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Saudi health minister: COVID-19 vaccine will be prerequisite for Hajj

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DUBAI: Saudi Arabia’s health minister said in a statement that receiving a coronavirus vaccine will be a prerequisite for pilgrims, Arabic daily Okaz reported.

Tawfiq Al-Rabiah said authorities must prepare appropriate manpower in the health sector in Makkah and Al-Madinah ahead of the annual Islamic pilgrimage or Hajj, the report added.

Based on those preparations, “make the coronavirus vaccine a prerequisite for those who would like to perform Hajj,” Okaz quoted Al-Rabiah.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1818441/saudi-arabia

The vaccine will not stop transmission.

Hope the Hajj is back to normal this year. So many are missing out.

I wont take the vaccine but Ive peformed Hajj already so it's fine.
 
Sensible decision. I am due to have it in a few weeks and IA it keeps me and others around me safe.
 
Fantastic news. Great job by the Saudis, making their ancestors during the Golden Age proud, I'm sure.

No one said vaccines will stop transmission, but they greatly reduce it. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w

Science proving you wrong once again. :)

College hasnt told you what science is really saying.

It was also “able to evade 25-61 per cent of protective immunity elicited by previous infection” with another variant, the researchers found, a sign that current vaccines could also be less effective against it.

https://www.ft.com/content/51cf718d-e701-4292-a9dd-dd36c1b1c5ea

You wont be going to Hajj but maybe your family will.

Viruses mutate making vaccines less and less effective, meaning this move wont stop transmission when you have millions arriving from around the world.
 
Good. Those who refuse to take the vaccine and believe in conspiracy theories and pseudo-science should not be allowed to enter Saudi Arabia.
 
College hasnt told you what science is really saying.



https://www.ft.com/content/51cf718d-e701-4292-a9dd-dd36c1b1c5ea

You wont be going to Hajj but maybe your family will.

Viruses mutate making vaccines less and less effective, meaning this move wont stop transmission when you have millions arriving from around the world.

Less effective still means it's effective. No educated person has ever claimed that vaccines stop transmissions (which is why you said that). And what you just linked even said that vaccines can work with many other variants, just less effectively. And these new vaccines are easily adaptable to new strains if new vaccines need to be created.

Very funny that you think you know what science is saying. Please explain, without skipping out on the scientific terminology and nomenclature, why vaccines aren't effective. Spoiler alert: you can't.

Once again, the Saudis have impressed me. Perhaps they'll return to their glory days of being amazing scientists.
 
Heh this is futile, in a lot of countries it's not hard at all to obtain a doctors letter or a "covid certificate", this is just going to create a black market for people to falsify documents - a market that has always existed so if anything they're just creating one more requirement that might slightly delay the visa process but it's not a hindrance at all. This can only be effective if they require an antibody test for verification but that seems too costly and time consuming so unlikely to happen.
 
College is closed atm? The Brazilian variant may reduce the effectivness of a vaccine by a very large percentage. A schoolboy knows viruses mutate, which is why you dont need a flu vaccine to go to Hajj. I never suggusted it didnt reduce the risk. The reduction with 4 million from all over the world will still means hundreds of thousands can be infected. Luckily Muslims wash a lot and many dont hug others or get too close.

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Which is precisely why you need vaccines to give the virus much less of a chance to mutate.

Did you ever stop to think how diseases such as the plague, small pox, polio, tetanus, measles etc are either gone or endemic?

Do you have any source on why you don't need a flu vaccine for hajj? Your reasoning is your own speculation and probably completely false. The more likely reason is because the flu isn't considered a serious killer disease anymore.
 
I have seen too many die from virus first hand and have already in the last two weeks seen the virus wipe out my friend's immediate family. His sibling who wasn't even old and himself had three young kids. It's an absolute calamity.

Hajj sees millions so this ruling makes sense. I'd make the same ruling when it comes to travelling to any hotspot.
 
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When i went on hajj many years ago, you had to get a list of vaccines before travelling. Coivd is just another one to add to the list. They dont mess about.
 
Which is precisely why you need vaccines to give the virus much less of a chance to mutate.

Did you ever stop to think how diseases such as the plague, small pox, polio, tetanus, measles etc are either gone or endemic?

Do you have any source on why you don't need a flu vaccine for hajj? Your reasoning is your own speculation and probably completely false. The more likely reason is because the flu isn't considered a serious killer disease anymore.

This virus is not the same polio or small pox. It is similar to the flu, it kills plenty but wont go away and neither will covid. Vaccines for Covid only minimise risk , they will never eradicate it.
 
This virus is not the same polio or small pox. It is similar to the flu, it kills plenty but wont go away and neither will covid. Vaccines for Covid only minimise risk , they will never eradicate it.

So if vaccines minimise risk, why is it a bad thing that it is a requirement for Hajj?
 
I have seen too many die from virus first hand and have already in the last two weeks seen the virus wipe out my friend's immediate family. His sibling who wasn't even old and himself had three young kids. It's an absolute calamity.

Hajj sees millions so this ruling makes sense. I'd make the same ruling when it comes to travelling to any hotspot.

They must have had underlying conditions running in the family cause the virus has a 98% survival rate
 
So if vaccines minimise risk, why is it a bad thing that it is a requirement for Hajj?

I never said it was bad but wrote "
The vaccine will not stop transmission."

When you go Hajj you only declare what you have taken, it can be made up by people if they like. There is no way of them checking esp as most nations wont be having vaccine passports.

I will have a new thread for you soon. :)
 
I never said it was bad but wrote "
The vaccine will not stop transmission."

When you go Hajj you only declare what you have taken, it can be made up by people if they like. There is no way of them checking esp as most nations wont be having vaccine passports.

I will have a new thread for you soon. :)

Interesting, you said 'so many are missing out', but then said people can make it up. So, what is the issue then?
 
Heh this is futile, in a lot of countries it's not hard at all to obtain a doctors letter or a "covid certificate", this is just going to create a black market for people to falsify documents - a market that has always existed so if anything they're just creating one more requirement that might slightly delay the visa process but it's not a hindrance at all. This can only be effective if they require an antibody test for verification but that seems too costly and time consuming so unlikely to happen.

Tbh if pepple are going to the lengths of falsifying evidence gor going to Hajj then Hajj probably isn't for them really is it.
 
This virus is not the same polio or small pox. It is similar to the flu, it kills plenty but wont go away and neither will covid. Vaccines for Covid only minimise risk , they will never eradicate it.

It's killing 5-10x the number of people killed by the flu. Can't really be compared to flu. This is after the huge efforts to contain the virus v/s very little efforts to contain the flu.
 
Heh this is futile, in a lot of countries it's not hard at all to obtain a doctors letter or a "covid certificate", this is just going to create a black market for people to falsify documents - a market that has always existed so if anything they're just creating one more requirement that might slightly delay the visa process but it's not a hindrance at all. This can only be effective if they require an antibody test for verification but that seems too costly and time consuming so unlikely to happen.

Some people, especially Pakistanis who are known all over the world for their dishonesty, will always find loopholes in any system to get their way.

This arrangement will not be foolproof either, but it will at least prove to be effective to a certain degree. Even if 10% of the people (the actual percentage will be far higher) get vaccinated, it is still much better than no one of very few people getting vaccinated.
 
They must have had underlying conditions running in the family cause the virus has a 98% survival rate

The parents were old the brother was not. And the virus had a second wave in UK which has affected a lot more younger people. It's not only him I've worked in covid wards and have seen deaths in even 52-60 year olds who had no major standing issues. And for people younger it can cause long term damage which we still don't know of yet.
 
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They must have had underlying conditions running in the family cause the virus has a 98% survival rate

And a two percent rate according to you is absolutely dangerous. It means in a nation like Pakistan if 2 percent died that would be more than 4 million deaths which is catastrophic.
 
The parents were old the brother was not. And the virus had a second wave in UK which has affected a lot more younger people. It's not only him I've worked in covid wards and have seen deaths in even 52-60 year olds who had no major standing issues. And for people younger it can cause long term damage which we still don't know of yet.

52-60 year olds aren't exactly young and their immune systems aren't as strong as a 30 year olds, also most people have undiagnosed comorbidities such as diabetes, hypertension, etc We don't know about the long term damage as this virus is new but we also don't know about the long term possible side effects of the vaccines either
 
And a two percent rate according to you is absolutely dangerous. It means in a nation like Pakistan if 2 percent died that would be more than 4 million deaths which is catastrophic.
Okay? And the flu has a mortality rate of 0.05% so for a country like Pakistan that would 110,000 deaths!!1 Anyone can extrapolate these stats and fear monger. I'm not downplaying covid and do believe we should all get the vaccine soon but I'm not going give into the media hysteria and let fear control our lives and as Muslims fear is the one thing you should never allow to take control of you.
 
52-60 year olds aren't exactly young and their immune systems aren't as strong as a 30 year olds, also most people have undiagnosed comorbidities such as diabetes, hypertension, etc We don't know about the long term damage as this virus is new but we also don't know about the long term possible side effects of the vaccines either

Okay? And the flu has a mortality rate of 0.05% so for a country like Pakistan that would 110,000 deaths!!1 Anyone can extrapolate these stats and fear monger. I'm not downplaying covid and do believe we should all get the vaccine soon but I'm not going give into the media hysteria and let fear control our lives and as Muslims fear is the one thing you should never allow to take control of you.

Normal flu isn't likely to kill you or cripple your lungs long term.

There is no side effect of the vaccine that would be as worse as not taking it or the long term damage of the virus.

Sometimes I feel some of us with medical degrees shouldn't have done it and should have left it to armchair experts like you.

You're saying you're not downplaying the virus, yet it's because of people like you who use stats like idiots the virus has absolutely destroyed lives. 52 year olds are nothing. And people who have survived have had to use intensive care units in their tens of thousands. You have absolutely no idea how many people survived only after ITU visits. Or how many times we have had wards full with no medical staff because people like to play It easy.

I always tell myself to never comment on covid threads on PP because of people like you. I'll follow that advice more closely after this post.
 
Some people, especially Pakistanis who are known all over the world for their dishonesty, will always find loopholes in any system to get their way.

Can you provide some data to back up this assertion? I find it is mostly Pakistanis themselves who make this claim, but if it is true, that must mean they are being dishonest....so does that mean in reality Pakistanis are in fact usually more honest? :13:
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/05/mecca-to-accept-only-immunised-pilgrims-from-ramadan

From the start of Ramadan, only Muslims immunised against Covid-19 will be allowed to perform the umrah pilgrimage, Saudi authorities have said.

Unlike hajj, the shorter umrah pilgrimage is non-compulsory and can be performed at any time of year.

The hajj and umrah ministry announced that three categories of people would be considered “immunised”: those who have received two doses of the vaccine; those administered a single dose at least 14 days prior; and people who have recovered from the virus.

Only those people will be eligible for permits to perform umrah, as well as to attend prayers in the Grand Mosque in the holy city of Mecca.

It added that the condition also applied for entry into the Prophet’s mosque in the holy city of Medina.

The ministry said the policy comes into force at the start of Ramadan but it was unclear how long it would last.

It was also not clear whether the policy, which comes amid a rise in coronavirus infections in the kingdom, would be extended to the annual hajj later this year.

Saudi Arabia has reported more than 393,000 coronavirus infections and 6,700 deaths from Covid-19.

The kingdom’s health ministry said it had administered more than 5m coronavirus vaccines, in a country with a population of more than 34 million.

Last month, King Salman replaced the hajj minister, months after the kingdom hosted the smallest hajj in modern history due to the pandemic.

Mohammad Benten was relieved from his post and replaced by Essam bin Saeed, according to a royal decree published by official Saudi Press Agency.

The kingdom hosted the hajj in late July last year. Only 10,000 residents of Saudi Arabia were allowed to take part, compared with 2.5 million Muslims from around the world who participated in 2019. It is unclear how many pilgrims will be allowed to perform the hajj this year.

According to the pro-government Okaz newspaper, only vaccinated pilgrims are likely to be permitted this year.

In a relaxation of coronavirus curbs last October, Saudi Arabia opened the Grand Mosque for prayers for the first time in seven months and partly resumed the umrah pilgrimage.

The umrah usually attracts millions of Muslims from across the globe each year.

Authorities said the umrah would be allowed to return to full capacity once the threat of the pandemic had abated.
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/saudi-arabia-considers-barring-overseas-haj-pilgrims-second-year-sources-say-2021-05-05/

Saudi Arabia is considering barring overseas pilgrims from the annual haj for the second year running as COVID-19 cases rise globally and worries grow about the emergence of new variants, two sources familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

Such a move would restrict the pilgrimage to Mecca, a once in a lifetime duty for every able-bodied Muslim who can afford it, to Saudi nationals and residents of the kingdom who were vaccinated or have recovered from COVID-19 at least months prior to attending.

While discussions about a possible ban have taken place, there has been no final decision on whether to pursue it, they said.

Before the pandemic enforced social distancing globally, some 2.5 million pilgrims used to visit the holiest sites of Islam in Mecca and Medina for the week-long haj, and the lesser, year-round umrah pilgrimage, which altogether earned the kingdom about $12 billion a year, according to official data.

As part of economic reform plans pursued by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the kingdom was hoping to raise the number of umrah and haj pilgrims to 15 million and 5 million respectively by 2020, and aimed to double the umrah number again to 30 million by 2030. It aims to earn 50 billion riyals ($13.32 billion) of revenues from the haj alone by 2030.

Two sources familiar with the matter said authorities have suspended earlier plans to host pilgrims from overseas, and will only allow domestic pilgrims who have been vaccinated or have recovered from COVID-19 at least six months before the pilgrimage.

Restrictions will be applied on the age of participants as well, one of the sources said.

A second source said the plans were initially to allow some numbers of vaccinated pilgrims from abroad, but confusion over types of vaccines, their efficacy and the emergence of new variants has pushed officials to reconsider.

The government media office did not respond to a request for comment.

Saudi Arabia, which stakes its reputation on its guardianship of Islam’s holiest sites in Mecca and Medina, barred foreigners from the haj last year due to the pandemic for the first time in the kingdom's modern history, allowing it only to a limited number of Saudi citizens and residents.

COVID-19 infections are still rising in 35 countries globally. There have been at least 153,508,000 reported infections and 3,351,000 reported deaths caused by the new coronavirus so far. read more

India leads the world in the daily average number of new deaths reported, accounting for one in every four deaths reported worldwide each day.

Crowds of millions of pilgrims from around the world could be a hotbed for virus transmission, and in the past some worshippers have returned to their countries with respiratory and other diseases.

In February, the government suspended entry to the kingdom from 20 countries, with the exception of diplomats, Saudi citizens, medical practitioners and their families, to help curb the spread of the new coronavirus.

The ban, which is still in place to date, includes people arriving from the United Arab Emirates, Germany, the United States, Britain, South Africa, France, Egypt, Lebanon, India and Pakistan.
 
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