Shaheen Shah Afridi, Naseem Shah and Mohammad Hasnain shouldn't play any T20s besides PSL

[Rellu_Katta]

3 great talent Naseem Shah, Shaeen Shah, M Hussnain...

they should be stopped from playing any type of T20 cricket, apart from PSL

the idea is to preserve them for ODI and Test, mainly tests.

We have Wahab, Harris Rauf, M. Amir , Ruman Raees, Faheem to fill the T20 boots

so we dont need to push these guys (Naseem Shah, Shaeen Shah, M Hussnain).. they should train in NCA, play 4 days cricket given how their body is responding and become the ace Test and ODI bowlers...

With Abbas to the list, we can have an excellent pace attack

obviously PCB needs to come up with some kind of balancing payment structure to compensate them ... maybe a higher bonus package for test players or something ...

 

[emranabbas]

You have an idea I think you should right to PCB

 

[Pakhs]

3 great talent Naseem Shah, Shaeen Shah, M Hussnain...

they should be stopped from playing any type of T20 cricket, apart from PSL

the idea is to preserve them for ODI and Test, mainly tests.

We have Wahab, Harris Rauf, M. Amir , Ruman Raees, Faheem to fill the T20 boots

so we dont need to push these guys (Naseem Shah, Shaeen Shah, M Hussnain).. they should train in NCA, play 4 days cricket given how their body is responding and become the ace Test and ODI bowlers...

With Abbas to the list, we can have an excellent pace attack

obviously PCB needs to come up with some kind of balancing payment structure to compensate them ... maybe a higher bonus package for test players or something ...

At their age how can 4 overs a day make any problem for them?

 

[Mirpur express]

“Great talents” Afridi yes the other 2 have done nothing to be labelled great talent lol , ps pointless thread too

 

[Rellu_Katta]

“Great talents” Afridi yes the other 2 have done nothing to be labelled great talent lol , ps pointless thread too

u obviously havent seen him bowl ... both have pace and control, esp Naseem and he needs to be nurtured not just thrown in the heat and burn....

 

[Rellu_Katta]

At their age how can 4 overs a day make any problem for them?

matters when they play and play and play useless games and matches ... better to give them proper time to gain fitness and polish their skills

 

[Pakhs]

matters when they play and play and play useless games and matches ... better to give them proper time to gain fitness and polish their skills

You should say make them play 4 day cricket during the domestic season. Other than that they should be allowed to bowl for now.

 

[watchman99]

Unfortunately there is more money in T20 than tests

 

[hadi123]

Shaheen definitely has to be part of the World T20 Squad. But yes, we need to manage the workloads well. Can rotate them in bilaterals.

 

[Hawkeye]

Doesn't seem like you're someone who works and earns a living. A student probably?

Because if you were trying to earn, you wouldn't say this. If you do work, then I'd like your company to cut 60% salary starting next month.

Please, start from the home. Do not preach what you don't follow.

I'll ask everyone else here too who comes here supporting this thread, first ask for a pay cut from your employer, and then we can talk. Or shut down your extra income earning activities.

Let's go!

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Doesn't seem like you're someone who works and earns a living. A student probably?

Because if you were trying to earn, you wouldn't say this. If you do work, then I'd like your company to cut 60% salary starting next month.

Please, start from the home. Do not preach what you don't follow.

I'll ask everyone else here too who comes here supporting this thread, first ask for a pay cut from your employer, and then we can talk. Or shut down your extra income earning activities.

Let's go!

not to kick you in the teeth, i run a risk function for a major investment bank, so i am aware of the income side ... hence i put tht PCB should compensate them with stronger bonuses or something similar ... maybe you didnt read the whole thing before commenting

 

[cricketjoshila]

So 18-19 yr olds shouldnot play and develop but be cotton wrapped.

 

[Junaids]

At their age how can 4 overs a day make any problem for them?

The same reason why James Pattinson is about to displace Mitchell Starc from the Australian Ashes team.

Too much white ball cricket trains you to bowl the wrong lines and lengths for Test cricket.

Young players need to master the red ball art of bowling to a slip cordon first, then downgrade to the simpler white ball game.

 

[King-Misbah]

Yes, great idea to omit players from playing in a world cup! Espcially T20 WC that will be watched and appreciated by the masses.

 

[KhanNn]

3 great talent Naseem Shah, Shaeen Shah, M Hussnain...

they should be stopped from playing any type of T20 cricket, apart from PSL

the idea is to preserve them for ODI and Test, mainly tests.

We have Wahab, Harris Rauf, M. Amir , Ruman Raees, Faheem to fill the T20 boots

so we dont need to push these guys (Naseem Shah, Shaeen Shah, M Hussnain).. they should train in NCA, play 4 days cricket given how their body is responding and become the ace Test and ODI bowlers...

With Abbas to the list, we can have an excellent pace attack

obviously PCB needs to come up with some kind of balancing payment structure to compensate them ... maybe a higher bonus package for test players or something ...

The thing is, for them it would be good experience to play on different pitches. They are still learning.

 

[Pakhs]

The same reason why James Pattinson is about to displace Mitchell Starc from the Australian Ashes team.

Too much white ball cricket trains you to bowl the wrong lines and lengths for Test cricket.

Young players need to master the red ball art of bowling to a slip cordon first, then downgrade to the simpler white ball game.

Mitchel Starc has had many good years in test cricket but recently he has struggled for control in tests which you would think is the first requirement for ODI cricket. When he was younger he played all forms of cricket. Yes the preference should be to play first class cricket when possible but they should not be sitting at home either and play any form of cricket possible at this stage.

 

[Mercurial]

Ridiculous idea. I don't believe in pampering youngsters. They should play as much as they can, provided they deserve it. Mohammad Hasnain is overrated. Ordinary bowler. He should first play some domestic cricket, before considering him for International cricket. And as far as Naseem Shah is concerned, he hasn't even played domestic cricket and people over here are hyping him as if he is the next big thing.

 

[Junaids]

Mitchel Starc has had many good years in test cricket but recently he has struggled for control in tests which you would think is the first requirement for ODI cricket. When he was younger he played all forms of cricket. Yes the preference should be to play first class cricket when possible but they should not be sitting at home either and play any form of cricket possible at this stage.

With respect, I completely disagree.

Australia had a suspicious period from February 2016 in Wellington through to March 2018 in South Africa during which time Mitchell Starc obtained extraordinary amounts of swing which enabled him to produce figures similar to what he always has in ODIs. In that time he had a bowling average of 20.

But in the whole of the rest of his career his Test bowling average has been 12 runs worse per wicket, because he has never learned what line and length is required in First Class cricket. Ever.

Red ball cricket is about a different sort of control: five out of every six balls passing within an inch of the top of off-stump.

Starc has never learned how to do this, whereas Hazlewood and Cummins have.

Young pace bowlers need to master red ball cricket first and then transition to the white ball game.

 

[Barragan]

The T20 format is the future and generations to come will boast about how many T20 world cups they've won or who performed well in that format.

Same way, the ODI world cup is spoken about today, over any other Test victory.

 

[JibranAnsari]

naseem shah is so overrated , husnain is still very very raw.

 

[DrSchultz]

The T20 format is the future and generations to come will boast about how many T20 world cups they've won or who performed well in that format.

Same way, the ODI world cup is spoken about today, over any other Test victory.

And who would want to live in such a world.

 

[Pakhs]

With respect, I completely disagree.

Australia had a suspicious period from February 2016 in Wellington through to March 2018 in South Africa during which time Mitchell Starc obtained extraordinary amounts of swing which enabled him to produce figures similar to what he always has in ODIs. In that time he had a bowling average of 20.

But in the whole of the rest of his career his Test bowling average has been 12 runs worse per wicket, because he has never learned what line and length is required in First Class cricket. Ever.

Red ball cricket is about a different sort of control: five out of every six balls passing within an inch of the top of off-stump.

Starc has never learned how to do this, whereas Hazlewood and Cummins have.

Young pace bowlers need to master red ball cricket first and then transition to the white ball game.

Starc has been a GUN test bowler from the start in my opinion and most people opinion. He does struggle for control every know and then and have periods where he struggles as a result. ODI cricket control is minimum now a days which should also help to control the bowl in tests.

Only things is the endurance and patience which you can only learn by playing first class cricket.

 

[Barragan]

And who would want to live in such a world.

I'm sure many must have said the same, when ODI's were taking over from Tests, but everyone lived on and is enjoying the format!

Also, T20 is the only way to grow the game and get the locals interested in cricket.

 

[Pakhs]

naseem shah is so overrated , husnain is still very very raw.

Really I dont even know how he looks like! I dont think he is over rated at all.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

we will have to wait for the PSL for most of the guys here to appreciate how good Naseem Shah is ... i think he is brilliant with pace and bounce and control.. easily above 85mph with good control and ability to bounce people out and bowl those toe crushers ....

 

[Danyaalr01]

At their age how can 4 overs a day make any problem for them?

This is the age when fast bowlers are most injury prone as the body is still growing and developing. They can be prone to stress fractures, especially to the back.

 

[Markhor]

Our cricketers will play even Somalia and Uganda T20 league. Players are entitled to maximise their earnings but PCB must manage workloads.

 

[Pakhs]

This is the age when fast bowlers are most injury prone as the body is still growing and developing. They can be prone to stress fractures, especially to the back.

So bowling 4 overs will give them back fracture but not bowling 20 overs a day?

 

[Pakhs]

we will have to wait for the PSL for most of the guys here to appreciate how good Naseem Shah is ... i think he is brilliant with pace and bounce and control.. easily above 85mph with good control and ability to bounce people out and bowl those toe crushers ....

He will be exposed soon just like Hasan Ali with such short height. Actually he will do well to be even match Hasan Ali.

 

[Mueez]

He will be exposed soon just like Hasan Ali with such short height. Actually he will do well to be even match Hasan Ali.

Naseem is 16.

He will grow that’s not an issue.

 

[Mueez]

naseem shah is so overrated , husnain is still very very raw.

Naseem looks very promising.

Let me remember you he is only 16 and is hitting 145 kph if not 155 kph for sure.

 

[Pakhs]

Naseem is 16.

He will grow that’s not an issue.

I havent seen many men grow much more after the age of 16 (atleast 17 unofficially).

 

[Xoib]

He will be exposed soon just like Hasan Ali with such short height. Actually he will do well to be even match Hasan Ali.

He is at least amir height

 

[Pakhs]

He is at least amir height

There is no way of knowing his exact height until he players international cricket as local sources are always unreliable and over exaggerated. But he looks no more than 5'9 currently.

 

[Abdullah719]

There is no way of knowing his exact height until he players international cricket as local sources are always unreliable and over exaggerated. But he looks no more than 5'9 currently.

He is 5'10 and 18 years old.

 

[Pakhs]

He is 5'10 and 18 years old.

5'10 so in reality max 5'9 and already 18 so not likely to grow any further sorry but unless you are malcom marshal that height is too short for great fast bowlers might just be someone who plays a year or two etc. His best potential will be Hasan Ali.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

too many people commenting abt height when Bummrah, Shami, Aamir, Waqar, Shoaib, Imran , vaas, and many more werent too tall .... not saying height isnt necessary, its just not the only factor ...

 

[Xoib]

There is no way of knowing his exact height until he players international cricket as local sources are always unreliable and over exaggerated. But he looks no more than 5'9 currently.

There is a YouTube video which is an accumulation of his various clips and he is standing next to Amir and looks the same height and Amir is 5-11. In the same video he is standing with danny Morrison and Damian Martyn and he seems to be taller then Morrision and equal to Martyn. If I have to make an estimate I think he could be anywhere between 5-9 to 5-11 which makes him much bigger then Hassan Ali who is 5-7 officialy

 

[Madheadwayfarer]

We’ve got talent. Amazing talent but we exploit them, keep them waiting for idk what reason. Shaheen should be in T20 squad, Hasnain needs time and training. His action needs a little help and he gets frustrated really bad after he gets hit. Too raw rn for Hasnain.

 

[moghul]

I agree, you become a defensive bowler at young age if addicted to T20 ar early age, you pick up bad habit. If a young and raw bowler wants to improve his fast bowling skill, should play more FC games and not T20.

 

[sindhiboy]

There is a YouTube video which is an accumulation of his various clips and he is standing next to Amir and looks the same height and Amir is 5-11. In the same video he is standing with danny Morrison and Damian Martyn and he seems to be taller then Morrision and equal to Martyn. If I have to make an estimate I think he could be anywhere between 5-9 to 5-11 which makes him much bigger then Hassan Ali who is 5-7 officialy

Do you mean mohammad amir? mohammad amir is 6'2 not 5'11. then that means he is 6'2.

 

[sindhiboy]

I havent seen many men grow much more after the age of 16 (atleast 17 unofficially).

I hear that alot, but in my experience, I know many boys who had quite big growth spurts after 15-16. many boys, especially desis, do not reach their potential height due to bad diet and a lack of proper exercises.

a 16 year old can still grow more than expected if he does the right things

 

[Hasan123]

PSL should be the only T20s they play for their early years. T20s will never teach you much about cricket. Unfortunately our players love playing in any league going.

 

[sindhiboy]

There is no way of knowing his exact height until he players international cricket as local sources are always unreliable and over exaggerated. But he looks no more than 5'9 currently.

do not trust what you see on screen.

everybody thinks lockie feurguson is a tiny little speedster, like hasan ali. but the guy is 6'1, which is not short at all

 

[Abdullah719]

Do you mean mohammad amir? mohammad amir is 6'2 not 5'11. then that means he is 6'2.

He is between 5'10 and 6 ft tall, not 6'2 for sure.

 

[Pakhs]

There is a YouTube video which is an accumulation of his various clips and he is standing next to Amir and looks the same height and Amir is 5-11. In the same video he is standing with danny Morrison and Damian Martyn and he seems to be taller then Morrision and equal to Martyn. If I have to make an estimate I think he could be anywhere between 5-9 to 5-11 which makes him much bigger then Hassan Ali who is 5-7 officialy

He look really small probably a fraction taller than Hasan Ali who has definitely been found about because of his height.

 

[Pakhs]

I hear that alot, but in my experience, I know many boys who had quite big growth spurts after 15-16. many boys, especially desis, do not reach their potential height due to bad diet and a lack of proper exercises.

a 16 year old can still grow more than expected if he does the right things

do not trust what you see on screen.

everybody thinks lockie feurguson is a tiny little speedster, like hasan ali. but the guy is 6'1, which is not short at all

We will have to wait and see but he is definitely no more than 5'8-9 at the moment which is not promising for fast bowler.

 

[moghul]

Do you mean mohammad amir? mohammad amir is 6'2 not 5'11. then that means he is 6'2.

Amir 6'2 ? you must be a very generous person giving 3 extra inches to Amir.

 

[sindhiboy]

Amir 6'2 ? you must be a very generous person giving 3 extra inches to Amir.

asif is 6'4(now you cant deny that, the guy is lanky and definitely looks 6'4).

amir standing next to asif looks just a few inches shorter

why else would amir's official height be listed as 6'2? dont know why everyone is in complete denial of his height

 

[Xoib]

He look really small probably a fraction taller than Hasan Ali who has definitely been found about because of his height.

Maybe he has small legs that makes him looks shorter on screen so best is to judge him when he is standing next to others hence I actually looked for videos online where he is standing next to known cricketers I believe he is more in the 5-10 range then 5-8 based on the clips I have seen

 

[Xoib]

asif is 6'4(now you cant deny that, the guy is lanky and definitely looks 6'4).

amir standing next to asif looks just a few inches shorter

why else would amir's official height be listed as 6'2? dont know why everyone is in complete denial of his height

Asif is 6-2 Amir is 5-11

 

[Pakhs]

Maybe he has small legs that makes him looks shorter on screen so best is to judge him when he is standing next to others hence I actually looked for videos online where he is standing next to known cricketers I believe he is more in the 5-10 range then 5-8 based on the clips I have seen

Really most great fast bowlers have to be atleast 5'11 and above ideally over 6 foot. So I dont understand the hype.

 

[sindhiboy]

Asif is 6-2 Amir is 5-11

then google and wikipedia have a habit of adding 2 extra inches of height to cricketers

that would make jason holder+carlos brathwaiter 6'6. starc 6'3

imran khan 6'0 and wasim akram 6'2

 

[Xoib]

Really most great fast bowlers have to be atleast 5'11 and above ideally over 6 foot. So I dont understand the hype.

Its also stupid to downgrade a fast bowler just based on height. The greatest fast bowler of this decade Dale Steyn is 5 feet 10 so was Malcom Marshall who is arguably the greatest off all time. Height is not the only factor that decides how good a bowler one is. There is a chance that Naseem will not succeed but short height will not be the main reason for that to happen. Hasan downfall has little to do with his height and is more due to the fact he has stopped getting the ball to come back in sharply of the pitch and also his length and especially line has gone haywire

 

[Pakhs]

Its also stupid to downgrade a fast bowler just based on height. The greatest fast bowler of this decade Dale Steyn is 5 feet 10 so was Malcom Marshall who is arguably the greatest off all time. Height is not the only factor that decides how good a bowler one is. There is a chance that Naseem will not succeed but short height will not be the main reason for that to happen. Hasan downfall has little to do with his height and is more due to the fact he has stopped getting the ball to come back in sharply of the pitch and also his length and especially line has gone haywire

Dayle steyn bowled over 145kphs even in test on most days. Marhsal was even quicker. But for most people his pace you have to be over 5'11 minimum. Hasan Ali has been found out because he is too small and if he is not pin point accurate he struggles. Height gives you margin for error case in point shaheen shah who is also not accurate but still gets some wickets off wide deliveries because of steep bounce.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

none of the pakistani greats were tall tall... maybe wasim was the tallest at 6'2... rest were below 6 .... Imran, waqar, Fazal, all were below 6 or just 6 .... Aamir is no where near 6 .. come on ...

 

[sindhiboy]

none of the pakistani greats were tall tall... maybe wasim was the tallest at 6'2... rest were below 6 .... Imran, waqar, Fazal, all were below 6 or just 6 .... Aamir is no where near 6 .. come on ...

why would google and wikipedia give inaccurate heights for every cricketer? amir is 6'2

imran khan is the most famous cricketer in the world, they would not get his height wrong. imran khan is 6'2

waqar younis is 6 foot. shoaib akthar is also listed as 6 ft,

wasim akram is 6'3 almost reaching 6'4

 

[sindhiboy]

looks like someone from pp needs to confirm their heights and open a seperate thread regarding this topic. for some reason everyone is deducting 2-3 inches from every cricketer's height

 

[Abdullah719]

why would google and wikipedia give inaccurate heights for every cricketer? amir is 6'2

imran khan is the most famous cricketer in the world, they would not get his height wrong. imran khan is 6'2

waqar younis is 6 foot. shoaib akthar is also listed as 6 ft,

wasim akram is 6'3 almost reaching 6'4

A lot of the heights listed on Google are quite bizarre, it's not really a good source for checking heights.

I can assure you that Amir is no more than 5'11 or 6ft at best.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

why would google and wikipedia give inaccurate heights for every cricketer? amir is 6'2

imran khan is the most famous cricketer in the world, they would not get his height wrong. imran khan is 6'2

waqar younis is 6 foot. shoaib akthar is also listed as 6 ft,

wasim akram is 6'3 almost reaching 6'4

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dude i am 6'0 ... tested many a times .... and aamir is shorter than me ... i have met aamir .. seen him live many many many a times in last 3 years... 3 champions trophy games Ind,SL,Eng(he didnt play), INd. then saw him at lords test then at the CWC vs WI, Eng, Aus, NZ, Bang, Afg... trust me he isnt 6'2 ...

 

[Abdullah719]

looks like someone from pp needs to confirm their heights and open a seperate thread regarding this topic. for some reason everyone is deducting 2-3 inches from every cricketer's height

Good point, this thread is going off track a bit....

We already have a thread, please continue the discussion here: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?115858

 

[Rellu_Katta]

A lot of the heights listed on Google are quite bizarre, it's not really a good source for checking heights.

I can assure you that Amir is no more than 5'11 or 6ft at best.

seen him play live a lot recently ... he isnt 6

 

[Abdullah719]

seen him play live a lot recently ... he isnt 6

Yeah I wasn't sure, so I said between 5'10 to 6ft. Probably closer to 5'10 or 11.

 

[Abdullah719]

Can reasonably see the heights in this image. Arshad is the tallest despite not standing straight while Hasnain at 6'1 is a good 2-3 inches taller than Naseem. Musa is probably around 5'9ish.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Yeah I wasn't sure, so I said between 5'10 to 6ft. Probably closer to 5'10 or 11.

correct... looks like heights are turning out to be Shahid afridiz age lol ...

 

[Xoib]

Can reasonably see the heights in this image. Arshad is the tallest despite not standing straight while Hasnain at 6'1 is a good 2-3 inches taller than Naseem. Musa is probably around 5'9ish.

Finally a good post. Hasnain is definetley 6-1 or 6-2, based on this pic Naseem looks what I suspected 5-10 and he is fair bit taller then Musa who is Hassan Ali height 5-8.

 

[Xoib]

leaving height aside Musa is built like a tank

Once Naseem bulks up he will look bigger hopefully he does go Amir's way with the scrawny look.

 

[Xoib]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dStYq3huj4

This is another good video here he is standing with Amir and looks similar height . Also there is an image with Danny Morrison and Damian Martyn where he looks taller then Morrison and equal to Martyn who is listed as 6 feet.

There is an image with Inzi where he looks much shorter but by looking at his face he seems much younger and there is a chance that it is much older image and he has grown few inches since.

 

[sweep_shot]

T20 leagues give better money than Tests. I doubt any good pacer would give up playing in T20 leagues. It is just not practical.

 

[Danyaalr01]

So bowling 4 overs will give them back fracture but not bowling 20 overs a day?

I didn't say that. Please read my post again. I meant they don't need to put unnecessary stress on their bodies, t20 leagues and t20Is aren't important, whereas first class cricket is important.

 

[Pakhs]

I didn't say that. Please read my post again. I meant they don't need to put unnecessary stress on their bodies, t20 leagues and t20Is aren't important, whereas first class cricket is important.

Please stay in real world with your comments, They have to play T20s to make the money and also cricketers actually love it as its easier to just bowl 4 overs a day.

 

[hashimafzal]

I didn't say that. Please read my post again. I meant they don't need to put unnecessary stress on their bodies, t20 leagues and t20Is aren't important, whereas first class cricket is important.

How can you say what is/isn't important? Is making money to support your family not important? The lifespan of a fast bowler is already short and if they wish to use that window to maximize their earnings I don't understand why anyone should take an issue with it.

 

[moghul]

leaving height aside Musa is built like a tank

Once Naseem bulks up he will look bigger hopefully he does go Amir's way with the scrawny look.

Tank or cannon, he can spread but cannot gain height. Musa's only realistic chance of becoming a useful cricketer to have some career is by improving his batting and fielding greatly and become useful member of a T20 team. He should follow the footsteps of another excellent but a short fast bowling allrounder from Rawalpidi, Yaser Arfat. He was very very good bowler and useful batsmen, played all over the globe in T20 leagues but could not establish himself at International level.