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Important details about Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman’s Pakistan visit

ISLAMABAD: Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman (MBS), is scheduled to land in Islamabad on Sunday for an overnight stay, would be staying in the Prime Minister’s House while other members of his huge entourage would be lodged in local hotels and the Punjab House.

Here are the important details:

  • Saudi Crown Prince is scheduled to visit Pakistan next week.
  • The Crown Prince is expected to visit on afternoon and he will return on next day afternoon.
  • Five trucks full of Prince Mohammed bin Salman's personal amenities have reached Islamabad. The Prince's exercise equipment, furniture and other personal belongings have also reached Islamabad.
  • 80 containers will be shipped to Islamabad for the Royal entourage’s stay.
  • The vehicles to be used by the Crown Prince will reach here a day before his landing.
  • Renovation of the official residence of the Prime Minister that started last week would be completed later this week for the Royal guest.
  • Crown Prince Muhammad will be the first state guest to stay at the government building reserved for the prime minister of Pakistan.
  • Saudi security officials had brought their own coaches and young security staff for required arrangements.
  • The army will be deployed at important points during the visit of Crown Prince Salman.
  • Prime Minister Imran Khan will receive the guest at the airport.
  • Saudi crown prince’s delegation will comprise about 1,100 officials and businessmen.
  • Prince Muhammad bin Salman will be the guest of honour at international investment conference scheduled to be held here next week.
  • A 40-member Saudi delegation, and over 100 Saudi and Pakistani business leaders will attend the international event.
  • Negotiations will also be held to attract Saudi investment in Bahawalpur solar plants, and power plants in Haveli Bahadur Shah and Bhikki.
  • During visit of the Saudi Crown Prince, both sides are ready to sign four memorandums of understanding (MoUs) worth $15 billion.
  • The government plans to provide 20-year tax holiday on establishment of oil refinery at Gwadar.
  • A private businessmen delegation of over 40 CEOs of Aramco and other giants would be accompanying the crown prince in his upcoming visit.


https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/4...wn-prince-mohammad-bin-salmans-pakistan-visit
 
Saudi prince likely to sign $10bn MoUs during upcoming visit

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are expected to ink three major memorandum of understanding (MoUs) amounting to over $10 billion during the upcoming visit of Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) to the country.

“Three mega government-to-government MoUs will be signed and their total volume will be in double digit billion dollars,” Board of Investment (BoI) Chairman Haroon Sharif told Dawn on Monday.

He said the three MOUs will be signed in the fields of oil refining, liquefied natural gas (LNG) and mineral development.

Prince MBS is paying his first two-day visit to Pakistan, most likely, on Feb 16 on the invitation of Prime Minister Imran Khan.

Besides the MoUs, other business agreements are also likely to be signed between businessmen and industrialist of the two sides. “A group of top 40 Saudi businessmen is accompanying Prince Mohammed. The delegation will interact with the local business community. It is expected that some other private level agreements will also be inked during the visit,” the BoI chief said.

Talking about an oil refinery that Saudi Arabia will set up at Gwadar, Mr Sharif said the facility will be established at a cost of $8 billion. “Besides foreign investment, it will also provide job opportunities to the locals of the port city. If they [Saudis] also establish a petrochemical complex along with the refinery, it will require an additional investment of billions of dollars,” he added.

The BoI chief said the Saudi government was keen to install an oil refinery at Gwadar and further urged the preparation of a feasibility report in this regard.

Responding to a query regarding China’s reaction over Saudis investment in Gwadar, Mr Sharif said the former had no objection over the latter’s plan to establish an oil refinery. “In fact the area where Saudis will install the refinery will exactly be determined after feasibility study. However, it will be far away from the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC),” he claimed.

Responding to a question as to why Saudi Arabia has suddenly come up with huge investment plans in Pakistan, the board’s chairman said, “The leadership of Prime Minister Imran Khan and his commitment of ensuring transparency in Pakistan are the reasons behind much ambitious foreign investment in the country.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1463371/saudi-prince-likely-to-sign-10bn-mous-during-upcoming-visit
 
Looks like the Crown Prince is not happy with the hospitality arrangements in the newly established Madinah state.

Is he actually bringing along his furniture for an overnight stay? How obnoxious can one get?

Granted that we are going to make his ego bigger by begging for more money, but this is just ridiculous.
 
Bringing his own furniture? Is he bringing his own bedsheet and carpet too?
 
Looks like the Crown Prince is not happy with the hospitality arrangements in the newly established Madinah state.

Is he actually bringing along his furniture for an overnight stay? How obnoxious can one get?

Granted that we are going to make his ego bigger by begging for more money, but this is just ridiculous.

This is normal routine for the Sheikhs. Generally, will you ever miss an opportunity to not degrade Pakistan? Same country that has provided for you so have some shame.
 
This is how a King goes to visit another country i guess when theh had no flight carrying things by sea and land. Even then it makes more sense to carry that many things because his travel plan will be a few weeks long including the journey time. But now when these things are followed by Saudis when there are luxurious hotels and presidential suites available nearly in every country.
 
Looks like the Crown Prince is not happy with the hospitality arrangements in the newly established Madinah state.

Is he actually bringing along his furniture for an overnight stay? How obnoxious can one get?

Granted that we are going to make his ego bigger by begging for more money, but this is just ridiculous.
What we get here matters and i am sure it will bring positive news. Khan has done well in his short stay as PM though you dont like him whatever he does .
 
I don't blame MBS, I never go abroad without my running machine, exercise bike and weights :)
 
That is what true royalty is.

All is good for as long MBS remains a friend and brother of Pakistan awaam.

Bismillah.
 
What we get here matters and i am sure it will bring positive news. Khan has done well in his short stay as PM though you dont like him whatever he does .

I still remember when AA Zardari officially toured Saudia & mideast he has to cut short his tour as no senior official met him a very cold welcome from them. It was the most shambolic tour of any Pakistani highest official till date.
 
Looks like the Crown Prince is not happy with the hospitality arrangements in the newly established Madinah state.

Is he actually bringing along his furniture for an overnight stay? How obnoxious can one get?

Granted that we are going to make his ego bigger by begging for more money, but this is just ridiculous.

Bringing his own furniture? Is he bringing his own bedsheet and carpet too?

This is not uncommon.

He does the same everywhere.

Gaddafi did similar. Even US and UK
 
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This is arguably the most important trip to Pakistan by a foreign leader in our history.

In recent times only Xi's visit in 2014/15 was equal in importance and significance
 
Airspace will be shut down, cellphone services partially suspended and main routes closed to heavy traffic in Islamabad and Rawalpindi over the weekend to ensure security during Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman's upcoming two-day visit to Pakistan, police sources told DawnNewsTV on Wednesday.

The crown prince, at the invitation of Prime Minister Imran Khan, will visit Pakistan on Feb 16 and 17. Mohammad bin Salman will be accompanied by a high-powered delegation including other members of the royal family, key ministers and leading businessmen.

During his stay, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia will be signing a number of agreements and MoUs related to diverse sectors, including investment, finance, power, renewable energy, internal security, media, culture and sports.

According to an Arab News report quoting Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry, the crown prince will be the first state guest to stay at the official residence of the Prime Minister of Pakistan. Chaudhry said the crown prince's own security team would be guarding PM House during his stay, alongside on-duty Pakistani security officials.

As part of security measures planned for the crown prince's visit, there will be over 1,000 check points set up in Islamabad and Rawalpindi, and law enforcement officials will be posted along the twin cities' main routes, from which heavy traffic will be barred for two days. The metro bus service will remain restricted to Rawalpindi, the sources said.

Additionally, shoot-on-sight orders have been issued for drones and other remote-controlled aviation toys, the sources added.

Arab News reported that Saudi security and intelligence officials are expected to be present across the capital for the two days that the crown prince is visiting.

According to security sources, luxury vehicles from Saudi Arabia were brought to Nur Khan Airbase on Wednesday on two C-130 aircraft. The cars include seven BMW 7 series and one Land Cruiser.

The crown prince's personal belongings have been transported to Prime Minister House in eight containers, sources told DawnNewsTV.

Sources said as many as 750 rooms have been booked in eight Islamabad hotels for the Saudi guests. The hotels have been given orders to cancel advance bookings. A day before the Saudi delegation's arrival, the hotels will be closed for security clearance and officials will take control of the hotels' security. No one will be able to use the hotels until the delegation's arrival, the sources added.

They said the crown prince will be accompanied by a 40-member delegation and a contingent of royal guards on the plane when he travels to Pakistan.

The Islamabad Expressway will be shut for the VVIP movement, while the route from Koral Chowk to Faisal Avenue 15 u-turn will be shut down at various times.

Murree Road ─ from the Faizabad Interchange to Serena Chowk will remain closed, while Shahrah-i-Dastoor will be shut down from Radio Pakistan to Serena Hotel.

Traffic from Peshawar, Kahuta and Murree will be diverted to an alternative route, the sources said.

Sources in the capital administration suggested that those going to offices or schools leave their homes earlier than usual in order to avoid facing inconvenience.

Ahead of the trip, the Saudi cabinet authorised the minister of energy, industry and mineral resources and his deputy to wrap up talks and sign MoUs with Pakistani officials for the development of renewable energy projects, studies into investment opportunities in the petrochemical and recycling, and mineral resources sectors, the Saudi Gazette reported.

The Saudi Commission for Tourism and National Heritage was also authorised to discuss and sign an agreement for cooperation in the antique and museum fields with the Department of Archaeology and Museums, the Gazette report added.

Crown prince's agenda

Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman is expected to call on President Arif Alvi, Prime Minister Khan, and Chief of Army Staff Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa during his trip.

The Saudi ministers accompanying him will meet their counterparts to discuss bilateral cooperation in their respective fields.

On the sidelines of the visit, businessmen of the two countries will also meet to discuss opportunities of collaboration in the private sector.

Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry told Arab News that a reception will be hosted in the crown prince's honour at President House. The prime minister, army chief, all top ministers, bureaucrats and important personalities in the country as well as members of the royal entourage will be in attendance, he said.

Additionally, Prime Minister Imran Khan and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman will co-chair meetings of various joint working groups, including those on trade, investment, energy, science, information, and media.

MBS will leave the country on Sunday to travel onward to India, China, Malaysia and Indonesia.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1463607/t...pension-of-cellular-services-during-mbs-visit
 
Remember how my Muslim friends in Chennai used to talk about Humility of the current Saudi Kings father during his visit :)) man PR of these kings can show em being humble among naive awam.
 
Tbf even high profile pop stars , actors bring a lot of rubbish with them when on tour or visits, so this is not unsual for a person like MBS.
 
Arabs are being killed like no ones business and he's more worried about taking such useless things with him! Then they wonder why Allah is so mad with the Arabs! Millions of people in the subcontinent don't know where the next meal is coming from and this basket is doing all this! No concern for what is happening in Yemen at all.
 
For a country running out of foreign reserves, facing a yawning current account deficit and fighting to secure its financial future, Pakistan is putting on quite a show for Saudi Arabia's most powerful man - Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

And it's easy to see why: Prime Minister Imran Khan needs money, and he needs it fast.

MBS, as he's known, is coming to town promising billions - with Pakistan the first stop on a four-country Asian tour that also includes Malaysia, Indonesia and India.

But money is just one dimension of a relationship that goes much deeper.

How lavish is the visit?
The last time a Saudi royal visit was marked with this much fanfare was in 2006, when then Saudi ruler King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz toured the nuclear-armed nation.

And security is being taken seriously - with Imran Khan making a point of saying that he is personally taking care of the arrangements. The visit comes amid heightened tensions in the region, after India blamed Pakistan for the deadliest attack on its security forces in Kashmir in decades.

JF-17 Thunder fighter jets will escort MBS's fleet on Sunday as they enter Pakistani airspace - with all other flights grounded.

Hundreds of five-star rooms in Islamabad are believed have been booked out for the 1000-strong delegation. There are even reports that thousands of pigeons have been caught for a welcome ceremony.

Pakistan sells off ex-PM's prize buffaloes
The Pakistani government, which last year organised an auction to raise money by selling off its fleet of luxurious cars, has arranged 300 Toyota Land Cruisers.

And for the two-day trip, the Saudi crown prince will stay at the official residence of the prime minister - something that no state guest has ever done before.

Why is Pakistan desperate for cash?
The central bank has only $8bn (£6.2bn) left in foreign reserves and faces a balance of payments crisis.

Since he was sworn in last August, former star cricketer Imran Khan has been aggressively pursuing help from friendly countries in order to reduce the size of the bail-out package that Pakistan will likely need from the International Monetary Fund, under very strict conditions.

The country is seeking its 13th bailout since the late 1980s.

Media captionWhat has become of India's and Pakistan's economies, 70 years after partition?
The visit of MBS comes soon after Abu Dhabi's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan was in town.

The United Arab Emirates pledged to provide $6 billion to support Pakistan's battered economy. In total, Pakistan is hoping to get $30bn in loans and investments from the two Arab kingdoms, the Wall Street Journal has reported.

It's unclear exactly what deals will be signed while MBS is in town - but the crown jewel is a new $8bn oil refinery in southern port city of Gwadar.

Gwadar is the nerve centre of China's $60bn China-Pakistan Economic Corridor. Chinese money is much valued by Pakistan's government but analysts say it comes with strings attached - Chinese workers normally build Chinese projects. There are also concerns about Beijing having too much influence.

Funds from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf are hence very welcome.

What's in it for the Saudis??
While it is easy to see Pakistan as a country which is benefiting from the largesse of its allies at the cost of its sovereignty, the story is not so simple.

Saudi Arabia needs Pakistan too.

The crown prince's tour comes at a peculiar time for the kingdom, which is currently facing a global reputation crisis of its own due to the humanitarian catastrophe of its war in Yemen and the killing of journalist Jamal Khasoggi in its Istanbul consulate.

Against this backdrop, the current tour can be seen as a charm offensive by MBS, who is seeking to bolster relationships with dependable allies while doling out cash.

And it's important not to forget that Pakistan is very important to the Saudis.

The two countries have a military relationship which goes back decades. When Islam's holiest site in Mecca was attacked by militants four decades ago, it was Pakistani troops who were deployed to eliminate them.

"There has always been the assumption that Pakistan would be able to provide manpower if Saudi Arabia faced a major security crisis or a major attack," says Shashank Joshi, a South Asia expert and defence editor of The Economist magazine.

"Saudi Arabia, like some of the other gulf countries, has lots of cash but not necessarily a particularly strong army. Pakistan has not very much cash but a very strong and powerful army."

He adds that it has long been suspected - but never proven - that the two sides have a longstanding nuclear relationship that Saudi Arabia could draw upon if it one day needed access to the technology - for example if regional rival Iran became a nuclear-armed power.

The Saudis have an strong religious influence in mostly Sunni Muslim Pakistan and after the Soviet-Afghan war in the 1980s, they were able to set up a large network of religious seminaries, in part to counter Iran's influence.

In fact, a week before MBS's visit to Pakistan, the main avenues of Islamabad were dotted with posters and banners commemorating the 40th anniversary of the Iranian revolution. Since then, those have been replaced with pictures of MBS.

The presence of Iran as Pakistan's next door neighbour is another reason why the Saudis want to keep up the relationship.

"Saudi Arabia would like to ensure Pakistan remains closer to Riyadh than it does to Tehran," says Mr Joshi.

It's true that Pakistan's decision not to heed Saudia Arabia's call to join its war in Yemen four years ago damaged the relationship. But this visit - coming amid a generational shift in the Saudi leadership - "represents a turning of the page", says Pakistani newspaper columnist Mosharraf Zaidi.

The Taliban question
What makes the timing of this tour even more significant is that it comes at a time when geo-politics in the region are shifting.

Unprecedented talks are taking place to bring an end to the war in Afghanistan - where Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, India and the US all have a stake.

The next meetings between Taliban and US officials could take place in Islamabad on the day MBS leaves - and the Saudis do not want to be silent spectators sitting on the sidelines.

The high-level talks were previously held in Qatar - the Gulf country with which Saudi Arabia has an ongoing rift - and Saudi officials will want to find out exactly what has been going on from Pakistan, says Joshi.

"Saudi Arabia will be keen that as the peace process continues that it is factions [of the Taliban that they are close to] who are empowered, rather than those who are close to Iran."

On his trip MBS will also be meeting Pakistan's powerful army chief, General Qamar Javed Bajwa - where the Taliban issue is expected to be discussed.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47248082
 
This is not uncommon.

He does the same everywhere.

Gaddafi did similar. Even US and UK

He is visiting India for a 2 day trip the very next day after Pakistan but none of this is happening...Saudis trust indian security and hospitality arrangements..
 
Looks like the Crown Prince is not happy with the hospitality arrangements in the newly established Madinah state.

Is he actually bringing along his furniture for an overnight stay? How obnoxious can one get?

Granted that we are going to make his ego bigger by begging for more money, but this is just ridiculous.

Not only furniture but also his gym equipment has been brought in for just a 2 day trip..
 
And this is the family given ownership to take care of islam’s Holy sites ?
 
And there was me thinking MBS might just come over with his backpack, carrying a couple of jeans, T-shirt’s , pyjamas, toiletries, a packet of cashew nuts to snack on, an MP3 player for the plane journey and most importantly a cheque book for official business.
 
He is visiting India for a 2 day trip the very next day after Pakistan but none of this is happening...Saudis trust indian security and hospitality arrangements..

He did the same in Japan as well.



I guess India might be more developed than Japan...... true shupa powaaa
 
He is visiting India for a 2 day trip the very next day after Pakistan but none of this is happening...Saudis trust indian security and hospitality arrangements..

Not only furniture but also his gym equipment has been brought in for just a 2 day trip..

Indians being stupid as usual. Do you have any friggin clue what the Saudi Royal family travels with to the US? A simple google search can help you but won’t be surprised if you’re handicapped to do that.
 
And there was me thinking MBS might just come over with his backpack, carrying a couple of jeans, T-shirt’s , pyjamas, toiletries, a packet of cashew nuts to snack on, an MP3 player for the plane journey and most importantly a cheque book for official business.

Hahahahaha man love your humour
 
Looks like the Crown Prince is not happy with the hospitality arrangements in the newly established Madinah state.

Is he actually bringing along his furniture for an overnight stay? How obnoxious can one get?

Granted that we are going to make his ego bigger by begging for more money, but this is just ridiculous.

A lot of rich Arab sheikhs do that, Gaddafi used to bring his own tent to America whenever he would attend the UN general assembly.
 
"Saudi crown prince’s delegation will comprise about 1,100 officials and businessmen."

So given PM Imran Khan's desire for simplicity and getting rid of luxuries and extravagances, what's on the menu for dinner with this 1100+ delegation that's coming with MBS ? there was a rumour a while ago that state would only cover expenses for Tea and Biscuits, but I assume that would be excluding foreign dignitaries.
 
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"Saudi crown prince’s delegation will comprise about 1,100 officials and businessmen."

So given PM Imran Khan's desire for simplicity and getting rid of luxuries and extravagances, what's on the menu for dinner with this 1100+ delegation that's coming with MBS ? there was a rumour a while ago that state would only cover expenses for Tea and Biscuits, but I assume that would be excluding foreign dignitaries.

All the costs are being covered by the Saudis from security to transport to food.
 
"Saudi crown prince’s delegation will comprise about 1,100 officials and businessmen."

So given PM Imran Khan's desire for simplicity and getting rid of luxuries and extravagances, what's on the menu for dinner with this 1100+ delegation that's coming with MBS ? there was a rumour a while ago that state would only cover expenses for Tea and Biscuits, but I assume that would be excluding foreign dignitaries.

He is not even eating our food. I suppose a video conference could have sufficed as well. However, this minor stop before his main visit (to India) is not a big deal for him.
 
He is not even eating our food. I suppose a video conference could have sufficed as well. However, this minor stop before his main visit (to India) is not a big deal for him.

Why do you sound so hurt and bitter? Try putting your countries interests before your own.
 
Saudi crown prince's airplane touches down at Nur Khan Air Base

Amid heightened security and arrangements in the twin cities of Islamabad and Rawalpindi, Saudi Crown Mohammad bin Salman has arrived at Nur Khan Air Base in Rawalpindi.

A formation of JF-17 thunder jets and F-16 fighter jets escorted the plane of the Saudi royal after its entry into the Pakistani airspace. On arrival, the crown prince will be given a 21-gun salute.

Prime Minister Imran Khan, his cabinet members and Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa are present at the air base to receive Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman ─ known as MBS for short.

Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry welcomed Prince Mohammad on Twitter, saying the crown prince was coming to join his "family and [his] own country".

This is Prince Mohammad's first state visit to Pakistan since becoming the heir to the throne in 2017.

Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir landed at Nur Khan Air Base ahead of the crown prince's arrival in a separate airplane. Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood was present on the tarmac to welcome his Saudi counterpart.

The crown prince, who is visiting Pakistan on the invitation of Prime Minister Khan, will be accorded a red carpet welcome and presented a guard of honour at the PM House.

The twin cities have been decked out in images of the Saudi royal family and banners welcoming the crown prince.

A high-powered delegation comprising key ministers and some prominent businessmen, besides members of the royal family, is also coming with the crown prince for his two-day visit.

Earlier, the crown prince was due to reach Pakistan on February 16, but his arrival was delayed for a day for unknown reasons.

Islamabad has described the visit as a "historical one" which will help stabilise the crippling economy of the country as over $21 billion Memorandums of Understanding (MoUs) are likely to be inked between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia during the visit.

About an hour ahead of the crown prince's anticipated arrival, Finance Minister Asad Umar tweeted that he had held a meeting with Saudi Arabia's Energy Minister Khalid al-Falih and his team.

During the meeting, a wide range of investment projects worth billions of dollars were discussed, the minister revealed, adding that MoUs in this regard would be signed later today

Two receptions will be held in the Presidency and Prime Minister House in honour of the crown prince during which one-on-one meetings between him and President Arif Alvi and Prime Minister Khan will take place. The crown prince will also meet Chief of the Army Staff Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa.

Not only the government but the opposition has also hailed the visit of the crown prince as PML-N president Shahbaz Sharif and PPP co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari have welcomed the Saudi royal in their statements.

However, opposition parties have lashed out at the federal government for not inviting their leaders to the official reception to be hosted in honour of MBS and termed it an undemocratic and un-parliamentary step.

According to Foreign Office Spokesperson Dr Mohammad Faisal, Pakistan's highest civil award, the Nishan-e-Pakistan, will be conferred on the crown prince in an investiture ceremony at the presidency on Monday.

After Pakistan, MBS will travel to India, where he will meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Petroleum Minister Dharmendra Pradhan.

He is expected to finish the trip with a visit to China on Thursday and Friday.

Two short stops initially scheduled for Sunday and Monday in Indonesia and Malaysia were postponed on Saturday without explanation.

MBS last visited Pakistan in 2016 when he was the country’s defence minister. During a stopover in Islamabad on his way to China, Prince Mohammed had called on the then prime minister Nawaz Sharif at the PM House and pledged to strengthen bilateral cooperation in different fields.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1464407/saudi-crown-princes-airplane-touches-down-at-nur-khan-air-base
 
Embarrassing to see Bajwa meeting the humble Prince. Only in Pakistan does the Army Chief meet with a Head of State. The whole world is laughing at us right now.

On a side note, the Chinese are clearly disappointed with the humble Prince coming to Pakistan. I wonder what steps Bajwa and his subordinate Imran will take to make them happy now.
 
Embarrassing to see Bajwa meeting the humble Prince. Only in Pakistan does the Army Chief meet with a Head of State. The whole world is laughing at us right now.

On a side note, the Chinese are clearly disappointed with the humble Prince coming to Pakistan. I wonder what steps Bajwa and his subordinate Imran will take to make them happy now.

Your pathetic bitterness shows all the time. No body is laughing infact everybody wants to be PK friend, hence the drama by your allies across the border this week. Your comments are so pathetic that you couldn't bring yourself to say even one good thing. It's because of losers like you that we are struggling as a country.
 
Embarrassing to see Bajwa meeting the humble Prince. Only in Pakistan does the Army Chief meet with a Head of State. The whole world is laughing at us right now.

On a side note, the Chinese are clearly disappointed with the humble Prince coming to Pakistan. I wonder what steps Bajwa and his subordinate Imran will take to make them happy now.

The other to notice from comments is your desperation to be popular with Modi's pathetic fans. You can comment on this but not a word on the pathetic allegations your Indian friends made and when proved wrong, they ran.
 
Your pathetic bitterness shows all the time. No body is laughing infact everybody wants to be PK friend, hence the drama by your allies across the border this week. Your comments are so pathetic that you couldn't bring yourself to say even one good thing. It's because of losers like you that we are struggling as a country.

“everybody wants to be PK friend” :91:

Sure.
 
“everybody wants to be PK friend” :91:

Sure.

I see you dont want to annoy your Ind friends so you become a self hating PK. Can't bring yourself to comment on their pathetic allegations which their Gen refuted today.
 
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I see you dont want to annoy your Ind friends so you become a self hating PK. Can't bring yourself to comment on their pathetic allegations which their Gen refuted today.

Again, I would refrain from writing an essay because it is going to fall on deaf ears.

Nevertheless, I am not here to make friends or enemies. I am only here to say what I have to say.

I have stated multiple times that Pakistan has no business in J&K because it is India's internal matter. I have my sympathies with the Kashmiris who do not want to be part of India, but ultimately it is between them and the Government of India. It is not Pakistan's business, and our interference in Kashmir has not and will not do any good in the future.

Unfortunately, our meddling in Kashmir is the military's way of controlling the country. Since independence, we have been in constant conflict with India only and only because that is the only way our military can reign supreme. A peaceful Pakistan that enjoys cordial relations with India is against their interests.

For me, these are not "allegations". It is a fact that we have supported and funded urgencies in J&K. Whatever India has done in response is simply a retaliation to our unwanted involvement in their internal affairs. The day Pakistan stops poking its nose where it does not belong will be the start of a positive relationship with India.

Our military has also been successful in selling the idea that India is "obsessed" with us and cannot see us prosper. India is a rapidly growing economy with modern industries. They are about 50 years ahead of us and we have no hope of catching up with them. The damage has been done already.

However, if we were to stop interfering in Kashmir, which means wrestling away the undue power from the military and cutting on our defence budget, our economy will only strengthen and we will be able to develop our industries. Corruption and all that means nothing. Corruption is everywhere, no less in India but it has not stopped them from progressing.

Our people have been brainwashed into accepting that corruption is Pakistan's biggest problem, which isn't by far. This is simply an idea planted in our head by the establishment because it is very easy tool to gather the masses. Pakistan's biggest problem - and the mother of all our conflicts - is the stronghold of the military on our internal policy as well as foreign policy.

Apart from countries that have bought Pakistan like China and now KSA, every county has an issue with us. Perhaps it is time for us to look inwards and realise that the problem after all is with us. As far as India is concerned, it is no different. We are responsible for the enmity between the two nations because we have been interfering in their internal problem since 1947.
 
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Again, I would refrain from writing an essay because it is going to fall on deaf ears.

Nevertheless, I am not here to make friends or enemies. I am only here to say what I have to say.

I have stated multiple times that Pakistan has no business in J&K because it is India's internal matter. I have my sympathies with the Kashmiris who do not want to be part of India, but ultimately it is between them and the Government of India. It is not Pakistan's business, and our interference in Kashmir has not and will not do any good in the future.

Unfortunately, our meddling in Kashmir is the military's way of controlling the country. Since independence, we have been in constant conflict with India only and only because that is the only way our military can reign supreme. A peaceful Pakistan that enjoys cordial relations with India is against their interests.

For me, these are not "allegations". It is a fact that we have supported and funded urgencies in J&K. Whatever India has done in response is simply a retaliation to our unwanted involvement in their internal affairs. The day Pakistan stops poking its nose where it does not belong will be the start of a positive relationship with India.

Our military has also been successful in selling the idea that India is "obsessed" with us and cannot see us prosper. India is a rapidly growing economy with modern industries. They are about 50 years ahead of us and we have no hope of catching up with them. The damage has been done already.

However, if we were to stop interfering in Kashmir, which means wrestling away the undue power from the military and cutting on our defence budget, our economy will only strengthen and we will be able to develop our industries. Corruption and all that means nothing. Corruption is everywhere, no less in India but it has not stopped them from progressing.

Our people have been brainwashed into accepting that corruption is Pakistan's biggest problem, which isn't by far. This is simply an idea planted in our head by the establishment because it is very easy tool to gather the masses. Pakistan's biggest problem - and the mother of all our conflicts - is the stronghold of the military on our internal policy as well as foreign policy.

Apart from countries that have bought Pakistan like China and now KSA, every county has an issue with us. Perhaps it is time for us to look inwards and realise that the problem after all is with us. As far as India is concerned, it is no different. We are responsible for the enmity between the two nations because we have been interfering in their internal problem since 1947.

So in short it's all our fault and not of the people who promised referendums to settle the dispute. Apparently we spend too much on defence but Ind spends 5 times more than us and that's justified. Self hating PK
 
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So in short it's all our fault and not of the people who promised referendums to settle the dispute. Apparently we spend too much on defence but Ind spends 5 times more than us and that's justified. Self hating PK

Yes it is all our fault, and their is no dispute in the first place. This is between the people of J&K and the Government of India. Pakistan is not part of the equation.

If the people of J&K are able to gain independence (which will never happen, but let's assume for argument's sake) and they express their desire to join Pakistan, then and only then do we come into the picture. However, we cannot go around poking our nose in our neighbours' business and then complain when there are repercussions.

India also spends too much on their defence, but only because we cannot mind our own business. Besides, India is a huge economy and they can afford to spend so much on defence. They are not begging countries left right and their PM does not drive around leaders in his Mercedes while begging them for loans and investments. They are the fastest growing economy in the world and have been able to develop industries, so they are on the right track.

Let make something clear, again. This self-created conflict harms Pakistan way more than it harms India.
 
Because of this VIp treatment, they had to close down Islamabad, our uni was closed :facepalm:

pathetic
 
Yes it is all our fault, and their is no dispute in the first place. This is between the people of J&K and the Government of India. Pakistan is not part of the equation.

If the people of J&K are able to gain independence (which will never happen, but let's assume for argument's sake) and they express their desire to join Pakistan, then and only then do we come into the picture. However, we cannot go around poking our nose in our neighbours' business and then complain when there are repercussions.

India also spends too much on their defence, but only because we cannot mind our own business. Besides, India is a huge economy and they can afford to spend so much on defence. They are not begging countries left right and their PM does not drive around leaders in his Mercedes while begging them for loans and investments. They are the fastest growing economy in the world and have been able to develop industries, so they are on the right track.

Let make something clear, again. This self-created conflict harms Pakistan way more than it harms India.

Yes it was, PK was all the land where the Muslims were Majority. That's the reason the UN brokered a peace process in which a resolution was passed asking for a plebiscite. Who the hell are you to deny the Kashmiris a chance to decide? If they wanted to stay with Ind they had every right but if they wanted to they also have the right to join PK. I know you are always desperate to please the Ind on the forum but please don't rewrite history.
 
keep blaming others for your own mess

Welcome to the govt. Your not opposition anymore, learn to govern

And we have achieved more in 6 months than crooks ever did. We have worked for investment while your crooks stole billions and sent them abroad. No wonder you ran from those forums.
 
Yes it was, PK was all the land where the Muslims were Majority. That's the reason the UN brokered a peace process in which a resolution was passed asking for a plebiscite. Who the hell are you to deny the Kashmiris a chance to decide? If they wanted to stay with Ind they had every right but if they wanted to they also have the right to join PK. I know you are always desperate to please the Ind on the forum but please don't rewrite history.

I will tell you who the hell I am. I am a Pakistani who believes that this conflict with India is holding us back, and in 72 years, nothing good has come out of our involvement in J&K. We can go on for 7,200 years, but nothing good will come out in the future as well.

When will we wake up and realise that this has to end? What will it take for us to realise that our foreign policy (driven by our military) is utter nonsense that will only drive this country in the ground, which it has already?

The British messed up the partition, and I have written essays on that as well. However, it is not our duty to clean up the mess. Yes it would have been great if J&K was part of Pakistan, but it is not. Hence, instead of poking our nose where it does not belong, we need to look inwards and focus on what we have. We are a failing nation that is obsessed with grabbing a piece of land that is not theirs.

Whether the people of J&K are given a chance to decide or not is not our problem. They are not Pakistanis, they are Indians, and they are the Government of India's headache. Why is it so hard to understand?

I have no intentions of pleasing the Indians on this forum. I don't know any of them personally and probably never will in the future. All posters on this forum are equal for me, regardless of their nationality.
 
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keep blaming others for your own mess

Welcome to the govt. Your not opposition anymore, learn to govern


The dhol baja was embarrassing, and then they talk about "austerity". What was the point?
 
I will tell who the hell I am. I am a Pakistani who believes that this conflict with India is holding us back, and in 72 years, nothing good has come out of our involvement in J&K. We can go on for 7,200 years, but nothing good will come out in the future as well.

When will we wake up and realise that this has to end? What will it take for us to realise that our foreign policy (driven by our military) is utter nonsense that will only drive this country in the ground, which it has already?

The British messed up the partition, and I have written essays on that as well. However, it is not our duty to clean up the mess. Yes it would have been great if J&K was part of Pakistan, but it is not. Hence, instead of poking our nose where it does not belong, we need to look inwards and focus on what we have. We are a failing nation that is obsessed with grabbing a piece of land that is not theirs.

Whether the people of J&K are given a chance to decide or not is not our problem. They are not Pakistanis, they are Indians, and they are the Government of India's headache. Why is it so hard to understand?

I have no intentions of pleasing the Indians on this forum. I don't know any of them personally and probably never will in the future. All posters on this forum are equal for me, regardless of their nationality.

Kashmiris have a right to decide, what they decide is up to them. Maybe you could write long essays to your Ind friends to remind that a referendum was agreed at the UN. As I said you are self hating PK, you are desperate to please the Ind and you are lucky that you are PK and can say these things, in Ind you would be lynched
 
I hate that we’re in a situation where we have accept money from the Saudi’s, especially MBS....

Actually I can taste a little bit of puke in my mouth whenever I think about it....

PMLN and PPP have so much to answer for
 
The dhol baja was embarrassing, and then they talk about "austerity". What was the point?

The Saudis paid for it and also brought billions in investment. Yes investment into PK, not money out of PK like your Noora friends or [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] friends who stole quite literally billions but he can't even condemn it. He like you runs when challenged.
 
The dhol baja was embarrassing, and then they talk about "austerity". What was the point?

You've got to put something in to get something out.

I know it hurts seeing Khan do more in 6 months than your chosen ones have done in countless years, but remember he's doing it for all of us.
 
I hate that we’re in a situation where we have accept money from the Saudi’s, especially MBS....

Actually I can taste a little bit of puke in my mouth whenever I think about it....

PMLN and PPP have so much to answer for

No apparently it's IK fault that they bankrupted PK.
 
Kashmiris have a right to decide, what they decide is up to them. Maybe you could write long essays to your Ind friends to remind that a referendum was agreed at the UN. As I said you are self hating PK, you are desperate to please the Ind and you are lucky that you are PK and can say these things, in Ind you would be lynched

In Pakistan, I cannot say this publicly either. That is why I hide behind PP to say all of this. Their is no freedom of speech in Pakistan either.

Secondly, only India has the authority to decide whether the people of J&K are granted the right to decide their future or not. Only India because J&K is an Indian state.
 
Kashmiris have a right to decide, what they decide is up to them. Maybe you could write long essays to your Ind friends to remind that a referendum was agreed at the UN. As I said you are self hating PK, you are desperate to please the Ind and you are lucky that you are PK and can say these things, in Ind you would be lynched

Entire Kashmir should always been part of Pakistan and even its ascension to India was conditional.

This is an irrefutable fact.
 
The Saudis paid for it and also brought billions in investment. Yes investment into PK, not money out of PK like your Noora friends or [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] friends who stole quite literally billions but he can't even condemn it. He like you runs when challenged.

Yes, the paid for the local performers that perform in wedding in Islamabad and Rawalpindi. I hear that they also paid for the fuel in the PM Mercedes and gave our PM some allowance from driving the Prince around.
 
You've got to put something in to get something out.

I know it hurts seeing Khan do more in 6 months than your chosen ones have done in countless years, but remember he's doing it for all of us.


Sure, the Prince would have refused to give us money if the local dhol baja was not there to welcome.
 
In Pakistan, I cannot say this publicly either. That is why I hide behind PP to say all of this. Their is no freedom of speech in Pakistan either.

Secondly, only India has the authority to decide whether the people of J&K are granted the right to decide their future or not. Only India because J&K is an Indian state.

What you would be lynched in PK for saying the Kashmiris have the right to decide? Are you sure, or is that another of your fairy tales.
 
The Saudis paid for it and also brought billions in investment. Yes investment into PK, not money out of PK like your Noora friends or [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] friends who stole quite literally billions but he can't even condemn it. He like you runs when challenged.

its funny how this guy bashes me for supoorting PPP

The guy who you just took money from just recently brutally murdered a journalist brutally.

so dont act your are better than us all here. Because your party is now making deals with a killer
 
What you would be lynched in PK for saying the Kashmiris have the right to decide? Are you sure, or is that another of your fairy tales.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

i think this post just shows this posters childish views,

its sad that people cannot see our agencies involvement in Kashmir and yet again we have to pay the prize because of their involvement.

The PSL production is just one small example of how the acts of the "establishment" could really hurt us
 
What you would be lynched in PK for saying the Kashmiris have the right to decide? Are you sure, or is that another of your fairy tales.

I come from an influential family. If use public platforms to express my opinions on our military and our involvement in Kashmir, it will only be a matter of time before I receive some kind of threat. I am not interesting in putting myself and my family at risk for my beliefs, which is why I am happy to use PP as my platform.
 
its funny how this guy bashes me for supoorting PPP

The guy who you just took money from just recently brutally murdered a journalist brutally.

so dont act your are better than us all here. Because your party is now making deals with a killer

Do you know any non-killers we could work with to get a deal which amounts to billions? Face it, your issue is that IK is doing for Pakistan and not lining his own pockets like your beloved leader. I know it hurts, each deal makes it more difficult for the corrupt to fool the public
 
Yes, the paid for the local performers that perform in wedding in Islamabad and Rawalpindi. I hear that they also paid for the fuel in the PM Mercedes and gave our PM some allowance from driving the Prince around.

Wow, you was the guy that defended the right of the Sharif's to go to London over their health treatment at the expense of tax payers which cost billions and you are now complaining about spending some money to bring investment worth at least $6bn into PK. Maybe an Oxford dictionary and the word hypocrisy needs to bookmarked.
 
Wow, you was the guy that defended the right of the Sharif's to go to London over their health treatment at the expense of tax payers which cost billions and you are now complaining about spending some money to bring investment worth at least $6bn into PK. Maybe an Oxford dictionary and the word hypocrisy needs to bookmarked.

"investment", sure. Pakistan has been sold for $6B, it is not an investment.
 
I come from an influential family. If use public platforms to express my opinions on our military and our involvement in Kashmir, it will only be a matter of time before I receive some kind of threat. I am not interesting in putting myself and my family at risk for my beliefs, which is why I am happy to use PP as my platform.

I have a similar outlook to you, the Kashmiri themselves should decide whether they stay with India, become independent or join Pakistan. This goes for Azaad Kashmir and Maqbooza.

Not only that but I say it regularly , it's also the position iirc of the JKLF, so as far as you feeling threatened, sounds like cowardice to me.
 
I have a similar outlook to you, the Kashmiri themselves should decide whether they stay with India, become independent or join Pakistan. This goes for Azaad Kashmir and Maqbooza.

Not only that but I say it regularly , it's also the position iirc of the JKLF, so as far as you feeling threatened, sounds like cowardice to me.

You can call it what you want, but yes for now I don't have the courage to say all of this in public. My safety and more importantly, my family's safety is of paramount importance to me. Not my beliefs.
 
Do you know any non-killers we could work with to get a deal which amounts to billions? Face it, your issue is that IK is doing for Pakistan and not lining his own pockets like your beloved leader. I know it hurts, each deal makes it more difficult for the corrupt to fool the public

so you are saying that its ok to make deals with a murderer but bash others who support PPP or PMLN?
Don't you see the hypocrisy?

IK is doing something for Pakistan????

Bro a loan or Grant or AId from Saudia is the same thing as taking aid from IMF.

You get the money, but you have to follow some of their orders. And with Saudia comes Wahabism. THe madarassahs of Wahabi school of thought will probably get more funding as they have been in the past.

DUring the time when ISIS has reached till Afghanistan, this is a very dangerous thing.

Pakistan moving towards Wahabism will cost us alot in future
 
"investment", sure. Pakistan has been sold for $6B, it is not an investment.

High on hyperbole, low on facts. Peeps usually become like that when they're bitter and jealous. He's doing it for you too Mamoon, learn to appreciate good happening to and for Pakistan
 
I come from an influential family. If use public platforms to express my opinions on our military and our involvement in Kashmir, it will only be a matter of time before I receive some kind of threat. I am not interesting in putting myself and my family at risk for my beliefs, which is why I am happy to use PP as my platform.

We know you come from influential family and that's why you support the Corrupt all day long. And as far as your point about the threats is concerned, are you saying that you saying Kashmiris have the right to decide will get you threats? And if you are saying that they don't have the right to decide then why complain when others stop you saying your piece. Once again you don't even realise that you are being a hypocrite!
 
We know you come from influential family and that's why you support the Corrupt all day long. And as far as your point about the threats is concerned, are you saying that you saying Kashmiris have the right to decide will get you threats? And if you are saying that they don't have the right to decide then why complain when others stop you saying your piece. Once again you don't even realise that you are being a hypocrite!

says the guy who has no problem with taking money from a brutal murderer
 
We know you come from influential family and that's why you support the Corrupt all day long. And as far as your point about the threats is concerned, are you saying that you saying Kashmiris have the right to decide will get you threats? And if you are saying that they don't have the right to decide then why complain when others stop you saying your piece. Once again you don't even realise that you are being a hypocrite!

My views on the intentions of our military and our involvement in Kashmir will get me in trouble if they reach the wrong ears. No one wants to hear that we have no business meddling in J&K.
 
so you are saying that its ok to make deals with a murderer but bash others who support PPP or PMLN?
Don't you see the hypocrisy?

IK is doing something for Pakistan????

Bro a loan or Grant or AId from Saudia is the same thing as taking aid from IMF.

You get the money, but you have to follow some of their orders. And with Saudia comes Wahabism. THe madarassahs of Wahabi school of thought will probably get more funding as they have been in the past.

DUring the time when ISIS has reached till Afghanistan, this is a very dangerous thing.

Pakistan moving towards Wahabism will cost us alot in future

Have you heard of Saudi Vision 2030? Calm your socks, the days of ignorant Wahabbism are over. This will work out wonderfully for Pakistan, our young educated masses can play a huge role in this Saudi Vision, Imran Khan has championed our young population as the biggest asset of Pakistan, it's obvious the Saudis have bought into it.

And MBS and the Saudis are no less killers than the IMF. Either way you're dealing with people with blood on their hands. Some just do it slightly more gruesomely than others. I'm not here for first world western hypocrisy. The IMF is a loan shark.
 
so you are saying that its ok to make deals with a murderer but bash others who support PPP or PMLN?
Don't you see the hypocrisy?

IK is doing something for Pakistan????

Bro a loan or Grant or AId from Saudia is the same thing as taking aid from IMF.

You get the money, but you have to follow some of their orders. And with Saudia comes Wahabism. THe madarassahs of Wahabi school of thought will probably get more funding as they have been in the past.

DUring the time when ISIS has reached till Afghanistan, this is a very dangerous thing.

Pakistan moving towards Wahabism will cost us alot in future

You guys stole the billions which you know is fact and you run when you have to defend. You have no shame in supporting crooks who also murdered people( uzair Baluch, BB brother etc) but suddenly it's a matter of conscience. On the other hand NS was trying to take credit for the investment.
 
My views on the intentions of our military and our involvement in Kashmir will get me in trouble if they reach the wrong ears. No one wants to hear that we have no business meddling in J&K.

No they won't, you give yourself too much importance.
 
High on hyperbole, low on facts. Peeps usually become like that when they're bitter and jealous. He's doing it for you too Mamoon, learn to appreciate good happening to and for Pakistan

The problem is that I don't see this is a good thing. The immediate impact would be on our relationship with the Chinese who are clearly not happy with this arrangement. Plus, what happened in Pulwama is bound to have consequences as well. There is not much to be happy about at this time, but our people are celebrating because the nation is focused on PSL and the media is not reporting what happened in Pulwama.
 
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