Shamima Begum loses citizenship removal appeal bid [Post Updated #689]

[Technics 1210]

Shamima should be penalized. No doubt.

However, some of our liberal posters are overlooking the interference of western intelligence. Question is how many such cases happened where western intelligence resorted to entrapment and grooming?

They had the opportunity to stop Shamima from reaching Syria but they didn't. Why?

The number of times MI5, MI6, and the UK Police have confirmed a terrorist was on their watch list AFTER the crime was committed is shocking. All documented.

These intelligence services let the game pan out, because like you say, they can stop these acts before they are committed, but no, they need to justify Liberal action, because no prevention means no game.

 

[The_KING]

Good decision by the court. Shamima shouldn’t be allowed back in the UK at any cost. When she decided to join ISIS, she made her bed, now she has to lie in it.

 

[the Great Khan]

Nil.

She was met in Turkiye by an ISIL operative who had been turned by Canadian intelligence. He wasn’t part of her decision to go to ISIL, but he did give her a lift to the Syrian border.

It’s not known whether he shared this information with his paymasters in Montreal. He gave them the names of other ISIL operatives in several countries.

Incorrect..she ticks all the markers for being groomed..the judge has said so..a sad day for the sons and daughters of the victims of colonisation.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I totally agree with you and in a big way it’s a huge positive that they are making an example out of her given those who operate between that grey area.

However, I am not sure if taking her citizenship is right. She should be punished and penalised in the UK. Them taking her citizenship so swiftly has set a precedent that this could happen to anyone from a minority background and not just for this crime, I fear especially with far right sentiment growing and these folk being appeased to, it wouldn’t surprise me if they target the normal folk like us because our citizenship is not going to be treated on a level playing field as English folk with deeper ties to the country. The Tories are going to lose the elections and am not a fan of theirs but we will see a rise in far right political movements to.

The public has indeed moved towards the right.

I mean even on PP you see posters churning out the usual alt right edge lord nonsense.

I think there has been a reasonable amount of push back on the state on this issue. They have thrown a bone to the right wingers with the Shamima case but will tread more carefully in future.

 

[SalimBhai]

Any concrete evidence of grooming? If so can you provide? Her testimony counters that

 

[KingKhanWC]

She was groomed and promised a marriage online. It can be easily argued otherwise why are you asking for a female to come to Syria. To wage war? No. To marry off.

I'm absolutely baffled by your posts

Carry on

I wouldnt be too baffled, there are many in the UK who are happy for a child to be groomed and sent to be raped by terrorists as long as the child isnt a white girl who drinks, does drugs and was groomed by older Asian men.

You are not a Muslim but you are respected even if your views are opposing because you say as you see it. We both agree with the UK law, a 15 year old is a child cannot consent but some people in the UK are either frankly too stupid to understand this basic law or will ignore and support refusing a person who was a child to return. These same will cry if a girl is groomed for sexual assault here in the UK. They have as much credibility as George Bush and Bliars WMD claim. This immoral sick war was the root cause of what is occurring in this case.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Incorrect..she ticks all the markers for being groomed..the judge has said so..a sad day for the sons and daughters of the victims of colonisation.

There doesnt need to be any markers. A Canadian intel agent took her from Turkey to Syria while she was a child. This is human trafficking.

The reason why the UK government is so strongly opposed to her return is simply she will expose western intel roles in grooming her and then trafficking her.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Is there something wrong with being anti ISIS?.

Not at all but you and others are supporting ISIS by supporting western intel agents trafficking children to them. Or being an apologist for them.

ISIS were created after the immoral evil Iraq invasion of 2003.

The leaders/creators of ISIS were all in Camp Buca, all turned to become agents of the west to start up this terrorist organistion which in reality was a mercenary group being paid by the Yanks. Hence why children from the west were being groomed by western agents to send to their ISIS friends.

 

[Robert]

There doesnt need to be any markers. A Canadian intel agent took her from Turkey to Syria while she was a child. This is human trafficking.

The reason why the UK government is so strongly opposed to her return is simply she will expose western intel roles in grooming her and then trafficking her.

You persist in this distortion of the truth.

Once again, Rasheed is a Syrian man from Rakka, an ISIL operative, who became an asset for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service while continuing to work for ISIL. He didn’t groom Begum, though he trafficked her.

Did he report the trafficking to CSIS? We will never know. If he did, could CSIS have stopped it? They could have warned Turkish police to look for Begum and her friends. If they knew what he was doing.

 

[Robert]

Incorrect..she ticks all the markers for being groomed..the judge has said so..a sad day for the sons and daughters of the victims of colonisation.

Which judge, out of interest?

It’s a sad day for white liberals too.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You persist in this distortion of the truth.

Once again, Rasheed is a Syrian man from Rakka, an ISIL operative, who became an asset for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service while continuing to work for ISIL. He didn’t groom Begum, though he trafficked her.

Did he report the trafficking to CSIS? We will never know. If he did, could CSIS have stopped it? They could have warned Turkish police to look for Begum and her friends. If they knew what he was doing.

You've listened to some nonsense BBC podcast trying to distort the truth and think you know it all.

Read what you write Robert.

How the heck did you think he got into a position of meeting her in Turkey? He had communications with her prior, thats why. Its grooming. Please stop being an apologist for child abuse.

 

[Zaz]

Its a sad day for british minorities who expect a justice from the british "justice' system

What happened to being a child who was brainwashed, abused and groomed? Or is that right specifically only for white teens under 16?

 

[Robert]

You've listened to some nonsense BBC podcast trying to distort the truth and think you know it all.

Read what you write Robert.

Not all, but I think I know more about it than you.

I’m deliberate, considered and specific in what I write. I apply Occam’s Razor. I don’t jump to unsupported conclusions.

How the heck did you think he got into a position of meeting her in Turkey? He had communications with her prior, thats why. Its grooming. Please stop being an apologist for child abuse.

That’s a baseless assumption by you.

Begum says she never knew of Rasheed until landing in Turkiye and contacting ISIL operatives.

Begum’s school friend Sharmeema enticed her to Turkiye. Shamima never spoke to Rasheed until she met him in Turkiye and he trafficked her.

This is Shamima Begum’s own testimony..

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not all, but I think I know more about it than you.

I’m deliberate, considered and specific in what I write. I apply Occam’s Razor. I don’t jump to unsupported conclusions.




That’s a baseless assumption by you.

Begum says she never knew of Rasheed until landing in Turkiye and contacting ISIL operatives.

Begum’s school friend Sharmeema enticed her to Turkiye. Shamima never spoke to Rasheed until she met him in Turkiye and he trafficked her.

This is Shamima Begum’s own testimony..

Dozens of children(girls) have gone to Syria, all groomed. You are applying your own daft logic not anything else.

Thankfully we have some decent people still in the UK.

Reprieve’s report states ' “Shamima Begum was groomed online as a child and taken to Syria by a Canadian intelligence spy. She should be protected as a trafficked British teenage girl would be in any other context.”

But please continue defending your western governments, it wasnt too long ago you defended the Iraq war but realised you had no argument.

 

[Technics 1210]

Dozens of children(girls) have gone to Syria, all groomed. You are applying your own daft logic not anything else.

Thankfully we have some decent people still in the UK.

Reprieve’s report states ' “Shamima Begum was groomed online as a child and taken to Syria by a Canadian intelligence spy. She should be protected as a trafficked British teenage girl would be in any other context.”

But please continue defending your western governments, it wasnt too long ago you defended the Iraq war but realised you had no argument.

Even the leftist of left UK newspapers have reported SB was groomed, and this was about 3 years ago!

I suspect the Liberals will now question the credibility of the journalist.

Shamima Begum was groomed. She deserves the chance of rehabilitation

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...mima-begum-grooming-islamic-state-pregnant-uk

 

[KingKhanWC]

Even the leftist of left UK newspapers have reported SB was groomed, and this was about 3 years ago!

I suspect the Liberals will now question the credibility of the journalist.

Shamima Begum was groomed. She deserves the chance of rehabilitation

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...mima-begum-grooming-islamic-state-pregnant-uk

Dogs with rabies have more compassion than some here in the UK.

The UK and other western governments should be working hard finding ALL the other child girls who were trafficked but of course when you are behind it, you will want to hide it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not all, but I think I know more about it than you.

I’m deliberate, considered and specific in what I write. I apply Occam’s Razor. I don’t jump to unsupported conclusions.




That’s a baseless assumption by you.

Begum says she never knew of Rasheed until landing in Turkiye and contacting ISIL operatives.

Begum’s school friend Sharmeema enticed her to Turkiye. Shamima never spoke to Rasheed until she met him in Turkiye and he trafficked her.

This is Shamima Begum’s own testimony..

Begums says this too but youve not been made privy to this on your fav podcast?

"Begum claimed during the interview that she was groomed by friends and older men online, maybe for months. She said, “(I was) groomed for weeks and weeks and maybe even months and months. It wasn’t just a decision I made very quickly, it was a decision I thought about for a while”. She added that she did not hate Britain but her life. She said, “I didn’t hate Britain, I hated my life really. I felt very constricted, and I felt I couldn’t live the life that I wanted in the UK as a British woman.”

https://www.opindia.com/2021/11/shamima-begum-groomed-by-older-men-online-isis/

 

[Firebat]

She's a British citizen who has committed a (despicable) crime, thus she should be tried and punished here. Just like any other British citizen who has harmed or attempted to harm fellow Britons. Citizenship should be a protected right.

 

[Robert]

Dozens of children(girls) have gone to Syria, all groomed. You are applying your own daft logic not anything else.

Thankfully we have some decent people still in the UK.

Reprieve’s report states ' “Shamima Begum was groomed online as a child and taken to Syria by a Canadian intelligence spy. She should be protected as a trafficked British teenage girl would be in any other context.”

But please continue defending your western governments, it wasnt too long ago you defended the Iraq war but realised you had no argument.

We are talking about Begum not your dozens so stop obfuscating.

Defeat my ideas with reason. If you do that I will listen. You have succeeded a couple of times.

So I’m not decent suddenly? As so often, when your arguments make no headway you get personal. As you well know I have called again and again for Begum’s return to UK. The Home Secretary’s decision to revoke her citizenship was in my view iniquitous.

 

[Robert]

She's a British citizen who has committed a (despicable) crime, thus she should be tried and punished here. Just like any other British citizen who has harmed or attempted to harm fellow Britons. Citizenship should be a protected right.

What do you allege is her crime? To have joined a proscribed organisation?

 

[Robert]

Begums says this too but youve not been made privy to this on your fav podcast?

"Begum claimed during the interview that she was groomed by friends and older men online, maybe for months. She said, “(I was) groomed for weeks and weeks and maybe even months and months. It wasn’t just a decision I made very quickly, it was a decision I thought about for a while”. She added that she did not hate Britain but her life. She said, “I didn’t hate Britain, I hated my life really. I felt very constricted, and I felt I couldn’t live the life that I wanted in the UK as a British woman.”

https://www.opindia.com/2021/11/shamima-begum-groomed-by-older-men-online-isis/

She didn’t say that in podcast volume 2. It might be in volume 1. I will have a listen. She has changed her story from “older men” to her school friend Sharmeema since.

 

[sweep_shot]

Shamima made a mistake and it is UK's decision whether to allow her or not (trafficking of western intelligence aside).

But, this case has highlighted one thing. There seems to be one set of rules for white minors and another set of rules for colored minors.

This case has also highlighted that intelligence agencies (CIA, MI6 etc.) often behave like criminal organizations.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We are talking about Begum not your dozens so stop obfuscating.

Defeat my ideas with reason. If you do that I will listen. You have succeeded a couple of times.

So I’m not decent suddenly? As so often, when your arguments make no headway you get personal. As you well know I have called again and again for Begum’s return to UK. The Home Secretary’s decision to revoke her citizenship was in my view iniquitous.

I think you are better than this, so more disappointed than anything. Im sure you'd feel the same if I was suggesting a 15 year old white girl wanted to have intimate relations , drink booze and do drugs with a 50 year old man. We have to be consistent and have our views according to the law, which is clear. Anyone under 16 cannot consent. Shamima was taken to Syria by a male man who worked for western intel. Its no different/

She didn’t say that in podcast volume 2. It might be in volume 1. I will have a listen. She has changed her story from “older men” to her school friend Sharmeema since.

This was an interview with Sky News on 22 November 2021. She says months of grooming.

The law also needs to be fair to all.

Check this out.

Charges against Rhianan Rudd, then 15, were dropped after evidence proved she had been groomed online by rightwing extremists

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...terror-charges-is-wake-up-call-about-grooming

Yet Shamima doesnt even get a fair trial.

We know why. The UK and US have long been involved in supporting terrorists abroad to attack the Assad government.

 

[MenInG]

The BBC has defended its recent coverage of Shamima Begum following hundreds of complaints against the broadcaster. In January, the BBC launched the Shamima Begum Story, a 10-part podcast and accompanying BBC Two programme in which Ms Begum discusses her decision to join ISIS. According to the most recent figures, the BBC has received 387 complaints who felt it was "inappropriate to feature a podcast and documentary about Shamima Begum".

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...tp&cvid=c85078331c744f39b3b1e890e77d584b&ei=8

 

[MenInG]

Jonathan Hall QC has warned that Britain is in danger of falling out of step with allies like the US which has accepted the return of Islamic state women and their children.

Ms Begum is one of an estimated 60 British women and children held by the Kurdish authorities in Syria, some of whom have been stripped of their citizenship.

Many, however, have not had their citizenship removed but have no travel documents and no means of leaving Syria without the British government’s co-operation.

Mr Hall is concerned that Isil remains active in the camps where the women and children are being held, raising fear that they could be exploited by extremists to become “cubs of the caliphate”.

His comments, in a speech on Monday, follows the rejection by a special immigration tribunal of her appeal against the removal of her citizenship in 2019 by Sajid Javid, then the home secretary. It ruled that the Government acted lawfully to protect national security.

Bethany Haines, whose father David, an aid worker, was beheaded by Isis in 2014, told LBC the decision was right because Ms Begum posed “a direct risk to all who are around her” and the UK justice system could not deal with her.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...p&cvid=116ed87dcbb149ea82649ddc675dfc9d&ei=26

 

[MenInG]

Shamima Begum's best friend, whom she says inspired her to join IS, has been tracked down by the BBC having escaped from a detention camp in Syria.

Sharmeena Begum, no relation, dismissed her former friend, who wants to return to the UK, for "living off benefits" and mocked her as a non-believer.

The BBC also found Sharmeena was fundraising online for members of the IS terror group, which is illegal.

A top Syrian commander fears money like this is helping IS to regroup.

Posing as an Islamic State (IS) sympathiser, a journalist from the Shamima Begum Story podcast contacted Sharmeena online after she escaped from Syria's Camp Hol prison for women who were with IS, and their children.

Sharmeena is still in Syria, in hiding and using a different identity.

She was a schoolmate of Shamima Begum, in Bethnal Green, east London, when, in December 2014, Sharmeena suddenly went missing. She had run away to join the self-styled Islamic State terror group in Syria.

Found on social media
Two months later Shamima and two other friends followed their ex-schoolmate to the so-called caliphate that had been set up by IS.

Shamima went on to marry an IS fighter and have three children, all of whom died. After the collapse of IS in 2019 she was found living in a camp in Syria, and stripped of her British citizenship.

Shamima maintains it was Sharmeena who convinced her to join IS and follow in her footsteps.

The BBC tracked Sharmeena Begum down having been given a tip-off about a social media account she was using.

During our exchanges with her, Sharmeena claimed her one-time friend was "just another individual, living off the benefits" who did not contribute at all.

She says Shamima only came to Syria because "she just followed her friends into what became the biggest misery of her life".

Despite speculation that Shamima Begum had worked in Hisba - the IS religious police - and made suicide belts, Sharmeena says such theories were "such an insult".

She says Shamima did not leave her house unless her husband was away because he would not allow her out.

Shamima Begum, 15 when she joined the self-styled Islamic State, followed her friend Sharmeena
In her exchanges with the BBC, she mocked Shamima as a failure and a non-believer, saying she had ruined the image of the women who had joined IS.

A former IS member has told the BBC Sharmeena is fanatical even by the standards of IS. When asked if she regretted joining IS, Sharmeena skirted over the question, saying only she didn't want to come back to Britain and go to jail.

It's difficult to know how seriously to take Sharmeena's description of her former schoolfriend's activities, given Shamima's legal attempts to return to the UK.

For her part, Shamima said her one-time friend played a big role in convincing her to travel to Syria in the first place.

"Sharmeena was, you know, talking to us face-to-face about, you know, coming to ISIS.

"I was being manipulated into thinking this was the right thing to do and I was being manipulated with lies about where I would be going and what I would be doing.

"I mean, in my opinion, even though Sharmeena probably is still radical. I will say she was also a victim of ISIS."

Shamima herself has previously accepted she joined a terror group when she fled Britain and she understands the public anger towards her.

While living in hiding, Sharmeema Begum has been fundraising with the proceeds getting into the hands of IS. She has been posting stories on social media and messaging platforms, about conditions in detention camps, and appealing for Bitcoin. She has cultivated followers around the world as she asks people to send her cash for the women held in the camps.

Explosive belts

It's not clear how much she has raised in total, but one account revealed 29 transactions with deposits totalling $3,000 (£2,450). She is also using other accounts and other cryptocurrencies.

When asked why she was raising money for a terror group, Sharmeena claimed she was "simply feeding and clothing women and children who are poor".

The commander of the Syrian Democratic Forces which guards detainees at Camp Hol, said IS is regrouping and is smuggling money into the camps, which can be used to buy weapons, and plan escapes and attacks.

"If we... look at the camps, there are little children who are a few years old and are being raised on the ideology of how to kill," said Gen Newroz Ahmed. She says her people are among those being targeted and killed.

The camp is home to more than 65,000 people and 57 nationalities, and guards there say they have found grenades, guns and explosive belts that have been smuggled in. They say 50 people have been murdered there in a six-month period.

In January, the United States and Turkey announced joint action to disrupt the transfer of money to the Islamic State group.

BBC

 

[KingKhanWC]

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"I was being manipulated into thinking this was the right thing to do and I was being manipulated with lies about where I would be going and what I would be doing.

"I mean, in my opinion, even though Sharmeena probably is still radical. I will say she was also a victim of ISIS."

Seems all the girls were groomed by the western intelligence.

 

[Firebat]

It's a dangerous precedent IMO to be stripping citizenships. Whatever radicalisation or grooming that happened to this British teenage girl happened on British soil, it should be dealt with in Britain. She's hardly a danger to society now.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Shamima Begum a victim of trafficking when she left Britain for Syria, court told

Shamima Begum’s lawyers argued before the court of appeal on Tuesday that it was unlawful to deprive her of British citizenship because she was a victim of trafficking when she left the UK for Islamic State territory in Syria at 15.

Samantha Knights KC, her barrister, told the start of a three-day hearing that the Home Office and a lower court had failed to properly consider whether she was groomed – and called for the decision to be overturned.

Knights accused Sajid Javid, the then home secretary who removed her citizenship, of having failed to consider whether Begum, then a schoolgirl in east London, was groomed and trafficked and so breached anti-slavery protections in British law.

“The appellant’s trafficking was a mandatory, relevant consideration in determining whether it was conducive to the public good and proportionate to deprive her of citizenship, but it was not considered by the Home Office,” Knights said in a written submission. “As a consequence, the deprivation decision was unlawful.”

An initial decision upholding Javid’s ruling by the special immigration appeals commission (Siac) made in February this year, should also be overturned by the appeal court on similar grounds, Knights added.

Although the Siac court had acknowledged there was credible suspicion that Begum “was recruited, transferred and then harboured for the purpose of sexual exploitation”, that was “insufficient” for the commission to deem the home secretary’s decision unlawful, in its ruling.

MSN

 

[FearlessRoar]

International pressure is mounting on government ministers to allow the repatriation of 'jihadi brides' who fled the UK to join ISIS.

Lobby efforts spearheaded by US government may result in the return of many brides, including Shamima Begum, one of three British schoolgirls who left East London for Syria eight years ago.

Former Home Secretary Suella Braverman is said to have strongly opposed the plan in the weeks leading up to her dismissal by the Prime Minister last month.

According to reports, Ms Braverman objected to the direction taken by the Foreign Office's push under James Cleverly, citing security concerns about allowing these women to return.

A security source is reported by Mail Online as saying: "We think there could be dozens of these women, and each one would need to be monitored 24/7 by a team of specialist police officers, which would be a massive drain on resources."

Shamima Begum, then 15, travelled to Syria to join the Islamic State in 2015.

Her British citizenship was revoked shortly after she was discovered in a refugee camp in February 2019 on national security grounds.

According to UK charities working to return these women, there are approximately 20 British jihadi brides and approximately 40 children still present in Middle Eastern refugee camps following the fall of the Islamic State.

The Mail Online reports that Washington has been urging the UK to repatriate its citizens who are either being held in Kurdish prisons or living in refugee camps in northern Syria.

Following the expulsion of the Islamic State from Syria by Kurdish forces with American support in 2019, male fighters, including British men, were detained in northern prisons, while women and children were detained in two refugee camps.

Source: Daily Express

 

[FearlessRoar]

Shamima Begum has lost an appeal against the removal of her British citizenship.

The east London schoolgirl, now 24, travelled to Syria in 2015 at the age of 15, before her citizenship was revoked on national security grounds shortly after she was found in a refugee camp in 2019.

After a series of legal battles, Ms Begum lost a challenge at the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) in February last year - but took her case to the Court of Appeal in October.

This morning Dame Sue Carr, one of the appeal judges who ruled on the case, said that they agreed with the commission's decision on Ms Begum's citizenship and dismissed her appeal.

The judge said: "Ms Begum may well have been influenced and manipulated by others but still have made a calculated decision to travel to Syria and align with ISIL [Islamic State]."

She added: "It could be argued the decision in Ms Begum's case was harsh. It could also be argued that Ms Begum is the author of her own misfortune.

"But it is not for this court to agree or disagree with either point of view.

"The only task of the court was to assess whether the deprivation decision was unlawful. Since it was not, Ms Begum's appeal is dismissed."

Ms Begum, who remains in a refugee camp in northern Syria, was represented at her appeal by Samantha Knights KC, who argued the government had failed to consider legal duties owed to a potential victim of trafficking.

But the Home Office, represented by Sir James Eadie KC, said the "key feature" of Ms Begum's case is national security.

Ms Begum's legal team is likely to appeal the latest ruling, with arguments over the consequences of today's judgment adjourned for seven days.

Her solicitor Daniel Furner said "we are not going to stop fighting until she does get justice and until she is safely back home".

One of her lawyers, Gareth Peirce, told Sky News home editor Jason Farrell ahead of the hearing: "As long as she is there, it is not the end."

Speaking after the ruling she said it was too early to say whether they would take the case to the Supreme Court but urged the government to follow other countries and repatriate Ms Begum without being forced by the courts.

A Home Office spokesperson said: "We are pleased that the Court of Appeal has found in favour of our position in this case.

"Our priority remains maintaining the safety and security of the UK and we will robustly defend any decision made in doing so".

Announcing the SIAC decision last February, Mr Justice Jay said "the real merits of Ms Begum's case" involved her arguments that she had been the victim of trafficking.

The tribunal found there was a "credible suspicion" Ms Begum was "recruited, transferred and then harboured for the purpose of sexual exploitation".

Ms Knights and Dan Squires KC argued at the Court of Appeal that the UK has failed to have a "full and effective" investigation into how Ms Begum was trafficked.

However, the SIAC had also found that Mr Javid was not required to formally consider whether Ms Begum was, or might have been, trafficked when deciding to strip her British citizenship.

Sir James said: "The fact that someone is radicalised, and may have been manipulated, is not inconsistent with the assessment that they pose a national security risk.

"Ms Begum contends that national security should not be a 'trump' card.

"But the public should not be exposed to risks to national security because events and circumstances have conspired to give rise to that risk."

In the 42-page Court of Appeal judgment, the judges said they were "not persuaded that there was any obligation on the secretary of state to take into account the possibility that there might be a duty to investigate the circumstances of Ms Begum's trafficking."

They found SIAC was entitled to find "that the issue of whether and to what extent Ms Begum's travel to Syria had been voluntary was within the expertise of the intelligence agencies advising the secretary of state".

Sky News

Shamima Begum: East London schoolgirl loses appeal against removal of UK citizenship

The 24-year-old's legal battle is likely to continue as one of her lawyers said "as long as she is there, it is not the end".

news.sky.com

 

[FearlessRoar]

Stripping Shamima Begun of her citizenship, leaving her in Syria, effectively stateless, says as much about us as a nation as it does about her.

 

[sweep_shot]

Looks like Shamima would have to stay in Syria for now. She should look to settle in Syria and avoid wrong crowds.

 

[CricketCartoons]

This is the fault of giving citizenship to immigrants easily. Any immigrant should not be given citizenship and voting right for at least two generations. Just give them legal resident status till then.

 

[sweep_shot]

This is the fault of giving citizenship to immigrants easily. Any immigrant should not be given citizenship and voting right for at least two generations. Just give them legal resident status till then.

That would affect Indians too.

A large percentage of immigrants are from India.

 

[CricketCartoons]

That would affect Indians too.

A large percentage of immigrants are from India.

As if I am not aware of that. Sorry if you thought I want it only for non indian immigrants.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

As if I am not aware of that. Sorry if you thought I want it only for non indian immigrants.

Bhaisaheb, should India also deny voting rights and citizenship to immigrants from our eastern border

 

[CricketCartoons]

Bhaisaheb, should India also deny voting rights and citizenship to immigrants from our eastern border

Yes, for two generations. It doesn't take away anything. Immigrants can legally work and earn and all that, but to become participants in the decision making, that shouldn't be given so easily.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bhaisaheb, should India also deny voting rights and citizenship to immigrants from our eastern border

There are Indian immigrants in Bangladesh too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indians_in_Bangladesh.

Don't act like it is a one way street.

There are hundreds of thousands of Indians in Bangladesh. Citing the results of a survey, a column in The Financial Express claims that as many as 500,000 - 1,000,000 Indians were staying illegally in Bangladesh in 2022.[1][2][3] The article claims that they were found working in different establishments such as NGOs, garments, textile, IT and sent money back home through hundi transfer systems.[1]

On 26 June 2021, Bangladeshi army patrolmen arrested 11 Indians from the construction site of Padma Bridge. They were detained immediately, and cases were filed against them for illegally trespassing. "They appeared to be acting abnormally," said the superintendent of police (Naria circle) in Shariatpur. They were sent to jail again after confirming their stable mental condition in a mental healthcare centre.[4]

 

[CricketCartoons]

There are Indian immigrants in Bangladesh too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indians_in_Bangladesh.

Don't act like it is a one way street.

Do you know the religious demography of these illegal indian immigrants?

 

[boomboomcheema]

There are Indian immigrants in Bangladesh too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indians_in_Bangladesh.

Don't act like it is a one way street.

Wow, over a Million Indians in Bangladesh. What are citizens of such a Superpower doing in Bangladesh ?

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Wow, over a Million Indians in Bangladesh. What are citizens of such a Superpower doing in Bangladesh ?

Another country with a much better economy than Pakistan

Should look up their religious demography, as CC bro said in the post above. Not sure they are immigrating for economic reasons

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Any country is free to the same to illegal Indians too, incl Bangladesh @sweep_shot

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This is the fault of giving citizenship to immigrants easily. Any immigrant should not be given citizenship and voting right for at least two generations. Just give them legal resident status till then.

Two generations is a long time.

Do you think two generations as a second class citizen will stop people from becoming Shamima Begums?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Two generations is a long time.

Do you think two generations as a second class citizen will stop people from becoming Shamima Begums?

They will be legal residents. They have to be citizen first to be even called second class citizens.

At least it will make the immigrants value the citizenship which they receive in the third generation.

Rules and laws get broken every time, so there should not be rules. Is that your argument?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Rules and laws get broken every time, so there should not be rules. Is that your argument?

No it's not my argument.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

UN experts urge Britain to repatriate former ‘Daesh bride’ Shamima Begum

A group of United Nations experts on Wednesday urged Britain to repatriate a woman stripped of her citizenship after leaving the country aged 15 to marry a Daesh fighter.

Shamima Begum, now 24 and living in a refugee camp in northern Syria, lost an appeal last month against the decision to remove her British citizenship.

A group of five UN special rapporteurs voiced deep concern at the February 23 ruling, and urged Britain to provide Begum with protection — including repatriation — and review the decision to revoke her citizenship.

“Begum remains stripped of her citizenship, vulnerable, and denied assistance and protection as a possible victim of trafficking,” the experts said.

“Protections owed to victims of trafficking and those at risk of trafficking, especially children, must be respected to be meaningful,” they said.

England’s Court of Appeal rejected all five arguments presented by Begum. The risk to national security took precedence over whether she had been a potential victim of trafficking, it ruled.

Begum could still take her case to the UK Supreme Court.

Begum, whose family is of Bangladeshi origin, left her east London home for Syria with two school friends in 2015.

While there, she married a fighter with the Daesh militant group and had three children, none of whom survived.

In 2019, Begum had argued she was left de facto stateless when Britain’s then interior minister Sajid Javid revoked her citizenship on national security grounds.

The appeal court however ruled that his decision had not been unlawful, as Begum had Bangladeshi citizenship through her parents until her 21st birthday. Javid did not therefore need to consider the realistic likelihood of her being permitted to enter Bangladesh.

In their statement, the UN experts argued: “There is a credible suspicion that Ms Begum was recruited, transferred and then harbored for the purpose of sexual exploitation.

“Human trafficking is an international crime, a form of modern slavery.”

The statement was issued by the special rapporteurs on people trafficking, on contemporary slavery, on human rights while countering terrorism, on the sale and sexual exploitation of children, and on violence against women.

Special rapporteurs are mandated by the UN Human Rights Council but are independent experts and do not speak for the United Nations.

UN experts urge Britain to repatriate former ‘Daesh bride’ Shamima Begum

GENEVA: A group of United Nations experts on Wednesday urged Britain to repatriate a woman stripped of her citizenship after leaving the country aged 15 to marry a Daesh fighter. Shamima Begum, now 24 and living in a refugee camp in northern Syria, lost an appeal last month against the decision...

www.arabnews.pk

 

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Shamima Begum loses bid to challenge removal of her British citizenship​

Shamima Begum has lost her initial bid to challenge the removal of her British citizenship at the Supreme Court.

Last year, Ms Begum lost her first appeal against the decision to revoke her citizenship on national security grounds at the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC), after she was found in a Syrian refugee camp following her travel to the country as a 15-year-old in 2015.

Earlier this year, three judges at the Court of Appeal unanimously dismissed her bid to overturn the SIAC decision.

On Monday, a judicial spokesperson confirmed that Ms Begum had asked the Court of Appeal for the green light to take her case to the Supreme Court, but had been refused.

Ms Begum may now ask the Supreme Court directly for permission to have her case heard by the UK’s highest court.

Dismissing her Court of Appeal challenge in February, the Lady Chief Justice Baroness Carr, said: “It could be argued the decision in Ms Begum’s case was harsh.

“It could also be argued that Ms Begum is the author of her own misfortune, but it is not for this court to agree or disagree with either point of view.

“The only task of the court was to assess whether the deprivation decision was unlawful.

“Since it was not, Ms Begum’s appeal is dismissed.”

Following this decision, Ms Begum’s solicitor Daniel Furner said: “I want to say that I’m sorry to Shamima and to her family that after five years of fighting she still hasn’t received justice in a British court, and to promise her and promise the Government that we are not going to stop fighting until she does get justice and until she is safely back home.”

Shamima Begum loses bid to challenge removal of her British citizenship

Ms Begum may now ask the Supreme Court directly for permission to have her case heard by the UK’s highest court

www.independent.co.uk

 

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Shamima Begum loses citizenship removal appeal bid​

Shamima Begum will not be allowed to challenge the removal of her British citizenship at the Supreme Court, judges have ruled.

The 24-year-old had hoped to overturn the government decision to revoke her citizenship on national security grounds after she travelled to Syria as a teenager to join the Islamic State group.

Justices at the the UK's highest court said Ms Begum could not appeal against an earlier Court of Appeal ruling.

They said the grounds of her case "do not raise an arguable point of law".

Ms Begum, who left Bethnal Green, east London, with two schoolfriends in 2015, was later found in a Syrian refugee camp.

Shamima Begum loses citizenship removal appeal bid

The 24-year-old will not be allowed to challenge the removal of her British citizenship at the Supreme Court.

www.bbc.com