think they can pull it off.
 
That said, if this princeling truly feels that the young population has distanced itself from Wahhabism, and the Wahhabi establishment isn't a threat anymore, we will discover that his royal blood is thicker than his Wahhabi water. If Wahhabi outfits the world over lost their patron, it will be interesting to see which ways the dominoes fall.

We may actually see Aziza K dangling from a rope, and that will be sight for sore eyes.
 
I read a while back that Saudi still has over 300 billion barrels of oil reserves which should last another 80 to 90 years, so the oil isnt running out any time soon. But its a good play that they are at least now trying to get out of the oil game into other businesses. They might try and be another version of Dubai.
 
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