Shan Masood now averages 28 after 50 Test innings - worst ever for any Pakistan batsman in history!

[W63L35]

You cannot whatabout on selection issues or compare diff decisions by diff boards.

[/QUOTE]
It depends on the situation and the player..... Imran Tahir who never had a chance to get selected in a sqaud of 16 for Pakistan, was a world class bowler for South Africa. Kevin Peterson was another example who left his country and went to play for England.

PCB selectors are notoriously famous for playing with the career of the players like Shan Masood like a yo-yo i.e. select for 2 matches, drop for 8-10 matches, select for 2 again and then drop for 10 matches.

That is exactly what happened with Shan Masood. Please see my post above where I show how/when he got selected and how/when he got dropped - very unfairly. No other board (NZ, ENG, AUS, SAF) does that to it's players.

The reality is that most decisions are a function also of how the team is performing; how much credit mgmt/selectors have in bank to carry underperforming player; how strongly replacement candidates are making their case for selection.

An above average performing team can afford to carry a poor performing player averaging 25-30 odd (think Ganguly 2003-05; Hussey around 2009; Collingwood 2010).

Let's apply your logic to West Indies and Bangladesh. Their openers are averaging pretty low..... their teams are perfoming below average yet they are playing openers with 23-28 average. In fact KOA Powell averages 23 as an opener. JD Campell averages 26.

Why do you think teams like WI and BD can afford to play these openers?

South African Erwee is averaging 25 in his 9 tests.

Either this is because the player

a. Is a young player with high ceiling whom mgmt believes in
b. Is a proven high performance player in a middle stage of his career going through a trough wherein mgmt feels that he can come out of and go back to averaging 40-45+ for a reasonable period of time

c. Is a grizzled veteran coming to the close of his career offering poor output on field but giving intangible value to team morale and guidance off field. Management may just be trying to get him over the line for his last big series before transitioning.

Unfortunately PCB selector don't work with any logic. Perosnal opions, vested intersts and propaganda are very common tools to drop/select players for our teams. We the fans (a lot of them) operate the same way.

For example...social media was buzzing with the "opinion" that Babar is playing his close friends in the team. Now with Afridi's appointment, a lot of people are speculating that he is going to bring in the players of his personal liking i.e Shajeel, Umar Akmal, etc.

With Shan, he has an average of 28 and even his biggest supporter would concede that best case that average ceiling would be around 36-38.
Since he is a comeback man that too at mid 30s age, expectation is that he can produce output immediately at 36-38 avg level and shepherd batting inns. There is no scope to give him 5-10 tests to 'find his feet'.

I am not a fan/supporter of Shan Masood. Yes, an average of 28 is low.... but I am only pointing out the inconsistencies, bias etc of the selection processes.

We fans no less bias either..... for example....we create a thread asking for Shan Masood's head because he averages only 28 after 50 innings..... but I did not see a thread asking for Abid Ali's return who averaged 49.16 as an opener...if batting average was the main criteria! Do you know why?

 

[Captain_00]

Shan Masood has all the necessary skills to succeed at the top level!! It’s only a matter of time he will start to get big runs! He has looked the part in every game he has played in both tests and t20s!! He is a must at number 3 moving forward. If Barbar is to removed as captain then Shan is the obvious candidate for the captaincy across all formats! He is fit and speaks well and can be around for another 5+ years to turn this side into a very successful one!!

 

[Amjid Javed]

I'm Shan has called in the usual favours to get selected again. He will keep filling the sirafishi / nepotism quota in the team.

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

Whenever I see Shan Masood, the tone of Abdul Bari comes to mind.

M Shan Masood hun, m acha bacha hun, main english bolta hun, m sabki bat sunta hun, kabhi behans naii karta, coaches ko b bht pasand ata hun, Papa mere PCB m thy...

 

[WengerOut]

I could be wrong, but doesn't Kohli average less than 28 in the last 3 years?

 

[Captain_00]

I'm Shan has called in the usual favours to get selected again. He will keep filling the sirafishi / nepotism quota in the team.

That’s not true, he scored heavily in English domestic season and earned his place in Pakistan on merit! What has sifarish and nepotism got to do with it? His record in past year speaks for itself!

 

[Saj]

I could be wrong, but doesn't Kohli average less than 28 in the last 3 years?

He also averages 48.90 in Tests and has 27 hundreds and 28 Test fifties.

 

[James]

That’s not true, he scored heavily in English domestic season and earned his place in Pakistan on merit! What has sifarish and nepotism got to do with it? His record in past year speaks for itself!

Fair point on the selection.

He has struggled in Tests recently though.

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=2344]W63L35[/MENTION]

You're right. Shan struggled in ENG and NZL in 2020 after his hundred at Old Trafford, two notoriously difficult venues for Asian openers. However he deserved the home series vs SAF in early 2021 to turn things around - however he was dropped for a specialist slip fielder Imran Butt whose FC numbers were worse.

However it's now or never for Shan and frankly if he cannot make hay on these incredibly flat pitches, and with likes of Huraira waiting, it's time to move on.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Shan Masood is now behind Imran Farhat, Yasir Hameed, Ramiz Raja, Salman Butt, basically ANYONE you can name in our history from number 1 to 4 position in Tests.

He's the worst-performing top/middle order batsman for Pakistan, in Pakistan's entire history.

He also has the most number of ducks, equaling that record with the likes of Ramiz Raja.

Here are the full stats:

Can someone tell, who's behind his continuous selection in the team?

Despite these awful statistics?

Shan 's father is Mansoor Masood Khan who was a member of PCB governing board. Don't know if he is still a Board Governor or not.
Shan was able to play test cricket with a very low rate of success, however he just had a good season with the counties and the everyone began missing him sorely, like he is the 2nd coming of Bradman. Succeeding at the counties is no guarantee that he will succeed at international level.
Shan is not a test level Batsman, is more suited to Limited overs Cricket as reliable anchor/ accumulator type of batsman.

 

[Amjid Javed]

That’s not true, he scored heavily in English domestic season and earned his place in Pakistan on merit! What has sifarish and nepotism got to do with it? His record in past year speaks for itself!

Oh big wow he scored runs in 2nd division of County championships, so did Azhar Ali another failure and flop.

Uve got in form players like kamran ghulam waiting their turn but Shan has run off to get favours on his selection.

Biggest sirfishi in Pakistan cricketing history.

Bats like a tail ender in Test cricket.

"Oh let's make him captain coz he speaks English" )

 

[Captain_00]

Oh big wow he scored runs in 2nd division of County championships, so did Azhar Ali another failure and flop.

Uve got in form players like kamran ghulam waiting their turn but Shan has run off to get favours on his selection.

Biggest sirfishi in Pakistan cricketing history.

Bats like a tail ender in Test cricket.

"Oh let's make him captain coz he speaks English" )

2nd Devision County Championship is still a very high standard so it’s not that easy to score runs there.

Shan is a proven international player with successful record you just cannot pick a newbie like Kamran Ghulam over him!

I’m not sure what tailend batting you have seen from Shan, every time he goes out to bat he looks like million dollars, as I said earlier he just got a bit unlucky in his dismissals!

And yes he should be captain, he is captaincy material, Yorkshire will back that claim!

P.s
Shan was the reason we got to T20 finals, he kept the batting together scoring at a decent rate!

 

[gazza619]

2nd Devision County Championship is still a very high standard so it’s not that easy to score runs there.

Shan is a proven international player with successful record you just cannot pick a newbie like Kamran Ghulam over him!

I’m not sure what tailend batting you have seen from Shan, every time he goes out to bat he looks like million dollars, as I said earlier he just got a bit unlucky in his dismissals!

And yes he should be captain, he is captaincy material, Yorkshire will back that claim!

P.s
Shan was the reason we got to T20 finals, he kept the batting together scoring at a decent rate!

We need a few more Shan Masoods in the team to end our cricket.

 

[Asif321]

What crap is this . Can’t even play in Pakistan

 

[MenInG]

Average dropping... out for 20(11)

 

[JattMaula]

Worst modern batter ever from a big team?

 

[Rana]

Iconic cameo at number 3

 

[Amjid Javed]

2nd Devision County Championship is still a very high standard so it’s not that easy to score runs there.

Shan is a proven international player with successful record you just cannot pick a newbie like Kamran Ghulam over him!

I’m not sure what tailend batting you have seen from Shan, every time he goes out to bat he looks like million dollars, as I said earlier he just got a bit unlucky in his dismissals!

And yes he should be captain, he is captaincy material, Yorkshire will back that claim!

P.s
Shan was the reason we got to T20 finals, he kept the batting together scoring at a decent rate!

A masterful 20 today from MR sirfishi tail ender, I'm sure your proud of the effort.

What does T20s got to do with tests?

Your Clueless to say the least.

 

[Hawkeye]

To be fair to him,

He was playing quite aggressively today, wanted to counter attack and score quickly.

That approach is always going to be risky. Played some fine shots.

 

[MenInG]

To be fair to him,

He was playing quite aggressively today, wanted to counter attack and score quickly.

That approach is always going to be risky. Played some fine shots.

His dismissal

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[Rana]

If your 3, 4 and 5 are not your most solid batsmen…then you can forget about being a proper Test side

 

[Concerned]

He must have heard Afridi announcement about strike rates but applied it to the wrong format.

 

[Hawkeye]

If he shows intent like he did today,

Then I guess can be given more chances to prove himself.

I wouldn't blame him much today. Scored and got out when trying to counter attack.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan’s core, spine should be

3. Babar
4. Saud
5. Kamran

All 3 players average above 46 in Test+Domestic

Why are Pakistan messing with this? Why are they over complicating everything for themselves?

 

[gazza619]

Pakistan’s core, spine should be

3. Babar
4. Saud
5. Kamran

All 3 players average above 46 in Test+Domestic

Why are Pakistan messing with this? Why are they over complicating everything for themselves?

Well that is a question for your fav Chief selector I guess.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If he shows intent like he did today,

Then I guess can be given more chances to prove himself.

I wouldn't blame him much today. Scored and got out when trying to counter attack.

A quick fire 20 and out? Are these the pathetic standards for team now )

 

[JibranAnsari]

Now that pakistan isnt playing tests for next 7 months so he tried to showcase his limited overs ability to be part of thise teams.

 

[JibranAnsari]

A quick fire 20 and out? Are these the pathetic standards for team now )

Yah why not get umar akmal back if we want that. 20s and 30s in quick time.

 

[Rana]

Well that is a question for your fav Chief selector I guess.

All 3 in the squad

It’s a question for the captain empowered by the previous regime

 

[JibranAnsari]

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[gazza619]

All 3 in the squad

It’s a question for the captain empowered by the previous regime

Haha. Who stopped Afridi from taking back that empowerment? Excuses! Thats all I hear.

 

[Rana]

Haha. Who stopped Afridi from taking back that empowerment? Excuses! Thats all I hear.

Afridi has curtailed it massively. Seems like you are still in mourning at the demise of the previous regime and not really paying attention to what’s been going on

 

[gazza619]

Afridi has curtailed it massively. Seems like you are still in mourning at the demise of the previous regime and not really paying attention to what’s been going on

Yep i am really enjoying the current times.

May long it continue.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

To be fair to him,

He was playing quite aggressively today, wanted to counter attack and score quickly.

That approach is always going to be risky. Played some fine shots.

Thats the way to go. I liked it and it should be backed.

Got little unlucky there with the shot he played.

Pak need someone to play as such and also score runs at 3. A very big transformation from Azhars tuk tuk at 3

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

This might be the last test of his career.

Post Azhar, he had this golden opportunity / chance!

 

[Abdullah]

He is in the last chance saloon next innings.

 

[Ashmal]

Thats the way to go. I liked it and it should be backed.

Got little unlucky there with the shot he played.

Pak need someone to play as such and also score runs at 3. A very big transformation from Azhars tuk tuk at 3

Nothing unlucky about his dismissal....it was a poor shot.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Can't believe there are still clueless idiots replying in this thread saying Shan deserves more chances, no wonder the team is where it is when we have clueless Pakistan fans backing mediocrity.

 

[Energy]

Meanwhile Shakeel 0 of 36 balls. Has he wet himself or what?

 

[bones]

He is in the last chance saloon next innings.

This is Pakistan. Believe it or not there's just as much chance he plays the next match even if he fails next innings.

 

[jupiter2007]

Can't believe there are still clueless idiots replying in this thread saying Shan deserves more chances, no wonder the team is where it is when we have clueless Pakistan fans backing mediocrity.

Kamran Ghulam should get a chance in next Test. Even Tayyab Tahir look better than Shan Masood.

 

[jupiter2007]

Can't believe there are still clueless idiots replying in this thread saying Shan deserves more chances, no wonder the team is where it is when we have clueless Pakistan fans backing mediocrity.

Meanwhile Shakeel 0 of 36 balls. Has he wet himself or what?

It’s a test match and he is extra careful. He doesn’t want to throw away his wick like Shan and Abdullah.

I’m hoping this partnership add at least 200+ runs to the total.

 

[Hawkeye]

Come on folks.

I was just trying to balance some criticism with the positives.

Have to admit, the positives aren't that many, and it would also be unfair to those on the bench if they're not given a chance in the next Test/ODI/T20 series.

 

[Kroll]

Meanwhile Shakeel 0 of 36 balls. Has he wet himself or what?

3 (55) now making progress the lad. o_0

 

[GreenKhan]

Thats the way to go. I liked it and it should be backed.

Got little unlucky there with the shot he played.

Pak need someone to play as such and also score runs at 3. A very big transformation from Azhars tuk tuk at 3

You liked 20 of 11 in a test match for a batsman coming at 3 in a test match where the opposition has put 400 plus on the board .

It’s brainless cricket end of . It’s not a t20.
He’s had enough backing 28 tests and counting . Time to move on without a doubt.

 

[Rana]

3 (55) now making progress the lad. o_0

That was just the kind of player Babar/Waseem/Saqlain were looking for in the middle order in T20. He would also get a sponsorship from Gray Nichols and the top 4 would have been GN line

Unfortunately for Saud, Afridi is the new Sheriff in town

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Thats the way to go. I liked it and it should be backed.

Got little unlucky there with the shot he played.

Pak need someone to play as such and also score runs at 3. A very big transformation from Azhars tuk tuk at 3

So, you would prefer a batsman who comes in three, who has scored 1400 runs in about 30 tests with an average of 28, to someone who has scored over 7000 runs with an average of 42.

An interesting way to approach Test cricket — just because someone plays like a headless chicken for a few overs and hits some boundaries does not make him a Test cricketer.

 

[par]

Average dropping... out for 20(11)

Look at the bright side. SR is improving.

 

[Kroll]

Look at the bright side. SR is improving.

LOL, shame he's confusing the formats.

 

[James]

That was a strange innings and a pretty dire dismissal. Seemed to lose his patience and forget that he was playing in a Test match.

 

[shah_1]

He will be given a chance in ODIs at 4

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shan Masood in need of runs. Last 13 Test scores:<br><br>20<br>10<br>3<br>24<br>30<br>0<br>0<br>0<br>10<br>18<br>4<br>1<br>0<br><br>120 runs<br>Average 9.23<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvsNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakvsNZ</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1610279800475713536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2023</a></blockquote>
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[Rana]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shan Masood in need of runs. Last 13 Test scores:<br><br>20<br>10<br>3<br>24<br>30<br>0<br>0<br>0<br>10<br>18<br>4<br>1<br>0<br><br>120 runs<br>Average 9.23<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvsNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakvsNZ</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1610279800475713536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2023</a></blockquote>
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Fawad was dropped I believe after 3-4 failures

 

[Rana]

That was a strange innings and a pretty dire dismissal. Seemed to lose his patience and forget that he was playing in a Test match.

His plan is to just attack because being cautious has got him nowhere

 

[Kianig89]

20 from 11......Mbappe level stuff, Shan now goes past Farhat Khurram Manzoor and arguably Faisal Iqbal in terms of worst Test player for Pakistan

 

[shamaan]

He shouldn't be in the squad we are already out of the championship so we need to look forward and not backwards.

 

[Saj]

Fawad was dropped I believe after 3-4 failures

Never mind 3-4 failures, players have not been picked after just 1 Test despite doing better than this.

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

Criticism is OTT

You simply cannot perform every game or can you?

 

[James]

Criticism is OTT

You simply cannot perform every game or can you?

He isn’t performing at all though.

See the last 13 Test scores posted above.

That’s extremely droppable.

 

[Rana]

I think Babar is picking him because he doesn’t want to bat at 3 himself

 

[ArabKnight]

I think Babar is picking him because he doesn’t want to bat at 3 himself

So that means that Babar can not bat at 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10?

Even Kamran Akmal was not this arrogant. Kamran used to bat at every position from opener to 8 in ODIs.

Oh, I dearly miss him.

 

[Suleiman]

So that means that Babar can not bat at 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10?

Even Kamran Akmal was not this arrogant. Kamran used to bat at every position from opener to 8 in ODIs.

Oh, I dearly miss him.

GOAT Asian keeper batsman.

 

[Rana]

So that means that Babar can not bat at 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10?

Even Kamran Akmal was not this arrogant. Kamran used to bat at every position from opener to 8 in ODIs.

Oh, I dearly miss him.

Babar is the perfect number 3 for us in Test

He will play the same way at 3 as he does at 4. Don’t understand why he is so reluctant

 

[ArabKnight]

Babar is the perfect number 3 for us in Test

He will play the same way at 3 as he does at 4. Don’t understand why he is so reluctant

Yea I think he fits well at 3 in Tests. But playing at 3 for Pakistan is sometimes like opening, and he is scared of doing it.

Since he is not going to budge one bit. We can just swap in Fawad Alam at 3 for Shan.

Fawad is a Lettie Chanderpaul worth his weight in gold. He is no softie baby, and can play better pressure situation.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Babar is the perfect number 3 for us in Test

He will play the same way at 3 as he does at 4. Don’t understand why he is so reluctant

That spot is owned by some of the legends bar Sangakkara/Ponting/Kallis i guess. Tendulkar, Lara, Kohli, Smith, Root, Kane. So he wants to play there i guess.

 

[Rana]

That spot is owned by some of the legends bar Sangakkara/Ponting/Kallis i guess. Tendulkar, Lara, Kohli, Smith, Root, Kane. So he wants to play there i guess.

He should back himself and bat at 3. It’s about time

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Should play ODIs only.
That looks like the only format where he can eke out a decent career.

 

[Rana]

Should play ODIs only.
That looks like the only format where he can eke out a decent career.

When and where has he done anything in ODI? Same as Rizwan.

Shan and Rizwan are massively overrated

 

[ArabKnight]

When and where has he done anything in ODI? Same as Rizwan.

Shan and Rizwan are massively overrated

Meanwhile Sharjeel is performing left and right like no batter in the history of Pakistan cricket. He gets a grand total of zero games.

 

[Captain_00]

Shan was unlucky in the first innings, he was looking like million dollars and playing with right intent until the dodgy pitch made the ball bounce on his unexpectedly and he hit it to point!!

Blame the poor pitch not Shan!!

 

[Ashmal]

Babar is the perfect number 3 for us in Test

He will play the same way at 3 as he does at 4. Don’t understand why he is so reluctant

Nah, he should bat at #4 and Saud at #3.

That's his natural position.

 

[gazza619]

I think Babar is picking him because he doesn’t want to bat at 3 himself

So if a good player is picked -> credit to Shahid Afridi

A bad player is picked -> it is Babar’s fault or Ramiz Raja’s fault for empowering him

You should decide in your head who is in charge.

 

[shamaan]

I think Babar is picking him because he doesn’t want to bat at 3 himself

Saud should be batting at 3.

 

[shamaan]

Shan was unlucky in the first innings, he was looking like million dollars and playing with right intent until the dodgy pitch made the ball bounce on his unexpectedly and he hit it to point!!

Blame the poor pitch not Shan!!

This pitch is flat as a pancake don't blame the pitch but rather the player for getting out in multiple ways.

 

[Captain_00]

This pitch is flat as a pancake don't blame the pitch but rather the player for getting out in multiple ways.

Watch the video of him getting out, you can clearly see ball jumping on him from a good length, otherwise he would have hit that for 4 instead of getting out!!

He was looking in great form to be fair, striking it nicely all around the park!!

 

[JattMaula]

Intikhab Alam wants him as kaptaan.

 

[MenInG]

Intikhab Alam wants him as kaptaan.

In an interview, Intikhab:

“Shan, I personally feel, has the genes of captaincy at least for ODIs and T20 Internationals"

 

[Mamoon]

Some people will never accept the following iron clad facts:

1. Shan Masood is a pathetic batsman
2. Shan Masood has had a pathetic career so far
3. Shan Masood will always be a pathetic batsman
4. Shan Masood should be kicked out of all formats for good

The level of delusion is comical. All of this because he can speak English. He has this incredibly powerful asset & it is a lesson for future generation of Pakistani players: don’t worry about runs & wickets - if you speak English, you will be valued.

 

[Rana]

Some people will never accept the following iron clad facts:

1. Shan Masood is a pathetic batsman
2. Shan Masood has had a pathetic career so far
3. Shan Masood will always be a pathetic batsman
4. Shan Masood should be kicked out of all formats for good

The level of delusion is comical. All of this because he can speak English. He has this incredibly powerful asset & it is a lesson for future generation of Pakistani players: don’t worry about runs & wickets - if you speak English, you will be valued.

I so wish I was a Pakistani cricketer

I would absolutely milk the PCB for cricket and commentary/broadcasting gigs until my very last breath

 

[Mamoon]

I so wish I was a Pakistani cricketer

I would absolutely milk the PCB for cricket and commentary/broadcasting gigs until my very last breath

Ramiz Raja & Shan Masood: two players with zero talent who would have been nobodies in Pakistan cricket if they weren’t fluent in English.

Shan Masood is following his footsteps. After clowning in international cricket for 13-14 years, he will have a 30 year career as a commentator as well as multiple stints as PCB Chairman. It is inevitable.