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"Shahid Afridi used to often tell me to convert to Islam": Danish Kaneria

DeadlyVenom said:
The outrage is in your imagination only.

Dealing with Christian missionaries etc is common for Muslims in the west.
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There is nothing wrong with Christian missionaries or Dawah bros or Iskcon. Its their job to proselytize. Also they are not my colleagues or seniors in office. I can politely refuse them without fear of any consequences

But u dont expect ur colleagues or seniors to indulge in such things. There is different power dynamic involved.
 
NishanKonar said:
Yes to much to expect from a buffoon who once said that women should not play cricket but rather cook biriyani. Also remember the same Shahid Afridi once bragged that he destroyed a tv set bcoz his daughter were watching an Indian tv series where they were showing a Hindu festival !

No wonder Danish Kaneria had a tough time in Pakistan dressing room with such characters around
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Yes, I remember all of that. Although it's extremely difficult to remember all the idiotic things he did and has said his entire life.
 
NishanKonar said:
You don't talk about religion, spirituality with your professional colleagues. That's basic etiquette and decency
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Where do you come up with this stuff ? You can talk about anything if they are your friends.
 
Hitman said:
You believe he would have bit the ball on live TV if he has any type of basic intellect?
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I don't know him personally so cannot comment on his iq level

Point is when u are big celebrity - ur words have consequences. Imagine Virat Kohli saying similar things - that women should cook food only, Hindus should not watch Islamic festivities on tv , tells Siraj to convert to Hinduism - he wud be castigated and rightly so

Remember the outrage when a Pakistani origin cricketer claimed racist abuse at Yorkshire. Nobody blamed that cricketer for raising such issues. Most fans here supported his actions

But when Danish Kaneria calls out such things in Pakistan - he is getting criticized.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Arabs travelling on bus in India.
Insult your religion.
You call cops.
Cops stop the bus.
Kick Arab tourists out.


Seems a far fetched story bro but will take your word for it.
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There’s a place called Deoband in India, the intellectual powerhouse of Islamic thought in the subcontinent. It’s a popular destination for Muslims from various nations.

An inter state transport bus service from Dehradun to Delhi, that goes via Deoband, has been in service for decades. I was a regular traveler in that route. It was on one of those buses that this happened; it’s been two decades.

Whether someone believes it or not, well that’s on them.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
The outrage is in your imagination only.

Dealing with Christian missionaries etc is common for Muslims in the west.
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Absolutely NOT. There is just simply no comparison to the situation in Pakistan at all whatsover. NONE.
 
NishanKonar said:
There is nothing wrong with Christian missionaries or Dawah bros or Iskcon. Its their job to proselytize. Also they are not my colleagues or seniors in office. I can politely refuse them without fear of any consequences

But u dont expect ur colleagues or seniors to indulge in such things. There is different power dynamic involved.
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Agree about power dynamic. I said the same thing. It would have been a tough situation for Kaneria if it happened like he said.
 
Hitman said:
That would have been the end of his career if he did that. You believe he is lying when a Pakistani player (Ahmed Shehzad) dared to warn T. Dilshan of hell fire if he doesn't convert to Islam that too on the ground?
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Everyone is aware about Shehzad incident, and Dilshan didn't use it a weapon to gain lost fame. He confronted right there.
 
Hikaru said:
Quite the opposite. Raising his voice while being part of the system would have been suicidal. Glad he is exposing it all now.
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Not sure how is it a smart move? If you value your religion you should speak then and there, rather keeping it hidden till you are one of them. It indicates hypocrisy and nothing else.
 
Another loud mouth . Fixer and now trying to gain attention . If you were so bothered should have just stopped playing cricket . Today playing a victim card
 
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NishanKonar said:
U cannot brush away such stuff as " idiotic" in a society where women & minorities have to deal with so much. Last thing u need is ur biggest celebrity saying such stuff on live tv
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Of course , women and minorities are well looked after by fellow countrymen in your land, they will step in and stop any injustice, elderly or otherwise and certainly wont record anything
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Not sure how is it a smart move? If you value your religion you should speak then and there, rather keeping it hidden till you are one of them. It indicates hypocrisy and nothing else.
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It indicates fear, justified fear.
 
NishanKonar said:
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NishanKonar said:
U cannot brush away such stuff as " idiotic" in a society where women & minorities have to deal with so much. Last thing u need is ur biggest celebrity saying such stuff on live tv
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Look at how Muslims are treated in India. Have Indians tried to stop this treatment of minorities?

Have you seen how much Indians are getting destroyed on social media over these things.

I don’t like bringing these things up, but if you live in a glass house, don’t be throwing stones
 
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There is no substance to these claims as he was picked to play for Pakistan despite being a Hindu.

If you are good enough, you are good enough.

Pakistan has issues, but the least of them are being a cricketer and being asked to convert to a different religion. Thats an exaggeration at best and a bit of normal Islamic talk at worst.

Its not like he was thrown out of the team because he refused to convert.

He played till he became ineffective/retired.
 
Warning:

Please keep the discussion focused on the topic between Shahid Afridi and Danish Kaneria, and refrain from engaging in religious debates
 
Hitman said:
Yes, I remember all of that. Although it's extremely difficult to remember all the idiotic things he did and has said his entire life.
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There's nothing wrong with that. In rich countries I've no problem with women playing sports. But in poor countries it's a terrible waste of resources especially when you also know they are hardly going to even compete with the top teams. Pakistan needs to stop trying to become the the US or the UK. Don't be ashamed of your culture and religion.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Warning:

Please keep the discussion focused on the topic between Shahid Afridi and Danish Kaneria, and refrain from engaging in religious debates
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Dr_Bassim said:
There is no substance to these claims as he was picked to play for Pakistan despite being a Hindu.

If you are good enough, you are good enough.

Pakistan has issues, but the least of them are being a cricketer and being asked to convert to a different religion. Thats an exaggeration at best and a bit of normal Islamic talk at worst.

Its not like he was thrown out of the team because he refused to convert.

He played till he became ineffective/retired.
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100%. This basically should be end of thread.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
There's nothing wrong with that. In rich countries I've no problem with women playing sports. But in poor countries it's a terrible waste of resources especially when you also know they are hardly going to even compete with the top teams. Pakistan needs to stop trying to become the the US or the UK. Don't be ashamed of your culture and religion.
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That's a poor attitude to have, women's cricket is rolling with money now .. they could make a good living.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
There's nothing wrong with that. In rich countries I've no problem with women playing sports. But in poor countries it's a terrible waste of resources especially when you also know they are hardly going to even compete with the top teams. Pakistan needs to stop trying to become the the US or the UK. Don't be ashamed of your culture and religion.
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In my view this is a very conceited thought process. If the women don’t play, how will they ever get better? Will YOU be happy with your status quo if we were raised in a temporary shed with no access to facilities or modern offerings that enhance your life? Or would you just be content with laying bricks because some nincompoop told you to sit at home and forget getting better because you’ll never be able to compete with the Westerners?
Women working has nothing to do with competing with other to start with, but becoming the best version of themselves at which point they can introspect and see what they need to do to be competitive with others that are better than them.
 
RexRex said:
That's a poor attitude to have, women's cricket is rolling with money now .. they could make a good living.
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Not really in Pakistan. They're a joke and have no future. We can't afford women's cricket better to use for education or health care.
 
If PCB supported Kaneria in his case, he'd be tweeting about how Pakistan made his dreams come true and proof that minorities can make it.

However as they distanced themselves from him, Kaneria's changed his allegiances and sings the tune of discrimination which he made zero mention of until after his various appeals against his fixing conviction were rejected.

These comments for publicity are disgraceful and should be given no attention, and detracts from the actual religious discrimination that exists in Pakistan.
 
Kaneria seems like a sore loser. Why is he saying these things after all these years? :inti

Did Afridi force him to convert? I believe not.
 
Markhor said:
If PCB supported Kaneria in his case, he'd be tweeting about how Pakistan made his dreams come true and proof that minorities can make it.

However as they distanced themselves from him, Kaneria's changed his allegiances and sings the tune of discrimination which he made zero mention of until after his various appeals against his fixing conviction were rejected.

These comments for publicity are disgraceful and should be given no attention, and detracts from the actual religious discrimination that exists in Pakistan.
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Pakistani fixers expect that they have a right to forgiveness when they fix. I’m sure Kaneria is upset partly because he’s seen people like Amir return to the fold (even Sharjeel khan got a few games too). It’s double standards. Butt and Asif I’m sure feel the same way. Also there’s suspicions that some Pakistani fixers weren’t even caught, thus I’m sure it creates bad feeling, like how was I the unlucky one when the rest got away. They feel PCB should go out of their way to try and bring them back, just like they did with Amir and to an extent Sharjeel. Even though PCB turned on these two eventually as well. And then even Amir feels hard done, he feels betrayed by his fans, board etc., always comes across bitter despite getting lenient treatment.

Compare to Lou Vincent from New Zealand. Got the harshest punishments possible, not even originally allowed to even set foot in a cricket stadium again. And yet profusely apologised for his actions, made no excuses. Didn’t demand or expect leniency.

Even when we choose to forgive fixers it doesn’t work out. They end up bitter anyway, comparing their treatment to others. Most of the time after return they are a shadow of themselves as cricketers. And even if the unlikely chance they do succeed to some extent it’s just short term success. It’s not worth the long term damage of continued leniency encouraging fixing, and many more cricketers fixing in the future.

It’s funny because think if PCB introduced a zero tolerance fixing policy these fixers would be less bitter. They wouldn’t expect leniency or think PCB should help them. And maybe they’d realise what a serious issue it is for Pakistani cricket than trivialising it. Even Amir it really felt like he lost the same passion for cricket after he came back, he was mostly going through the motions. I remember reading he was trying to study during his time off and he met his wife in uk who was one of the lawyers defending his case. Maybe if he’d gone into a different career than cricket again, he actually would have been happier. Even though I’m positive we aren’t helping Pakistani cricket as a whole with leniency to cricketers, I’m not sure we’re even helping the cricketers who fix too, we turn them into these bitter versions of themselves.
 
ads101 said:
Pakistani fixers expect that they have a right to forgiveness when they fix. I’m sure Kaneria is upset partly because he’s seen people like Amir return to the fold (even Sharjeel khan got a few games too). It’s double standards. Butt and Asif I’m sure feel the same way. Also there’s suspicions that some Pakistani fixers weren’t even caught, thus I’m sure it creates bad feeling, like how was I the unlucky one when the rest got away. They feel PCB should go out of their way to try and bring them back, just like they did with Amir and to an extent Sharjeel. Even though PCB turned on these two eventually as well. And then even Amir feels hard done, he feels betrayed by his fans, board etc., always comes across bitter despite getting lenient treatment.

Compare to Lou Vincent from New Zealand. Got the harshest punishments possible, not even originally allowed to even set foot in a cricket stadium again. And yet profusely apologised for his actions, made no excuses. Didn’t demand or expect leniency.

Even when we choose to forgive fixers it doesn’t work out. They end up bitter anyway, comparing their treatment to others. Most of the time after return they are a shadow of themselves as cricketers. And even if the unlikely chance they do succeed to some extent it’s just short term success. It’s not worth the long term damage of continued leniency encouraging fixing, and many more cricketers fixing in the future.

It’s funny because think if PCB introduced a zero tolerance fixing policy these fixers would be less bitter. They wouldn’t expect leniency or think PCB should help them. And maybe they’d realise what a serious issue it is for Pakistani cricket than trivialising it. Even Amir it really felt like he lost the same passion for cricket after he came back, he was mostly going through the motions. I remember reading he was trying to study during his time off and he met his wife in uk who was one of the lawyers defending his case. Maybe if he’d gone into a different career than cricket again, he actually would have been happier. Even though I’m positive we aren’t helping Pakistani cricket as a whole with leniency to cricketers, I’m not sure we’re even helping the cricketers who fix too, we turn them into these bitter versions of themselves.
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I agree that there should be 0 tolerance towards fixers but Kaneria messed up big.

He never admitted to his crime. He tried to downplay it and when he accepted that he fixed it was too late. Basically cricketets get leniancy if they accept the crime.

On top of that he destroyed the career of an English cricketer who he got involved to fix. Kaneria was an international pro, and for him to convince a youngster to fix was looked down upon by ECB.

PcB never banned him, it was ECB. His matter was related to ECB
 
Major said:
I agree that there should be 0 tolerance towards fixers but Kaneria messed up big.

He never admitted to his crime. He tried to downplay it and when he accepted that he fixed it was too late. Basically cricketets get leniancy if they accept the crime.

On top of that he destroyed the career of an English cricketer who he got involved to fix. Kaneria was an international pro, and for him to convince a youngster to fix was looked down upon by ECB.

PcB never banned him, it was ECB. His matter was related to ECB
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None of our cricketers initially admitted to their crimes. They admitted only later to agree a leniency deal and shorten their ban. Kaneria actually was the only one who admitted eventually without any reason to. Whether he admitted or not it didn’t change anything, there was no bargaining. As ECB wanted him banned for life. ECB don’t actually have the power when it comes to a Pakistani cricketer. So they had to ask PCB. They requested PCB to do so which the PCB complied. I think that’s why Kaneria is annoyed, he expected PCB to not comply and to fight for him. If let’s say ECB requested this for Amir or some young talent, PCB probably would have fought. They just didn’t really care about Kaneria at this point, as his international career was done. Which is why he feels aggrieved. Sharjeel because he did it within Pakistani domestic, it was under the PCB control, so they managed to limit it so much that Sharjeel only got a 2.5 year ban with no jail time. Sharjeel was lucky he did it in Pakistani domestic (PSL) really.

ECB do not care that much about Amir or the trio. Yes they pushed for greater punishment then too. However not for life bans. Kaneria annoyed them more because he actually affected their own cricketers. Introducing fixing into English cricket. Amir and the trio only hurt Pakistani cricket. Thats why countries are often more harsh on their own cricketers being caught then objecting to Pakistani cricketers who have fixed playing in their country again. They care about stopping the fixing cricketing rot in their country. I bet you had Amir had done the same crime and had been English, ECB would have been adamant about handing out a life ban, regardless of how young he was. Even if he didn’t recruit others to fix.

Even Westfield the English cricketer who got caught received a short jail sentence and a pretty clear cut ban from playing cricket. It was relaxed due to cooperation, which I think England did on purpose only to try and get him to root out any other fixers. And even then he was only allowed to play a few games in lower level cricket, in second XIs. While our guys get caught and then feel like they should be playing international cricket again.
 
Danish kaneria is doing his usual shenanigans. India, please give him the nationality that he has been fighting for...LOL
 
Ma Sha Allah, brother Shahid giving Dawah to save you from the hellfire in the afterlife. That’s great. As long as it was an invitation and not forced, nothing wrong.

Bump as many threads as you like. As long as someone is following Islam properly without causing harm to innocents (Muslim or non Muslim) or injustice that takes them out of the fold of Islam, all good. :afridi
 
RexRex said:
Where do you come up with this stuff ? You can talk about anything if they are your friends.
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He’s right. You don’t discuss those things with professional colleagues.

Unless you are talking about such a discussion being held outside of the professional environment where you are hanging out not as colleagues but as friend. But there is no way that that is a scenario applicable in Kaneria and Afridi’s case.
 
Danish isnt the epitome of trustworthiness. His cricket career will never be rid of the tag 'fixer'.

I must add though, he is playing on a theme which resonates - why is that there are some Muslims who believe that it is their birthright to preach and convert? I wonder what these guys' problem in life is?

I can see some people right on this thread "masahaallah he was trying to save you from hellfire", etc. This is the attitude that is reflected in creeps like Shezad who spoke out of turn to Dilshan.

No you do not have a right to preach to me. And no, while I respect your beliefs, your religion is by no means superior. Leave me alone.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
I can see some people right on this thread "masahaallah he was trying to save you from hellfire", etc. This is the attitude that is reflected in creeps like Shezad who spoke out of turn to Dilshan.
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I'd be ashamed to death if an Indian player was caught on camera on the field doing something similar.
 
Nothing he says is reliable till he provides evidence about it. A cheat's word can never be trusted.
 
Danish and his anti-Pakistan agenda will pop up once India starts doing shenanigans like they did in the Champions Trophy and now in Pahalgam.

BTW, His words are not credible anyways. He also said that he is not a fixer.
 
He said he has got love from the pakistani people but the ruler's haven't treated him well. What did they do to him?
 
We may disagree with Danish bhai but he is allowed to express his opinion.

Racism and discrmination is often subtle. Just recently in the UK we have had cases about racism in football and in cricket. The racism is sometimes subtle and leaves a person feeling left out but unable to pinpoint the exact reasons or have enough evidence to make a complaint.

None of us has lived a life like Kaneria had; we don't know what is causing him to speak this way bit many of us overseas Pakistanis have probably felt similar emotions in our workplaces, the feeling of being different, not part of the majority culture, the judgmental stuff around you don't drink at all", that Kaneria has no doubt felt.

It cannot be easy being a Hindu in a Pakistan. Especially when your religion is so closely related to the identity of the "enemy" country. How would Kaneria have felt when his COAS made comments about Hindus and Muslims being two separate civilisations? Not Indians and Pakistanis - but Hindus and Muslims. In his mind, his second-class status would have been confirmed.
 
MenInG said:
Dumped by his county for fixing. Yes, his words have a lot of integrity built-in.
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Yet the same fixing "legend" inzimam is heralded as a role model.

One was allowed to play after conviction. The other purged from the roster.
One has a beard. The other doesn't.
One has syed prefix. The other is dinesh.
One is offspring of a muslim peer. The other. A hindu.

Whilst both live in the land of the pure. islamic republick of pakistan.
 
Kaneria should be declared persona non gratta in Pakistan officially.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Danish kaneria is doing his usual shenanigans. India, please give him the nationality that he has been fighting for...LOL
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Remember that the next time you cry about religious discrimination in india or palestine. It's all shenanigans.
 
Kianig89 said:
What is Kaneria doing in Pak , why not seek asylum in delhi
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Also remember this when the next time you guys cry fake tears over Gaza or kashmir or some other opression. This is your thinking and mentality when someone raises religious opression.

You should at least be consistent in your logic and not a hypocrite. Every Prophet in every religion has said hypocrisy is one of the biggest sins.
 
I think such examples only show how in modern times religion is one of the biggest millstones around humanity and has no place in modern times.

It drags back every thing from sports performance to a country's progress itself. When you are obsessed with religion you don't progress in anything else.
 
Sachin fan said:
Also remember this when the next time you guys cry fake tears over Gaza or kashmir or some other opression. This is your thinking and mentality when someone raises religious opression.

You should at least be consistent in your logic and not a hypocrite. Every Prophet in every religion has said hypocrisy is one of the biggest sins.
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What oppression , Danish played for Pakistan and got respect he did spot fixing in County Still PCB fought for him until he pleaded in London.

He did not had any post cricket career henceforth the easy way out was to play Hindu Card.

It's not the Danish Kaneria was held hostage or abducted in Paksitan
 
Kianig89 said:
He did not had any post cricket career henceforth the easy way out was to play Hindu Card.
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inzimam had an even bigger career after match fix conviction in 1999. For close to a decade.

He was even made captain of cricket team of islamic republick of pakistan.

Possibly sunni muslim card. Played a counter role. The ominous beard and post-match religious utterances added a nice touch.
 
Farhan The Man said:
inzimam had an even bigger career after match fix conviction in 1999. For close to a decade.

He was even made captain of cricket team of islamic republick of pakistan.

Possibly sunni muslim card. Played a role. The ominous beard and post-match religious utterances added a nice touch.
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And what has this to do with Danish, who played for Pakistan under most religious Pakistan era , his captains were Inzi Moyo YK etc. He played for good 7 -8 years 61 Tests and has 250+ Test wickets second only to Abdul Qadir
 
This convicted fixer is a fraud who is using religious bigotry to remain relevant. No need to feed this troll.
 
Former Pakistan cricketer Danish Kaneria’s photo has been removed from Sawai Man Singh Stadium in Jaipur amid the rising tensions between India and Pakistan.

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Danish Kaneria's photo removed from Jaipur stadium amid India-Pakistan tensions

Former Pakistan cricketer Danish Kaneria's photo has been removed from the Sawai Man Singh Stadium in Jaipur amid the rising tensions between India and Pakistan.
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The Bald Eagle said:
Former Pakistan cricketer Danish Kaneria’s photo has been removed from Sawai Man Singh Stadium in Jaipur amid the rising tensions between India and Pakistan.

www.indiatoday.in

Danish Kaneria's photo removed from Jaipur stadium amid India-Pakistan tensions

Former Pakistan cricketer Danish Kaneria's photo has been removed from the Sawai Man Singh Stadium in Jaipur amid the rising tensions between India and Pakistan.
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Danish Kaneria (probably will): I was respected in India and they had my picture in the stadium but Pakistan forced them to turn against me because of my religion.
 
Kaneria's excuse here would be: Because I am Hindu, Pakistan forced India to remove his picture until he accepts Islam. BLAA BLAA
 
BouncerGuy said:
Kaneria's excuse here would be: Because I am Hindu, Pakistan forced India to remove his picture until he accepts Islam. BLAA BLAA
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And the fixing claims are still just allegations, the ban by ECB, the player's testimony against me and the subsequent two rejected appeals are just heresay, not concrete.
 
Farhan The Man said:
hindu. In pakistan. A islamic republick.

syed inzimam. Convicted of graver offenses. Of selling country to dogs. Treated with royalty instead.

Nail. Head. Hammer.
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Danish is a fixer as banned from ICC... Anything else left to say now???
 
A convicted fixer. As chief selector of pakistan.

Royalty personified. Double standard epitomized.

Just cuz he wears a beard and skullcap. The other one doesn't.


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Farhan The Man said:
hindu. In pakistan. A islamic republick.

syed inzimam. Convicted of graver offenses. Of selling country to dogs. Treated with royalty instead.

Nail. Head. Hammer.
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Did you learn English from the same madrassah as well which you fondly speak of in every post of yours? Republic.
 
Lets be honest, there has been numerous fixers in Pakistan cricket over the years. PCB always stood behind them and tried to do some background effort to get them back into cricket. In fact we can make a 15 member squad of Pak fixers. However, only Danish Kaneria was left to rot in doldrums due this religion and faith. No other reason...baaki sab bahane hai. People can argue otherwise as much as they want but this is the sad reality.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Former Pakistan cricketer Danish Kaneria’s photo has been removed from Sawai Man Singh Stadium in Jaipur amid the rising tensions between India and Pakistan.

www.indiatoday.in

Danish Kaneria's photo removed from Jaipur stadium amid India-Pakistan tensions

Former Pakistan cricketer Danish Kaneria's photo has been removed from the Sawai Man Singh Stadium in Jaipur amid the rising tensions between India and Pakistan.
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Lol, this loser Hindu's attempt at appealing to Indians has failed badly. But he can keep crying.
 
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