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According to NYTimes,

Indian Call-Center Plot Fooled Americans Into Paying Over $14 Million in the last two years.

I think most of us have received a call or two from these scumbags in India, so we know what we are talking about here.

We have a land line registered to my mother's name for about 21 years now.
My mother passed away about 11 years ago (may Allah bless her soul in peace. Ameen). Her name was one of those names that is common for both males and females of Pakistani origin.

Usually, when these stinky scammers from India call (takes less than a second to identify them), I extend them a few extremely hard core maa bhen type expletives, and hang up before giving them a chance to cuss back. This is how sick I have gotten from this nuance.

Sometimes I do receive a marketing call or two from Pakistan (very rarely), trying to sell an online Quran learning class for kids or trying to sell some other product (tv package/phone package etc). This is understandable and I can live with it, so I politely turn them down, and they don't persist.

But this one was different.
I saw Pakistan's country code on the caller's ID and picked up the phone.

The guy on the other end, asked for my mother's name to see if this person was available?
This was a classical sign of a scammer who didn't know that the person he is trying to reach has passed away more than a decade ago.

But since the call was from Pakistan, I got a lil curious and thought to verify what I expected.

So he asked me if I was the person he was trying to reach?
I said, Yes.
So he goes on with a scripted story about his mother having a cancer and being treated at a local hospital. And he had sold his rikshaw to pay off some of the bills; however a huge medical expense is in the works and he desperately needed money and wanted me to help him.

So I decided to give him a chance based on his face value.

I said, what's the name of the hospital your mother is admitted at?
He said, "Rehman complex".
And I wasn't aware of any hospital by this name in Peshawar, but still thought, perhaps it's a new hospital.

I said, gimme the ward # and bed # and I will have someone visit and see what can we do about it?

He slightly changed his story and said, "oh no, actually I took my mother home and we will visit the hospital again in a few days".

I said OK, where is this hospital located at?
He said, across from Nishtar Hospital. Again, another surprise for me.
I asked, where is Nishtar Hospital.

He goes, "Here in Multan".

Now, I know that I have never been to Multan, and neither do we have any family or friends in Multan, so this was another red flag.

So I asked him, OK and who gave you my #?
He said: Mr. Khalid.
I go, "Who is Khalid?"

He goes, "I was crying in the hospital when Khalid walked up to me gave me your #".

I said, get me Khalid's # so that I can call him and find out who is he, and verify your story?
He said, Sir, I don't know how to find Khalid.

I said OK, I will call the hospital and verify your mother's detail. And to his credit, he DID give the doctor's name who was treating his mother. And he didn't object to my quest when I said, OK I will speak with the Dr. at the hospital. (Perhaps the doctors is also involved ? lol)

To me, this was a 99% scammer call, a first one, that I received from Pakistan.

I think I gots to appreciate the scammers in Pakistan who have gone one level up, and got access to those list of Tel #'s in USA that Indian scammers use. I think these lists are available to all for a little money.

However, I am posting this OP for two reasons.

First, to see of any PPers are located in Multan and can meet this person at the hospital to verify his story, and if true, I will happily help him within my means. (I have his # saved from the caller's ID).

Second, if it WAS a scammer, then just wanting to give folks a heads up that this has started from Pakistan too.
 
You’re expecting a PPer to go to a hospital in Covid times and verify a story for your peace of mind?
 
Unfortunately this isn’t a uncommon occurrence (may be less than indian scam callers) but our fellow countryman are known for all kind of scams and frauds.

In places like Saudia and even in Desi shopping streets in the US, you will often encounter these pakistanis asking for money by telling you some fake story. Here a news headline from a couple of years ago:
https://www.samaa.tv/news/2018/08/t...-saudi-arabia-are-ruining-the-countrys-image/
 
You’re expecting a PPer to go to a hospital in Covid times and verify a story for your peace of mind?

cause he is a good guy and wants to help the guy if he is a genuine case... :inti
 
cause he is a good guy and wants to help the guy if he is a genuine case... :inti

But don’t you think it’s a very unreasonable ask even if he somehow finds someone in Multan on PP (almost zero chance of that)?

I’d say calling the hospital anonymously and using that route would be better especially in covid times
 
Unfortunately this isn’t a uncommon occurrence (may be less than indian scam callers) but our fellow countryman are known for all kind of scams and frauds.

In places like Saudia and even in Desi shopping streets in the US, you will often encounter these pakistanis asking for money by telling you some fake story. Here a news headline from a couple of years ago:
https://www.samaa.tv/news/2018/08/t...-saudi-arabia-are-ruining-the-countrys-image/

Even in Masjid-e-Nabvi it happens.

When I went to Umrah for the first time; we went to Medina first, and on my first prayer there I met an Indian Muslim there who stopped me just after prayer. He told me a dukh bari dastaan on how he was in a mini stampede when trying to see the Prophet’s roza and lost his wallet in the chaos. And then he told how his mother had become very sick in Medina only and he had no money on him. He gave a very convincing performance and on top of that in my naivety I had thought such scams would never happen in Masjid-e-Nabvi of all places.

I was fooled by him so much that I gave him the 1,000 Riyals I had on me and said I will pray for you and you do same for me. I was a kid and the 1,000 riyal was just an emergency fund my dad had given me Just in case.

For another prayer few hours later; another guy approached with another sad story and I said ‘bro I don’t have anything on me.’ And this kept happening every other day to the point where it was obvious that these were scams for the most part and I learn to ignore and not engage.

Anyways I was still hoping that the guy I had helped was genuine at least. But that hope was shattered in our last day in Medina before we went to Makkah when I saw that same guy relaying the same story to some other desi guy.

I was a teenager when this happened and was very shareef I guess and could never fathom Muslims would run scams in the holiest of these places. Obviously that got shattered then and now I’ve even heard about tharki men molesting and harassing women when doing the tawaf around Kaabah. So I really can’t put anything beyond anyone
 
Knowing Indian scammers, they prob want to shift the blame onto Pakistanis now.
 
Even in Masjid-e-Nabvi it happens.

When I went to Umrah for the first time; we went to Medina first, and on my first prayer there I met an Indian Muslim there who stopped me just after prayer. He told me a dukh bari dastaan on how he was in a mini stampede when trying to see the Prophet’s roza and lost his wallet in the chaos. And then he told how his mother had become very sick in Medina only and he had no money on him. He gave a very convincing performance and on top of that in my naivety I had thought such scams would never happen in Masjid-e-Nabvi of all places.

I was fooled by him so much that I gave him the 1,000 Riyals I had on me and said I will pray for you and you do same for me. I was a kid and the 1,000 riyal was just an emergency fund my dad had given me Just in case.

For another prayer few hours later; another guy approached with another sad story and I said ‘bro I don’t have anything on me.’ And this kept happening every other day to the point where it was obvious that these were scams for the most part and I learn to ignore and not engage.

Anyways I was still hoping that the guy I had helped was genuine at least. But that hope was shattered in our last day in Medina before we went to Makkah when I saw that same guy relaying the same story to some other desi guy.

I was a teenager when this happened and was very shareef I guess and could never fathom Muslims would run scams in the holiest of these places. Obviously that got shattered then and now I’ve even heard about tharki men molesting and harassing women when doing the tawaf around Kaabah. So I really can’t put anything beyond anyone

Thats crazy man! Do you think these were Saudi residents or people coming from abroad to do Umrah while scamming at the same time?
 
Thats crazy man! Do you think these were Saudi residents or people coming from abroad to do Umrah while scamming at the same time?

I think both. Many are residents of the KSA and turn up at Khana-e-Kaba to make some extra money by begging. Others are visitors from Subcontinent there on umrah visa and trying to recoup some of their costs.

When i went for Umrah some years ago I was surprised to see many many families (with kids etc) from subcontinent just sleeping rough on the premises of the Masjid al-haram and just getting the food etc from the free handouts. I was confused how they we’re allowed to get there for umrah because if you are coming from a place like UK you have to provide proofs that you ve means to support yourself while there (hotel reservations, bank statements, flight confirmation etc etc).
 
Thats crazy man! Do you think these were Saudi residents or people coming from abroad to do Umrah while scamming at the same time?

I think a mix generally. It was very heartbreaking tbh. It would have been one thing if these were non Muslims but for a Muslim to do this at the holiest of places is very pathetic. (Note that this is obv a very very minuscule percentage considering the hundreds of thousands who do this weekly)

And I’m sure people want to do charity there and have big hearts so these scammers end up getting lot of success.

The worst thing is in future People like me will be weary and likely not help one off cases like these which will end up hurting people with genuine need.

I mean this happens everywhere in the world but I was just a bit naive to expect Makkah Medina to be free from this.
 
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You’re expecting a PPer to go to a hospital in Covid times and verify a story for your peace of mind?

That's the first thing that came to my mind. Some people live in an alternate universe.

Its one thing if some family member is at the hospital and asking if someone is from that place and can provide essentials in case of emergency.

But premise of this post is so surreal that I've no words for it.
 
That's the first thing that came to my mind. Some people live in an alternate universe.

Its one thing if some family member is at the hospital and asking if someone is from that place and can provide essentials in case of emergency.

But premise of this post is so surreal that I've no words for it.

If you try to re-read the OP (perhaps a little slowly this time), you may notice that I did not ask any particular PPer to visit the hospital.
It was only an optional choice and no one in particular was requested to take any effort.

And yeah, from what I've heard from someone who arrived from Pakistan just yesterday that hardly anyone takes any precautionary measures against Covid in Pakistan. Life is going just as normal with hardly anyone wearing a mask.
Matter of fact, in some cases if you wear a mask, folks make fun of you.

So I guess, in these circumstances, I think Covid will be last thing making anyone avoid visiting a hospital.

However, lets talk about the "premise" of the OP.

What was so "surreal" in the OP, for which you have "no words"?

The assertion that the stinking indian tel scammers are scumbags? Or the proposition that the caller from Pakistan was a scammer?
 
Unfortunately this isn’t a uncommon occurrence (may be less than indian scam callers) but our fellow countryman are known for all kind of scams and frauds.

In places like Saudia and even in Desi shopping streets in the US, you will often encounter these pakistanis asking for money by telling you some fake story. Here a news headline from a couple of years ago:
https://www.samaa.tv/news/2018/08/t...-saudi-arabia-are-ruining-the-countrys-image/

Happened with in front of me in the UAE. Two Pakistani men tried to strike a conversation (usual India-Pakistan chat, cultural similarities, there should be no borders, etc.) and one of my friends ended up giving his phone number to them. Next day they called him to ask for money.
 
Happened with in front of me in the UAE. Two Pakistani men tried to strike a conversation (usual India-Pakistan chat, cultural similarities, there should be no borders, etc.) and one of my friends ended up giving his phone number to them. Next day they called him to ask for money.

In Uk its also very common to encounter Mawali type indians begging for money outside Betting shops and Liquor stores. Especially in ghetto areas like Southall, Hounslow etc
So indeed there are quite a bit of similarities between Indo/Pak.
 
In Uk its also very common to encounter Mawali type indians begging for money outside Betting shops and Liquor stores. Especially in ghetto areas like Southall, Hounslow etc
So indeed there are quite a bit of similarities between Indo/Pak.

These people are just lazy/unethical. Countries like UK and UAE give one enough opportunities to make good money the right way.
 
It’s mostly the boomers who fall into this trap. I’ve had to snap my dad out of this twice now. First time they called talking about some ** issue with the computer and he was typing some sketchy address in some kind of search bar from the start menu. Told him hang up you’re getting scammed.

That’s how they get you. Either they claim they heard something about your computer, you owe X amount of money, etc etc.

People age 40 and younger don’t fall for these tricks due to being exposed to the internet so early
 
Even in Masjid-e-Nabvi it happens.

When I went to Umrah for the first time; we went to Medina first, and on my first prayer there I met an Indian Muslim there who stopped me just after prayer. He told me a dukh bari dastaan on how he was in a mini stampede when trying to see the Prophet’s roza and lost his wallet in the chaos. And then he told how his mother had become very sick in Medina only and he had no money on him. He gave a very convincing performance and on top of that in my naivety I had thought such scams would never happen in Masjid-e-Nabvi of all places.

I was fooled by him so much that I gave him the 1,000 Riyals I had on me and said I will pray for you and you do same for me. I was a kid and the 1,000 riyal was just an emergency fund my dad had given me Just in case.

For another prayer few hours later; another guy approached with another sad story and I said ‘bro I don’t have anything on me.’ And this kept happening every other day to the point where it was obvious that these were scams for the most part and I learn to ignore and not engage.

Anyways I was still hoping that the guy I had helped was genuine at least. But that hope was shattered in our last day in Medina before we went to Makkah when I saw that same guy relaying the same story to some other desi guy.

I was a teenager when this happened and was very shareef I guess and could never fathom Muslims would run scams in the holiest of these places. Obviously that got shattered then and now I’ve even heard about tharki men molesting and harassing women when doing the tawaf around Kaabah. So I really can’t put anything beyond anyone

Yeah man, you gotta stay sharp in Mecca and Medina. Don’t take any valuables with you when going to either of the masajid. There’s pickpockets and whatnot as well.

These people have zero sharam even in the most holy of sites let alone the House of Allah.
 
Even in Masjid-e-Nabvi it happens.

When I went to Umrah for the first time; we went to Medina first, and on my first prayer there I met an Indian Muslim there who stopped me just after prayer. He told me a dukh bari dastaan on how he was in a mini stampede when trying to see the Prophet’s roza and lost his wallet in the chaos. And then he told how his mother had become very sick in Medina only and he had no money on him. He gave a very convincing performance and on top of that in my naivety I had thought such scams would never happen in Masjid-e-Nabvi of all places.

I was fooled by him so much that I gave him the 1,000 Riyals I had on me and said I will pray for you and you do same for me. I was a kid and the 1,000 riyal was just an emergency fund my dad had given me Just in case.

For another prayer few hours later; another guy approached with another sad story and I said ‘bro I don’t have anything on me.’ And this kept happening every other day to the point where it was obvious that these were scams for the most part and I learn to ignore and not engage.

Anyways I was still hoping that the guy I had helped was genuine at least. But that hope was shattered in our last day in Medina before we went to Makkah when I saw that same guy relaying the same story to some other desi guy.

I was a teenager when this happened and was very shareef I guess and could never fathom Muslims would run scams in the holiest of these places. Obviously that got shattered then and now I’ve even heard about tharki men molesting and harassing women when doing the tawaf around Kaabah. So I really can’t put anything beyond anyone


This is actually a very well organized way to make money.

Scammers carefully plan the trip to these Holy places during Ramadhan and Hajj, and then target the pilgrims.

First time this SAME EXACT story that happened to a family friend of ours, was a good 30 years ago.
Our friend helped this guy in Makkah, and then saw him again doing the same thing to someone else.

Others simply plan the trip to beg in the streets. Supposedly they make good money too and the trip is all worth it.
 
If you try to re-read the OP (perhaps a little slowly this time), you may notice that I did not ask any particular PPer to visit the hospital.
It was only an optional choice and no one in particular was requested to take any effort.

And yeah, from what I've heard from someone who arrived from Pakistan just yesterday that hardly anyone takes any precautionary measures against Covid in Pakistan. Life is going just as normal with hardly anyone wearing a mask.
Matter of fact, in some cases if you wear a mask, folks make fun of you.

So I guess, in these circumstances, I think Covid will be last thing making anyone avoid visiting a hospital.

However, lets talk about the "premise" of the OP.

What was so "surreal" in the OP, for which you have "no words"?

The assertion that the stinking indian tel scammers are scumbags? Or the proposition that the caller from Pakistan was a scammer?

Are you seriously expecting any PPer to go to hospital and check? Forget The covid angle here. (Even though it’s very relevant even if the general population isn’t following protocols)

Out of curiosity. If I (someone you don’t know much about beyond screen name) ever needed for someone to go up and check who occupies a house in your hometown and confirm whether the people living there are destitute; Would you volunteer to go and check it if I made a thread regarding that?
 
Happened with in front of me in the UAE. Two Pakistani men tried to strike a conversation (usual India-Pakistan chat, cultural similarities, there should be no borders, etc.) and one of my friends ended up giving his phone number to them. Next day they called him to ask for money.

This is not scamming.
 
Are you seriously expecting any PPer to go to hospital and check? Forget The covid angle here. (Even though it’s very relevant even if the general population isn’t following protocols)

Out of curiosity. If I (someone you don’t know much about beyond screen name) ever needed for someone to go up and check who occupies a house in your hometown and confirm whether the people living there are destitute; Would you volunteer to go and check it if I made a thread regarding that?

If someone had a mother on her death bed AT A HOSPITAL, and he genuinely needed help then perhaps most of us would try to help. Not sure about you.

Read the scenario again, no one visiting anyone's house visit is involved here.
 
If someone had a mother on her death bed AT A HOSPITAL, and he genuinely needed help then perhaps most of us would try to help. Not sure about you.

Read the scenario again, no one visiting anyone's house visit is involved here.

Lot of ifs. You didn’t answer my scenario. It is similar to yours. That is I don’t know the party I have a doubt about and basically want you to go and check if it is genuine.

The example you give in this post (some specific members’ mother on deathbed in a hospital) and the one in OP ( an unsolicited call from a person you don’t even know) are very different.

You are basically asking people to go on a wild goose chase to see if your hunch of a scam is true. The poster here does Not know you but you are asking to him to help someone you don’t know either...

Anyways point is you live in a fantasy world of you think most people will go through with that. Even if the person in hospital was someone you personally knew, the odds of a poster here making that trip
 
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If you try to re-read the OP (perhaps a little slowly this time), you may notice that I did not ask any particular PPer to visit the hospital.
It was only an optional choice and no one in particular was requested to take any effort.

And yeah, from what I've heard from someone who arrived from Pakistan just yesterday that hardly anyone takes any precautionary measures against Covid in Pakistan. Life is going just as normal with hardly anyone wearing a mask.
Matter of fact, in some cases if you wear a mask, folks make fun of you.

So I guess, in these circumstances, I think Covid will be last thing making anyone avoid visiting a hospital.

However, lets talk about the "premise" of the OP.

What was so "surreal" in the OP, for which you have "no words"?

The assertion that the stinking indian tel scammers are scumbags? Or the proposition that the caller from Pakistan was a scammer?

Indian tel scammers are **** bags and lowest creatures on earth who parasites upon elderly people who gives away their retired hard earned money. I despise them. Whatever ***** you want to throw upon these Indian scammers, I am with you by your side.

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You didn't ask any particular PP but you asked the community.

"First, to see of any PPers are located in Multan and can meet this person at the hospital to verify his story,"

As I've said earlier, you live an alternate universe with unrealistic expectations from people. If by your frame of reference, you can't see what unrealistic, you won't understand. Not only me but others too stating the same.
 
a place near my hometown is famous for such scamsters and had a netflix series on it. they have been proving that the fool and his money are soon parted.
 
Lot of ifs. You didn’t answer my scenario. It is similar to yours. That is I don’t know the party I have a doubt about and basically want you to go and check if it is genuine.

The example you give in this post (some specific members’ mother on deathbed in a hospital) and the one in OP ( an unsolicited call from a person you don’t even know) are very different.

You are basically asking people to go on a wild goose chase to see if your hunch of a scam is true. The poster here does Not know you but you are asking to him to help someone you don’t know either...

Anyways point is you live in a fantasy world of you think most people will go through with that. Even if the person in hospital was someone you personally knew, the odds of a poster here making that trip

I don’t have an iota worth issue if no one wants to visit the hospital. How hard is it to understand?
 
a place near my hometown is famous for such scamsters and had a netflix series on it. they have been proving that the fool and his money are soon parted.

Not all are fool.
The scumbags near your home town mostly target senior citizens in USA who are not tech savvy, and in general, they trust the local American institutions. Some of them fall for this scam, and your likes calls them a “fool”.

Many of these law abiding and tax paying retirees are genuine citizens who have worked hard to make an honest living, and saved for retirement.

But yeah, viewing from your shameless mindset, they must look “fools” to you.
Not surprising.

One should rather condemn the stinkers near your hometown, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see that you are actually proud of them.
 
Not all are fool.
The scumbags near your home town mostly target senior citizens in USA who are not tech savvy, and in general, they trust the local American institutions. Some of them fall for this scam, and your likes calls them a “fool”.

Many of these law abiding and tax paying retirees are genuine citizens who have worked hard to make an honest living, and saved for retirement.

But yeah, viewing from your shameless mindset, they must look “fools” to you.
Not surprising.

One should rather condemn the stinkers near your hometown, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see that you are actually proud of them.

It is not my view. The Bible says that fools and his money are soon parted.
 
It is not my view. The Bible says that fools and his money are soon parted.

Does Bible say anything about those who cheat and deceive others or you just cherry picked what suited your mindset?
The scumbags near your hometown must be taking lessons from the Bible, no?
 
Does Bible say anything about those who cheat and deceive others or you just cherry picked what suited your mindset?
The scumbags near your hometown must be taking lessons from the Bible, no?

explaining something doesnt mean supporting it or justifying it. You need to understand this new concept.
 
Happened to me when I first came to UAE. a pakistani man with his wife and 3 kids spun a story that he travelled from Oman to meet his brother who is nowhere to be found and he doesn't have any money to buy petrol for his drive back to Muscat. I ended up giving him 100 AED. The wife and kids and his red car fooled me.
I saw this family scamming someone again after a week when I was driving by. Lots of such cases happening. I get lot of calls from +92 number and offering money doubling schemes or advising me to check my credit card bill for some wrong entries etc.
They hang-up as soon as I start laughing.
 
If someone had a mother on her death bed AT A HOSPITAL, and he genuinely needed help then perhaps most of us would try to help. Not sure about you.

Read the scenario again, no one visiting anyone's house visit is involved here.

Man, you've proven on this thread that you are the ripe target for these scammers.

A random guy calls you from 3 continents away, changes names of cities and hospitals within the span of a phone call, is reluctant to share details when pressed, but is happy to give you the number of an accomplice. And you still are ready to open the purse-strings to fund the loser's ambitions.
 
If you do charity, chances are you will be scammed at some point. it is part of the deal. Sometimes you have to purposely get scammed so that the other person gets the money he needs.
 
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