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Sending someone an add request on Facebook is harassment? Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy think so!
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Well put.
Is this AKU a government owned institution or a private hospital?
If government owned, then can they fire a doctor like this without any enquiry?
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In a normal situation, the girl should have complained to the hospital, but I like that it was dealt with publicly and by making a lot of noise, only because the other side is so much entrenched in their entitlement and misogyny and want to shout down voices they don't approve of, that it was needed to have a disproportionate response.
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Usually there is a proper investigation and a hearing before any action is taken. However it doesn't matter if its a private or public practice as far as I know, a doctor is licensed to work by the PMDC and any complaint goes through them.
These investigation procedures are usually followed in a Government hospital more precisely. The private hospitals are like private firms where Head can fire anyone even without any evidence. They are more worried about their hospital's reputation than anything here and hence doesn't care about these doctors.
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Was there any advance.... A fb friend request isn’t advance...
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Sharmeen and Waqar Zaka once again... IIRC she made fun of him when he was going to Myanmar so now he got a chance to settle the scores
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chachi botox <a href="https://twitter.com/sharmeenochinoy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sharmeenochinoy</a> u misused celeb power, that DR. Losing his job is Harrasment, I will make sure he gets a better job.</p>— Waqar Zaka (@ZakaWaqar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZakaWaqar/status/923611879448002560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chachi Botox@sharmeenochinoy u filmed acid victim telling her u won't disclose her face but did and now she's divorced; leave Pak please</p>— Waqar Zaka (@ZakaWaqar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZakaWaqar/status/923615080209571840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chachi Botox@sharmeenochinoy u filmed acid victim telling her u won't disclose her face but did and now she's divorced; leave Pak please</p>— Waqar Zaka (@ZakaWaqar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZakaWaqar/status/923615080209571840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Only one thing to say to Waqar Zaka: Boss maine aap ko bola kya hai?
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A woman has to be put to her place if she questions male privilege.
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A Facebook friend request from a unknown male is an advance. Unless you think this is common in our culture. Even in the West this sort of behavior is considered stupid. What next, friendship requests to our female relatives after they visit their doctors should be considered normal as well? Not only that but PMDC regulations forbid doctors from approaching patients via any means and information that they gained from their personal visit. He gained her personal details via her visit to the hospital. There are many more clauses he broke but for now these two are enough to land him in hot water.
Tbh now i feel that she did the right thing by going public.
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Only an attention seeking woman would go out of her way to create such fuss. Just deny the request and get over it, what could have happened to her anyway? Nothing. Yet it was necessary to create all drama and play the victim card to show once again how much the women in our culture are oppressed and harassed. But then that's how feminists run their show by constant whining in the media over everything.
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If a female doctor sends request to female patient it’s still against regulations.... But not advance and not harassment... There was no harassment or advance but still unethical...
Obaid was wrong to say harassment and my family this and my family that... And to get male doctor fired over exaggerating...
Simple matter should have been doctor used private info = what punishment? No need to bring fake claims of harassment and feminism....But obv privileged celebrity who has never seen any hardship in life who can never understand how hard average Pakistani life is for both male or female needs to play victim......
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Its a simple concept which people who have some grudge against Chinoy are using for God knows what reason!
Its wrong and unethical to contact a patient in that way - that's all there is to it.
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There is no harassment. There is however a breach of ethics. And PMDC regulations which specifically forbid any doctor or nurse approaching any patients by using their personal information, a facebook request is exactly that and which is what this doctor did by using confidential information to track a patient via facebook. I don't know why you bring gender into it, I'd be saying the same thing if a female doctor approached another female. Legally it'd still result in a reprimand or worse, which is what the doctor should get regardless of Chinoy's ranting.
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It's not true, the poster you quoted has no idea what he is talking about.
The General Medical Council in the UK allow doctors to have relationships with ex patients.
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It was an ex patient, let's be clear.
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Well put. The same people would be foaming at the mouth if someone like this approached their sister, mother or wives or even daughters. How many of us would be comfortable taking them to the same doctor for any kind of intimate treatment if we knew he's sending us or other women facebook friendship requests?
Its a gross breach of ethics in every country and its there written in black and white in PMDC regulations.
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I was an ex-lawyer in the UK and now a medical student, which many know on here, while I may not it all I am pretty educated on the subject.
All medical records are confidential whether a patient is an ex-patient or not. The privacy protocols don't expire if a patient becomes an ex-patient. If a doctor uses a patient's file to send messages or uses the informtion in personal records to send facebook requests that'll land them easily in hot water. GMC is brutal with any kind of breach when it comes to ethics. Even things like drink driving will and can absolutely mess you up with the NHS and GMC.
Educate yourself a bit, but then again who am I talking to?
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lol. Your background is irrelevent.
Why dont you dispute what I have wrote. Let me repeat the General Medical Council in the UK ALLOWS doctors to have relationships with ex patients. So instead of boring me with your personal lame attacks, address my simple point.
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If a doctor bumps into a patient at say a bar and they go out and then have a relationship that is different and ofcourse GMC has no problem with that, neither has any other medical council. However if a doctor opens up a patients' medical records and then uses the information to approach a patient that is a breach of ethics and every known medical protocol and this kind of behacior is SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the PMDC rules of conduct. Which is what this doctor did.
Hence no point conflating both things. You're an expert at that so its not a surprise.
My background isn't really irrelvant. We spend 2 years studying an entire module of Social Medicine and Ethics, which hammers patient-doctor relationship and its santacity in terms of privacy and respect in every single paragraph.
I am thankful you're not a doctor.
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Im sorry I must have missed the evidence where it proves the doctor opened up medical records to obtain information. Im not being sarcastic, Im asking you to show me if this is the case??
Anyone;s background is irrelevent if it conflicts with the facts.
I await this evidence.
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The doctor sends the patient a friendship request, how else did he know her name? If he can prove he knows her through his social circle or through a friend or a relative then he's scot free. But otherwise his only connection to her is by her name, the name which was provided during a medical visit.
Also since you so kindly mentioned the GMC, according to the GMC:
-The doctor is forbidden to purse any relationship with a patient who is current
-If a patient is a former patient then the doctor's pursual could still be deemed improper and will be deemed improper if the patient can still become a current patient (eg in a GP's case) or if the patient has relatives that use the same doctor. The doctor is also forbidden to use a patient's, current or ex, information from a hospital or medical practice to approach him/her online or anywhere on social media or divulge anywhere that the patient has any connection to the doctor or the medical practice. Notice this refers to a patient who is only under the doctor's specific care. My background is very relevant here, please ask any British doctor, how seriously any kind of confidentiality is taken. I am not attacking you here just giving you facts. Its the backbone of the profession.
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lol. He knows her name because they spoke to each other and also because she is well known. He didn't need to search the records unless he has memory issues and is ignorant to who the family are in the Pakistan. Im sure this woman has many requests sent to her on a regular basis. In fact I might find her and send one now.
I dont know you, so your personal life has no meaning to me in any discussion. If this was in England imo the doctor wouldnt have been sacked. You're entitled to yours.
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There is some confusion here so let me clear it by saying, I have spoken to some senior people at AKU and the behaviour of the doctor in this case has been deemed to be inappropriate. AKU HR have done what any OTHER hospital around the world would have done. The only argument is whether it should have been done in private or not. There is no other argument.
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If this was England there'd a GMC disciplinary hearing, where both sides would be given the chance to present their views. All such hearings are open, the doctor would likely get an official warning on his record. According to the GMC's guidance any kind of social media contact is not allowed unless its on an official professional profile and only about professional matters and the doctors themselves are told to direct the patients to their professional profiles and disuade them from any further contact.
I know some of this already because my brain-dead friend a few years let loose a patient's name in a conversation to a third person, the patient found out and complained and he got a warning in the end. Ofcourse the doctor will not get sacked, unless its a sexual offence or unless there are a number of repeated offences.
The doctor should not get sacked here either, sacking is used as a last resort and for very serious offences or for repeated offences. But again it is at the PMDC's or the hospital's discretion.
You ofcourse will find my personal life irrelevant, as you should, but I have a lot knowledge on ethics and law especially when it comes to medicine. Otherwise I'd not bother posting, hence why you see me rarely post even in polticial threads now because I am out of the loop and simply not bothered.
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Fair enough MIG if this is what you have been told, but I just feel it's very harsh to fire a doctor which will invetibaley end his career for simply sending a friend request. Perhaps a warning would haven more appropriate and I truly believe in the UK if this happened the doctor would sue through employment tribunal.
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Can you please provide a link to these guidelines (remember it's an ex patient once they leave the hospital)?
I find it strange the GMC allow doctors to have relationshps with ex patients but wont allow them to connect on social media.
If you have knowledge it's great but as you can appreciate when trying to understand any issue, one must use the evidence available.
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No worries:
''Personal relationships with former patients may also be inappropriate depending on factors such as:
a. the length of time since the professional relationship ended (see paragraphs 9–10)
b. the nature of the previous professional relationship
c. whether the patient was particularly vulnerable at the time of the professional relationship, and whether they are still vulnerable (see paragraphs 11–13)
d. whether you will be caring for other members of the patient’s family.''
''12. Pursuing a relationship with a former patient is more likely to be (or be seen to be) an abuse of your position if you are a psychiatrist or a paediatrician.
13. Whatever your specialty, you must not pursue a personal relationship with a former patient who is still vulnerable. If the former patient was vulnerable at the time that you treated them, but is no longer vulnerable, you should be satisfied that:
the patient’s decisions and actions are not influenced by the previous relationship between you
you are not (and could not be seen to be) abusing your professional positio''
''Maintaining boundaries
10. Using social media also creates risks, particularly where social and professional boundaries become unclear. You must follow the guidance in Maintaining a professional boundary between you and your patient.6
11. If a patient contacts you about their care or other professional matters through your private profile, you should indicate that you cannot mix social and professional relationships and, where appropriate, direct them to your professional profile.''
www.gmc-uk.org/guidance/ethical_guidance/30173.asp
http://www.gmc-uk.org/guidance/ethical_guidance/30214.asp
Please look at the criteria which has to be satisifed when having a relationship with an ex-patient. Also in medical terms vulnerable means any patient under age of 16 or any adult who is still a patient (even you during a normal GP visit) or any old person that requires that constant care.
The number of complaints against doctors have been a record high in the last half-decade, that is not to say they were true or false. However bro GMC takes it very seriously, any complaint goes in a doctor's record and any kind of reprimand is publically available to the general public via the online register. Trust me on that. Especially due to the media outrage due to rags like Daily Mail, any offences even outside of medicine can land a doctor in deep trouble. Me and you do not get along, as I don't agree with what you say most of the time but here I am not arguing with you for the sake of it.If you talk to a lot of senior consultants or junior doctors you will hear ''get a chaperone'' a lot of times now, its for a reason.
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Thank you. I appreciate it.
I think no.10 is a little ambigious. Im not sure if this constitues sending a friend request and it also seems to be a guidline rather than a strict policy.
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You're correct, they're guidelines as situations in a medical context within a hospital are very fluid and constantly changing so rigid laws would not make sense, but still these guidelines are very stricly enforced. and you're also correct in the UK he would not be sacked. And a sacking would mean a tribunal, so he would get a warning maximum. I don't agree the doctor here should be sacked either I think I said it above, a warning would be enough or a reprimand. If its a private medical practice then it depends on the adminstration or the practioners who run it but I think MIG said the hospital will remove him.
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Sharmeen Obaid is an opportunist, but she is right here. I would be fired too if I do the same to one of my patients and she lodges a complaint.
However, she did not have to make it public. Could have dealt with it privately.
However, she did not have to make it public. Could have dealt with it privately.
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I hope he doesn't get removed, not just the fact his career will be over but the shame on him and his family for simply hitting a button on fb. Thanks for the replies.
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People love getting likes, hence her public rant. It should have been dealt with a lot more privately.
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Yes, there was no need of shaming the doctor to this extent.
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Inappropriate or unethical is not harassment.
The doctor made a mistake knowingly or unknowingly. But the loss of job appears to be too serious a punishment.
Similarly, her tone in the tweets and harassment is as much unethical as is doctor's friend request. She not only accused him of harassment which is a criminal offence but also indicated to use her family reputation to report him.
I guess the doctor can also claim damages here.
The doctor made a mistake knowingly or unknowingly. But the loss of job appears to be too serious a punishment.
Similarly, her tone in the tweets and harassment is as much unethical as is doctor's friend request. She not only accused him of harassment which is a criminal offence but also indicated to use her family reputation to report him.
I guess the doctor can also claim damages here.
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Hence why I hate this new social media hype train, where every information, every matter must be told just for likes. Its cringing to the extreme. If Facebook wasn't bad enough twitter and instagram and now snapchat are as bad.
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Unethical yeah, but calling it harassment or getting him fired is a stretch. Also Chinoy is a hypocrite herself, she betrayed and exploited acid attack victims for fame.That IS harassment.
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I hope someone provides livelihood to the doctor asap and alleviates his suffering and distress.
On a lighter note, a guy on fb posted a screenshot of his profile where he had 760 friend requests from girls/women from all over the world and he was like "Hey Sharmeen, should i file charges of harassment against all of them?".
I am very happy to see the vast majority of Pakistani people taking the position that the punishment was too excessive with respect to the offence.
On a lighter note, a guy on fb posted a screenshot of his profile where he had 760 friend requests from girls/women from all over the world and he was like "Hey Sharmeen, should i file charges of harassment against all of them?".
I am very happy to see the vast majority of Pakistani people taking the position that the punishment was too excessive with respect to the offence.
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That is beyond me. Sharmeen Chinoy brought something which gets thrown under the carpet as 'guess it happens' to the national and international conscience. Why are we so insecure?
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AKU internally are thinking the same from what I hear but HR/CEO are pretty stringent about rules. Its a reputational risk thing.
These things needs to be highlighted otherwise how would patients be aware of this ethical principles and professional boundary of a doctor. I agree he was treated harshly well that's expected from a private establishment anywhere in this world. He should have been more careful.
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If my friend is OK with so many friend requests from strangers, why is this girl not OK with one from an educated male doctor?
What struck me the most is the facebook comments of some girls under that Waqar Zaka's post. They were protecting the doc and swearing and abusing the victim and her sister. They are not even recognising this as a bad thing.
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I have already said it twice but since it seems you are unable to read I will say it s third time. This case isn't harassment but it is a breach of medical ethics. The two are not the same thing.
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There is underlying hatred for Sharmeen in Pak - similar for Malala
Blinded by hatred i guess.
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Well everyone has their reasons and who are we to judge!?
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Other celebrities jumping in...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How about girls sending friend requests to guys?This is a perfect example of misusing the woman card,there's a reason it's called 'request'!</p>— Farhan Saeed (@farhan_saeed) <a href="https://twitter.com/farhan_saeed/status/924188986486280192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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There is a facebook event where everyone will send friend request to Chinoy 
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I agree with this, I remember back in the day this idiot on my facebook posted a picture of Malala without her wound seemingly visible and said ''see no wound, kanspiracy!'', I simply zoomed his picture by 10x and the wound was right there.
The issue here is not of a friend request, the issue is breaking ethical barriers set by PMDC and every other council. Not a single one of us would be comfortable sending our daughters, mothers, wives or sisters to a doctor who would send them social media requests after a visit. Its just very unprofessional in any profession, never mind a medical one. I'd say the same thing if it a female did it to a guy, its simply unprofessional regardless of gender.
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On her FB, she equated the request to rape.
Delusional and highly offensive to actual rape victims.
Delusional and highly offensive to actual rape victims.
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There is hatred, but this doesn't absolve her of this garbage behavior of equating a friend "request" to harassment.
Please also read her tweets/FB posts where she says "you messed with the wrong people"... some social justice warrior she is when she has wadera mentality. So sending a friend request is "messing with people" ?
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You're blowing things out of proportion. I don't hate her nor am I "insecure" about her documentaries highlighting the bad side of Pakistan, if anything I'm pretty critical of Pakistani society and culture too and I'm glad she won 2 Oscars. However That doesn't excuse Sharmeen Chinoy from harassing and exploiting poor acid attack victims for her gain. If you watch the video of the acid attack victim who said agreed to be in her movie as long her face and identity were concealed which is what Chinoy had promised, yet she cheated her by revealing her identity which led to her getting divorced.
That is a huge breach of privacy and a form of harassment and exploitation, I don't know about Pakistan or Qatar but in America privacy rights and personal freedoms are valued, if she had done this America she would have lawsuits against her and would have to pay millions of $$$ to settle. Exploiting the powerless for fame isn't respected here, she'd being losing face in Hollywood for this (no pun intended).
I don't care too much hate on anybody, however I'm more than glad at exposing hypocrites.
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If the genders were switched, this wouldn't be a big deal, and it shouldn't be a big deal. Some women nowadays think that anything a man does that they don't like is abuse or something. All thanks to feminism...
Were any of those request from his current or former doctors?
Are people deliberately ignoring the fact that main issue is that the guy was a doctor and send a request to his patient?
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The reason people don't like/hate her is not because of her achievements as a female or the way she showed our society in the documentaries to win Oscars. The tweet i posted below is one the of the reason why people don't like her. It's because of her OTT statements and the feminazi attitude. "There are zero boundaries in Pakistan" i mean seriously blaming a country of 210 million because of an individual act? Females like Sharmeen and Gulalai are doing real damage and making it difficult for the actual victims of harassment.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are zero boundaries in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#pakistan</a>! Last night my sister went to AKU emergency & the doctor who tended to her tried 2 add her on FB 1/2</p>— Sharmeen Obaid (@sharmeenochinoy) <a href="https://twitter.com/sharmeenochinoy/status/922367253605175297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are zero boundaries in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#pakistan</a>! Last night my sister went to AKU emergency & the doctor who tended to her tried 2 add her on FB 1/2</p>— Sharmeen Obaid (@sharmeenochinoy) <a href="https://twitter.com/sharmeenochinoy/status/922367253605175297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Did he just ignore the fact it was a doctor who sent this request?
The main issue is collectively blaming the whole country.
Issue with doctor could have been handled privately, and if no actions were taken against the individual then she could have used social media to voice her concern toward that institution instead of trying to come off as better than over 200 million Pakistanis.
Her supporters need to understand, there are people who are and have criticized her for the sake of criticism. I was delighted that she won an Oscar and highlighted the issues that needed to be highlighted to make Pakistan a better country but when you collectively blame a country for an individual ethical mistake then you are asking for it and she has received the due criticism for that.
I am not her supporter, I agree that she shouldn't have blamed the whole country. I just disagree with people like Farhan Saeed who are trying to misguide people with their tweets.
I support her when she highlight the issues in Pakistan that needed to be highlighted but when she does it for “likes” then you have to speak up.
I agree Farhan Saeed tweet was dumb.
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A request. A REQUEST.
Brilliant to see criticism coming from all around Pakistan against Sharmeen.
I am all for women rights but i believe these kind of stunts actually negatively impact women rights cause.
I can totally understand if doctor stalked her or sent multiple requests, calls etc but if ti's all about sending a facebook request then that could be ignored or he could be told privately to behave but all this drama on facebook request alone is nothing more than attention grabbing drama.
I am all for women rights but i believe these kind of stunts actually negatively impact women rights cause.
I can totally understand if doctor stalked her or sent multiple requests, calls etc but if ti's all about sending a facebook request then that could be ignored or he could be told privately to behave but all this drama on facebook request alone is nothing more than attention grabbing drama.
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Its funny how people who try to ape westerners in every aspect of life show their ultra-conservative side if it gives them popularity.
I wonder how an American lady would have reacted if her doctor sent her an add request on freaking facebook. Lol
There are certain kind of rules which exist just as guidelines and such rules can never be taken as absolute and rigid. There are rules that you cannot listen to music on your audio player while driving a car. If the police starts to catch everyone listening to music in the car, it would be chaos.
In my opinion, at the most she shoulf have declined the request and asked the doctor to not do it again. If that didnt work, then she should have complained to the authorities. If that didn't work either, then she should have taken to social media. But No, why let go of an opportunity to get sympathy and to present yourself as saviour of women.
Categorising a friend request on FB as harrassment is an insult to the real harrassment victims.
I wonder how an American lady would have reacted if her doctor sent her an add request on freaking facebook. Lol
There are certain kind of rules which exist just as guidelines and such rules can never be taken as absolute and rigid. There are rules that you cannot listen to music on your audio player while driving a car. If the police starts to catch everyone listening to music in the car, it would be chaos.
In my opinion, at the most she shoulf have declined the request and asked the doctor to not do it again. If that didnt work, then she should have complained to the authorities. If that didn't work either, then she should have taken to social media. But No, why let go of an opportunity to get sympathy and to present yourself as saviour of women.
Categorising a friend request on FB as harrassment is an insult to the real harrassment victims.
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It's important to remember her misinterpretation or misuse of the term "harassment" does not absolve the doctor of his unprofessionalism.
He shouldn't have been sending out friend requests to anyone (male or female).
He shouldn't have been sending out friend requests to anyone (male or female).
I think the main issue is that he looked up her records ....
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Clearly a breach of ethical conduct by the doctor.But it isn’t harassment like Sharmeen Obaid claimed.The woman is an oppurtunist,as has been highlighted in the past.I appreciate her for highlighting issues in the society(winning 2 Oscars in the process) but she has also breached ethical guidelines herself:as we can see in the video of the poor acid attack victim.
What people need to realise is that people send friend requests to famous people or friends of famous people.I myself am friends with several star u-19 cricketers on FB.But the fact that this was her doctor does make things a bit creepy.
What people need to realise is that people send friend requests to famous people or friends of famous people.I myself am friends with several star u-19 cricketers on FB.But the fact that this was her doctor does make things a bit creepy.
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On another not the doctor’s career has been completely destroyed.Getting hired at AKU is a dream job.Now he probably won’t get hired anywhere else because of this issue.
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One has to question his IQ thinking this was a good idea.
He knew what he doing was wrong still thought he will remain unnoticed considering it's "just a FB friend request" to a patient. Good that she brought it up and showed the world that is wrong.
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https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pak...aids-sister-a-friend-request-offered-new-job/
Some humanity in this world.
Some humanity in this world.
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She could've reported to his managers at the hospital first or the police after that.
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Doctors make more money in a private practice or a group practice.
I also felt like that initially but seeing some people don't even considering the FB request from a male doctor to a female patient within a day of treatment as "an unethical practice" made me to change my mind. The way she said this as a harassment is all wrong but she has a point while blaming him for doing this. Instead of criticising him everyone is hell bend on how dare she speak like that and she don't deserve to talk about ethics because of her past history etc. That's completely wrong.
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So you changed your mind out of an immature emotional reaction? Lol. That isn't sound judgement.
I did expect people to have some sound judgement. But when they don't have one, they need to taught by somebody. Be it Sharmeen Obeid or somebody else.
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