Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs Gennady 'Triple G' Golovkin Super Fight - Prediction and Discussion Thread

[Cpt. Rishwat]

GGG is almost 36 years old now while Canelo is right in his peak at 27. GGG is on the decline, would the result be different if this was GGG in his prime?

To be fair, some fighters carry their age better than others. GGG doesn't look like a 35 yr old, if someone told me he was 27 I would believe it. He's a supremely fit athlete who still looks at his peak if you go by what you see rather than a number on his birth certificate.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They don't understand rehydration or the significance of punch stats either it seems. Yeah totally agree, I respect GGG's pedigree because he's a lot more sound technically compared to the average brawler but applying pressure alone does not win the fight for me but that's what it appears to be for the average fight fan who can't tell the difference between shots which are landed clean and the ones which hit the arms/gloves or are rolled / slipped.

Ideally you want a conclusive finish so the draw sought of leaves a really big unfulfilled feeling but it's not an outcome which would have me in shock and spew things like day light robbery because it wasn't, the fight was very close; the only insult was one of the judges cards being way off the mark thanks to Oscar passing over the brown envelope to her; he gave her that same envelope prior to Floyd/Canelo as well and she scored that a fight a draw lol. It was a great fight overall, did you catch any of the under-card bouts ? Billy Joe Saunders (called out Khan during the post fight press conference) looked as good as he possibly could have and Anthony Yarde is a serious talent for his experience levels.

I'd love to see BJS with Canelo or GGG, he is criminally underrated; folk seem to advocate him as an opponent who'd get blasted out by both men within 6 rounds but they have no idea.

No I didn't catch the Saunders fight, I saw the Diaz/Rivera fight before the main bout, and Diaz looked very slick. I haven't seen Saunders, from what I've heard he's technically a very good boxer, and it's that type of fighter I would expect to give GGG or Canelo the most trouble, similar to Jacobs.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Was no Hagler V Hearns V Leaonard but still a very good fight. Two elite fighters showing their boxing skills and both fought like warriors.

I think it was close fight as Canelo landed more power punches but GGG landed move overall. I would give it GGG by a couple of rounds.

Adelaide Byrd is corrupt, sick of seeing this so called judge making a mockery of the great sport. Im sure nobody can be that dumb to score it so heavily in favour of Canelo, it's obvious what went down here.

 

[Bewal Express]

Was no Hagler V Hearns V Leaonard but still a very good fight. Two elite fighters showing their boxing skills and both fought like warriors.

I think it was close fight as Canelo landed more power punches but GGG landed move overall. I would give it GGG by a couple of rounds.

Adelaide Byrd is corrupt, sick of seeing this so called judge making a mockery of the great sport. Im sure nobody can be that dumb to score it so heavily in favour of Canelo, it's obvious what went down here.

Boxing judges have always been corrupt. Do you remember the one in the Seoul Olympics against Roy Jones.

 

[Savak]

Based on the stats GGG edged it with him landing more jabs and just 4 lesser power shots than Canelo. To the naked eye it looked like a close fight. First 3 rounds went to Canelo and last 2 to Canelo but GGG took all the other rounds. 7-5 GGG and Canelo. GGG got robbed.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Boxing judges have always been corrupt. Do you remember the one in the Seoul Olympics against Roy Jones.

Ive seen it, the most outrageous decision in the history of amateur boxing.

The problem is Byrd has done this time after time. Either she is corrupt or doesn't have a clue about boxing.

 

[shaz619]

Based on the stats GGG edged it with him landing more jabs and just 4 lesser power shots than Canelo. To the naked eye it looked like a close fight. First 3 rounds went to Canelo and last 2 to Canelo but GGG took all the other rounds. 7-5 GGG and Canelo. GGG got robbed.

Hardly a robbery, it was a close and competitive fight with little in it and the outcome in the end was a draw. Robbery is what you call Manny v Timothy Bradley

 

[Bewal Express]

I used to follow boxing in the 80's and 90's but in the PPV era, i hardly watch. The last big fight i saw live was Tyson v Holyfield.

 

[kingusama92]

Despite the result, I was thoroughly entertained.

But man that undercard was horrific. Nearly put me to sleep.

 

[blackanhyellow]

That is exactly what I'm referring to, genius. And no, not every fighter comes in 20 pounds heavier the next day. Canelo drains himself at least 25 pounds whereas GGG fights at 165-170 at best. Pretty much every fight he weighs around at 165 a week before.

Where did I say every fighter comes in 20 pounds heavier?

I said fighters can come into the fight 20 pounds heavier. Some fighters are naturally suited for certain weight classes and therefore don't need to lose too much weight. In fact in some cases like for Mayweather, he may even take in extra calories sometimes leading up to the weigh in to keep his weight on.

You made a statement calling Canelo a fatso and insinuating he looked too overweight for this weight class. I merely explained to you that how you look on fight day has nothing to do with being in that weight class, it has everything to do with making weight on the official weigh in.

Genius.

 

[kingusama92]

I used to follow boxing in the 80's and 90's but in the PPV era, i hardly watch. The last big fight i saw live was Tyson v Holyfield.

Tyson v Holyfield was a huge fight.

The current era missed out on a Prime Pacman vs Prime Mayweather fight. The watered down version was embarrassing.

 

[Bewal Express]

Tyson v Holyfield was a huge fight.

The current era missed out on a Prime Pacman vs Prime Mayweather fight. The watered down version was embarrassing.

Poor Evander, his hearing has never been the same since.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Where did I say every fighter comes in 20 pounds heavier?

I said fighters can come into the fight 20 pounds heavier. Some fighters are naturally suited for certain weight classes and therefore don't need to lose too much weight. In fact in some cases like for Mayweather, he may even take in extra calories sometimes leading up to the weigh in to keep his weight on.

You made a statement calling Canelo a fatso and insinuating he looked too overweight for this weight class. I merely explained to you that how you look on fight day has nothing to do with being in that weight class, it has everything to do with making weight on the official weigh in.

Genius.

I obviously know that and by making that post I suggested that Canelo is fighting below his weightclass. Fairly simple to understand.

 

[blackanhyellow]

I obviously know that and by making that post I suggested that Canelo is fighting below his weightclass. Fairly simple to understand.

Its not simple if you dont get it.

How is he fighting below his weight class if he makes the weight?

He made the weight and was fighting for middle weight tittle. I am sure GGG predicted Canelo's fight weight and how big he would be.

His weight on fight day is irrelevant in terms of which weight class he was in this fight.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Its not simple if you dont get it.

How is he fighting below his weight class if he makes the weight?

He made the weight and was fighting for middle weight tittle. I am sure GGG predicted Canelo's fight weight and how big he would be.

His weight on fight day is irrelevant in terms of which weight class he was in this fight.

Okay. It's pretty obvious you're new to boxing.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Okay. It's pretty obvious you're new to boxing.

Lol I was going to say the same thing about you.

Canelo and GGG had no re-hydration clause in their contract. So either one of them could put as much weight on as they want after weigh in.

Other than Canelo's last fight with Chavez, he mostly fought at 155 catchweight or light middle weight I believe. So he is actually going up in weight class, not down.

Yes he walks around naturally at possibly 175, that has nothing to do with boxing weight classes.

Just because he walks around heavier does not mean he is a light heavy weight. Because boxers making light heavy weight can possibly be walking around 200 and then cut to 175, and be 190+ on fight day.

At the end of the day, its between two fighters to come to an agreement at what weight class they want to fight at.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Lol I was going to say the same thing about you.

Canelo and GGG had no re-hydration clause in their contract. So either one of them could put as much weight on as they want after weigh in.

Other than Canelo's last fight with Chavez, he mostly fought at 155 catchweight or light middle weight I believe. So he is actually going up in weight class, not down.

Yes he walks around naturally at possibly 175, that has nothing to do with boxing weight classes.

Just because he walks around heavier does not mean he is a light heavy weight. Because boxers making light heavy weight can possibly be walking around 200 and then cut to 175, and be 190+ on fight day.

At the end of the day, its between two fighters to come to an agreement at what weight class they want to fight at.

Possibly 175? lol please. You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop wasting my time.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Fatso is a super middleweight fighting people 20 lbs lighters than him. This guy drains better than Lord's drainage system.

 

[shaz619]

Lol I was going to say the same thing about you.

Canelo and GGG had no re-hydration clause in their contract. So either one of them could put as much weight on as they want after weigh in.

Other than Canelo's last fight with Chavez, he mostly fought at 155 catchweight or light middle weight I believe. So he is actually going up in weight class, not down.

Yes he walks around naturally at possibly 175, that has nothing to do with boxing weight classes.

Just because he walks around heavier does not mean he is a light heavy weight. Because boxers making light heavy weight can possibly be walking around 200 and then cut to 175, and be 190+ on fight day.

At the end of the day, its between two fighters to come to an agreement at what weight class they want to fight at.

Mind the biggest boxing casual on PP

Anyhow Canelo walks around 185-195, he has been a big guy in the 154lb division but what casuals can't understand is the fact that if he was really really big he'd not be able to make weight compatibly because it's not easy killing yourself to make the limit in a class which you're allegedly way too big for, it would also be counter productive fighting whilst being severely weight drained (because even after rehydration significant damage would have been done, it can be physically taxing to drain an exorbitant amount of water before a weigh in !) and that would reflect in the ring as we saw with Chavez jr recently.

Anyhow, Canelo has defended his 160lb middleweight belt a 155lb; yes historically it's acceptable because such a title can be defended from 154lb onward's but his opponents have often been light middle weight fighters. Miguel Cotto has also fought below 160lb , he won the MW title at a 'catch weight' of 159, then made his defence against Geal at a 'catch weight' of 157 before facing Canelo at 155. I think a solution would be to go old school and scrap the light middle weight division which was only established in 1962, especially when 'light middle' weight fighters are contesting championship MW contests; it would also improve the depth in terms of the quality of fighters; contest for the MW championship anywhere between 154-160 and whether it's at 157 or 160, that can be at the discretion of the agreement between fighters as you've have pointed out.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In the end it was a close fight, I'd not have complained if either fighter won by a 2-3 point margin on the cards; there were many close rounds. It is just my opinion that Canelo edged GGG with his technically sound performance due his high in-ring IQ stemming from his counter punching style; his work a lot cleaner / more damaging (sure GGG got a granite chin but he still took bigger bombs which accounts for more then GGG's work with the Jab in my eyes which he was unable to follow up with enough or truly load up with power shots due to Canelo's movement). What did you make of the fight [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

First and foremost we have to applaud both fighters, rarely you see two great boxers with superb skills in the same ring. GGG and Canelo are future hall of famers, although GGG is 35 his physical ability is of a very high standard negating any age issues.

I think people are getting too worked up over the actual result, a draw will mean we get to see these two fight again in the next 12 months. My only issue is with Byrd having only given GGG 2 rounds, idiotic official who should be fired, not because of this but because of all her past idiotic scorecards too.

Canelo adjusted well, he didn't come forward and take the centre of the ring as he usually does so I was impressed with the way he fought on the backfoot and the shots he landed some were very powerful, more so than GGG.

GGG showed why he's an absolute beast, Canelo's power shots did hurt him but he was no way anywhere near off his feat let alone close to getting knocked down. I could understand whey people were predicting a knockout before the fight as both fighters have strong chins.

Looking forward to the rematch.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Unless GGG knocks canelo down once in each round of the rematch he wont get a decision against canelo. The pathetic scoring in fight once again showed how protected a fighter canelo is. Canelo spent most of the middle of fight running around the ring doing a bad impression of mayweather. There were articles galore before the fight saying that a couple of the judges were pretty poor at decision making and so it proved in the fight. Golden boy cudnt afford there only cash cow to lose and as is case with boxing in vegas the "protected cash cow" was saved. To be fair i thought the guy scoring the bout 114-114 was very poor aswell.

 

[Savak]

Unless GGG knocks canelo down once in each round of the rematch he wont get a decision against canelo. The pathetic scoring in fight once again showed how protected a fighter canelo is. Canelo spent most of the middle of fight running around the ring doing a bad impression of mayweather. There were articles galore before the fight saying that a couple of the judges were pretty poor at decision making and so it proved in the fight. Golden boy cudnt afford there only cash cow to lose and as is case with boxing in vegas the "protected cash cow" was saved. To be fair i thought the guy scoring the bout 114-114 was very poor aswell.

Nah, in the rematch i predict GGG will still come out on top, he will make adjustments and ofcourse the controversy of the first fight will pressurize the judges to give a more fair verdict i.e. GGG by decision.

Neither fighter is going to knock each other out but based on what i have seen, GGG is very capable of out working and out pointing Canelo.

 

[miandadrules]

Neither man convincingly deserved the win. But one thing I will say is that Canelo threw that fight away due to poor tactics. He seemed more interested in admiring his defensive prowess than throwing punches. After slipping shots he regularly took a few steps away with his chest puff out, almost congratulationing himself. He just wasn't active enough to clearly win the fight.

That said GGG just didn't land enough quality shots to claim he was robbed. Hitting arms and gloves, followed by pitter-patter jabs for large periods of the fight is hardly a convincing argument.

Canelo wasn't active enough but threw more quality shots, whereas GGG was more active but landed fewer quality shots.

The rematch depends on Canelo's stamina. If he can't be more active than he will be out-pointed. Though GGG will fight the same fight as he did here, as he hardly made any adjustments during the fight but he set a faster tempo earlier in a rematch and will probably win by 2-3 rounds.

 

[Da_Future_Knick]

Anyone get the feeling Canelo vs GGG 2 will have the same result as Martinez vs Williams 2?

I have a feeling GGG will lay Canelo out cold

 

[shaz619]

Neither man convincingly deserved the win. But one thing I will say is that Canelo threw that fight away due to poor tactics. He seemed more interested in admiring his defensive prowess than throwing punches. After slipping shots he regularly took a few steps away with his chest puff out, almost congratulationing himself. He just wasn't active enough to clearly win the fight.

That said GGG just didn't land enough quality shots to claim he was robbed. Hitting arms and gloves, followed by pitter-patter jabs for large periods of the fight is hardly a convincing argument.

Canelo wasn't active enough but threw more quality shots, whereas GGG was more active but landed fewer quality shots.

The rematch depends on Canelo's stamina. If he can't be more active than he will be out-pointed. Though GGG will fight the same fight as he did here, as he hardly made any adjustments during the fight but he set a faster tempo earlier in a rematch and will probably win by 2-3 rounds.

Good post, agree with it. Fans who have been overly invested in GGG have not been able to judge the fight objectively and have also been distracted by the shocking card from Byrd; otherwise am not really too fussed about the draw as an official result of the fight because like you say, neither man was able to stamp their authority.

You've fought before as well and you'd know that when you're dancing it takes a lot out of you; I have never seen Canelo display so much movement of the back-foot before; he always comes forward and has come across as someone who's a little flat footed at times. But this was the first instance where he actually made an incredible adjustment, however he wasn't active enough and nor did he counter a lot of those shots he was slipping; he's more compatible slipping shots and countering while he's static or coming forward; It must have been a big challenge for him to do just that regularly while his weight was on the back foot because it doesn't come so naturally as it does to someone like Jacobs because stylistically he's not that type of fighter.

I think that the key for Canelo should be to fight the same way in May and not go back to applying pressure, it will be the best way to prepare for the rematch and become more accustomed to fighting whilst constantly moving laterally; other then that he needs to focus heavily on his endurance levels. I still see the rematch being another close affair and with the kind of iron chins these guys have a stoppage is unlikely.

 

[SL_Fan]

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Was heck of a fight that one. Looked like both could have gone for another twelve rounds.

 

[SL_Fan]

Thought a draw was a fair result in the end. Again not sure what one of the judges was watching tho

Judge Adalaide Byrd scored the bout an inexplicable 118-110 in favor of Canelo Alvarez.

 

[shaz619]

Was heck of a fight that one. Looked like both could have gone for another twelve rounds.

They would have died

Another 3 rounds would have given us a more conclusive result , back in the day that's what 15 rounds were for but they also resulted in some pretty unfortunate fatalities. Am reading reports that the rematch is being discussed for May next year, but I've retired from watching boxing after the disgusting result yesterday in the JP/HF fight so you know mind me, I"ll go back to watching the WWE more transparency

 

[Asif khan]

I was rooting for Canelo but GGG was clearly robbed, Canelo didn't do enough and was gassed for more than half of the fight.