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"Shahid Afridi used to often tell me to convert to Islam": Danish Kaneria

TheSultan said:
The statement and headline itself cannot be right. How can Afridi “force” Kaneria to convert. How can anyone “force” anyone to convert. Kaneria did not convert

Even if you follow kaneria’s statement what he was actually saying was Afridi “asked” him to convert.

That’s the maximum it could have been anyway. And tbh I can believe that Afridi probably did ask him casually.

I can imagine these conversations probably do happen casually or even as a joke. Bit of a storm in a tea cup if he was asked, said no and that was that.

If Afridi persistently asked him when it was clear kaneria wasn’t interested, hassled him or threatened his life or something that’s wrong. But I seriously doubt that happened - people have better things to do.
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I find it weird that you think its funny to casually ask people to convert to Islam. I wonder how will you react if someone tell you to change your religion and make fun of your beliefs.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
I find it weird that you think its funny to casually ask people to convert to Islam. I wonder how will you react if someone tell you to change your religion and make fun of your beliefs.
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Who are you?

Read what I said. I did not say it was funny. I said it could have been said as a joke like normal conversations between teammates. I did not say anything about anyone making fun of anyone’s religion. I said I can imagine these things have been said.

Making fun of people’s religion is wrong and Islam teaches us not to do that anyway.

How would I feel if someone asked me to convert? People like the Jehovah’s witness knock on our doors here in the UK all the time preaching about their beliefs and wanting us to convert, and we have a very civil conversation about God and beliefs. I appreciate they have a job to do and by the end of the conversation they know that i do not wish to convert. There is mutual respect and that’s that. I don’t hold anything against them and it’s actually quite a pleasant and interesting conversation.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You can feign ignorance and plausible deniability all day long...won't make a lick of difference regarding what actually happened.

Which is that our captain was less of a captain and more of a missionary/evangelist using his position and influence as a cricketer to do religious work rather than his actual job. If you think there is nothing wrong with that than there is something wrong with you.

Its not as if the players in the current side are not religious. They are. But they are not dim-witted enough to let religion take over every aspect of their life and profession like the 2000s boys did. Had Misbah not taken over and restored some order this side likely would still have had the influence of the Tableeghi Jamaat all over it.
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Most of the players now don't actually follow tableeghi jamaat.
 
out 200 million people, one Afridi tells him to accept to Islam, while 199,999,999 people did not tell him to do so.
And he is making a this much fuss about it?

Every other day, I get Jehovah Witness knock at my door telling me to come to Christ and become a Christian. Do I need to start jumping up n down like a tormented monkey and make this much fuss about it?
 
Poor kid, all he wanted to do was play cricket for his country but his Hindu faith constantly made him a target considering how Islamized Pakistani cricket culture is to its core. And these same people lecture others about not mixing cricket and politics, shame. Kaneria was an absolute gem of a bowler back in the day
 
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Abdulm123 said:
Poor kid, all he wanted to do was play cricket for his country but his Hindu faith constantly made him a target considering how Islamized Pakistani cricket culture is to its core. And these same people lecture others about not mixing cricket and politics, shame. Kaneria was an absolute gem of a bowler back in the day
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Prove with facts on how Kaneria was targeted? He came through the system and went on to represent Pakistan over a long time. It was only his own form because of which he was dropped in 2010-2011. Kaneria literally played his best cricket under Inzamam who at that time was all religious.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
out 200 million people, one Afridi tells him to accept to Islam, while 199,999,999 people did not tell him to do so.
And he is making a this much fuss about it?

Every other day, I get Jehovah Witness knock at my door telling me to come to Christ and become a Christian. Do I need to start jumping up n down like a tormented monkey and make this much fuss about it?
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Exactly my point. Non Pakistanis and non Muslims will always jump at this opportunity because that’s just what they like to do. But you know what annoys me the most - Pakistanis adding fuel to the fire with their apologetic “oh I’m so ashamed, this is such a big problem” blah blah.

You don’t see any English people apologising about the Jehovah’s Witness. And all these apologists think they have a duty to make so much more out of something that’s not really a problem.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
out 200 million people, one Afridi tells him to accept to Islam, while 199,999,999 people did not tell him to do so.
And he is making a this much fuss about it?

Every other day, I get Jehovah Witness knock at my door telling me to come to Christ and become a Christian. Do I need to start jumping up n down like a tormented monkey and make this much fuss about it?
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Imagine it being done by ur captain whom u have to see everyday and who can literally destroy ur career by not selecting you. How dumb and blind have u become in defending the indefensible ?
 
Arabian_Khaleefa said:
Imagine it being done by ur captain whom u have to see everyday and who can literally destroy ur career by not selecting you. How dumb and blind have u become in defending the indefensible ?
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Read my previous posts above; the very first thing I stated is to condemn Afridi’s action.
That’s not even the question -

NO ONE is defending Afridi!

The point is, it’s NOT an all rosy world out there. Many, many and many of us have experienced unpleasant situations due to our faith - but we don’t start acting like wussies, and start crying like a high school girl on PMS.

What happened to Kaneria (if even true) was wrong but it was absolutely nothing in compared to what many Muslims in India, Burma, Palestine, n Kashmir faced and are facing due to their faith.

Someone invited him to accept Islam is NOTHING.

if his faith was truly a hurdle, then he would’ve NEVER made to the 11 players of a population of 200 million people.
And instead of being thankful about it, he has turned around and back stabbing.

He should present himself as an example that if, just like many other countries, Pakistan has issues regarding minorities but look at me, I am an example to present the other side of the coin and I made it all the way to the top.
 
Arabian_Khaleefa said:
Imagine it being done by ur captain whom u have to see everyday and who can literally destroy ur career by not selecting you. How dumb and blind have u become in defending the indefensible ?
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What are you even on about? Kaneria was treated better than all of his peers during his career. His captain in the Pakistan team - Inzi - was his biggest fan.

Kaneria displaced both Mushtaq Ahmed and Saqlain Mushtaq. If there was ever any discrimination in the pak team, then the evidence would be either of those two daarhis and tableegh is themselves selected above him.

Kaneria (rightly) was selected ahead of them. And when kaneria was tailing off with some truly mediocre performances he was still given a long rope - much to the chagrin of many supporters including me as we wanted a more potent spinner than one who would take 3 or 4-150 in every game.

Kaneria has nothing whatsoever to complain about - he had a great run in the pak test team. Yes he didn’t get many chances in ODIs but that was because his bowling was not suited to the format and also he was a pathetic fielder and an even more pathetic batsman.
 
TheSultan said:
From the 90s ok, brilliant. Then during this tabligi /religious influence, we had one Christian and one Hindu who made it through the whole system out of a population of 220 million in to the last XI of a cricket team for years!

Since then we have had none!

You can slice arguments many ways based on your view of the world.

And that’s my entire point in this thing - stop making accusations, allegations, statements based on rumours, innuendos and some cobbled together rumour mill articles with opinions based on the journalist’s view of the world.

If you have facts, bring them or then stop maligning Pakistani players.
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I'll do and say as I please and I could care less what you have to think or say about it. Everything I have said here is based on the word of people with credibility (news organizations, writers) or people who were in involved either with the team or in the set-up during this time period. So you can go and lecture someone else about facts, which is ironic in itself considering you have made entire arguments based on your personal opinions, biases and memories of watching cricket during that time period.

This utterly pointless conversation has gone on long enough. And I will not be replying to you further because I have made my points definitively and have no desire to continue banging my head against a brick wall. They say ignorance is bliss and you mate, deserve to revel in it.
 
I don't buy it.

He'd have never made it in the first XI and have such a long career for Pakistan.

The dude messed up at County Cricket and faced repercussions for his actions.

I can imagine Afridi being outspoken in the dressing room (about many things), but I doubt he would have been "forced to convert".

Unless others can substantiate this claim, it should be dismissed.
 
TheSultan said:
Who are you?

Read what I said. I did not say it was funny. I said it could have been said as a joke like normal conversations between teammates. I did not say anything about anyone making fun of anyone’s religion. I said I can imagine these things have been said.

Making fun of people’s religion is wrong and Islam teaches us not to do that anyway.

How would I feel if someone asked me to convert? People like the Jehovah’s witness knock on our doors here in the UK all the time preaching about their beliefs and wanting us to convert, and we have a very civil conversation about God and beliefs. I appreciate they have a job to do and by the end of the conversation they know that i do not wish to convert. There is mutual respect and that’s that. I don’t hold anything against them and it’s actually quite a pleasant and interesting conversation.
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Do Jehovah Witnesses play cricket and preach at the ground ?

I believe religion is everything.

But when I go to see patients, I dont tell them about One God and Islam.

There is no context here mate.

Just like I shouldnt be preaching in the hospital IN NO CONTEXT WHATSOEVER, crickters should focus on cricket.

I dont necessarily believe Kaneria.

But your defense for Dawah is quite weak and poor.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Do Jehovah Witnesses play cricket and preach at the ground ?

I believe religion is everything.

But when I go to see patients, I dont tell them about One God and Islam.

There is no context here mate.

Just like I shouldnt be preaching in the hospital IN NO CONTEXT WHATSOEVER, crickters should focus on cricket.

I dont necessarily believe Kaneria.

But your defense for Dawah is quite weak and poor.
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Think the doctor patient example is not correct unless you are treating your close friends and doing so for a long time.

This is more of a situation where mates/colleagues in a situation where they are in contact with each other for long periods of time due to being on tour.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Do Jehovah Witnesses play cricket and preach at the ground ?

I believe religion is everything.

But when I go to see patients, I dont tell them about One God and Islam.

There is no context here mate.

Just like I shouldnt be preaching in the hospital IN NO CONTEXT WHATSOEVER, crickters should focus on cricket.

I dont necessarily believe Kaneria.

But your defense for Dawah is quite weak and poor.
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Hold on a minute doc. Show me where it says that any of these players did this on the cricket pitch apart from the ahmed shehzad episode - which I have already said was completely wrong. That wasn’t even Da’wah - that was sledging in the worst taste.

Cricketers off the pitch may have had these conversations with each other. Whatever those alleged stories about yousuf and vettori, afridi and kaneria, lara and yousuf - I’m pretty sure were off the pitch. Unless you’re telling that in the middle of a match, yousuf stopped play to start inviting vettori and lara to Islam lol

Just because their profession is cricket - it doesn’t exclude them from speaking about Islam / giving da’wah off the pitch. Just as I’m sure away from your scrubs or your consulting room you have a right to talk about islam or give da’wah.

So whatever you’re saying here really doesn’t make any sense Doc. But thanks for letting us know about your life.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I'll do and say as I please and I could care less what you have to think or say about it. Everything I have said here is based on the word of people with credibility (news organizations, writers) or people who were in involved either with the team or in the set-up during this time period. So you can go and lecture someone else about facts, which is ironic in itself considering you have made entire arguments based on your personal opinions, biases and memories of watching cricket during that time period.

This utterly pointless conversation has gone on long enough. And I will not be replying to you further because I have made my points definitively and have no desire to continue banging my head against a brick wall. They say ignorance is bliss and you mate, deserve to revel in it.
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I agree - you should do and say as you please but as long as you don’t pass off non facts as facts. Glad you have gone round the houses and admitted that most of what you said is “he said, she said” stuff. Whatever it takes, as long as you admit it, that’s all we need fella.

With this in mind continuing conversing about innuendo and masala stuff is indeed pointless.

Hope you’ve learned a few things in this exchange. I only aim to improve others. I am proud of you.
 
TheSultan said:
I agree - you should do and say as you please but as long as you don’t pass off non facts as facts. Glad you have gone round the houses and admitted that most of what you said is “he said, she said” stuff. Whatever it takes, as long as you admit it, that’s all we need fella.

With this in mind continuing conversing about innuendo and masala stuff is indeed pointless.

Hope you’ve learned a few things in this exchange. I only aim to improve others. I am proud of you.
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I think you need to visit an ophthalmologist and get your eyes checked if that is what you got out of this. But considering everything you have said uptill now the fact that you couldn't see and read properly would explain alot of things now that I think about it.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
During the last one day international on Pakistan's latest tour of Sri Lanka, Shehzad was recorded on camera telling Tillakaratne Dilshan, after he scored a 50 and won the match for his team, that “if you are a non-Muslim and you turn Muslim, no matter whatever you do in your life, straight to heaven.”

Apparently Dilshan must have said something along the lines of “Thanks, but no thanks,” to which he later added, “Then be ready for the fire.” Presumably hellfire.
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Either that or one of Shahzad's patented 65 (100) which is roughly equivalent to eternal damnation.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Do Jehovah Witnesses play cricket and preach at the ground ?

I believe religion is everything.

But when I go to see patients, I dont tell them about One God and Islam.

There is no context here mate.

Just like I shouldnt be preaching in the hospital IN NO CONTEXT WHATSOEVER, crickters should focus on cricket.

I dont necessarily believe Kaneria.

But your defense for Dawah is quite weak and poor.
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How do you know that thier isn't any jehovah witnesses playing cricket?
 
Show me an example of someone in the pak team preaching at a cricket ground? Even in the tableeghi years.
 
TheSultan said:
Show me an example of someone in the pak team preaching at a cricket ground? Even in the tableeghi years.
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There have always been murmurings about the supposed religiosity of the Pakistan team during “the Inzy years” but very little actual evidence (that I have seen) of anything unreasonable or uncomfortable taking place.
 
James said:
There have always been murmurings about the supposed religiosity of the Pakistan team during “the Inzy years” but very little actual evidence (that I have seen) of anything unreasonable or uncomfortable taking place.
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Exactly - Thank you!

It’s well known they used to pray together - nothing wrong with that. Some people had issues with the “outward display” of it all. But as far as I’m concerned it’s not really anyone’s business.

As far as disrespecting any other team / players - never heard of it. As far as trying to convert anyone “in the ground” or “on the pitch” - No evidence.

If they spoke to any other players out of the ground or outside play about Islam - quite possible - I’ve never heard any international player complain about it. And in any case what they do outside the ground is not anyone else’s business.
 
Seems Kaneria trying to win friends


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ro" dir="ltr">Chief selector 😂😂😂 <a href="https://t.co/cdKokzJCyR">pic.twitter.com/cdKokzJCyR</a></p>— Danish Kaneria (@DanishKaneria61) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanishKaneria61/status/1606888823799128066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
MenInG said:
Seems Kaneria trying to win friends


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ro" dir="ltr">Chief selector 😂😂😂 <a href="https://t.co/cdKokzJCyR">pic.twitter.com/cdKokzJCyR</a></p>— Danish Kaneria (@DanishKaneria61) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanishKaneria61/status/1606888823799128066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Let's see what more entertainment he can provide as a selector. Afridi and stupidity are made for each other!
 
MenInG said:
Seems Kaneria trying to win friends


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ro" dir="ltr">Chief selector 😂😂😂 <a href="https://t.co/cdKokzJCyR">pic.twitter.com/cdKokzJCyR</a></p>— Danish Kaneria (@DanishKaneria61) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanishKaneria61/status/1606888823799128066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Well, those Indian youtube clicks aren’t going to happen by themself are they
 
TheSultan said:
Show me an example of someone in the pak team preaching at a cricket ground? Even in the tableeghi years.
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The Ahmed Shehzad and Dilshan episode comes to mind - although I believe that is due to ignorance on the part of Shehzad that he had no business telling Dilshan to convert to Islam
 
Just like how ECB launched investigation about racism recently, PCB should investigate these and take strict action against past or present players if they are found to be involved in any such activities.

ICC should also take a note.
 
kumjsr said:
Just like how ECB launched investigation about racism recently, PCB should investigate these and take strict action against past or present players if they are found to be involved in any such activities.

ICC should also take a note.
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This would be like banning amir khan for testerone after his last boxing fight
 
kumjsr said:
Just like how ECB launched investigation about racism recently, PCB should investigate these and take strict action against past or present players if they are found to be involved in any such activities.

ICC should also take a note.
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What could they charge him with? He's inviting someone to join him in his faith, it's crass behaviour, but hardly abuse.

Kaneria should have responded by inviting Shezad or whoever to become a high caste Hindu instead.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
What could they charge him with? He's inviting someone to join him in his faith, it's crass behaviour, but hardly abuse.

Kaneria should have responded by inviting Shezad or whoever to become a high caste Hindu instead.
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That's what needs to be seen. What exactly is being done in name of inviting people to their religion?

Discrimination, abuse, insulting other religion. There would be no need of investigation if everything was already known.
 
Ali T said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1713606555168649307

Ahmed Shehzad makes me feel sick
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Absolutely pathetic and this behaviour has been rampant in the Pakistan cricket set up for years. Kaneria was a supreme fighter that he lived through all this to have a very respectable cricketing career.

I am actually flabbergasted despite this he went to play further cricket. This is a major offense to publicly condemn someone’s religion and telling them they’re going straight to hells fire for not adopting their religion.

Extremely sick mentality but the bigger question here is what led to an international cricket having the guts and beghairat to say all this in front of cameras during an international cricket match. Obviously he’s only the product of the mullah culture that’s been part of Pakistan cricket since early 2000s
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
What could they charge him with? He's inviting someone to join him in his faith, it's crass behaviour, but hardly abuse.

Kaneria should have responded by inviting Shezad or whoever to become a high caste Hindu instead.
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So telling him to be ready for hell fire is not abuse?
 
Bhaijaan said:
Absolutely pathetic and this behaviour has been rampant in the Pakistan cricket set up for years. Kaneria was a supreme fighter that he lived through all this to have a very respectable cricketing career.

I am actually flabbergasted despite this he went to play further cricket. This is a major offense to publicly condemn someone’s religion and telling them they’re going straight to hells fire for not adopting their religion.

Extremely sick mentality but the bigger question here is what led to an international cricket having the guts and beghairat to say all this in front of cameras during an international cricket match. Obviously he’s only the product of the mullah culture that’s been part of Pakistan cricket since early 2000s
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Wasn’t Kaneria caught for fixing and banned? How is that a respectable cricketing career?
 
Looking at the great history of Pakistani tableeghi cricketers post 2001, i cannot really deny what kaneria is saying. He was the only non muslim during his playing days and all these mullahs in our team must have forced/advised him to convert. Saeed anwar was the chairman of this tableeghi cricket group.
 
The_KING said:
Kaneria is such an unlikeable character. Forever playing the victim card.
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He is - but this story is rather believable. In fact Afridi would hardly be the only one involved.
 
Hope someone files an Article 6 case against Kaneria for deliberately maligning the country he is living in for personal self interest.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
Yes, if Afridi did it then he should apologize for his jahaalut and face the consequences, but this idiot should also not look at the glass being 100th portion empty.

Him (and his uncle Anil Dalpat) being Hindus did not have to face hurdles in making it all the way to Pak team.

If one Afridi was being stupid for a very short period of time then there were thousands who were behind him, supported him and became his fans, and cheered for him for years. And most of all, millions respected his religion.

There is no perfect joy ride for anyone. So no point in being a snow flake.

He should be thankful and feel blessed and proud that him being from a 2% minority in a country of 96% Muslims, yet he was given a fair chance to make it to 11 players from 200 million people.

Yes, Pakistan has its growing pains when it comes to minorities but these are not even the 1000th% of what’s happening to Muslim minorities in India.

He should be someone who proudly becomes the ambassador of Pakistan to show the world how a minority member can follow his dreams and achieve so much.

What else does he want? Indian citizenship? I truly hope he gets it.
We don’t want such imbeciles unfairly defaming his own country.
Is he proud of what his Hindu brethren doing to Muslims in India? Did he ever condemn that?
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I am from India . It’s unclear where your source of misinfo is from . You are welcome to my home in mumbai and experience india . We focus on education , constitution , progress. Shami , siraj , kaif , zaheer , azar etc will not tell u anybody told them to convert or forced them . While dealing with your issues , why involve india . Sheikh , apni Dekh ..
 
docteurmanish said:
I am from India . It’s unclear where your source of misinfo is from . You are welcome to my home in mumbai and experience india . We focus on education , constitution , progress. Shami , siraj , kaif , zaheer , azar etc will not tell u anybody told them to convert or forced them . While dealing with your issues , why involve india . Sheikh , apni Dekh ..
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Yes, that's because in India, whether it's Muslims, Hindus, or citizens of any other religion, they relate themselves to Indians. However, in Pakistan, you will see the majority of the people relating themselves to Arabs
 
If it worked on Yousuf Youhana, it can work on Kaneria too. Proselytization is one of the key aspects of both Islam and Christianity. I am not sure what the PCB policy was on giving Dawah by Pak Muslim players, but if it is allowed, Shehzad or Afridi are not in wrong. If the law and rules allow it, I see nothing wrong there.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
What could they charge him with? He's inviting someone to join him in his faith, it's crass behaviour, but hardly abuse.

Kaneria should have responded by inviting Shezad or whoever to become a high caste Hindu instead.
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Also, the demeaning use of "high caste Hindu" shows your hatred towards Hindu religion.
 
Nothing wrong if Afridi was trying this, in the end Kaneria remained in his belief, Shahid tried to fulfil his responsibility seems Kaneria trying to create an angle out of it
 
This guy's actively pro-india and anti-Pakistan. Thankfully the lunatics haven't got to him but his comments online are deliberately antagonistic. The man was a well loved member of Pakistan cricket team, a convicted criminal yet now he's become a hellbent anti-state propagandist
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
This guy's actively pro-india and anti-Pakistan. Thankfully the lunatics haven't got to him but his comments online are deliberately antagonistic. The man was a well loved member of Pakistan cricket team, a convicted criminal yet now he's become a hellbent anti-state propagandist
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Pakistani security agencies need to summon him and see if Article 6 applies on Kaneria
 
Danish Kaneria said while speaking to local Indian media:

“Everything is taken for granted; that's why the downfall of Pakistan cricket has gone through making captains, changing captain. That will not work. Stick to your captain stick with him."

"Okay, I have made him the captain for one year. I will ask him. I will ask him to give me an answer after one year. Nobody will touch him you have full support from me, but you need to perform. If you don't perform, you go out, so that's the thing you have to make tough decisions. Why, if you don't make tough decisions, things will not work."

"Why today other teams are doing so well Why is the Indian team is doing so well? They had a Rahul Dravid who worked with the team very well now they have Gautham Gambir, a fantastic cricketer and fantastic guy. The way he reacts, he tells on the face. He doesn't go back and do backbiting; he's on the face straight away. This is how you have to be. You have to be strong, and like a strong person, you have to make the decision on the face, not at the back.”
 
I’m saying this as an Indian and a a Hindu that that’s the problem right there.

I could be wrong but it seems to me that some Muslims think that asking someone to convert your religion is your duty and also perhaps your right. It often seems to me that these people think they are doing the rest of favour by asking us to convert.

On the other hand, our reality is that many of us think that attempts to convert, especially in a professional context, are rude, and unwelcome.

So it’s a different worldview.

A long time ago I had a group of Arabs try and convert me while travelling in a bus in India. I was young then and it ended in my calling the cops. I’m more reasonable now but even today I feel it’s no one’s business to ask me to convert.

if you respect my religion I’ll respect yours. If you don’t, I’ll give it back in spades
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
I’m saying this as an Indian and a a Hindu that that’s the problem right there.

I could be wrong but it seems to me that some Muslims think that asking someone to convert your religion is your duty and also perhaps your right. It often seems to me that these people think they are doing the rest of favour by asking us to convert.

On the other hand, our reality is that many of us think that attempts to convert, especially in a professional context, are rude, and unwelcome.

So it’s a different worldview.

A long time ago I had a group of Arabs try and convert me while travelling in a bus in India. I was young then and it ended in my calling the cops. I’m more reasonable now but even today I feel it’s no one’s business to ask me to convert.

if you respect my religion I’ll respect yours. If you don’t, I’ll give it back in spades
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What did you say to the cops?
 
Mas-LFC said:
Shahid Afridi was doing Dawah, spreading the message of Islam. What happened between you two off field as such should be kept private. You don’t have to open up everything to seek Indian media attention. Afridi didn’t force you, did he?!
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Well said.

It’s just the arrogance of some people. Anyways, true guidance can only come from God. A day will come when everyone will wish they were guided to God’s religion and true monotheism. Guidance is a favor from God to mankind.
 
He is one of the biggest fraud in international cricket, took 4 tailenders wickets and end up with 4-180 or 5-200. Yasir shah was miles better than him
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Nothing bad in inviting someone to your religion even some Hindu posters here have asked others to join Hinduism. So not a big deal
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In most cases yes. But there could be an unfair power dynamic at work too.

Imagine you are a minority in the dressing room and your a minority in the country too. You are insecure. Perhaps in your whole life you have felt the odd one out. Your religion is associated with shirk and India, no doubt you will have been told this many times growing up. Now 15-16 people surround you and are the odd one out. They are pray together, eat foods you are unable to, observe same festival etc.

In that scenario, a person being invited to a religion could feel pressured and alienated.
 
Mas-LFC said:
Shahid Afridi was doing Dawah, spreading the message of Islam. What happened between you two off field as such should be kept private. You don’t have to open up everything to seek Indian media attention. Afridi didn’t force you, did he?!
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No it's not okay to try to ask someone to convert to your religion. Keep your religion to yourself in your private space.
 
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srilankan hindus tried to convert dilshan forcefully... but instead dilshan asked to rebuild detroyed mosques by hindus in srilanka...
 
DeadlyVenom said:
What did you say to the cops?
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Exactly what was happening: That they were trying to convert me and insulting Hinduism (which they were).

Had them kicked off the bus and given a talking to by the cops.

That was it. Obviously nothing more happened but hopefully they were given a lesson in humility and displaying arrogance.

Also, I did ruin their day.
 
I feel for Kaneria. Had some Muslims tempt me into Dawah too, little did they know the power of Sanatan, in the end they were forced to leave me alone as every word I uttered made them look even more stupid.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
Exactly what was happening: That they were trying to convert me and insulting Hinduism (which they were).

Had them kicked off the bus and given a talking to by the cops.

That was it. Obviously nothing more happened but hopefully they were given a lesson in humility and displaying arrogance.

Also, I did ruin their day.
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Well done !! Mucho respect :bow:
 
Kaneria has gone rogue. Saying all kinds of stuff about Pakistan. Not saying that he is lying but we can never be sure.
 
If he felt bad and harassed he should have raised his voice then and there, rather than voicing out this at a time when he is not ther part of system and has no hope of any career opportunity in PCB due to his fixing saga in england county. Pak ex- cricketers has found an excellent way of earning fame and money through Indians, thank to Shoaib Akhtar.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
Exactly what was happening: That they were trying to convert me and insulting Hinduism (which they were).

Had them kicked off the bus and given a talking to by the cops.

That was it. Obviously nothing more happened but hopefully they were given a lesson in humility and displaying arrogance.

Also, I did ruin their day.
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Arabs travelling on bus in India.
Insult your religion.
You call cops.
Cops stop the bus.
Kick Arab tourists out.


Seems a far fetched story bro but will take your word for it.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
A long time ago I had a group of Arabs try and convert me while travelling in a bus in India. I was young then and it ended in my calling the cops. I’m more reasonable now but even today I feel it’s no one’s business to ask me to convert.
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lol .. yeah this didn't happen. Atleast make it believable when making up a story.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
If he felt bad and harassed he should have raised his voice then and there, rather than voicing out this at a time when he is not ther part of system and has no hope of any career opportunity in PCB due to his fixing saga in england county. Pak ex- cricketers has found an excellent way of earning fame and money through Indians, thank to Shoaib Akhtar.
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Quite the opposite. Raising his voice while being part of the system would have been suicidal. Glad he is exposing it all now.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
If he felt bad and harassed he should have raised his voice then and there, rather than voicing out this at a time when he is not ther part of system and has no hope of any career opportunity in PCB due to his fixing saga in england county. Pak ex- cricketers has found an excellent way of earning fame and money through Indians, thank to Shoaib Akhtar.
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That would have been the end of his career if he did that. You believe he is lying when a Pakistani player (Ahmed Shehzad) dared to warn T. Dilshan of hell fire if he doesn't convert to Islam that too on the ground?
 
You don't talk about religion, spirituality with your professional colleagues. That's basic etiquette and decency

U can talk such things with ur close friends in a private setting if they are interested. Not with professional colleagues. In India you can get sacked from ur job if u discuss such things with ur colleagues

Imagine the outrage is tomorrow Moeen Ali says that Ben Stokes tried to convert him to Christianity. Those same Pakistani posters who are defending Afridi will be frothing in their mouths !
 
NishanKonar said:
You don't talk about religion, spirituality with your professional colleagues. That's basic etiquette and decency

U can talk such things with ur close friends in a private setting if they are interested. Not with professional colleagues. In India you can get sacked from ur job if u discuss such things with ur colleagues

Imagine the outrage is tomorrow Moeen Ali says that Ben Stokes tried to convert him to Christianity. Those same Pakistani posters who are defending Afridi will be frothing in their mouths !
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You're expecting too much.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
If he felt bad and harassed he should have raised his voice then and there, rather than voicing out this at a time when he is not ther part of system and has no hope of any career opportunity in PCB due to his fixing saga in england county. Pak ex- cricketers has found an excellent way of earning fame and money through Indians, thank to Shoaib Akhtar.
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That's true for a country like USA where there is proper law & order system in place. So u can expect to get justice even if u are minority

Not in a country like Pakistan where u can be framed in false blasphemy case & jailed - like that poor Christian lady who got framed by her neighbors for refusing to convert to Islam !
 
NishanKonar said:
You don't talk about religion, spirituality with your professional colleagues. That's basic etiquette and decency

U can talk such things with ur close friends in a private setting if they are interested. Not with professional colleagues. In India you can get sacked from ur job if u discuss such things with ur colleagues

Imagine the outrage is tomorrow Moeen Ali says that Ben Stokes tried to convert him to Christianity. Those same Pakistani posters who are defending Afridi will be frothing in their mouths !
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The outrage is in your imagination only.

Dealing with Christian missionaries etc is common for Muslims in the west.
 
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