Shaheens thrashed by club cricketers in the Top End T20 Tourament – what does it say about Pakistan’s future?

[Asad T]

Perth Scorchers just beat Pakistan Shaheens by 48 runs in the semi-final of the Top End T20 Tournament.

This Scorchers side had only one international player, Matthew Spoors – who didn’t even play for Australia, but for CANADA (5 ODIs, 10 T20Is). The rest of the Scorchers side are mostly fringe or unknown names.

Let’s just compare the experience on paper.

Perth Scorchers (semi-final XI)
Sam Fanning: 4 T20s
Teague Wyllie: No Cricinfo record
Joel Curtis: No Cricinfo record
Baxter Holt: 12 T20s
Keaton Critchell: No Cricinfo record
Matthew Spoors: 15 T20s (10 T20Is)
Nicholas Hobson: 39 T20s
Matthew Kelly: 42 T20s
Alberth Esterhuysen: No Cricinfo record
Bryce Jackson: No Cricinfo record
Corey Rocchiccioli: 5 T20s
Total: 117 T20s + 10 T20Is

Pakistan Shaheens
Yasir Khan: 46 T20s
Maaz Sadaqat: 20 T20s
Khawaja Nafay: 32 T20s
Abdul Samad: 27 T20s (5 T20Is)
Irfan Khan: 58 T20s (14 T20Is)
Ghazi Ghori: 9 T20s
Mubasir Khan: 53 T20s
Saad Masood: 17 T20s
Mehran Mumtaz: 28 T20s
Mohammad Wasim Jr: 99 T20s (29 T20Is)
Faisal Akram: 23 T20s (3 ODIs)
Total: 350 T20s + 51 internationals

To put that in perspective: Wasim Jr + Faisal Akram alone have as much T20 experience as the entire Perth XI combined. On top of that, many of the Shaheens are well-known PSL performers, already established names in Pakistan’s domestic and franchise cricket.

And yet… they were outplayed. Not once, but twice. They lost earlier to the Scorchers as well (by 2 wickets). And if you thought that was an off day, then look at their hammering against the Chicago Kingsmen – beaten by 69 runs.

So what does this say?

Yes, the Shaheens made it to the semis, and yes, there were some strong individual performances. But zoom out and it’s worrying. The next generation is failing to dominate against players who are not even first-class names in Australia.

The Aussies are churning out quality talent from their academies and grade cricket system, so good that their second or third-string sides can take on PSL-level players.

Meanwhile, Pakistan’s “next in line” – players tipped to graduate to the national side – look undercooked, inconsistent, and unable to step up.

This isn’t about “does Pakistan have talent?” – of course it does. The raw ability is there. The real issue is our failure to nurture, polish and prepare players for modern cricket.

When a group of mostly unknown Australians with 117 games of T20 experience can thrash a Pakistan side boasting 350+ games and 50 internationals, the gap is not in talent – it’s in development, systems, and professionalism.

This tour only underlines what many of us already feel: Pakistan is getting left behind. Our players should have walked this tournament, yet they looked second best against club and academy cricketers. That’s the bigger story here – and it should worry anyone who cares about the future of Pakistan cricket.

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

No future.

USA/UAE with their IPL funded leagues and first world economies will surpass Pakistan.

In fact many Pakistan players might go and play there. Brain drain already happens in other fields. Why not here?

UAE/USA cricket will have more money in a decade and then it won't be just the B-listers emigrating.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This future was produced many years ago not today. It didn't just come about as a result of the performance of these guys.

It will take time to rebuild, but it is possible.

 

[Shaka81]

Don't worry your resident posters will be here soon to tell you that all is fine. It's a new era and results don't matter only intent. So continues the decline of any successful cricket in Pakistan.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan smashed the team in the semis earlier on. They beat Bang A and Nepal first team.

I think this was a good tour for them. Plenty of players emerging who can be drafted into the first team

They need more matches, they will get better.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Barely managed a 1-run win vs Nepal. A couple of players showed their potential though but Pakistan Cricket as a whole is struggling.

 

[Rana]

Barely managed a 1-run win vs Nepal. A couple of players showed their potential though but Pakistan Cricket as a whole is struggling.

Nepal are decent for this level. They have 2-3 good spinners

Pakistan had a poor game against them with the bat but they bowled excellently to win that game.

 

[Rana]

I think it makes sense to heavily criticise your A team if you lose 75% of your matches at this level. This wasn’t the case. Pakistan had beaten both finalists. They didn’t show up in an important Semi and that’s unfortunate.

I would always take the glass half full approach. This team isn’t looking to completely overthrow the current T20 side. Some good players/performers from here can be drafted into the first team.

Khwaja Nafay can be looked at as a replacement for Harris if needed

Abdul Samad showing he can build an innings from the middle

Irfan Niazi also showing great composure and nerve against Nepal to put a score on the board for his side

Faisal Akram looking ready to take over from either Sufyan or Abrar as the key spinner


This is what you basically look for in these tournaments.

 

[Usman Chadda]

No future.

USA/UAE with their IPL funded leagues and first world economies will surpass Pakistan.

In fact many Pakistan players might go and play there. Brain drain already happens in other fields. Why not here?

UAE/USA cricket will have more money in a decade and then it won't be just the B-listers emigrating.

Your India A side got thrashed by Afghanistan A in last year’s T20 Emerging Cup. Your U19 side has got beat by Pakistan U19 multiple times over the past couple of years.

So uh, no future?

 

[Usman Chadda]

I think it makes sense to heavily criticise your A team if you lose 75% of your matches at this level. This wasn’t the case. Pakistan had beaten both finalists. They didn’t show up in an important Semi and that’s unfortunate.

I would always take the glass half full approach. This team isn’t looking to completely overthrow the current T20 side. Some good players/performers from here can be drafted into the first team.

Khwaja Nafay can be looked at as a replacement for Harris if needed

Abdul Samad showing he can build an innings from the middle

Irfan Niazi also showing great composure and nerve against Nepal to put a score on the board for his side

Faisal Akram looking ready to take over from either Sufyan or Abrar as the key spinner


This is what you basically look for in these tournaments.

Faisal Akram and Mehran Mumtaz. Only two who were decent and can play for Pakistan, atleast on the basis of this showing.

Rest are rubbish, no way should you lose to a bunch of kids from Australia like this.

 

[Rana]

Faisal Akram and Mehran Mumtaz. Only two who were decent and can play for Pakistan, atleast on the basis of this showing.

Rest are rubbish, no way should you lose to a bunch of kids from Australia like this.

Mehran Mumtaz has attitude issues. The guy can easily tick off some captain or coach.

 

[sweep_shot]

It is T20. A very volatile format. Any team can win.

This is the format where UAE beat NZ, Zimbabwe beat Ricky Ponting's Australia, Uganda beat Zimbabwe, Namibia beat SL, Netherlands beat England etc.

I think they got good practices in Aussie conditions.

 

[shariqnoor]

Anyone who looks at things objectively and without bias can assess in 2 seconds as to what is the future of Pakistan cricket.
This decline has not come suddenly. It has been manufactured over a period of 15 years. First-class cricket was systematically dismantled in favor of T20. The idea of producing another Wasim Akram or Inzamam-ul-Haq now feels like fantasy. The situation is so dire that even a second coming of an Umar Gul or Mohammad Hafeez would be considered a major upgrade. That's how far Pakistan cricket has fallen.

My suggestions to improve Pakistan cricket:

1. Fix the economy: There is no substitute to this. A long-term step but a non-negotiable. No sport can thrive in a country with a stagnant economy. Pakistan hockey died not because there was a dearth of talent but because there was no money in the game. Hockey to this day remains an amateur sport, devoid of sponsorships, and the PHF couldn't fund its survival. Cricket has only survived because there was private money and sponsorships. The few players that we still get are a result of these private sponsorships. Haris Rauf is not a world beater by any stretch but for a team like Pakistan, he's still ok because there is no one to take his place. And even he was discovered through LQ's talent hunt, not through any systematic pipeline. If the economy doesn't improve, cricket will continue to sink. More humiliating defeats, perhaps even to teams like UAE, are not out of the question. Sustainable investment in sport requires national economic growth. Without it, the decline will deepen.

2. Focus on 4-Day cricket: This is the medium-term step that Pakistan should take on a war footing basis. Reduce T20 cricket to just the PSL and have players play 4-day cricket and 50 over cricket instead. There is no other alternative to build skills than 4-Day cricket. I think Faisal Akram is a decent bowler, but if for the next 4 years he plays T20 cricket more than 4-day cricket, he will end up rubbish. T20 bowling is inherently defensive. It teaches containment, not creativity. In contrast, 4-day cricket forces bowlers to think, strategize, and attack. In T20, 4 overs for 8 runs is a terrific spell. In 4-day cricket 25 overs for 50 runs with 0 wickets is rubbish as no one would bat an eye towards your figures. Similarly, 4-day cricket builds patience and shot selection for batsmen, which ironically will make them better shorter format players too.

3. Skills Development: This is the short-term step that one can take. You have to take a bunch of players and have a bootcamp of skills development. Have them mimic match situations to build match awareness. Have them hit shots that they are not comfortable with. Currently, I have not seen many Pakistani batsmen play the ramp shot to yorkers. Jason Holder toyed with Pakistani batsmen in the recent series with fullish deliveries because he knew nobody would ramp him. If players knew how to do that, Holder would've become innocuous with his dibbly-dobbly pace, bowling slot balls. I once heard Saqlain on TV saying that Miandad used to make batsmen practice hitting shots starting from third man all the way to fine leg, completing a circle. Find a pool of players (15-20) and drill some skills into them so that they become part of muscle memory.

4. Stop picking players on the basis of 1 performance: Recently we have seen that literally 1 performance is all you need to become part of the Pakistan team or Pakistan Shaheens. Can anybody explain how Ahmed Daniyal got into the Pakistan team? This approach not only disrespects the domestic system, it damages the players themselves. Thrust into international cricket without proper grounding, they often freeze under pressure, their confidence shattered. The majority of the playing XI should consist of seasoned domestic performers, those who’ve toiled for 5+ years. Yes, generational talents can be fast-tracked, but they are the exception, not the rule. PCB’s current selection model has turned domestic cricket into a mere formality.

Pakistan cricket is suffering from a lack of direction, which has actually also resulted in a lack of talent. The recent defeats to club-level sides in the Top End T20 Tournament are not isolated embarrassments, they are symptoms of a deeper malaise. When a team with over 350 T20 matches and 50 internationals is outplayed by fringe Australian players with barely a hundred games between them, the issue isn’t just skill, it’s structure. This is what happens when a system prioritizes spectacle over substance and shortcuts over development. The complete dismantling of first-class cricket, the obsession with instant stardom, and the absence of rigorous skill-building have created a generation of players who are technically undercooked and mentally unprepared. If Pakistan cricket is to rise again, it must stop chasing glamor and start investing in doing the donkey work, the kind of work that produces greatness over time. That means economic reform, domestic integrity, and a cultural shift toward patience and professionalism. Otherwise, the decline won’t just continue, it will become irreversible.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Nepal are decent for this level. They have 2-3 good spinners

Pakistan had a poor game against them with the bat but they bowled excellently to win that game.

Yeah. Thanks to Faisal Akram. It shows he has a potential to be called a match winner.

 

[Mesozoic]

Your India A side got thrashed by Afghanistan A in last year’s T20 Emerging Cup. Your U19 side has got beat by Pakistan U19 multiple times over the past couple of years.

So uh, no future?

India U19 have played each and every WC final since 2014, winning twice. Losing to Afghanistan and Pakistan A sides is not the same as losing to BBL second XIs. Sit down .

 

[sweep_shot]

India U19 have played each and every WC final since 2014, winning twice. Losing to Afghanistan and Pakistan A sides is not the same as losing to BBL second XIs. Sit down .

Are you aware T20 and ODI are not the same?

You are mixing up formats.

Don't get too excited.

 

[Mesozoic]

Leave India aside..

Even the likes of Bangladesh and Afghanistan have been producing better talent than Pakistan in the recent years. It's actually pathetic that a 200 million cricket crazy country like Pakistan can't produce a single youth world cup winning team (despite of the claims of "both tailunt") since god knows how long.

 

[Mesozoic]

Are you aware T20 and ODI are not the same?

You are mixing up formats.

Don't get too excited.

Im not a Bangladeshi to get excited prematurely.

Just stating facts. India even won an Asia Cup Gold medal in the T20 format whole Pakistan returned with not even a bronze.

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan has becomes Minnows team. Sooner Pakistani fan's accept it better for them .

 

[jnaveen1980]

Unless they focus on building a good long format team they will get worse and worse. Building a T20 unit is no big deal. Literally anyone can assemble a bunch of hacks who can bat for few overs.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Im not a Bangladeshi to get excited prematurely.

Just stating facts. India even won an Asia Cup Gold medal in the T20 format whole Pakistan returned with not even a bronze.

This guy has become so desperate that he's misinterpreting everything you say. He didn't even check if you were responding to Usman, who brought up the U19 results. some people need to understand their standards

 

[RyanRyan10]

Pak A did not have a stellar tournament, but it wasn't as poor as some are portraying. These teams included players who also played in the BBL. Some are pointing out that Pakistan only narrowly defeated Nepal, but the same Nepal team also gave South Africa a scare in last year's T20 World Cup. Some fans just want to make certain players look good and want to project that Pakistan will decline to the level of PNG or Uganda without them. Pak has plenty of positives from this tournament if you have observed things closely.

 

[Bewal Express]

It takes years to build a good, consistent, FC system and although not perfect, we had the start of the system that IK had advocated for decades. For a start the cricket was competitive and with the tweaking of the wickets( more sporty) we had now started to see the 1st fruits.


In the bigger scheme of things, our bowling is shockingly poor in all 3 formats. The test team relies on pacers with little pace and even less skill and a spinner older than Don Bradman , and if M Nawaz and Faheem are playing you know the ODI bowling is also very poor and T20 bowling is just as bad.

 

[Markhor]

Anyone who looks at things objectively and without bias can assess in 2 seconds as to what is the future of Pakistan cricket.
This decline has not come suddenly. It has been manufactured over a period of 15 years. First-class cricket was systematically dismantled in favor of T20. The idea of producing another Wasim Akram or Inzamam-ul-Haq now feels like fantasy. The situation is so dire that even a second coming of an Umar Gul or Mohammad Hafeez would be considered a major upgrade. That's how far Pakistan cricket has fallen.

My suggestions to improve Pakistan cricket:

1. Fix the economy: There is no substitute to this. A long-term step but a non-negotiable. No sport can thrive in a country with a stagnant economy. Pakistan hockey died not because there was a dearth of talent but because there was no money in the game. Hockey to this day remains an amateur sport, devoid of sponsorships, and the PHF couldn't fund its survival. Cricket has only survived because there was private money and sponsorships. The few players that we still get are a result of these private sponsorships. Haris Rauf is not a world beater by any stretch but for a team like Pakistan, he's still ok because there is no one to take his place. And even he was discovered through LQ's talent hunt, not through any systematic pipeline. If the economy doesn't improve, cricket will continue to sink. More humiliating defeats, perhaps even to teams like UAE, are not out of the question. Sustainable investment in sport requires national economic growth. Without it, the decline will deepen.

2. Focus on 4-Day cricket: This is the medium-term step that Pakistan should take on a war footing basis. Reduce T20 cricket to just the PSL and have players play 4-day cricket and 50 over cricket instead. There is no other alternative to build skills than 4-Day cricket. I think Faisal Akram is a decent bowler, but if for the next 4 years he plays T20 cricket more than 4-day cricket, he will end up rubbish. T20 bowling is inherently defensive. It teaches containment, not creativity. In contrast, 4-day cricket forces bowlers to think, strategize, and attack. In T20, 4 overs for 8 runs is a terrific spell. In 4-day cricket 25 overs for 50 runs with 0 wickets is rubbish as no one would bat an eye towards your figures. Similarly, 4-day cricket builds patience and shot selection for batsmen, which ironically will make them better shorter format players too.

3. Skills Development: This is the short-term step that one can take. You have to take a bunch of players and have a bootcamp of skills development. Have them mimic match situations to build match awareness. Have them hit shots that they are not comfortable with. Currently, I have not seen many Pakistani batsmen play the ramp shot to yorkers. Jason Holder toyed with Pakistani batsmen in the recent series with fullish deliveries because he knew nobody would ramp him. If players knew how to do that, Holder would've become innocuous with his dibbly-dobbly pace, bowling slot balls. I once heard Saqlain on TV saying that Miandad used to make batsmen practice hitting shots starting from third man all the way to fine leg, completing a circle. Find a pool of players (15-20) and drill some skills into them so that they become part of muscle memory.

4. Stop picking players on the basis of 1 performance: Recently we have seen that literally 1 performance is all you need to become part of the Pakistan team or Pakistan Shaheens. Can anybody explain how Ahmed Daniyal got into the Pakistan team? This approach not only disrespects the domestic system, it damages the players themselves. Thrust into international cricket without proper grounding, they often freeze under pressure, their confidence shattered. The majority of the playing XI should consist of seasoned domestic performers, those who’ve toiled for 5+ years. Yes, generational talents can be fast-tracked, but they are the exception, not the rule. PCB’s current selection model has turned domestic cricket into a mere formality.

Pakistan cricket is suffering from a lack of direction, which has actually also resulted in a lack of talent. The recent defeats to club-level sides in the Top End T20 Tournament are not isolated embarrassments, they are symptoms of a deeper malaise. When a team with over 350 T20 matches and 50 internationals is outplayed by fringe Australian players with barely a hundred games between them, the issue isn’t just skill, it’s structure. This is what happens when a system prioritizes spectacle over substance and shortcuts over development. The complete dismantling of first-class cricket, the obsession with instant stardom, and the absence of rigorous skill-building have created a generation of players who are technically undercooked and mentally unprepared. If Pakistan cricket is to rise again, it must stop chasing glamor and start investing in doing the donkey work, the kind of work that produces greatness over time. That means economic reform, domestic integrity, and a cultural shift toward patience and professionalism. Otherwise, the decline won’t just continue, it will become irreversible.

Superb post, agree with each point. Piggybacking on two things:

1) The economic malaise is one reason why Pakistan's broadcast revenues are pathetically minute compared to its market size. Our last home international broadcast deal sold for about half of PCB's initial valuation. Obviously the value depreciates further without bilateral cricket with India, but our commercial networks do not, or cannot, invest anywhere near the sums of money that Star, Sky, Foxtel etc have done in the Big Three nations - despite Pakistan being the second largest cricketing market. The bidding process lacks genuine competition, and PTV's stranglehold over sports broadcasting for years has hurt the growth of the private networks as explained in a great article in 2019 called Lost in Transmission.

This cannot change without economic reform which ties in with political and regulatory reform - the prospects of which are remote meaning accepting Pakistan cricket is doomed to terminal decline.

2) Nowhere in the world is domestic cricket as haphazardly and ineptly run as Pakistan. Last year, the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy was due to begin October 20th. It began, without any explanation for the delay, on October 26th. There were teams in that tournament with batting lineups so inexperienced it's an insult to describe it as First Class Cricket. FATA literally fielded a top 5 with a combined total of 14 FC caps. It's a pipedream to expect youngsters to bridge the gulf between domestic and international competition when they play such substandard levels of cricket.

One year we implement an Australian-style 6 team system with the buzzword of quality. Another year we veer to the other extreme and field 18 teams for the sake of inclusion.

Regardless of one's views on the merits of regional vs departmental cricket, we had three parallel systems last year - regional, departmental and Champions. The latter has been ditched after one season and much expense on the mentors whose job descriptions are no clearer than the day they were announced. This is what happens when gimmickry and PR is viewed as a substitute for meaningful reform.

I'd also add that given our diabolical record overseas, it's criminal negligence that PCB doesn't organise more red-ball A team tours especially in Australia, South Africa and New Zealand. If even cash strapped Cricket West Indies could arrange a three "Test" A tour of South Africa in Nov 2023 (which uncovered Shamar Joseph to spectacular results two months later in Brisbane), what's our excuse ?

 

[Usman Chadda]

India U19 have played each and every WC final since 2014, winning twice. Losing to Afghanistan and Pakistan A sides is not the same as losing to BBL second XIs. Sit down .

Losing to the next generation of talent from a country with 'no future' as the original poster pointed out, should be shameful to say the least.

So is losing to Afghanistan A, who have barely have a good domestic structure.

India is doing well but to belittle the opposition's 'future' when your own have been losing to teams 'beneath your level' doesn't make for great optics.

 

[Bewal Express]

Superb post, agree with each point. Piggybacking on two things:

1) The economic malaise is one reason why Pakistan's broadcast revenues are pathetically minute compared to its market size. Our last home international broadcast deal sold for about half of PCB's initial valuation. Obviously the value depreciates further without bilateral cricket with India, but our commercial networks do not, or cannot, invest anywhere near the sums of money that Star, Sky, Foxtel etc have done in the Big Three nations - despite Pakistan being the second largest cricketing market. The bidding process lacks genuine competition, and PTV's stranglehold over sports broadcasting for years has hurt the growth of the private networks as explained in a great article in 2019 called Lost in Transmission.

This cannot change without economic reform which ties in with political and regulatory reform - the prospects of which are remote meaning accepting Pakistan cricket is doomed to terminal decline.

2) Nowhere in the world is domestic cricket as haphazardly and ineptly run as Pakistan. Last year, the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy was due to begin October 20th. It began, without any explanation for the delay, on October 26th. There were teams in that tournament with batting lineups so inexperienced it's an insult to describe it as First Class Cricket. FATA literally fielded a top 5 with a combined total of 14 FC caps. It's a pipedream to expect youngsters to bridge the gulf between domestic and international competition when they play such substandard levels of cricket.

One year we implement an Australian-style 6 team system with the buzzword of quality. Another year we veer to the other extreme and field 18 teams for the sake of inclusion.

Regardless of one's views on the merits of regional vs departmental cricket, we had three parallel systems last year - regional, departmental and Champions. The latter has been ditched after one season and much expense on the mentors whose job descriptions are no clearer than the day they were announced. This is what happens when gimmickry and PR is viewed as a substitute for meaningful reform.

I'd also add that given our diabolical record overseas, it's criminal negligence that PCB doesn't organise more red-ball A team tours especially in Australia, South Africa and New Zealand. If even cash strapped Cricket West Indies could arrange a three "Test" A tour of South Africa in Nov 2023 (which uncovered Shamar Joseph to spectacular results two months later in Brisbane), what's our excuse ?

The mentor thing was expensive folly done by idiots for PR purposes. The coaches dont care( as there is no accountability)and just see it as money for old rope. Our FC should have around 14 FC games, small squads around 15 and the players should be paid properly, cricket is played on good wickets and in good weather. The talent will start to come through

 

[shariqnoor]

With all its shortcomings, our domestic structure in the 90s was eons better than the current one. If we even had let that system continue we would've still been better off than today. I remember checking out Karachi Whites scorecards in the 90s as a supporter and laughing at Karachi Blues lineups. That Karachi Blues lineup who looked like jokes back then would smash our players today. Salahuddin "Sallu" used to be Karachi region selector and under his selection, Karachi was a perennial regional champion. We have destroyed our structure ourselves. It's such a shame.

 

[shariqnoor]

The mentor thing was expensive folly done by idiots for PR purposes. The coaches dont care( as there is no accountability)and just see it as money for old rope. Our FC should have around 14 FC games, small squads around 15 and the players should be paid properly, cricket is played on good wickets and in good weather. The talent will start to come through

True but talent pool also needs to be increased in order to get some talent. School cricket and club cricket is the bedrock of any talent development. Both have been finished. Need to revive that first.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

With all its shortcomings, our domestic structure in the 90s was eons better than the current one. If we even had let that system continue we would've still been better off than today. I remember checking out Karachi Whites scorecards in the 90s as a supporter and laughing at Karachi Blues lineups. That Karachi Blues lineup who looked like jokes back then would smash our players today. Salahuddin "Sallu" used to be Karachi region selector and under his selection, Karachi was a perennial regional champion. We have destroyed our structure ourselves. It's such a shame.

What else can one expect in Mohsin Naqvi era, the champions cup, mentors etc were all big PR stunts

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

Your India A side got thrashed by Afghanistan A in last year’s T20 Emerging Cup. Your U19 side has got beat by Pakistan U19 multiple times over the past couple of years.

So uh, no future?

Those were still teams on the same level.

This is not Pakistan Shaheens losing to Australia A which would be same level.

This is Perth Academy.

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

Are you aware T20 and ODI are not the same?

You are mixing up formats.

Don't get too excited.

Are you aware that India are T20 WCs w/o losing a single match and have the best T20 tournament in the world for honing their skills?

 

[Bewal Express]

What else can one expect in Mohsin Naqvi era, the champions cup, mentors etc were all big PR stunts

And very expensive ones. The Whole PCB is an absolute shambles,no more better illustrated by an expensive tour to the UK that played absolutely no one of note. This tour would have coast at least £150k or 6 crore and what did we learn

 

[Sachin fan]

Losing to the next generation of talent from a country with 'no future' as the original poster pointed out, should be shameful to say the least.

So is losing to Afghanistan A, who have barely have a good domestic structure.

India is doing well but to belittle the opposition's 'future' when your own have been losing to teams 'beneath your level' doesn't make for great optics.

Huh? Big difference between losing to teams in the same A level vs losing to some college and school boys

 

[Mesozoic]

Losing to the next generation of talent from a country with 'no future' as the original poster pointed out, should be shameful to say the least.

Don't know why you guys always have this perceived minnow complex and argue all your points based on that rhetoric.

When that poster said "No future" , it means that Pakistan doesn't have the required young talent to be a top team in world cricket in the near future. Not "They'll turn into total minnows who will lose each and every international game they play". You lot either have serious comprehending issues or are just coping 24/7.

 

[jnaveen1980]

NZ in contrast is producing more talents with limited supply. It is not even their main sports. Look at the fast bowlers that are coming through their system. Very impressive.

 

[nish_mate]

Are you aware that India are T20 WCs w/o losing a single match and have the best T20 tournament in the world for honing their skills?

Ignore the troll- he is Begaani Shaadi main Shakib Deewana

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

What else can one expect in Mohsin Naqvi era, the champions cup, mentors etc were all big PR stunts

This basically.

When you use sports as a tool for PR, image building, & employment scheme, this is what deserve to get in return.

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

NZ in contrast is producing more talents with limited supply. It is not even their main sports. Look at the fast bowlers that are coming through their system. Very impressive.

Professionalism of cricket has helped first world countries.

The general professionalism of their systems meshed well to the modern game.

India is doing well due to population and relative affluence compared to earlier (which has led to better systems) but even more improvements will be done as time passes.

I think the systems for existing Indian players (injury management, coaching, rehab etc) is the best in the world simply due to BCCI $$$ but pathway systems still need to get better.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Don't know why you guys always have this perceived minnow complex and argue all your points based on that rhetoric.

When that poster said "No future" , it means that Pakistan doesn't have the required young talent to be a top team in world cricket in the near future. Not "They'll turn into total minnows who will lose each and every international game they play". You lot either have serious comprehending issues or are just coping 24/7.

You didn’t read the initial post properly, where the poster somehow sees our future much worse off than USA/UAE.

Learn to read first then jump into a conversation aunty.

 

[Slim]

Don't worry your resident posters will be here soon to tell you that all is fine. It's a new era and results don't matter only intent. So continues the decline of any successful cricket in Pakistan.

What are you on about? The course correction has been done only recently in Pakistan cricket which is why people are talking about intent and not results. Of course the course correction would take some time to have full impact. What otherwise your genius self would have done? Stuck with Babar and Rizwan?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The economic arguments and the system being rotten are more related to test cricket.

It has some validity in T20 cricket for sure but it's not as important.

With some workload management, strength training and nutritional training our T20 team can be very good again. Plus our players can access all the top leagues across the world.

We are not going to be India or Australia or England. We need to work a system that suits our people and suits our temperament.

Our FC cricket is a different story. You get bigger crowds in a Ramzan T20 night tournament than you do for a test match in Pakistan. Its less to do with economy and more to do with people's interest.

 

[Slim]

This basically.

When you use sports as a tool for PR, image building, & employment scheme, this is what deserve to get in return.

So you are basically describing what has been happening since Ramiz Raja became PCB chairman? PR, image building and employment scheme screams Saya corporation to me as well. Soo basically its been the case for more than half a decade?

 

[Slim]

What else can one expect in Mohsin Naqvi era, the champions cup, mentors etc were all big PR stunts

Should we go back to Ramiz Raja era of Babar will you marry me or Babar ki century nahi dekhni?

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

You didn’t read the initial post properly, where the poster somehow sees our future much worse off than USA/UAE.

Learn to read first then jump into a conversation aunty.

Did you think that you would be on par with the likes of Bangladesh and Afghanistan say 10-15 years ago?

And yet here we are.

I am not talking random teams like Nepal and Uganda.

One thing that both UAE and USA have is that their domestic T20 league has more funds (due to IPL $$$) and a better player pool than PSL. Not outside the realm of possibility that this leads to the teams improving (in T20 at least) compared to Pakistan.

And them being first world countries also means that they can attract the second-third tier players of cricketing nations as well as general professional structures. And maybe with Pakistan at some point 15-20 years later, even the first tier?

Even in this tournament some Chicago team did as well as Shaheens and in fact beat them.

No one though Pakistan would not be playing WCs and Olympics in hockey but look where we are now.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

It shows that our boys are on the right path to carry forward the legacy set by their seniors like Iftikhar Ahmed, Shan Masood, and Mohammad Rizwan.

 

[Golu-momin]

Look

Are you aware T20 and ODI are not the same?

You are mixing up formats.

Don't get too excited.

Look who is teaching difference in between test and t20 mighty bangla team’s fan who have won 10 wc. Don’t you think bangla fan shouldn’t join any cricektning forum unless they win something they should get clearance to join from stuart binny

 

[BouncerGuy]

These guys were meant to be the future, but seeing them performing like a club cricketer (even worse), I can say that the future is dark.

 

[ahmadharis1]

I think yall are overreacting. Australia grade cricket is a very high standard, and Pakistan is Pakistan.