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The Indian Army on Thursday convicted seven soldiers, including two officers, and sentenced them to life imprisonment for the staged killing of three civilians in Jammu and Kashmir in 2010. The service benefits of the seven convicted army men have also been suspended.

On April 30, 2010, three civilians — Shahzad Ahmad Khan, Mohammad Shafi Lone and Riyaz Ahmad Lone of Nadihal, Rafiabad in Sopore — were lured to work as porters for the army in Kupwara district. Instead, the army killed them in a fake encounter, applied black paint on the clean-shaven faces of the slain, placed weapons on them and said they had killed foreign militants. It was later found out that they were the three civilians missing from Rafiabad.

The staged killings, known as the Machil fake encounter case, became one of the important reasons for the 2010 mass protests in Kashmir, in which the Indian police and Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) killed more than 120 young unarmed protesters.

Police had registered a case and charged 11 men. This list included a surrendered militant who worked with the army, Bashir Ahmad Lone, and Abdul Hamid and Syed Abbas of the Territorial Army, Colonel D K Pathania who was commanding officer of 4-Rajput, Major Moriya, who was the adjutant and Major Upinder.

Chief Minister Omar Abdullah tweeted about the verdict, calling it a welcome step and a watershed moment. The Machil encounter conviction comes days after the Indian Army shot and killed two young men when their vehicle sped past a check post without stopping when it was asked to. The army has accepted its mistake and an enquiry is going on.

The Machil encounter had revealed a new phenomenon in the army where staged encounters led to decorations and rewards. In some cases these were encounters that never took place; in others, innocent civilians were killed and later passed off as militants.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/790955/staged-encounter-seven-indian-soldiers-get-life-imprisonment/

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Bro, please do check if any Kashmiri news paper reports this. I highly doubt they would.
 
Zanjeer said:
Bro, please do check if any Kashmiri news paper reports this. I highly doubt they would.
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Why it won't be reported? I don't know any Kashmiri newspaper but I am very sure that killing innocent folks for getting a medal will be reported in all newspapers in Kashmir. Since 7 army personnel have been convicted, it leaves a very little doubt about the authenticity of this incident.
 
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Zanjeer said:
Bro, please do check if any Kashmiri news paper reports this. I highly doubt they would.
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I just Googled it and found it reported in Kashmir times. I don't know if it is widely read newspaper.
 
They killed 120 protesters ??

Awful and sickening. But its good to see they finally took some action.
 
Israel and India are no different when it comes to occupying territories that are not theirs.
 
only life in "prison"(more like a hotel)?, they should be executed for mass murder.
 
A coupe of guys from Kashmir told me that its a common practice by the Indian Govt to select dangerous convicted killers and rapists etc from the Indian Jails, give them a coupe of weeks of training and dress them up in the Indian army and send them to Kashmir to terrorize and control the locals.
 
The fake encounter guys got what they deserved.While the Pakistani news agency took the oppurtunity to spread lies like 120 people were killed in the riots.
 
cricketjoshila said:
The fake encounter guys got what they deserved.While the Pakistani news agency took the oppurtunity to spread lies like 120 people were killed in the riots.
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I don't think that Pakistani media reported it wrong. I just Googled it and here is a description in Indian media,

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The killings sparked widespread protests in Kashmir valley, which snowballed into a full-fledged agitation lasting till mid-October in 2010.

Nearly 120 people were killed in security forces' action in the five months following the Machil fake encounter deaths.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...g-commanding-officer/articleshow/45131618.cms

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cricketjoshila said:
The fake encounter guys got what they deserved.While the Pakistani news agency took the oppurtunity to spread lies like 120 people were killed in the riots.
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Here is one detailed account of Indian media recounting the entire incident,

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Rewind: A look back at 2010 Machil fake encounter case


An Army court on Wednesday ordered court martial proceedings against one Colonel,one major and four others in connection with the 2010 Machil fake encounter case.

The case is about three youths from the Valley,who were killed in a fake encounter and labelled as hardcore militants in 2010.
On April 30,2010,the Army had claimed that they had killed three infiltrators in the Machil sector along the Line of Control.


Reyaz Ahmad,Mohammad Shafi and Shahzad Ahmad – all residents of Nadihal in Baramulla district- were reportedly lured by a former SPO Bashir Ahmad Lone and his accomplices to Machil on the pretext of getting them high-paying jobs in the Army and later handed over to Army for Rs 50,000 each.

The trio was later allegedly shot dead in a staged gun-battle near the Line of Control. Dubbed as Pakistani infiltrators,they were buried as unidentified militants. The case came to light when police found discrepancies in the FIR lodged by the Army unit and launched an inquiry into the incident.

Following complaints from relatives of the victims,a Territorial Army jawan and two others were arrested by police but the incident led to unrest in the entire Kashmir Valley and widespread demonstrations in which 123 people were killed.

Eleven persons including nine army officials and two civilians were charged under Sections 302 (murder),364 (abduction),120-B (criminal conspiracy) and 34 (common intent) of the Ranbir Penal Code (RPC).

The army personnel against whom chargesheet was filed included Colonel D K Pathania of the 4 Rajput Rifles,Major Opendra Singh,Major Maurya (Adjutant),Subedar Satbir,Hawaldar Bir Singh,Sepoy Chadra Bhan,Sepoy Nagendra Singh,Sepoy Narendra Singh and Abbas Hussain Shah of the Territorial Army.

Army had removed Colonel Pathania from the commanding of his unit while Major Opendra,who was the second officer of the unit,was suspended after an internal inquiry was launched by the force.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...look-back-at-2010-machil-fake-encounter-case/

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Good to see India punishing those who deserve it. But what about the criminals that killed 120+ innocent people? I hope something comes out of that as well.

A word of advice to fellow Indian PPers, sometimes it is best to admit that the doings of your army and policemen is nothing short of shameful. It's much easier to blame Pakistan at every given opportunity but if an injustice happens in your own country at the hands of your own jawans then I very much doubt Pakistan has any hand in it.
 
Fake encounters are the story of subcontinent. This is one reason men in uniform scare common folks.
 
This news is extremely hard to digest, very sickening. I am glad the perpetrators are brought to justice. Now its time to do the same for the 120 innocent people who lost their lives while protesting this brutal act.
 
Buffet said:
Why it won't be reported? I don't know any Kashmiri newspaper but I am very sure that killing innocent folks for getting a medal will be reported in all newspapers in Kashmir. Since 7 army personnel have been convicted, it leaves a very little doubt about the authenticity of this incident.
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I said that because all the Kashmiri newspapers are anti India. Whenever India does any good thing, they don't report it and give a twisted views to it. In the name free journalism these people are selling seperatists agenda for a long time. That's why I doubt they would hide this news as well.
 
Zanjeer said:
I said that because all the Kashmiri newspapers are anti India. Whenever India does any good thing, they don't report it and give a twisted views to it. In the name free journalism these people are selling NATIONALISTS agenda for a long time. That's why I doubt they would hide this news as well.
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Fixed, and corrected
 
UmarAkmals-fan said:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...to-life-imprisonment/articleshow/45142081.cms

guys just check the comment section .....majority of Indians in comment section r happy those innocent souls were killed and army men should be rewarded ...just disgusting mentality of RSS supporters ...very similar to the Zionist Israeli land thiefs
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I know, disgusting behaviour and comments.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, there have been so many terrible incidents since 1989.

Let's not forget what happened last week to those 2 teenagers - massacred in cold blood.
 
Wasn't there a film called Shaurya which depicted something very close to this event?
 
90MPH said:
I know, disgusting behaviour and comments.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, there have been so many terrible incidents since 1989.

Let's not forget what happened last week to those 2 teenagers - massacred in cold blood.
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Dark characters are there in every society and you should count population % who posted that comment / population who read that ( = 0.0001%) I thought the Indian Govt.( or army) has done well. Justice should be prevailed irrespective of community and regions
 
srh said:
they should have got capital punishment
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in india, the capital punishment is only applied in the most extreme of cases. the capital punishment is considered state sponsored murder and thus is not handed out without considerable deliberation. furthermore, a capital punishment would lead to an automatic appeal that can go as far up as the supreme court and will only get messier and murkier.

i think justice has been served. my condolences to the families of the unfortunate victims and to the family of the aggressors.
 
FreeBird said:
A coupe of guys from Kashmir told me that its a common practice by the Indian Govt to select dangerous convicted killers and rapists etc from the Indian Jails, give them a coupe of weeks of training and dress them up in the Indian army and send them to Kashmir to terrorize and control the locals.
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absolutely false. fake encounters have occurred and are unfortunately not localized to kashmir, but have occurred in bombay, and against operations to root out maoists. but this supposed allegation that your friend has hinted at is absolutely nonsense.

apply simple logic: if such a devious conspiracy occurs, why has it not been revealed? no conspiracy remains under covers indefinitely. and the more egregious the conspiracy, the more likely that it will be revealed.

the indian army or the police are no saints. they, like every other armed force in the history of humanity is extremely poor at governance and maintaining peace because at the end of the day, if you give a man a gun, he becomes a dragoon. give him a uniform and you are just validating his authority. and a dragoon will only control by the threat or violence or actual violence.

but to extrapolate that to cast aspersions on a whole judicial system is absurd.
 
It is too little, but a critical step forward. Soldiers are often shielded despite their wrong doings, because of nationalistic propaganda purposes. Yes, they do a difficult job and deserve our respect for that, but not at the cost of innocent lives. Not all soldiers are gentlemen, no matter how many times they salute the flag.
 
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Why does [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] act like India can do nothing wrong?
 


JAMMU: The army's northern command GOC on Monday confirmed the life sentence awarded to six army personnel, including a colonel-rank officer, by a general court martial in the 2012 Machil fake encounter case, an army official said.

"General Officer Commanding in Chief (GOC-in-C), Northern Command, Lieutenant General D.S. Hooda has confirmed the sentence of a Summary General Court Martial in the Machil encounter case," Colonel S.D. Goswami, spokesman of the army's Udhampur-based Northern Command, told IANS here.

"Colonel Dinesh Pathania, Captain Upendra, Havildar Devendra Kumar, Lance Naik Lakhmi, Lance Naik Arun Kumar and Rifleman Abbas Hussain have been awarded life imprisonment," he said.

In April 2012, the army had claimed killing three guerrillas in Machil sector on the Line of Control in Kupwara district during an infiltration bid.

There was a public outcry after photographs of those killed in the alleged encounter were released, as relatives and neighbours of the slain persons claimed that the three civilians were framed and killed in a stage managed gunfight and they were not connected with militancy in any way.

Police investigations later proved the three civilians were lured with promises of jobs and taken to the border where they were killed in a fake encounter for money and rewards.

The army later ordered a general court martial that found the six army personnel guilty
 
Killing innocent people near LoC to label them as Pakistani militant wow just wow! This one got reported but we don't know how many have happened in past and still happening. And than Pakistan is blamed every wrong thing but well wait a minute the joshila brigade will be here soon to tell us the so called reality.

n April 29, 2010, Shezad Ahmad, Riyaz Ahmad and Mohammad Shafi from Nadihal village of Baramulla were lured by two local counter-insurgency agents — Bashir Ahmad Lone and Abdul Hamid — and a Territorial Army jawan Abbas Hussain Shah to Kalaroos village in the Machil sector near the LoC. The three, who were promised jobs as porters and “good money”, were then killed by the soldiers near the Sona Pindi post and dubbed as “Pakistani militants”.
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http://indianexpress.com/article/in...fe-sentences-of-six-army-personnel-confirmed/
 
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There have been so many custodial disappearances that's it's difficult to correctly guess the number. And guess what! Most of them were taken to far flung areas, killed in fake encounters and labelled as militants. The families never got the news of death. And bodies go burried in nameless graves. And the army officers got promoted and made big money.
 
Lot of unsolved human violations by our army can't deny or justify,plain sad!
 
Saeed said:
Israel and India are no different when it comes to occupying territories that are not theirs.
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Why ???kashmir toh chad bhai...even pakistan was part of india....india never ever conquered any region in her whole history
 
Indian Army is known for being scumbags of highest order , thats their strategy to keep the Kashmiris under their control , either by torture and fear.
 
JaDed said:
Lot of unsolved human violations by our army can't deny or justify,plain sad!
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People in the military aren't like how it is shown in the movies. They are just like every other person on the street. The tough, disciplined honest officer you see is rare and they mostly found in higher ranking positions. Ideally military like their army men to be like that but majority of them joined the army because they like being part of it, some like it because of the power and action you get. Indian movies make Indian army look like they are best disciplined force in the world, Pakistani movies make their army look like saints and so on. Best thing you can do is look at them just like any other human beings. Don't need to be sad over them.
 
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Thivagar said:
People in the military aren't like how it is shown in the movies. They are just like every other person on the street. The tough, disciplined honest officer you see is rare and they mostly found in higher ranking positions. Ideally military like their army men to be like that but majority of them joined the army because they like being part of it, some like it because of the power and action you get. Indian movies make Indian army look like they are best disciplined force in the world, Pakistani movies make their army look like saints and so on. Best thing you can do is look at them just like any other human beings. Don't need to be sad over them.
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Right on the money. Army is a killing machine. That's how they're socialized and trained.
 
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Excellent work. Proud of Justice by Army Court , I am sure no one noticed it.
 
Thivagar said:
People in the military aren't like how it is shown in the movies. They are just like every other person on the street. The tough, disciplined honest officer you see is rare and they mostly found in higher ranking positions. Ideally military like their army men to be like that but majority of them joined the army because they like being part of it, some like it because of the power and action you get. Indian movies make Indian army look like they are best disciplined force in the world, Pakistani movies make their army look like saints and so on. Best thing you can do is look at them just like any other human beings. Don't need to be sad over them.
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Yup the 'holy cow' approach to Army is not benefiting anyone and AFSPA makes things even worse.
 
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JaDed said:
Yup the 'holy cow' approach to Army is not benefiting anyone and AFSPA makes things even worse.
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People are aware of inhuman practice of army and paramilitary forces, they know only one thing kill, create panic and take control of situation. This is the main reason why other state governments use army as the last option. Government of JK should strengthen the police force to take care of internal security like Punjab police or Tamil police.
 
akki said:
Why ???kashmir toh chad bhai...even pakistan was part of india....india never ever conquered any region in her whole history
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There was no Pakistan before 1947. There was no India either, as Quaid-e-Azam says India is a subcontinent of nationalities. The region India used to consist of Kingdoms and yes the so called Pakistan was part of those Kingdoms.
 
Saeed said:
There was no Pakistan before 1947. There was no India either, as Quaid-e-Azam says India is a subcontinent of nationalities. The region India used to consist of Kingdoms and yes the so called Pakistan was part of those Kingdoms.
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Go through what explorers like Columbus etc etc were searching for?

What was Megasthenes talking about in Indica?

What did Hiuen Tsang and Fa Hien wrote about?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Go through what explorers like Columbus etc etc were searching for?

What was Megasthenes talking about in Indica?

What did Hiuen Tsang and Fa Hien wrote about?
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Moreover repeated attacks by the islamic invaders were attacking India and forcefully setup their control over it. On theory either the current Pak/Afg population and for that matter even Indian and BD muslim pop is either converted(forcefully/otherwise) or actually descendants of people who came from persia and beyond. The reason I mentioned the word islamic is because their moto was not only to capture area but to spread islam in the region. This was always there recorded in history.
 
Rishikesh said:
People are aware of inhuman practice of army and paramilitary forces, they know only one thing kill, create panic and take control of situation. This is the main reason why other state governments use army as the last option. Government of JK should strengthen the police force to take care of internal security like Punjab police or Tamil police.
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I completely agree but i have heard from even the Pandit families in Kashmir that Army has been involved in a lot of business ,many of them have gone corrupt and would never leave.
Having said that i respect the army my grandparents are from Army but they have been too long in a state and its not solving anything either.Also everytime it comes up for debate about revoking AFSPA ,jingoistic brigade rakes up the issue and the discussion is shut down.
Looks like we are atleast 25 years away from just a proper 'debate' on the issue.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Go through what explorers like Columbus etc etc were searching for?

What was Megasthenes talking about in Indica?

What did Hiuen Tsang and Fa Hien wrote about?
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Republic of India never existed before Aug 15, 1947.

Before that from 1857-1947, majority of it was controlled by Britain, using their puppets to control many princely states.

Before that it was Mughals. and so on.

So Pakistan was never part of Bharat.
 
Saeed said:
There was no Pakistan before 1947. There was no India either, as Quaid-e-Azam says India is a subcontinent of nationalities. The region India used to consist of Kingdoms and yes the so called Pakistan was part of those Kingdoms.
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Bhai quaid e azam kya kehte hi doesnt matter....i am talking about long back when mughals came to bharat.....it was then called united bhaarat....what britishers named bharat india etc and what they told quaid e azam doesnt matter..britishers kon hote hi....
 
SULTAN said:
Republic of India never existed before Aug 15, 1947.

Before that from 1857-1947, majority of it was controlled by Britain, using their puppets to control many princely states.

Before that it was Mughals. and so on.

So Pakistan was never part of Bharat.
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It was called united bhaarat then....pakistan was also part of it...untip some evil forces called mughals came to some one else land to take it over
 
SULTAN said:
Republic of India never existed before Aug 15, 1947.

Before that from 1857-1947, majority of it was controlled by Britain, using their puppets to control many princely states.

Before that it was Mughals. and so on.

So Pakistan was never part of Bharat.
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Lol, the quintessential identity crisis for Pakistan! Just because you hate your association with India doesnt change history no matter how much you try to distort it, It was India from the time of Indus Valley civilization, not in the single republic form but it was referred as a unique distinct culture of the people from Indus Valley stretching to Ganges delta in the East.

Its kinda ironic that despite sharing the same historical heritage, Pakistanis feel the need to dismiss their very own heritage to validate their present existence!

You guys like us are part of the same history, only separated by 1947, Take pride in it, throught its greatness and even fall from grace, It was important part of world history!
 
akki said:
It was called united bhaarat then....pakistan was also part of it...untip some evil forces called mughals came to some one else land to take it over
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Very silly to call Mughals as evil forces, they invaded yes, but the assimilated and made this country their own, and let it flourish!!

Dont spout RSS/VHP propoganda! To counter dumb views dont post even dumber posts!
 
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I really appreciate action from govt against our army man......i hope and pray kashmir become peacefull state
 
anakin said:
Very retarded to call Mughals as evil forces, they invaded yes, but the assimilated and made this country their own, and let it flourish!!

Dont spout RSS/VHP propoganda! To counter dumb views dont post even dumber posts!
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What is your adress??your family adress???i will come to conquer your land......may be convert you guys too through force or anything.....but after demolishing everything i may develop your side as well.....now dnt be foolish to not let me in...i am asking peacefully...not like forcefully what you are supporting.....if you dnt let me in your house then you are following osama taliban idealogy...
 
akki said:
What is your adress??your family adress???i will come to conquer your land......may be convert you guys too through force or anything.....but after demolishing everything i may develop your side as well.....now dnt be foolish to not let me in...i am asking peacefully...not like forcefully what you are supporting.....if you dnt let me in your house then you are following osama taliban idealogy...
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My address .. Freedom, family address Parents of a free born, free thinker!

A sincere response: You are doing exactly what Mr. Sultan is doing, denying a major part of your history and heritage. Just because it was painful doesnt mean you deny it or dismiss it, those events have shaped and defined our very present.

My simple view,"People who go chasing correcting mistakes of the history, commit the greatest blunders in History"
 
anakin said:
My address .. Freedom, family address Parents of a free born, free thinker!

A sincere response: You are doing exactly what Mr. Sultan is doing, denying a major part of your history and heritage. Just because it was painful doesnt mean you deny it or dismiss it, those events have shaped and defined our very present.

My simple view,"People who go chasing correcting mistakes of the history, commit the greatest blunders in History"
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I am also very much free born thinker...my only religion is humanity....i follow good things from all religions....etc....but like to face truth.....who invited mughals to develop us ???? Did we???? After converting killing half of our population...by taking our land....demolishing our heritage.....you think they came specially to develop us.......big loll at you......i was giving you example by asking your adress that after conquering your land forcefully and demolishing everything and then will try to develop something...and offcourse i will be vry good then and good thing happen to you as well
 
akki said:
India bole toh bharat hindustan long before mughal came to this land....i hope you knowthe history....
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South India was never part of any empire, whether it be Ashoka's or SamudraGupta's.
Plus even Harsha's empire didn't extend beyond Narmada in south.
Parts North east were conquered first time by Akbar and then by Aurangzeb.
So the largest empire was that of Ashoka and it was not beyond Godavari in south, neither it had northeast .
Samudragupta didn't directly rule land outside the north India.

So tell me again what India are you referring to.

BTW rajendra chola and his father raja raja chola did invade Srilanka , Maldives and Malay Peninsula. And if you consider Kaniska as "Indian", then his empire did extend up to Altai Mountains in North.

So saying " India" never indaved any other "country" in its entire history is wrong.
 
Saqib Yousuf Yatoo said:
So saying " India" never indaved any other "country" in its entire history is wrong.
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Very much true, just the jingoism to propagate ourselves as eternal land of peace,

The only point is that modern day Pakistan and India share the same history and heritage, anyone denying that is a fool!!
 
Heritage is made over the years, 2500 years ago probably Dravidian people never identified with their Aryan counterparts and now they do.
 
akki said:
Bhai quaid e azam kya kehte hi doesnt matter....i am talking about long back when mughals came to bharat.....it was then called united bhaarat....what britishers named bharat india etc and what they told quaid e azam doesnt matter..britishers kon hote hi....
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I say it does matter, Land of Pakistan and Bangladesh is proof of that. Who is Britain? Britain shaped your country bro. The Indian sub-continent used to be made of a lot of kingdoms and was never united as it is today. Dhanewaad for your understanding.
 
JaDed said:
Heritage is made over the years, 2500 years ago probably Dravidian people never identified with their Aryan counterparts and now they do.
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Those people are dead. Instead of carrying over their dead legacy, people should start seeing each other as people. It is already happening in Europe, where people who supposedly have nothing in common with refugees are welcoming them with open arms.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Those people are dead. Instead of carrying over their dead legacy, people should start seeing each other as people. It is already happening in Europe, where people who supposedly have nothing in common with refugees are welcoming them with open arms.
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I agree they should but you can't expect everyone to be ok with it if some people are against it they have the right to do so.
 
JaDed said:
I agree they should but you can't expect everyone to be ok with it if some people are against it they have the right to do so.
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Yes, bro, I agree people have the right to see themselves as different from others, but I would still expect that people look for how we are same and not how we are different.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Yes, bro, I agree people have the right to see themselves as different from others, but I would still expect that people look for how we are same and not how we are different.
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Human tendency, formation of India,Pakistan,Bangladesh are classic examples of those thoughts but yes someday it could be better.
 
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