Sending someone an add request on Facebook is harassment? Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy think so!

[sensible-indian-fan]

Sharmeen and Waqar Zaka once again... IIRC she made fun of him when he was going to Myanmar so now he got a chance to settle the scores
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chachi botox <a href="https://twitter.com/sharmeenochinoy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sharmeenochinoy</a> u misused celeb power, that DR. Losing his job is Harrasment, I will make sure he gets a better job.</p>— Waqar Zaka (@ZakaWaqar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZakaWaqar/status/923611879448002560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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If this is true, this is some epic ownage.

Hypocrites like her need to be exposed.

By the way, the doctor could have been severely reprimanded (but not fired) and this could have served as a great message for other hospital staff not to engage in such activity or risk getting fired in the future (before anyone quotes me about why double standards, its cos future offenders would have the privilege of foresight).

If the hospital had already strictly warned its doctors about this before (more than some vaguely written dos and don'ts), then I guess firing was the right thing to do.

 

[saadibaba]

I blame this whole debacle on our society's addiction to social medial. The doctor in question sent a Facebook request then Sharmeen used Twitter in response followed by outrage on Facebook and Twitter and subsequently national headlines and consequences. Maybe I say this because I am old enough to have known a world when people used to actually talk to each other rather than communicating through social media. Its like we have all turned into social media jockeys, navigating the boundaries and learning the norms and extremes, the good and the bad, the ups and down as we go along with our lives.

No wonder Trump is President as people of America relates to his rants on Twitter as a normal routine for people in the 21st century. His election was partly due to social media as well as people nowadays believe the news on random FB pages more than relying on traditional media outlets, a new norm exploited by Russia. The whole balance of our world, everything that we hold sacred and pure has gone out the door because of our time spent on and our instincts to just spit out random thoughts out on social media. In this situation, instead of blaming the doctor or Sharmeen, we should be blaming social media. The real culprit behind this whole fiasco.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Ok here is a scenario...

Her sister was in US and the treating doctor was white who afterwards sends her a friend request on Facebook.

Would she have screamed harassment and made a similar hoo haa about it?

 

[WebGuru]

I blame this whole debacle on our society's addiction to social medial. The doctor in question sent a Facebook request then Sharmeen used Twitter in response followed by outrage on Facebook and Twitter and subsequently national headlines and consequences. Maybe I say this because I am old enough to have known a world when people used to actually talk to each other rather than communicating through social media. Its like we have all turned into social media jockeys, navigating the boundaries and learning the norms and extremes, the good and the bad, the ups and down as we go along with our lives.

No wonder Trump is President as people of America relates to his rants on Twitter as a normal routine for people in the 21st century. His election was partly due to social media as well as people nowadays believe the news on random FB pages more than relying on traditional media outlets, a new norm exploited by Russia. The whole balance of our world, everything that we hold sacred and pure has gone out the door because of our time spent on and our instincts to just spit out random thoughts out on social media. In this situation, instead of blaming the doctor or Sharmeen, we should be blaming social media. The real culprit behind this whole fiasco.

One of the best post from this thread...

 

[Pakistanian]

Ok here is a scenario...

Her sister was in US and the treating doctor was white who afterwards sends her a friend request on Facebook.

Would she have screamed harassment and made a similar hoo haa about it?

nah she'd be all gassed up that a white guy hit on her.

 

[KingKhanWC]

nah she'd be all gassed up that a white guy hit on her.

Spot on.

One of them self hating Pakistani's who think they are superiour because they claim to be liberal and because they can put the country down.

 

[kingusama92]

Ok here is a scenario...

Her sister was in US and the treating doctor was white who afterwards sends her a friend request on Facebook.

Would she have screamed harassment and made a similar hoo haa about it?

Until proven otherwise, I'd imagine her response would be the same.

Unless the goal here is to create a scenario, assume the outcome, and make judgments about her character.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Until proven otherwise, I'd imagine her response would be the same.

Unless the goal here is to create a scenario, assume the outcome, and make judgments about her character.

so basically no one has ever hit on her or chatted her up... is what you are saying. Because if it is, she should have reacted the same way before.

 

[kingusama92]

so basically no one has ever hit on her or chatted her up... is what you are saying. Because if it is, she should have reacted the same way before.

Like I said, until proven otherwise, I'd imagine her response would be the same.

Please note, you stated "white doctor" and now have cast a wider net by including every man on the planet. I'd imagine a doctor is held to a far greater standard than the average Joe off the street.

In my opinion (and this is indeed an assumption), I believe this doctor's request was "the straw that broke the camel's back."

 

[kingusama92]

As an aside, I was reading through the tweets and one thing stood out.

She said...

"...the doctor messed with the wrong woman and wrong family..."

Is it possible her sister was bigging herself up in front of the physician for being a celebrity's sibling? This might have instigated the friend request because everyone and his dog loves being in touch with famous people unfortunately.

It's just a theory and of course, doesn't excuse the doctor's complete brain fade.

 

[saeedhk]

According to reports, the doctor has a history of harassing patients and he had already been reprimanded and ordered not to make advances towards female patients.

 

[WebGuru]

 

[Third_Umpire]

According to reports, the doctor has a history of harassing patients and he had already been reprimanded and ordered not to make advances towards female patients.

Unsurprising. This kind of behavior usually is a pattern, not a one-off.

 

[humzy]

Very unethical from the doctor to take details of patient in a professional environment, while I do agree there should be some form of punishment I think sacking him is slightly extreme.

 

[Madplayer]

I cant believe what i am reading in this thread. Am i the only one who thinks this issue is too petty to have destroyed a person's life?

I still cant believe people are okay with sharmeen obeid sharing such a thing on social media and destroying a person's life.

Next time you park your car wrong and get a ticket, your name and details should be exposed by the traffic police department on social media. That would also be okay.

Such a petty thing warranted nothing more than a simple complaint to the authorities at the most. A person who is married and has children is going to face social backlash and has lost his employment for sending a friend request. Does it get more pathetic than that?

Sharmeen should be ridiculed on every platform for destroying a person's life and career because of her misplaced definitions of harrassment. I am not even Pakistani so i dont have any bias against her but this is unacceptable to me.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On tweeting, doctor-patient privilege, women and harassment <a href="https://t.co/2HoCK36wjb">pic.twitter.com/2HoCK36wjb</a></p>— Sharmeen Obaid (@sharmeenochinoy) <a href="https://twitter.com/sharmeenochinoy/status/925242089444651009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

I cant believe what i am reading in this thread. Am i the only one who thinks this issue is too petty to have destroyed a person's life?

I still cant believe people are okay with sharmeen obeid sharing such a thing on social media and destroying a person's life.

Next time you park your car wrong and get a ticket, your name and details should be exposed by the traffic police department on social media. That would also be okay.

Such a petty thing warranted nothing more than a simple complaint to the authorities at the most. A person who is married and has children is going to face social backlash and has lost his employment for sending a friend request. Does it get more pathetic than that?

Sharmeen should be ridiculed on every platform for destroying a person's life and career because of her misplaced definitions of harrassment. I am not even Pakistani so i dont have any bias against her but this is unacceptable to me.

Whether you think its petty or not is your opinion - the ethical aspects for doctors are clear.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Sharmeen should be ridiculed on every platform for destroying a person's life and career because of her misplaced definitions of harrassment. I am not even Pakistani so i dont have any bias against her but this is unacceptable to me.

That doesn't mean you would be free from bias. One just needs to be a self entitled male to brush off the act by the doctor as something that men do, and should not be a big deal.

 

[Asim_khan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On tweeting, doctor-patient privilege, women and harassment <a href="https://t.co/2HoCK36wjb">pic.twitter.com/2HoCK36wjb</a></p>— Sharmeen Obaid (@sharmeenochinoy) <a href="https://twitter.com/sharmeenochinoy/status/925242089444651009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Rumours cast doubts on the character of the Doctor, So I can't really comment upon him, I hope the Hospital do a full and thorough enquiry and the correct decision is made.

What I can comment on is the fact that her excuse for the way she phrased the "wrong family" bit is pathetic, and she was merely playing into the toxic VIP culture of Pakistan when she made it, woulda suited her better had she owned up to her mistake and realised the privilege she has, and the responsibility that comes with that, like she rightfully expects Pakistani men to do so.

 

[Madplayer]

Whether you think its petty or not is your opinion - the ethical aspects for doctors are clear.

Yes, i am just voicing my personal opinion. The matter was too petty to put out in public by a celebrity. The complaint should have sufficed. But its just my opinion at the end of the day.

 

[Madplayer]

That doesn't mean you would be free from bias. One just needs to be a self entitled male to brush off the act by the doctor as something that men do, and should not be a big deal.

Or one can be an over-compensating fool to declare every claim made by a woman as absolutely correct without looking at the merits of the case or even listening to the other side of the story just because women havr been at the receiving end traditionally.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Or one can be an over-compensating fool to declare every claim made by a woman as absolutely correct without looking at the merits of the case or even listening to the other side of the story just because women havr been at the receiving end traditionally.

I am shocked that anyone who looks at the merits of the case objectively would come to any conclusion other than the doctor being clearly in the wrong and deserving of being fired for gross negligence.

- Doctor meets patient in ER to treat her. Presumably he did not know her from outside this context, so instantly any information he learns about the patient (name, address, any of her medical info, etc) becomes confidential and subject to patient-doctor privilege.
- After the patient's visit, doctor (sounds like a couple days later?) decides to look up patient on FB using information he accessed as part of patient's visit (patient's name). From what we know, he adds her and even comments on a picture or two.
- This is different from guys adding girls randomly on FB trying to strike up a conversation. That is cringe worthy on it's own. This is a violation of trust as the context that the two people interacted was Doctor-Patient.
- It is hard to understate this as "someone just sending a FB request", and that the "Deny" button is always there to use. Of course denying and keeping quiet is an option. But why should one keep quiet? Everything about this doctor's actions are reprehensible...knowing our society, it's probably not just this one bad actor that does this kind of thing, so if there's an opportunity to highlight this incident to hold the accused accountable, and raise a deterrent for future such behavior.... then WHY NOT highlight it?
- On top of it all, no one wants to acknowledge that this doctor is a father of four, and presumably those four children have a mother (i.e. the doctor's wife). There is a moral and ethical question about this doctor's behavior with respect to his family, if he is going around trying to chat up / befriend other women. This is one we know about, how many others has he tried this kind of trick with? I wonder if his wife is more upset that he got fired, or relieved that he's no longer in a situation where he can exploit his female patients and try to chat them up. It's probably a bit of both.
- Finally, for all those who are concerned about the doctor's job and his career. Well, if he didn't think or care enough about it, then maybe you shouldn't either. Everyone is accountable for their actions, and it's hard for me to accept that he wasn't aware that his behavior was inappropriate. He decided to roll the dice, and try his luck with a woman he perhaps found attractive. He lost. Time for him to behave like a real man, pick up the pieces and get his personal and professional life back on track.

 

[Pakpak]

I am shocked that anyone who looks at the merits of the case objectively would come to any conclusion other than the doctor being clearly in the wrong and deserving of being fired for gross negligence.

- Doctor meets patient in ER to treat her. Presumably he did not know her from outside this context, so instantly any information he learns about the patient (name, address, any of her medical info, etc) becomes confidential and subject to patient-doctor privilege.
- After the patient's visit, doctor (sounds like a couple days later?) decides to look up patient on FB using information he accessed as part of patient's visit (patient's name). From what we know, he adds her and even comments on a picture or two.
- This is different from guys adding girls randomly on FB trying to strike up a conversation. That is cringe worthy on it's own. This is a violation of trust as the context that the two people interacted was Doctor-Patient.
- It is hard to understate this as "someone just sending a FB request", and that the "Deny" button is always there to use. Of course denying and keeping quiet is an option. But why should one keep quiet? Everything about this doctor's actions are reprehensible...knowing our society, it's probably not just this one bad actor that does this kind of thing, so if there's an opportunity to highlight this incident to hold the accused accountable, and raise a deterrent for future such behavior.... then WHY NOT highlight it?
- On top of it all, no one wants to acknowledge that this doctor is a father of four, and presumably those four children have a mother (i.e. the doctor's wife). There is a moral and ethical question about this doctor's behavior with respect to his family, if he is going around trying to chat up / befriend other women. This is one we know about, how many others has he tried this kind of trick with? I wonder if his wife is more upset that he got fired, or relieved that he's no longer in a situation where he can exploit his female patients and try to chat them up. It's probably a bit of both.
- Finally, for all those who are concerned about the doctor's job and his career. Well, if he didn't think or care enough about it, then maybe you shouldn't either. Everyone is accountable for their actions, and it's hard for me to accept that he wasn't aware that his behavior was inappropriate. He decided to roll the dice, and try his luck with a woman he perhaps found attractive. He lost. Time for him to behave like a real man, pick up the pieces and get his personal and professional life back on track.

Top post. Also the fact that PMDC's own regulations were violated, so even by the council's policies he deserved some action. Whether that should have been a sacking or a warning is subject to the medical council's decision.

Chinoy reacted maybe too badly, however there is no doubt if this would have happened to a normal woman nothing would have happened. What next, sending messages to female patients on text is good as well? The same posters would have been calling a married female doctor a slut if she was sending requests to patients.

Excellent post. Wish you posted more on PP. And as I said this facebook stalking nonsense is endemic in Pakistan and India, my cousins, wife, friends still get random ''wanna be frands darling'' nonsense everytime. Don't know why so thirsty. Even if the person being targeted in question is married that doesn't stop these facebook romeos.

 

[kaayal]

I am shocked that anyone who looks at the merits of the case objectively would come to any conclusion other than the doctor being clearly in the wrong and deserving of being fired for gross negligence.

- Doctor meets patient in ER to treat her. Presumably he did not know her from outside this context, so instantly any information he learns about the patient (name, address, any of her medical info, etc) becomes confidential and subject to patient-doctor privilege.
- After the patient's visit, doctor (sounds like a couple days later?) decides to look up patient on FB using information he accessed as part of patient's visit (patient's name). From what we know, he adds her and even comments on a picture or two.
- This is different from guys adding girls randomly on FB trying to strike up a conversation. That is cringe worthy on it's own. This is a violation of trust as the context that the two people interacted was Doctor-Patient.
- It is hard to understate this as "someone just sending a FB request", and that the "Deny" button is always there to use. Of course denying and keeping quiet is an option. But why should one keep quiet? Everything about this doctor's actions are reprehensible...knowing our society, it's probably not just this one bad actor that does this kind of thing, so if there's an opportunity to highlight this incident to hold the accused accountable, and raise a deterrent for future such behavior.... then WHY NOT highlight it?
- On top of it all, no one wants to acknowledge that this doctor is a father of four, and presumably those four children have a mother (i.e. the doctor's wife). There is a moral and ethical question about this doctor's behavior with respect to his family, if he is going around trying to chat up / befriend other women. This is one we know about, how many others has he tried this kind of trick with? I wonder if his wife is more upset that he got fired, or relieved that he's no longer in a situation where he can exploit his female patients and try to chat them up. It's probably a bit of both.
- Finally, for all those who are concerned about the doctor's job and his career. Well, if he didn't think or care enough about it, then maybe you shouldn't either. Everyone is accountable for their actions, and it's hard for me to accept that he wasn't aware that his behavior was inappropriate. He decided to roll the dice, and try his luck with a woman he perhaps found attractive. He lost. Time for him to behave like a real man, pick up the pieces and get his personal and professional life back on track.

top post. but no one will understand this here.

for them these are feminazi attitudes and bullying "a 4 bachhon ka baap".

 

[Pakistanian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On tweeting, doctor-patient privilege, women and harassment <a href="https://t.co/2HoCK36wjb">pic.twitter.com/2HoCK36wjb</a></p>— Sharmeen Obaid (@sharmeenochinoy) <a href="https://twitter.com/sharmeenochinoy/status/925242089444651009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2017</a></blockquote>
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She has yet to explain herself on the alleged exploitation of acid attack victims for her movie and her failure to keep her promises.

 

[Markhor]

Some of the non-healthcare professionals posting on this thread need to understand the context.

I'm a pharmacist and if I pulled this on a patient the GPhC would be on me like a ton of bricks.

Embarrassing behaviour - HCPs are educated time and again in their training about patient confidentiality and maintaining professional boundaries.

 

[kingusama92]

So he left comments on her photos too?

Clearly seems it was more than a simple friend request.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So he left comments on her photos too?

Clearly seems it was more than a simple friend request.

But she has not provided any proof of this.

Is there a statement from the doctor?

 

[Madplayer]

I am shocked that anyone who looks at the merits of the case objectively would come to any conclusion other than the doctor being clearly in the wrong and deserving of being fired for gross negligence.

Deserved getting Fired for sending a friend request? I don't agree with this. Unfortunately it seems that the hospital authorities came under pressure to fire him to maintain their reputation and to ensure that patients dont stop coming to their hospital because Pakistani is a conservative society. This is where the social angle comes in which was knowingly exploited by Sharmeen obaid.

- Doctor meets patient in ER to treat her. Presumably he did not know her from outside this context, so instantly any information he learns about the patient (name, address, any of her medical info, etc) becomes confidential and subject to patient-doctor privilege.
- After the patient's visit, doctor (sounds like a couple days later?) decides to look up patient on FB using information he accessed as part of patient's visit (patient's name). From what we know, he adds her and even comments on a picture or two.
- This is different from guys adding girls randomly on FB trying to strike up a conversation. That is cringe worthy on it's own. This is a violation of trust as the context that the two people interacted was Doctor-Patient.

Okay, if someone has a problem with it, he/she can complain to the authorities and trust them to take a decision. But when a celebrity takes to social media and claims harrassment, it puts tremendous pressure on the hospital authorities to take a decision which is completely influenced, not by the merits of the case, but by the potential outcome of the decision. If they fire him, people will come to hospital. If they dont fire him people will not come to hospital because a sharmeen put it out in public that the hospital has perverts working as doctors.

You dont even know whether her claims are true or not about the doctor commenting on pics and all. Have you heard the doctor's side of the story in this regard? No, but just because the supposed "victim" claimed it, it must be true. It can be true but as of now nobody knows. And sharmeen has a history of committing fraud so i wont be surprised if this is all a lie to supplement her earlier claims of harrassment.

- It is hard to understate this as "someone just sending a FB request", and that the "Deny" button is always there to use. Of course denying and keeping quiet is an option. But why should one keep quiet? Everything about this doctor's actions are reprehensible...knowing our society, it's probably not just this one bad actor that does this kind of thing, so if there's an opportunity to highlight this incident to hold the accused accountable, and raise a deterrent for future such behavior.... then WHY NOT highlight it?

If she had such an urge to highlight the issue, she should have waited till an unbiased inquiry took place and then after the proper decisons were taken, she could have talked about it. But no, she had to vomit it out before somebody else took the credit.

- On top of it all, no one wants to acknowledge that this doctor is a father of four, and presumably those four children have a mother (i.e. the doctor's wife). There is a moral and ethical question about this doctor's behavior with respect to his family, if he is going around trying to chat up / befriend other women. This is one we know about, how many others has he tried this kind of trick with? I wonder if his wife is more upset that he got fired, or relieved that he's no longer in a situation where he can exploit his female patients and try to chat them up. It's probably a bit of both.

Is this for real? Lol So "befriending" other women is immoral? I thought we had to be progressive like the western countries where the society is mixed and men are free to make friends with women and vice versa. "Try to chat them up" in this specific case, after looking at the SOPs and other guidelines mentioned by the fellow posters, i have to conceded that the doctor did something unethical which was not within the ambit of professionalism. It certainly does not amount to harrassment though because hardly any conversation took place from what we know so far.

- Finally, for all those who are concerned about the doctor's job and his career. Well, if he didn't think or care enough about it, then maybe you shouldn't either. Everyone is accountable for their actions, and it's hard for me to accept that he wasn't aware that his behavior was inappropriate. He decided to roll the dice, and try his luck with a woman he perhaps found attractive. He lost. Time for him to behave like a real man, pick up the pieces and get his personal and professional life back on track.

Perhaps he found her attractive, maybe he tried his luck. Judgements galore.

 

[kingusama92]

But she has not provided any proof of this.

Is there a statement from the doctor?

Recent news coming out isn't looking too bright for him.

The friend request, comments, and previous complaints don't help his case.

Later, it surfaced that the doctor was already undergoing an inquiry over several complaints lodged by other staff and faculty members. This inquiry had been going on before Sharmeen and her sister registered their complaint with AKUH.

If these are lies, he owes it to himself to clear the air.

The image being painted of him right now is not a good one and his silence is making it worse.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Deserved getting Fired for sending a friend request? I don't agree with this. Unfortunately it seems that the hospital authorities came under pressure to fire him to maintain their reputation and to ensure that patients dont stop coming to their hospital because Pakistani is a conservative society. This is where the social angle comes in which was knowingly exploited by Sharmeen obaid.

Actually, they fired him because he violated their policies as many others have already pointed out, several times. And even if they were firing him to maintain their reputation, isn't that the correct thing to do? Shouldn't a hospital be worried about their reputation? Or any organization for that matter? Not sure what the point here was.

Okay, if someone has a problem with it, he/she can complain to the authorities and trust them to take a decision. But when a celebrity takes to social media and claims harrassment, it puts tremendous pressure on the hospital authorities to take a decision which is completely influenced, not by the merits of the case, but by the potential outcome of the decision. If they fire him, people will come to hospital. If they dont fire him people will not come to hospital because a sharmeen put it out in public that the hospital has perverts working as doctors.

You dont even know whether her claims are true or not about the doctor commenting on pics and all. Have you heard the doctor's side of the story in this regard? No, but just because the supposed "victim" claimed it, it must be true. It can be true but as of now nobody knows. And sharmeen has a history of committing fraud so i wont be surprised if this is all a lie to supplement her earlier claims of harrassment.

Celebrities have influence over society as you noted. In this case, the celebrity chose to use that influence to highlight a grievance she had over the gross negligence a doctor displayed. Why is this a bad thing, again? Why should a pervert doctor not be subjected to disgrace? What is causing you and others to defend a doctor who clearly violated the trust of his patient, and the policies of his employer in a depraved, desperate manner? Isn't that what the focus should be on, instead of who wrote the tweets?

If she had such an urge to highlight the issue, she should have waited till an unbiased inquiry took place and then after the proper decisons were taken, she could have talked about it. But no, she had to vomit it out before somebody else took the credit.

Credit? not sure she needs credit for shaming some low life pervert doctor. See above. She, rightfully, used her celebrity status to highlight the issue with this incident, which certainly is not an isolated one in our society. An unbiased inquiry was likely not needed to convince her the moment her sister showed her the add request from the creepy doctor.

Is this for real? Lol So "befriending" other women is immoral? I thought we had to be progressive like the western countries where the society is mixed and men are free to make friends with women and vice versa. "Try to chat them up" in this specific case, after looking at the SOPs and other guidelines mentioned by the fellow posters, i have to conceded that the doctor did something unethical which was not within the ambit of professionalism. It certainly does not amount to harrassment though because hardly any conversation took place from what we know so far.

Befriending other women is not the problem. Stalking your patient is. Which is what this doctor decided to do. Not sure if you're from Pakistan or elsewhere, but in our society it is very easy to identify this kind of behavior on FB...it's not in pursuit of genuine friendship, trust me. Harassment is not for you to define for others; you and I may not understand a woman's POV, but at least we can put ourselves in the shoes of women in our family and see how angry we would feel if they were pursued by their doctor in the way this woman was.

Surprised at your persistence in defending the indefensible.

 

[kaayal]

Deserved getting Fired for sending a friend request? I don't agree with this. Unfortunately it seems that the hospital authorities came under pressure to fire him to maintain their reputation and to ensure that patients dont stop coming to their hospital because Pakistani is a conservative society. This is where the social angle comes in which was knowingly exploited by Sharmeen obaid.



Okay, if someone has a problem with it, he/she can complain to the authorities and trust them to take a decision. But when a celebrity takes to social media and claims harrassment, it puts tremendous pressure on the hospital authorities to take a decision which is completely influenced, not by the merits of the case, but by the potential outcome of the decision. If they fire him, people will come to hospital. If they dont fire him people will not come to hospital because a sharmeen put it out in public that the hospital has perverts working as doctors.

You dont even know whether her claims are true or not about the doctor commenting on pics and all. Have you heard the doctor's side of the story in this regard? No, but just because the supposed "victim" claimed it, it must be true. It can be true but as of now nobody knows. And sharmeen has a history of committing fraud so i wont be surprised if this is all a lie to supplement her earlier claims of harrassment.



If she had such an urge to highlight the issue, she should have waited till an unbiased inquiry took place and then after the proper decisons were taken, she could have talked about it. But no, she had to vomit it out before somebody else took the credit.



Is this for real? Lol So "befriending" other women is immoral? I thought we had to be progressive like the western countries where the society is mixed and men are free to make friends with women and vice versa. "Try to chat them up" in this specific case, after looking at the SOPs and other guidelines mentioned by the fellow posters, i have to conceded that the doctor did something unethical which was not within the ambit of professionalism. It certainly does not amount to harrassment though because hardly any conversation took place from what we know so far.



Perhaps he found her attractive, maybe he tried his luck. Judgements galore.

Arrey bhai why are you defending him soo much? Every medical professional (including myself, a female doctor) said it several times that this is wrong according to any Medical Councils code of conduct. And the Private hospital have the right to fire their employee if they violate their policies. You don't need to be a celebrity to do this exactly. Even a simple complaint will be harshly dealt by any private institutes. Basically he was careless about this and tried his luck. And he definitely chose the wrong woman (who was aware of this misconduct) for it.

 

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I had been avoiding this issue for some time now. But I have to say it;

Pakistan is a funny, funny country. And Pakistani's, even more comical. On the one hand, people around the world appreciate the achievements of their people but back home, we make sure to not only downplay their success but even go to the extent of vilifying them. Morbid character assassination. It really makes you think - Notoriety for being good?

We saw it with Dr. Abdus Salam, a Pakistani theoretical physicist who won the country's first Nobel prize being labelled an apostate and forced to flee. We saw it with Malala Yousafzai winning the Nobel prize, a young activist protesting for education and the fight against terrorism blamed to be an American agent and now we're seeing it against Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy, a two time Academy Award winner being persecuted at every opportunity available (or shall I say, forced) simply because she doesn't remain oblivious to reality and has a voice for herself.

Marvelous. Looking at how things have been, Pakistani's might as well distance themselves from even fantasizing about prestigious honors. Notoriety for the pure.

 

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I had been avoiding this issue for some time now. But I have to say it;

Pakistan is a funny, funny country. And Pakistani's, even more comical. On the one hand, people around the world appreciate the achievements of their people but back home, we make sure to not only downplay their success but even go to the extent of vilifying them. Morbid character assassination. It really makes you think - Notoriety for being good?

We saw it with Dr. Abdus Salam, a Pakistani theoretical physicist who won the country's first Nobel prize being labelled an apostate and forced to flee. We saw it with Malala Yousafzai winning the Nobel prize, a young activist protesting for education and the fight against terrorism blamed to be an American agent and now we're seeing it against Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy, a two time Academy Award winner being persecuted at every opportunity available (or shall I say, forced) simply because she doesn't remain oblivious to reality and has a voice for herself.

Marvelous. Looking at how things have been, Pakistani's might as well distance themselves from even fantasizing about prestigious honors. Notoriety for the pure.

people are pointing out few facts: one, doctor breached ethic and should have been punished for his conduct.
second, Miss. Chinoy use of language, just as you have chose to blame "Pakistan and Pakistani".
third, evidence against her exist to exploit poor people to make her documentary. simply pointing out and calling her out on that isn't a crime. And this will be brought up every time she slips up, until she address it.

My view on her, I respect her for highlighting the issues that needed to be highlighted. We need more people like her to highlight such issue to make Pakistan a better country.

 

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people are pointing out few facts: one, doctor breached ethic and should have been punished for his conduct.
second, Miss. Chinoy use of language, just as you have chose to blame "Pakistan and Pakistani".
third, evidence against her exist to exploit poor people to make her documentary. simply pointing out and calling her out on that isn't a crime. And this will be brought up every time she slips up, until she address it.

My view on her, I respect her for highlighting the issues that needed to be highlighted. We need more people like her to highlight such issue to make Pakistan a better country.

I personally think there was nothing wrong with the use of words either, despite the fact that she's been forced to change her statements and unfortunately, made to apologize. This is absolutely harassment in all its definitions.

The relationship between a patient and a doctor is very professional, but also very private and personal at the same time. When you give personal information to your doctor, you don't expect him to start making approaches.

Agha Khan being the respectable institution it is made the perfect decision by firing this man.

 

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I personally think there was nothing wrong with the use of words either, despite the fact that she's been forced to change her statements and unfortunately, made to apologize. This is absolutely harassment in all its definitions.

The relationship between a patient and a doctor is very professional, but also very private and personal at the same time. When you give personal information to your doctor, you don't expect him to start making approaches.

Agha Khan being the respectable institution it is made the perfect decision by firing this man.

"There are zero boundaries in #pakistan! "

if you do not see nothing wrong with this then I do not find the need to further discuss.

Doctors from all over the world breach ethics everyday and they are dealt with daily according the rules and regulation. It happens all over the world. A perfect example would be currently what is happening in Hollywood, no victim tried to blame every US citizen for it to gain some browny points. They only blame the culprit of the crime.

Doctor was ethically wrong and he was punished what AKU deemed reasonable at that time. It was not Miss. Chinoy's fault and she can't be blame for that.