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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Khadim Hussain Rizvi has announced countrywide protest on Janaury 22 against movie 'Zindagi Tamasha' for alleged <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/blasphemy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#blasphemy</a>. This Punjabi film directed by Sarmad Khoosat won an award at the Busan International Film Festival last year. <a href="https://t.co/CjUNY7CUcq">pic.twitter.com/CjUNY7CUcq</a></p>— Naila Inayat नायला इनायत (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1218482849545969665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Hmm what was the movie about? Saw the trailer couldn’t get it, what does he do?
 
Wth shouldn't this guy be in prison for inciting riots. I don't know what he is doing out of prison especially knowing him and his goons are responsible for millions of dollars worth of property damage.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] can you explain why does this guy have so much clout?
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] can you explain why does this guy have so much clout?

He is more influential than our so-called civilian leaders in the government. The reason why he has so much clout is because the TLP ideology deeply resonates with the extremist mindset that is prevalent in our fractured society.

He cashed on the Mumtaz Qadir verdict and rapidly because the face of right-wing Pakistan.

He is also backed by certain quarters of the GHQ. He is basically a mercenary who is set on the loose whenever the boots decide to create anarchy and unsettle the federal government.
 
He is more influential than our so-called civilian leaders in the government. The reason why he has so much clout is because the TLP ideology deeply resonates with the extremist mindset that is prevalent in our fractured society.

He cashed on the Mumtaz Qadir verdict and rapidly because the face of right-wing Pakistan.

He is also backed by certain quarters of the GHQ. He is basically a mercenary who is set on the loose whenever the boots decide to create anarchy and unsettle the federal government.

What a cheap rubbish post. People like you are dangerous for the society. You don’t know the guy and you are assuming he is bought and paid by the army. Show the proof for this or stop trying to behave like a self proclaimed expert.

And besides he was well knows to the followers of Ahle Sunna wal jamaat well before Mumtaz Qadri killed Salman Taseer. It is only that the TV newz Media got interested in him after that.
 
What a cheap rubbish post. People like you are dangerous for the society. You don’t know the guy and you are assuming he is bought and paid by the army. Show the proof for this or stop trying to behave like a self proclaimed expert.

And besides he was well knows to the followers of Ahle Sunna wal jamaat well before Mumtaz Qadri killed Salman Taseer. It is only that the TV newz Media got interested in him after that.

Army is known for pulling stunts like these to keep it's influence in the country so I won't be surprised if they did something like this and you don't need to produce evidence knowing thier track record they have doing shady stuff for years know and people are finally calling out thier ** and as people we need to come out of this propoganda that these generals are some sort of angels 90 Percent of generals are crooks and they have always promoted low life's like Rizvi so they can keep controlling the nation.
 
Interesting that this news story picked by this tweeter who usually tweets anti pak stuff
 
What a cheap rubbish post. People like you are dangerous for the society. You don’t know the guy and you are assuming he is bought and paid by the army. Show the proof for this or stop trying to behave like a self proclaimed expert.

And besides he was well knows to the followers of Ahle Sunna wal jamaat well before Mumtaz Qadri killed Salman Taseer. It is only that the TV newz Media got interested in him after that.

He was well-known to certain quarters but he became a national phenomenon after Qadri.

People like me are not dangers to society. The real dangers are people like Rizvi and the institutions who back him. The proof is the entire history of Pakistan, but if you choose to deny it then that is your decision.
 
Interesting that this news story picked by this tweeter who usually tweets anti pak stuff

I find it more interesting that religious fundamentalists have spent years murdering us and continue to hold power over what we can say, do and think.

Much less interested in the India-Pak internet crusades by keyboard warriors.
 
I find it more interesting that religious fundamentalists have spent years murdering us and continue to hold power over what we can say, do and think.

Much less interested in the India-Pak internet crusades by keyboard warriors.

I agree Religious fundamentalism has a lot to do with the current situation of Pakistan.
 
The Punjab government's information department on Tuesday notified Sarmat Khoosat, the director of the controversial film Zindagi Tamasha that his film will be re-examined "in the wake of persistent complaints received from different quarters".

In the notice, Khoosat has been requested to arrange a show in this regard "in any cinema house" on February 3 at 3pm, so it may be reviewed.

The director has also been instructed not to release the film "till final decision of the committee". Additionally, he has been asked to ensure the presence of a representative "for personal hearing, if required by the committee".

The movie, which was set for countrywide release on January 24, is not part of the schedule in Karachi's cinemas.

Meanwhile, Director of Khoosat Films Private Limited Irfan Ali Khoosat has filed a petition in a Lahore civil court against the Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) for "trying to interfere into the smooth running, public screening/releasing" of the movie Zindagi Tamasha.

In the petition, Irfan urged the court to "[restrain] the defendant permanently from interfering into the peaceful releasing/public screening of above-named film on big screen/cinema in all over Pakistan illegally, unlawfully".

The petition says that by releasing Zindagi Tamasha, Khoosat Films aimed to "bring the soft image of the society among the public at large, to reduce the stress from the minds of peoples (sic) of the country and to promote the positivity in the society". It further points out that the movie had been cleared for release by all censor boards in the country.

"The defendant (TLP) who has no concern whatsoever with the above-said film is trying to interfere into the smooth running public screening/releasing of the above-mentioned film in cinema screen all around the country without any lawful justification," the petition read.

The petition has named Sindh Film Censor Board, Punjab Film Censor Board and Markazi Film Censor Board as respondents. It has been clarified, however, that the censor boards were "mere [proforma] defendants and the plaintiff has not claim (sic) any relief against them".

On Tuesday (today), the petition was heard by judge Ziaur Rehman, who issued notices to all respondents to appear before the court tomorrow to present their arguments.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1529696/p...producers-move-court-against-tlp-interference
 
big deal, what about Ashir Azeem movie "Maalik" , govt banned that movie twice .... after that he announced to not make a movie again ... i havent seen any hue and cry over "Maalik" from our so called liberals ...
 
What a spineless government! They have included a TLP representative in the committee to review the film.
 
What a spineless government! They have included a TLP representative in the committee to review the film.

Don't be bitter like @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=131701" target="_blank">Mamoon</a> he can barely type anything without insulting IK, Army or the whole Pakistani "fractured" nation :yk it's just sad.

TLP has massive following.
Government wants stability. There are already a plethora of problems around. Banning some random movie is an easier move for them. It's just that simple.

The Mullah in question, has he already watched the movie before its official release? :facepalm:

Also, this movie's plot reminded me of this meme video :)))
 
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Don't be bitter like @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=131701" target="_blank">Mamoon</a> he can barely type anything without insulting IK, Army or the whole Pakistani "fractured" nation :yk it's just sad.

TLP has massive following.
Government wants stability. There are already a plethora of problems around. Banning some random movie is an easier move for them. It's just that simple.

The Mullah in question, has he already watched the movie before its official release? :facepalm:

Also, this movie's plot reminded me of this meme video :)))

This movie has been awarded by different film festivals. It's not just a random movie. Most of these TLP activists have not even gone outside Pakistan. TLP supporters are the **** of earth.
 
This movie has been awarded by different film festivals. It's not just a random movie. Most of these TLP activists have not even gone outside Pakistan. TLP supporters are the **** of earth.

I get your point.

Unfortunately, Gov will have to be diplomatic in this case. I surely am watching this movie, as soon as I can.
 
I get your point.

Unfortunately, Gov will have to be diplomatic in this case. I surely am watching this movie, as soon as I can.

Why? Why would they need to appease the same mullahs who were calling for their heads just over a year ago?
 
Pathetic decision. Religious extremism has destroyed any chance of Pakistan having quality cinema or arts, sad state of affairs.
 
both gt banned by censor board .... why people didnt speak about Maalik but this one ?

I remember people talked about that movie as well. Maalik wasn't critically acclaimed. It was just another propaganda plus nationalistic movie whereas this movie touches a really sensitive topic.
 
I remember people talked about that movie as well. Maalik wasn't critically acclaimed. It was just another propaganda plus nationalistic movie whereas this movie touches a really sensitive topic.

who will decide whats propaganda nationalistic or sensitive ? censor board law is same for every movie. be it propaganda nationalistic or sensitive ....
 
who will decide whats propaganda nationalistic or sensitive ? censor board law is same for every movie. be it propaganda nationalistic or sensitive ....

Censor board had clearly passed this movie 2 times already but still it can't get through the thick heads of mullahs.
 
both gt banned by censor board .... why people didnt speak about Maalik but this one ?

You sound like BJP apologists that were having the same excuse when Udta Punjab had issues.

Also I think Dawn published something against banning that movie , let me
check
 
You sound like BJP apologists that were having the same excuse when Udta Punjab had issues.

Also I think Dawn published something against banning that movie , let me
check

sorry ? i dont belong to any party, i only want to know why people wont react if one movie got banned by censor board but go nuts if the same applies for other movie ......
 
sorry ? i dont belong to any party, i only want to know why people wont react if one movie got banned by censor board but go nuts if the same applies for other movie ......

So you agree this is wrong as well..
 
Sensor board should only be used to decide what kind of rating a movie deserves. They should leave the rest for the people to decide. We live in a democracy after all.
 
Lots of people criticized the censor boards over Maalik being banned. You can literally google it.

Films/arts can contribute billions to a nation's economy, create jobs, and hold government/religious authorities accountable.

Haven't we spilled enough blood for this Mullahs? Is the ground at APS already cold?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sindh becomes the first province to ban <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ZindagiTamasha?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ZindagiTamasha</a> . Shameful on part of Sindh government <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBhuttoZardari</a> <a href="https://t.co/awi1jleSdu">pic.twitter.com/awi1jleSdu</a></p>— Mubashir Zaidi (@Xadeejournalist) <a href="https://twitter.com/Xadeejournalist/status/1219627832369991680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sindh becomes the first province to ban <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ZindagiTamasha?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ZindagiTamasha</a> . Shameful on part of Sindh government <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBhuttoZardari</a> <a href="https://t.co/awi1jleSdu">pic.twitter.com/awi1jleSdu</a></p>— Mubashir Zaidi (@Xadeejournalist) <a href="https://twitter.com/Xadeejournalist/status/1219627832369991680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's the only logical next step considering we have resolved all our other important issues.
 
If it’s blasphemous then it should be banned.
If not, then it shouldn’t be banned
 
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It's the only logical next step considering we have resolved all our other important issues.

Sindh hasn’t banned it because it’s blasphemous. They’ve banned it because they think it’s controversial and can cause issues.

A good decision
 
if theres one way to make sure everyone watches a film, its too call for it to be banned. i didnt have a clue what this was or care either way, but im intrigued now, sarmad khoosat must be thanking the mullah brigade secretly.
 
Sindh hasn’t banned it because it’s blasphemous. They’ve banned it because they think it’s controversial and can cause issues.

A good decision

Tomorrow, the British government finds your religious values, the Holy Quran, Gita or whatever "controversial". Is it okay to ban it?
 
if theres one way to make sure everyone watches a film, its too call for it to be banned. i didnt have a clue what this was or care either way, but im intrigued now, sarmad khoosat must be thanking the mullah brigade secretly.

Except, he might be fearing for his life given the charges of blasphemy.
 
Just to get a clarification, can someone please highligt the points/scenes in the movie which are blasphemous?

If it indeed is blasphemous it should be stopped. The freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say and show what ever you want. There are certain rules there which have to be followed.

Tell any guy to make an anti-semite film and get it released. Even it was in Pakistan, Israel through US would have stopped it.
 
What a dumb comparison.

Fact of the matter is that Islam is controversial especially in the UK nowadays because of rising islamophobia. You're lucky your adopted home isn't as impulsive with the ban hammer.

Something being "controversial" doesn't mean it should be banned.

That's what's really dumb here.
 
Just to get a clarification, can someone please highligt the points/scenes in the movie which are blasphemous?

If it indeed is blasphemous it should be stopped. The freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say and show what ever you want. There are certain rules there which have to be followed.

Tell any guy to make an anti-semite film and get it released. Even it was in Pakistan, Israel through US would have stopped it.

If you are suggesting that criticism of mullah culture is blasphemy than YOU are engaging in it by implying that mullahs are some holy authority.

Be careful.
 
If you are suggesting that criticism of mullah culture is blasphemy than YOU are engaging in it by implying that mullahs are some holy authority.

Be careful.

Lol, what are you even talking about? Read my post properly and the come back please.
 
Lol, what are you even talking about? Read my post properly and the come back please.

The "blasphemy" in the movie is supposedly:
1) criticism of ullema
2) criticism of "bachabaazi" (child molestation)

To suggest that criticism of ulema (religious scholars) is blasphemy, is in itself blasphemy because it implies that ulema are at the level of the Prophet or other holy authorities in Islam.

Simply put: criticism of ullema is NOT criticism of the Holy Prophet.

Shaid tumhe urdu mai samajh a jai: tanqeed e ulema tanqeed e rasaalat nai hai yaar ... yeh loug khud apnay aap ko nabi samajh nai lag gahay hai.
 
Perhaps everyone should understand their definitions -

Blasphemy: is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence to a deity, or sacred things, or toward something considered sacred or inviolable.

Are ulema SACRED?

Is criticism of ulema BLASPHEMY?

The answer is no to both.

So to suggest that criticism of ulema is blasphemy is to suggest what?

That ulema are holy and sacred


That in and of itself is blasphemous
 
Tomorrow, the British government finds your religious values, the Holy Quran, Gita or whatever "controversial". Is it okay to ban it?

An utterly silly comparison. No values, religious or otherwise, were harmed in this instance.
 
The "blasphemy" in the movie is supposedly:
1) criticism of ullema
2) criticism of "bachabaazi" (child molestation)

To suggest that criticism of ulema (religious scholars) is blasphemy, is in itself blasphemy because it implies that ulema are at the level of the Prophet or other holy authorities in Islam.

Simply put: criticism of ullema is NOT criticism of the Holy Prophet.

Shaid tumhe urdu mai samajh a jai: tanqeed e ulema tanqeed e rasaalat nai hai yaar ... yeh loug khud apnay aap ko nabi samajh nai lag gahay hai.

You're not wrong in saying this but none of us have seen this movie and cannot say for sure what is contained therein.
 
You're not wrong in saying this but none of us have seen this movie and cannot say for sure what is contained therein.

It was cleared by the censor boards twice without any major cuts - it's fair to say there is no blasphemy in the movie.

The objections are to criticism of ulama, religious fundamentalism and "bacha bazi" (the reference which has been cut by the censors, because god forbid we talk about child molestation).
 
It was cleared by the censor boards twice without any major cuts - it's fair to say there is no blasphemy in the movie.

The objections are to criticism of ulama, religious fundamentalism and "bacha bazi" (the reference which has been cut by the censors, because god forbid we talk about child molestation).

In that case, I couldn't care less. I personally have no interest in movies that provide no escapism from real-world problems but if people want to watch a movie about a corrupt alim, let them.

In what instance?

Banning a movie is not comparable to banning a religious text, especially in a country that is all about 'freedom of religion'.
 
In that case, I couldn't care less. I personally have no interest in movies that provide no escapism from real-world problems but if people want to watch a movie about a corrupt alim, let them.



Banning a movie is not comparable to banning a religious text, especially in a country that is all about 'freedom of religion'.

The best thing about you is that you are unapologetically hypocritical.
 
In that case, I couldn't care less. I personally have no interest in movies that provide no escapism from real-world problems but if people want to watch a movie about a corrupt alim, let them.



Banning a movie is not comparable to banning a religious text, especially in a country that is all about 'freedom of religion'.

I guess it would be a better movie if the naatkhwaan shot off into space to protect civilization.

Of course banning a movie is not literally the same as banning a religious text - and no one is suggesting that. The principles of free speech and censorship apply to both however. If being "controversial" is a reason to censor something, than many religious texts are also quite controversial.

It is regrettable that many of our brothers go abroad to enjoy the freedoms of the West while having a soft spot for censorship at home.
 
The "blasphemy" in the movie is supposedly:
1) criticism of ullema
2) criticism of "bachabaazi" (child molestation)

To suggest that criticism of ulema (religious scholars) is blasphemy, is in itself blasphemy because it implies that ulema are at the level of the Prophet or other holy authorities in Islam.

Simply put: criticism of ullema is NOT criticism of the Holy Prophet.

Shaid tumhe urdu mai samajh a jai: tanqeed e ulema tanqeed e rasaalat nai hai yaar ... yeh loug khud apnay aap ko nabi samajh nai lag gahay hai.

Before you start language lecture try to read my first post again. You didn’t read my post properly and started lecturing me about the meaning of blasphemy.

I started my first post with asking a simple question about what this movie was about as I have not seen the trailer or heard about it before this thread. Then I went on to say that IF this movie is blasphemous it should be stopped. I never involved any Mullah or Moulvi (with all respect to both) in this discussion. Don’t blame me for something I have not said!

You seem like a confused poster trying to response people and mixing up what posters have written.

Pehley khood tou itminaan sey dusron ki posts padh lou, patta houta hi nahi, awain hi uth ke ajate hain.
 
Senate human rights panel green-lights Zindagi Tamasha's release

The Senate Committee for Human Rights on Tuesday approved the movie Zindagi Tamasha for screening, dismissing all objections raised against the film.

PPP Senator Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar, who chairs the panel, said in a tweet that the committee "found nothing wrong" with the film, adding that the censor board "has our go ahead to release post-Covid".

Zindagi Tamasha, which has been premiered at the Busan International Film Festival, faced controversy after Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan called for protests against its scheduled release on January 24, alleging it was “blasphemous”.

In January, the group had called for protests against the film's release in the country, but cancelled its plans after the government said the movie will be sent to the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) for review even after it was twice cleared by censor boards.

Later, in March, the Senate panel for human rights decided to take the matter in its hands and barred the CII from reviewing the film. The panel directed the Central Board of Film Censors to provide the committee a copy of the movie for screening, so the members could decide if its content was objectionable.

At the time, Khokhar had said that if the committee members found something objectionable in the movie, it would be forwarded to the CII.

He further said that the committee will "not come under anyone's pressure" and that the "parliament will exercise its authority".

"We should not come under pressure of those parties who held Islamabad hostage twice," he said while referring to the TLP, who had raised objections over the movie.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1568953/senate-human-rights-panel-green-lights-zindagi-tamashas-release
 
Finally someone in PPP not bowing down to TLP or Maulana Fazlur Rehman!
 
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