Senate panel rejects bill for minorities

[Loralai]

ISLAMABAD:
A Senate panel on Thursday rejected two bills – one for the protection of minorities and the other seeking amendments to the Muslim family laws.

The Standing Committee on Religious Affairs and Interfaith Harmony met under the chairmanship of Maulana Ghafoor Haideri.

The Protection of Rights of Minorities Bill, 2020 was introduced in Senate last month by Senator Javed Abbasi.

Senator Rukhsana Zubairi had presented the Muslim Family Laws (Amendment) Bill, 2020 in July this year.

Religious Affairs and Interfaith Harmony Minister Noorul Haq Qadri informed the panel that a committee was already working to prevent the forced conversion of minorities as a Hindu had been made chairman of the National Commission for Minorities.

He added that a uniform curriculum was being introduced in the country and the education ministry had ensured the removal of “hate material” from textbooks.

He further said the curriculum for class-I to V was ready while that for rest of the classes was being prepared.

Senator Hafiz Abdul Karim, a member of the committee, said a bill for the protection of the rights of Muslims should be presented instead.

“Minorities in Pakistan have already been granted several rights,” he added.
“A lot of fuss is made when some Hindu girls convert to Islam and marry Muslim boys. Everybody has the right to freedom of religion.”

Senator Raja Zafarul Haq noted that there were very instances of forced conversions in Pakistan in comparison with India where a war had been waged against minorities.

Senator Kishoo Bai noted that Hindu girls were abducted and forcibly converted. Later when they appeared before court, they changed their statement under duress. The senator stressed the need for legislation to protect minorities.

Later, the bill was rejected with a majority vote.

Speaking on the bill seeking amendments to the Muslim family laws, the religious affairs minister said the legislation would create difficulties for the society.

He added that his ministry as well the human rights and law ministries had opposed the bill.

The minister maintained that the courts formed to deal with cases pertaining to family laws were already overburdened and setting up separate courts after the passage of the bill would be an uphill task.

“The suggestions in this bill have nothing to do with Muslim culture,” he added.

The bill was later rejected.

Abida Muhammad Azeem, Haji Momin Khan Afridi, Javed Abbasi and Manzoor Ahmed Kakar also attended the meeting.

We have once again let our minorities down. These parliamentarians who have rejected this bill should be ashamed. They are not fit to represent their constituents. What a disgrace they are, not just to their parties, but to the whole of Pakistan.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2265480/senate-panel-rejects-bill-for-minorities

 

[Romali_rotti]

Pakistan at least have a tiny weeny bit of minorities left, that itself is a miracle, forget about their rights and all.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan at least have a tiny weeny bit of minorities left, that itself is a miracle, forget about their rights and all.

The difference between Pakistan and India is that whilst the govts in both countries are unable to do the right thing for minorities, the majority in India seem to be no better - atleast from what I see in my dealings here and elsewhere.

No Pakistani I have met (and I think I have met a few in my life) including from the religious right have anything nasty to say about minorities.

 

[Romali_rotti]

The difference between Pakistan and India is that whilst the govts in both countries are unable to do the right thing for minorities, the majority in India seem to be no better - atleast from what I see in my dealings here and elsewhere.

No Pakistani I have met (and I think I have met a few in my life) including from the religious right have anything nasty to say about minorities.

Bro,

Come on now, nice words, all great in theory, however Indian minorities:

190 Million Muslims,
30 Million Christians,
Millions of other religious minorities whom all have rights to practice their religion and are not on the verge of extinction.

Do India have problems >? Of course, and that too in plenty. You are my favorite poster here and I have nothing but love and respect for you, but please, it is embarrassing to compare Pakistan's minority situation with India.

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[Star_Coffee]

Pakistan at least have a tiny weeny bit of minorities left, that itself is a miracle, forget about their rights and all.

I do not see Pakistani Muslims accepting "Ahmedi" as Muslims for the obvious reasons, won't happen in near future, no matter how that matter is presented.


The percentage of Pakistani minorities remains the same, not a miracle.

What is amusing that someone giving a lecture on Pakistani minorities, who supports BJP, directly and indirectly, promote killing, rape, and murder of Kashmiri Muslims and also tend to look the other way when minorities of India are over powered and manhandled by BJP and Hindu majority.

 

[Star_Coffee]

Bro,

Come on now, nice words, all great in theory, however Indian minorities:

190 Million Muslims,
30 Million Christians,
Millions of other religious minorities whom all have rights to practice their religion and are not on the verge of extinction.

Do India have problems >? Of course, and that too in plenty. You are my favorite poster here and I have nothing but love and respect for you, but please, it is embarrassing to compare Pakistan's minority situation with India.

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Typical textbook immature defense.

There are countless 'singular' examples in Pakistan where minorities are practicing their religion with and without the help of majority Muslims while there are also many examples where minorities are treated differently.

Your example is just a deflection with the help of you inserting a sentence and while also complimenting a person you are replying to, "Do India have a problem", a typical textbook immature defense.

 

[saeedhk]

The difference between Pakistan and India is that whilst the govts in both countries are unable to do the right thing for minorities, the majority in India seem to be no better - atleast from what I see in my dealings here and elsewhere.

No Pakistani I have met (and I think I have met a few in my life) including from the religious right have anything nasty to say about minorities.

It means you are out of touch with reality. I suggest you to go to Pakistan and meet actual Pakistanis.

 

[saeedhk]

Muslims are safer in India than in Pakistan which was supposed to be a place where Muslims would live in peace. Yet, Muslims in Pakistan continue to kill each other.

 

[Star_Coffee]

Muslims are safer in India than in Pakistan which was supposed to be a place where Muslims would live in peace. Yet, Muslims in Pakistan continue to kill each other.

I'll suggest you look at the official murder rate of India. You'll be surprised.

Read your comment before posting your generalized comments, it makes you look, rather inexperienced.

 

[saeedhk]

I'll suggest you look at the official murder rate of India. You'll be surprised.

Read your comment before posting your generalized comments, it makes you look, rather inexperienced.

Compare number of Muslims killed in Pakistan and Muslims killed in India in the last two decades. Typical Pakistani head in sand response from you.

 

[Star_Coffee]

Compare number of Muslims killed in Pakistan and Muslims killed in India in the last two decades. Typical Pakistani head in sand response from you.

Pakistan is a Muslim majority country.

Are you not re-reading your own comments before posting?

The murder rate has to do with crimes, not religion unless it was religiously motivated.

Sociology 101.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Typical textbook immature defense.

There are countless 'singular' examples in Pakistan where minorities are practicing their religion with and without the help of majority Muslims while there are also many examples where minorities are treated differently.

Your example is just a deflection with the help of you inserting a sentence and while also complimenting a person you are replying to, "Do India have a problem", a typical textbook immature defense.

Umm what the ?????

 

[saeedhk]

Pakistan is a Muslim majority country.

Are you not re-reading your own comments before posting?

The murder rate has to do with crimes, not religion unless it was religiously motivated.

Sociology 101.

What are you on about? I am specifically talking about Pakistani Muslims killing each other over religion. I am not talking about murder. I am talking about terror attacks.

 

[Star_Coffee]

What are you on about? I am specifically talking about Pakistani Muslims killing each other over religion. I am not talking about murder. I am talking about terror attacks.

Terrorists aren't Muslims, anyone would know if they were to read Qu'ran, there are many reasons Terrorism took place in Pakistan, maybe spending time to understand global politics would help understand, Pakistan has done an amazing job in defeating terrorism in Pakistan and neighboring countries.

 

[saeedhk]

Terrorists aren't Muslims, anyone would know if they were to read Qu'ran, there are many reasons Terrorism took place in Pakistan, maybe spending time to understand global politics would help understand, Pakistan has done an amazing job in defeating terrorism in Pakistan and neighboring countries.

You arguments are so poor! The TTP are Indians and the LeJ are Jews. You are an embodiment of an average conspiracy-loving Pakistani. Pakistan is mahaan! I agree.

 

[Star_Coffee]

You arguments are so poor! The TTP are Indians and the LeJ are Jews. You are an embodiment of an average conspiracy-loving Pakistani. Pakistan is mahaan! I agree.

You are using the wrong terminology in an attempt to support your puerile excuse to further your agenda, maybe due to a lack of understanding?

TTP aren't obviously Indians, everyone knows that lol, but they sure had support from India.

Lej aren't Jewish but I am sure they had external support.

You probably also believe Yadav was in Balouchistan to turn sands of Balouchistan into gold dust?

I never claimed Pakistan is 'mahaan", I just highlighted your generalization, the sad part about it, you are doing that in every comment of yours.

Pakistan is far from 'mahaan'

 

[the Great Khan]

Muslims are safer in India than in Pakistan which was supposed to be a place where Muslims would live in peace. Yet, Muslims in Pakistan continue to kill each other.

I'm sorry but hunh? Have you met Indian Muslims? and are you aware of the pressure they are under in india? I remember talking to an Indian Muslim many years ago and he was thumping his chest and saying "Pakistan will become a fascist state, and India will never be ruled by fascists because of our innate love of democracy. he then went on to espouse his theory that Jinnah was a British agent and how if we had stayed united we would have ruled India. I simply asked him, can you slaughter a cow or sheep in your village if you want? His reply was yes of course as long as we ask permission". And that was the end of that discussion..I rested my case after that.

 

[saeedhk]

You are using the wrong terminology in an attempt to support your puerile excuse to further your agenda, maybe due to a lack of understanding?

TTP aren't obviously Indians, everyone knows that lol, but they sure had support from India.

Lej aren't Jewish but I am sure they had external support.

You probably also believe Yadav was in Balouchistan to turn sands of Balouchistan into gold dust?

I never claimed Pakistan is 'mahaan", I just highlighted your generalization, the sad part about it, you are doing that in every comment of yours.

Pakistan is far from 'mahaan'

Now that your post has blown up on your face, you are coming up with such excuses. Read what you wrote again. Even if they had external support, they are Muslims and they are killings Muslims. Simple. India is a better place for Muslims than Pakistan.

 

[saeedhk]

I'm sorry but hunh? Have you met Indian Muslims? and are you aware of the pressure they are under in india? I remember talking to an Indian Muslim many years ago and he was thumping his chest and saying "Pakistan will become a fascist state, and India will never be ruled by fascists because of our innate love of democracy. he then went on to espouse his theory that Jinnah was a British agent and how if we had stayed united we would have ruled India. I simply asked him, can you slaughter a cow or sheep in your village if you want? His reply was yes of course as long as we ask permission". And that was the end of that discussion..I rested my case after that.

What does that prove? Please compare the body count of murdered Muslims by Muslims in the last two decades in both countries.

This sort of anecdotal trivia belongs in the bin.

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

Terrorists aren't Muslims, anyone would know if they were to read Qu'ran, there are many reasons Terrorism took place in Pakistan, maybe spending time to understand global politics would help understand, Pakistan has done an amazing job in defeating terrorism in Pakistan and neighboring countries.

May be when you get some time from lecturing others to 'read more', then you might want to read how many UN designated Terrorists resides in Pakistan. There is gulf of difference between your definition "outstanding" job, than mine. Also, not sure why Pakistan finds itself in FATF grey list if they had one such an amazing job.

 

[Star_Coffee]

May be when you get some time from lecturing others to 'read more', then you might want to read how many UN designated Terrorists resides in Pakistan. There is gulf of difference between your definition "outstanding" job, than mine. Also, not sure why Pakistan finds itself in FATF grey list if they had one such an amazing job.

For some, Bush and Blair are the biggest terrorists to have existed, killed millions, and are sitting comfortably smoking cigars in their homes. UN-designated terrorism? lol

No one cares about how you define success and yes, for some Indian army is considered a terrorist organization as they terrorized Kashmiri with rape and murder.

 

[JaDed]

“A lot of fuss is made when some Hindu girls convert to Islam and marry Muslim boys. Everybody has the right to freedom of religion.”

- In Pakistan are Muslims allowed to convert to other religions or be an atheist?

 

[Star_Coffee]

Now that your post has blown up on your face, you are coming up with such excuses. Read what you wrote again. Even if they had external support, they are Muslims and they are killings Muslims. Simple. India is a better place for Muslims than Pakistan.

Blown up? stop terrorizing bro.

You have an agenda, which everyone sees through it, I haven't made any generalized statement, since your agenda is weak, immature, and willfully ignorant of geo-politics then you have to get the support of generalized statement in every thread.

You haven't strengthened your argument, rather made it weaker, carry on with your generalized statements but try not to get all worked up when someone highlight your willful ignorance.

 

[Star_Coffee]

“A lot of fuss is made when some Hindu girls convert to Islam and marry Muslim boys. Everybody has the right to freedom of religion.”

- In Pakistan are Muslims allowed to convert to other religions or be an atheist?

Plenty of them exist, here is an example, plenty of actors are sporting tattoes, no one got killed over it.

 

[JaDed]

Plenty of them exist, here is an example, plenty of actors are sporting tattoes, no one got killed over it.

I didn't ask your view, I asked about the law.

Salman Taseer and recently some American citizen got killed which were w.r.t religion.

 

[saeedhk]

Blown up? stop terrorizing bro.

You have an agenda, which everyone sees through it, I haven't made any generalized statement, since your agenda is weak, immature, and willfully ignorant of geo-politics then you have to get the support of generalized statement in every thread.

You haven't strengthened your argument, rather made it weaker, carry on with your generalized statements but try not to get all worked up when someone highlight your willful ignorance.

Yes. I have an agenda- to speak the truth. Pakistanis hate truth!

Your arguments are so silly.

 

[Star_Coffee]

I didn't ask your view, I asked about the law.

Salman Taseer and recently some American citizen got killed which were w.r.t religion.

Laws exist in India to protect minorities but yet we hear daily minorities getting abused and killed while the government looking the other ways.

Laws probably exist against many Muslims to become atheist, personally know many of them, and they haven't been prosecuted for being atheist or not going to prayers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Muslims are safer in India than in Pakistan which was supposed to be a place where Muslims would live in peace. Yet, Muslims in Pakistan continue to kill each other.

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[saeedhk]

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No doubt about that.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No doubt about that.

Lets see if you can prove this. Perhaps we need a new thread, please post a long and detailed argument proving the sentence. Thanks

 

[saeedhk]

Lets see if you can prove this. Perhaps we need a new thread, please post a long and detailed argument proving the sentence. Thanks

Check out my previous posts on this thread. Thanks.

 

[saeedhk]

I was reading about the bill just now and here are the details. Pakistan will forever remain a hellhole for minorities.

The bill aimed to outlaw forced conversions and forced marriages after conversion. Offenders were to be sentenced to 10 to 14 years for forcibly converting minority girls.

But, Pakistanis being extremists like usual, rejected this bill with a massive majority. Shameful!

 

[Loralai]

There is no good reason for rejecting this bill. Even more embarrassing is the idea that laws are needed in Pakistan to protect Muslims. You can see why we are a laughing stock.

 

[saeedhk]

Immy goes around and talks about Islamophobia! We are responsible for the growing Islamophobia because we reject bills to protect our minorities and celebrate murderers!

Why is it that Muslims want to full rights and protection for Muslims minorities in Europe and elsewhere but at the same time, Muslims refuse to grant any rights to minorities in their own countries?

No wonder Muslims and particularly Pakistanis have ZERO credibility.

 

[Syed1]

Funny how Indians are infesting this thread.


Just earlier this year 50 odd Muslims were butchered on the streets of their capital just for being Muslim.