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This is just not right. This is illegal happening in front of our eyes. I couldn't help myself but to cry.
Indian own constitution says to remove 370 the bill has to pass through j& k Assembly but this is day light robbery.
 
J&K is all set to be taken over by sardars from Punjab. They have been waiting a long time for this.
 
A friend of mine told me that the scrapping of Article 370 is mostly symbolic. Legally speaking, not much has changed.

Can anyone familiar with the Indian constitution or jurispudence confirm this?
 
Which chest thumper talked about the destruction of a particular religion?

Almost all of you are ready to see ethnic cleaning of Kashmiris but when someone post something against you guys. Your LOL comes out. hypocrites. I am so thankful we got a separate country Thanks Jinnah and Iqbal
 
It was an contract which India Violated Now India is officially occupying our land by illegal manners
 
A friend of mine told me that the scrapping of Article 370 is mostly symbolic. Legally speaking, not much has changed.

Can anyone familiar with the Indian constitution or jurispudence confirm this?

The big change that affects kashmiris is that now any indian can purchase land in J&k, politicians will try and make a meal out of it, but unless there is actual development no one is going there just because they can, that's not how migration works.

The politicians are ones who will suffer the most as suddenly they can't rule their little fiefdoms locally anymore, there is no change in RS and LS seats, just that you get a LG instead of a governor with more powers than governor had, the state government had a lot more powers than UT. But on a local level for a citizen there won't be much of a change.
 
Almost all of you are ready to see ethnic cleaning of Kashmiris but when someone post something against you guys. You LOL comes out. hypocrites

You guys? Find me a post where I supported ethnic cleansing of Kashmiris or anyone else for that matter? His hinduphobic comments were expected. It's not my fault that the ghazwa e hind fantasies of certain Muslims have taken a u turn.
 
Don't worry my bro Allah doesn't let injustice happen with anyone. Justice will be served either on this duniya or life after. May Allah make it easy and safe for the brothers in Kashmir. Ameen
 
370 was temporary, it was bound to be scrapped by someone with a pair .
 
Omg just called a frd he is broken. He started crying. India you have broken our hearts this will not go well. ☹️
 
Don't worry my bro Allah doesn't let injustice happen with anyone. Justice will be served either on this duniya or life after. May Allah make it easy and safe for the brothers in Kashmir. Ameen

People back home haven't heard about the decision. I fear the consequences.. I fear it. I am broken, Crying
 
This is just not right. This is illegal happening in front of our eyes. I couldn't help myself but to cry.
Indian own constitution says to remove 370 the bill has to pass through j& k Assembly but this is day light robbery.
Weren’t you saying what will scrapping article 370 do in another thread?
You have your answer.
People who having going on about article 370 giving them seperate rights and identity yada yada, can shut the hell up now or cry.
Great decision, enough with the status quo.. something will happen happen after this.
Let’s wait and watch i guess... it could be a lot of crying on both Indian side and Kashmiri separatist side.
Freedom isn’t given to nations on a platter or by begging.
Either Kashmiri take it out from India or integrate within the union.
 
Weren’t you saying what will scrapping article 370 do in another thread?
You have your answer.
People who having going on about article 370 giving them seperate rights and identity yada yada, can shut the hell up now or cry.
Great decision, enough with the status quo.. something will happen happen after this.
Let’s wait and watch i guess... it could be a lot of crying on both Indian side and Kashmiri separatist side.
Freedom isn’t given to nations on a platter or by begging.
Either Kashmiri take it out from India or integrate within the union.

We will die but never ever accept you and freedom is not achieved in a day. 60,000 British army ruled you for 200 years but to rule us you need 15 lakh army that is saying where we are.
The poster in that thread was asking irrelevant questions which I answered him.
 
We will die but never ever accept you and freedom is not achieved in a day. 60,000 British army ruled you for 200 years but to rule us you need 15 lakh army that is saying where we are.
The poster in that thread was asking irrelevant questions which I answered him.

who do you want then to rule you.
 
Whoever people will decide by referendum as said at that time
 
What will actually change day-to-day for the average Kashmiri as a result of this?

Do people really expect floods of Indians to start moving into Kashmir?

Im not sure they think they will be all that welcome...
 
Whoever people will decide by referendum as said at that time

If India gives in to Kashmir, every other state would like their independence as there are so many different regions in India.

It is more politicians who want rule rather than people wanting it.

Why should Kashmiris get special treatment.
 
If India gives in to Kashmir, every other state would like their independence as there are so many different regions in India.

It is more politicians who want rule rather than people wanting it.

Why should Kashmiris get special treatment.
History Brother Kashmir was never like other states lil bit history will help you. Kashmir aceeded on some conditions why are you forgetting that?
 
I sympathize with those folks who identify as Kashmiris, but I think you need to accept his move and hope that you have local elections at some stage where your representatives can do right by their constituents
 
History Brother Kashmir was never like other states lil bit history will help you. Kashmir aceeded on some conditions why are you forgetting that?

That was done 70 years ago to protect a selfish human being and we have seen what that special status has resulted.It is high time that was removed and made Kashmir part of India .Today Kashmir has become officially part of India and now let booming economy of India help Kashmir grow and become the real Jannat .
 
What will actually change day-to-day for the average Kashmiri as a result of this?

Do people really expect floods of Indians to start moving into Kashmir?

Im not sure they think they will be all that welcome...

The army personnel will buy homes and corporates will take over.. esp cement etc..
 
I equate article 370 to second amendment.Both were written and implemented for different times.They no longer have any need for either of them.
 
The army personnel will buy homes and corporates will take over.. esp cement etc..

Army, ex army, Punjabis, corporates, real estate tycoons and the rich who want to buy swanky lake front homes. If you think some average lungi wearing South Indian guy is going to buy, then no. Place gets too cold for lungis in winter.
 
Army, ex army, Punjabis, corporates, real estate tycoons and the rich who want to buy swanky lake front homes. If you think some average lungi wearing South Indian guy is going to buy, then no. Place gets too cold for lungis in winter.

Many south Indians in Canada.. almost so many from Lanka, another point being Punjabis wear lungis it was the attire of the truck driver almost till 80s..
 
Army, ex army, Punjabis, corporates, real estate tycoons and the rich who want to buy swanky lake front homes. If you think some average lungi wearing South Indian guy is going to buy, then no. Place gets too cold for lungis in winter.

You really think that the Army and ex-army guys haven't had enough of Kashmir. There are plenty of other places in India where you can buy 'swanky, lakefront homes', without having a threat to your life.

Why would anyone buy a home and move their family in a place where they feel unwelcomed? In another thread, posters are talking about killing non-muslims, and start border shelling to target 'Indian Hindus'.

The demographics won't change in such an atmosphere.
 
That was done 70 years ago to protect a selfish human being and we have seen what that special status has resulted.It is high time that was removed and made Kashmir part of India .Today Kashmir has become officially part of India and now let booming economy of India help Kashmir grow and become the real Jannat .

Two former cms arrested right now, All tourism destroyed due to the selfishness of Indian govt, whole kashmir made a prison lol certainly economy is growing. Welcome to occupation
 
How are you people having internet access to post? Are the services restored?

I am personally happy with abolishment of 370, all are equal in a nation.
 
You really think that the Army and ex-army guys haven't had enough of Kashmir. There are plenty of other places in India where you can buy 'swanky, lakefront homes', without having a threat to your life.

Why would anyone buy a home and move their family in a place where they feel unwelcomed? In another thread, posters are talking about killing non-muslims, and start border shelling to target 'Indian Hindus'.

The demographics won't change in such an atmosphere.

If Israelis can settle amongst more violent Palestinians, I'm assuming rest of India can settle in Kashmir. They don't need to buy a home in Srinagar. It can be in Jammu, ladakh.also, Muslim businessmen and Rich can buy properties too. It's not as tough
 
Two former cms arrested right now, All tourism destroyed due to the selfishness of Indian govt, whole kashmir made a prison lol certainly economy is growing. Welcome to occupation

People like you who want to live in history will be fewer and fewer.Kashmir was/is part of India, people like those two former CMS is the reason why Kashmir has become a cess pool.

Kashmir needs help from other Indians and they will gladly provide it.Stop hatred and start living life.
 
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Those who are dreaming scrapping 370 would integrate kashmir with India remember it was the contract holding two together scrapping it meant illegal occupation.
 
Those who are dreaming scrapping 370 would integrate kashmir with India remember it was the contract holding two together scrapping it meant illegal occupation.
Leave the law to people who understand and make constitutional laws.
Not for you to interrupt and understand the meaning of them. Unless you are an expert in it?

You are not dreaming, it has happened, article 370 has been scrapped. It passed both houses in India.
 
Those who are dreaming scrapping 370 would integrate kashmir with India remember it was the contract holding two together scrapping it meant illegal occupation.

Already people on twitter and Facebook groups are discussing about which areas to buy land in Kashmir in and which are the reliable real estate companies to buy through. A lot of rich Dubai Malayali muslims are planning to make investments within 6 months and build businesses in Kashmir so that once they form a foundation there their non muslim Malayali friends can subsequently join them and expand. A big group of merchants from Gujarat are working with an even faster time frame. The plans for investment opportunity in Kashmir is spreading like wildfire among Gujaratis and Malayalis.

Kashmiris will see a booming economy and a lot of construction soon. Additionally the central government will surely come with some huge infrastructure projects.

What I meant with integrate is that so far Kashmiris could go to any part of India and buy land or other investments and settle down. That was just one way integration as non Kashmiris could not buy land in Kashmir. Going forward it is going to be two way integration.
 
Those who are dreaming scrapping 370 would integrate kashmir with India remember it was the contract holding two together scrapping it meant illegal occupation.

Even before this was abolished you said it was illegal occupation, and even now you are saying the same.
 
Even before this was abolished you said it was illegal occupation, and even now you are saying the same.

Itz now official.. Now even those leaders who support India are saying this.
 
Ok.. so its the same as per you..

370 was the contract which was holding the two together but you violated( contract by putting the opposition party in jail, blocked everything) it without consulting other party what does that mean?
 
Itz now official.. Now even those leaders who support India are saying this.

Of course they will, they are politicians. They want to be elected again.
I’m sure this will be challenged in SC, let’s see if it holds there or not.
 
370 was the contract which was holding the two together but you violated( contract by putting the opposition party in jail, blocked everything) it without consulting other party what does that mean?

Didn't Sheikh Abdullah do something similar?
 
You really think that the Army and ex-army guys haven't had enough of Kashmir. There are plenty of other places in India where you can buy 'swanky, lakefront homes', without having a threat to your life.

Why would anyone buy a home and move their family in a place where they feel unwelcomed? In another thread, posters are talking about killing non-muslims, and start border shelling to target 'Indian Hindus'.

The demographics won't change in such an atmosphere.

All other lakes in mainland India are dried up, only some left in Kashmir. Yes, moon soon creates many temporary lakes allover.
 
Why You’re Wrong In Celebrating The Removal Of Article 370
Atif Yamin in Governance, Kashmir, News, Politics
a day ago
Today, a bill to scrap off Article 370 of the Indian Constitution was introduced in the Parliament by the Union Home Minister, Amit Shah. A lot of us look at it as the permanent ‘solution’ to the problem of Kashmir. But here is why the move is wrong at all fronts:

Breach Of Contract
On October 26 1947, in the wake of the Pakistani people occupying a large part of Jammu and Kashmir (what we today call PoK), the then ruler of the state, Maharaja Hari Singh signed the Instrument of Accession. It merged the state of Jammu and Kashmir with the Union of India and it is the sole thread binding the two pieces of land. Under the Instrument of Accession, Jammu and Kashmir surrendered three subjects — defense, external affairs, and communications but it came with a few strings attached.

Clause 7 of the Instrument of Accession signed by Maharaja Hari Singh declared that the State could not be compelled to accept any future Constitution of India. The State was within its rights to draft its own Constitution and to decide for itself what additional powers to extend to the Central Government. Article 370 was designed to protect those rights.

Unlike what a lot of us believe, Jammu and Kashmir was not the only state to bargain its share of privileges. There were 12 states who got Special Provisions. Therefore, today when the President signs that bill, all it means is that the Union of India is going back on its words. The same words that got Jammu and Kashmir signing the agreement.

We cannot, therefore, ignore the fact that Article 370 is the basis of the contract called the Instrument of Accession.


A light aircraft tows a banner with the words “India Stop Genocide & Free Kashmir” in the sky above the ground during the 2019 Cricket World Cup group stage match between Sri Lanka and India at Headingley in Leeds, northern England, on July 6, 2019. (Photo by Dibyangshu Sarkar / AFP)
An Attack On Federalism
India calls itself a Union of States. The Constitution guarantees every single state the right to self governance which is why we have Chief Ministers in every state, unlike Union Territories where we have Lieutenant Governors appointed by the Centre.

Jammu and Kashmir signed to be a State and not a Union Territory. So, today, even after the President signs the piece of paper that was given just an hour of discussion to decide the fate of 1.25 crore people, it will have to pass through the state legislative assembly with a two-third majority. Right now, the Governor of Jammu and Kashmir, former BJP Leader, has dissolved the state assembly making him the Constitutional head of the state. To the President, Amit Shah quoted the Governor’s consent as the consent of the State. RIP federalism!

The Pride India Took In The UN’s Advice
When India approached the United Nations to solve the Kashmir crisis, the solution that was laid out had three conditions:

Demilitarisation of PoK by Pakistan
Demilitarisation by India
A referendum to be conducted wherein the Kashmiris will decide their fate
Until today, owing to Article 35(A), no outsider could own a property in Jammu and Kashmir. This always gave an upper edge to India on the international platform which, unlike Pakistan, claimed that only the original inhabitants and their families live in Jammu and Kashmir. So, if a referendum were to take place today (although it is highly unlikely), only the actual stakeholders would vote for themselves. Now, anyone can go in and be a resident of Kashmir. So, the bleakest possibility of a referendum is now permanently ruled out.

By the way, outsiders cannot own land in Himachal Pradesh too.

What Does Scrapping Article 370 Actually Mean?
Jammu and Kashmir already has the Armed Forces Special Powers Act. After today, it will be divided into two separate Union Territories: Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh. The former will have an assembly but will still be ruled by the LG.

Today’s move very clearly states that the local leadership of the State does not matter to the Union. The Union holds absolute authority over the State now. The representation of the Kashmiris would no matter have a say for issues relating to Kashmir.

The local leaders are under house arrest, just like Atal Bihari Vajpayee and LK Advani were, during the emergency. The Amarnath Yatra has been called off for the first time in 25 years. Army deployment is at its peak. Communication is suspended between Jammu and Kashmir and the rest of India.

Today, let us just take time out to read what Jayaprakash Narayan had to say in 1966 about Kashmir, “If we continue to rule by force and suppress these people and crush them or change the racial or religious character of their state by colonization, or by any other means, then I think that means politically a most obnoxious thing to do.”

Also Read: Government Succeeds In Revoking Article 370: Were Amit Shah’s Shrewd Strategies At Play?
Rajdeep Sardesai also has an interesting take on the whole issue, “Societies move ahead by instilling hope and confidence in its citizens, not by spreading fear and uncertainty. And genuine change never comes at gunpoint but through reforming hearts and minds.”

So, while you will be thumping your chests with chants of support today, there will be thousands of students from Jammu and Kashmir who would have no channel of communication with their parents back home.

Congratulations 🙂
 
How biased you could be you have the audacity to show how a fraction of people are celebrating but you become blind when you see how 10 million people are thrown in jails and how are they feeling
 
370 was the contract which was holding the two together but you violated( contract by putting the opposition party in jail, blocked everything) it without consulting other party what does that mean?

Has internet been restored over there?
 
How biased you could be you have the audacity to show how a fraction of people are celebrating but you become blind when you see how 10 million people are thrown in jails and how are they feeling

They were there with you for last 70 years and holds largest chunk of land yet they felt they were discriminated it's now their time to celebrate azadi.
 
They were there with you for last 70 years and holds largest chunk of land yet they felt they were discriminated it's now their time to celebrate azadi.

Ladakh is a region and kargil is there where complete shutdown is observed from yesterday. You saw some BJP gundas celebrating and you are blabbing on that not seeing the large picture
 
Ladakh is a region and kargil is there where complete shutdown is observed from yesterday. You saw some BJP gundas celebrating and you are blabbing on that not seeing the large picture

Lol at BJP gundas listen to what Congress leaders said https://youtu.be/LCHJVG9l7c4
There is no shut down in Kargil it's under curfew that too due to on-going cross loc situation. There were hardly any shut downs in Kargil during those days of so called unrest in valley.
 
Another audio from an authentic source in Kashmir confirms 3-4 deaths so far.

“One from Noorbagh and two from South Kashmir, I heard a child has been killed as well”

“The tension is very very palpable and everything is uncertain as of now”

#Kashmir #KashmirBleeds https://t.co/Vtw6FPoGhs
 
Another audio from an authentic source in Kashmir confirms 3-4 deaths so far.

“One from Noorbagh and two from South Kashmir, I heard a child has been killed as well”

“The tension is very very palpable and everything is uncertain as of now”

#Kashmir #KashmirBleeds https://t.co/Vtw6FPoGhs

So India has started their killing mission.. This is what I feared for
 
You're replying to our own comments? Who is this "authentic" source? Where is the audio?

Open the link you will get the audio. Itz from a doctor Who is working in skims. Ya replied my own post what is your problem with that?
 
Open the link you will get the audio. Itz from a doctor Who is working in skims. Ya replied my own post what is your problem with that?

Read the comments in the same thread. Somebody confirmed it's a rumor and there's peace
 
All those spreading knowledge about #JammuAndKashmir development hampered by #Article370 should see this one data - rural consumption level in J&K was better than ‘Vibrant’ Gujarat in 2012!
Urban only slightly lower. https://t.co/kYVeOFL1xL
 
All those spreading knowledge about #JammuAndKashmir development hampered by #Article370 should see this one data - rural consumption level in J&K was better than ‘Vibrant’ Gujarat in 2012!
Urban only slightly lower. https://t.co/kYVeOFL1xL

That's because they receive close to 90k rupees per capita in hand outs from the central government. While Gujarat and other states get less than 1/10th of that. So somebody is giving you free money and you are spending it. That's the stat you just showed.
 
That's because they receive close to 90k rupees per capita in hand outs from the central government. While Gujarat and other states get less than 1/10th of that. So somebody is giving you free money and you are spending it. That's the stat you just showed.

You are a joker lol free money
 
Indian trolls are having a field day. They think scrapping some article have solved the J & K issue. If local pundits couldn't stay in Kashmir what makes you think some one Bihar or Gujrat can live in the valley. I am afraid things will go from bad to worst. It might end up as one of the worst decisions of indian political history.
 
Indian trolls are having a field day. They think scrapping some article have solved the J & K issue. If local pundits couldn't stay in Kashmir what makes you think some one Bihar or Gujrat can live in the valley. I am afraid things will go from bad to worst. It might end up as one of the worst decisions of indian political history.

You will see different face of kashmiris now..
 
For ur kind info large chunk of that goes to army

You got any actual source for this? Army has it's own money allocated to it separately in the union budget, why would funds to go to them?
 
Give it like 10 yrs, both these UTs will become way better than Chandigarh...once commerce improves and jobs gets created, th4se region will flourish like crazy and there wouldn't be any looking back...
 
As all you are claiming itz diwali then why don't you allow kashmiris to be part it? Why have have blacked out everything?
 
As all you are claiming itz diwali then why don't you allow kashmiris to be part it? Why have have blacked out everything?

Nobody is claiming this a victory, not even BJP. This is just a begining to road to recovery.Whole India wants all Kashmiris to enjoy the fundamental rights of the consititution not just part of it.
 
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