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Shan Masood - Why is he selected again?

Playing really well at the moment. Needs to work on how he handles short pitched bowling so that he can be effective outside Asia, but, refreshing to see a decent looking opening batsman
 
Bullet Drive said:
What is your obsession with Sami Aslam?

I know him and like him but he had three innings vs Bangladesh on flat decks against a pathetic test attack and failed. He's a good ODI batsman but in tests he was rubbish.

Shaan would have had a ton in Bangla for sure.
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And what's your obsession with these two, possibly the worst opening pair or second worst after Shan/Manzoor?

No one claimed Sami is a great in Tests yet, quite young but better than these. Would do well. Shehzad will ruin our chances anywhere outside UAE.
 
Can there be an opener with a technique hybrid of chanderpaul and fawad alam average more than 30 or 35 maximum in test cricket ? I think no . What do you people say ?
 
Been out 5 times in the 90s in his fc career and once on 199. Lets hope he gets past it today.
 
iiqbal said:
Watch Geo Super show with host Imran Farhat and u will get answer of all
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Don't believe in Geo Super words. For Geo group 5 years back Wahab Riaz was also a parchee player and now I dont see them whining about it as he has shut them up with his performances they just say it to get TRP's.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Simon Katich average of 45 :)
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Do you expect sami aslam to match his calibre ? As a test opener ? Or you would want imran butt , Fakhar Zaman or naeem uddin to replace Ahmed Shehzad or mohamaad hafeez if u have to replace both of them for next series ?
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Do you expect sami aslam to match his calibre ? As a test opener ? Or you would want imran butt , Fakhar Zaman or naeem uddin to replace Ahmed Shehzad or mohamaad hafeez if u have to replace both of them for next series ?
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Add umar siddique as well
 
Shan has grabbed this oppurtunity with both hands and justified his selection . 182 gave him confidence . Now if hafeez clears his bowling action I will want him to open with Shan against England in UAE with naeemuddin as backup opener (if he has improved his fitness)
Ahmed Shehzad needs to be rested now from test squad unless Hafeez's action does not get clear.
I will be tempted even to have imran butt or umar siddique or Fakhar Zaman as 3rd opener if naeemuddin does not score atleast 60-70 % in fitness test .
 
what a innings under pressure no way would have Hafeez played like this
 
been his biggest critic and regardless of what happens now i hold the view his selection was well dirty, still this is a great innings and i hope it inst a false dawn, even Farhat had his moments. Should now i get a run so he will either succeed or we can dump him without people saying he didnt get a chance.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Been out 5 times in the 90s in his fc career and once on 199. Lets hope he gets past it today.
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He has an average of 34 in Pakistan. Don't know why you would rate him. Pakistan domestic circuit is a place where folks like Imran Farhat and Fawad Alam average 50+
 
It's sad that we have a 'fan' like [MENTION=3292]Little Master[/MENTION] who support individuals rather than the team.
 
iiqbal said:
if U are living in Pakistan , then you must know in order to get your right , you have to get hold on parchee to get your work done
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I know but not always people say that you can't get job in Govt without parchee but one of my siblings got it on pure merit without any sifarish.

It's not all gloom and doom good people exist even in Govt sector who select on merit albeit they are very less now.
 
lol I don't know why PPers have been so critical of Shan Masood; he's relatively young and very inexperienced. You should give him a chance, playing a gem so far.
 
shaz619 said:
lol I don't know why PPers have been so critical of Shan Masood; he's relatively young and very inexperienced. You should give him a chance, playing a gem so far.
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He is 25, only in Pakistan would a 25 year old player be considered a youngster.
 
shaz619 said:
lol I don't know why PPers have been so critical of Shan Masood; he's relatively young and very inexperienced. You should give him a chance, playing a gem so far.
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Shazzy bro. You know how PP members work. One good innings and a player is god. One failure and the player is garbage. :))
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
Shazzy bro. You know how PP members work. One good innings and a player is god. One failure and the player is garbage. :))
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True; they've behaved in the same manner with Yasir Shah. Sure you can criticise someone for not performing well but at the same time acknowledge that they are inexperienced at the international level and it takes a while for you to develop. Do people seriously expect rookies to walk into the team and set the world on fire every time? Just look at Azar and Asad for example, an investment had been made in them 5 years ago and although they have some tough tours ahead of them they have done well by pakistani standards in recent times by showing a degree of consistency in whites which we had not seen in a while.
 
Hawkeye said:
Is this the end of this torture? For him as well as PAK fans watching cricket?

Certainly hope so. I hope deserving players like Aslam, Babar etc are given chances now. Or Haris is somehow included.

The next test is half an year away anyway.
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Mamoon said:
Has no ability. Plain and simple.
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ahmedwaqas92 said:
The end to the road for this lad me thinks, at least for international's I must say. Also for arguments sake he doesn't even have decent FC stats which blatantly begs to question how on earth, even if through methods, did he actually get selected ?? :facepalm: Farhat, as many have suggested here, was at least a gun domestic player so his inclusion was understandable but Massod is head and tails below Farhat which in itself speaks volume of where exactly Shaan stands. He can earn a living by playing in domestics since he is a professional cricketer now and I will wish him all the best but as far as international goes, AT THE MOMENT [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] 's analogy of having no ability I think now is pretty evident.

Unless and until he makes some freakish strides in his technique and temperament in FC I don't see him anywhere near the team selection once Babar Azam and Sami Aslam make the Squad. Heck even Harris's inclusion is making a case for Shaan to be dropped who is a middle order batsman - tells us everything we need to know.

Having said all the above I believe Shaan could still be included in our next assignment which is almost 8 months away since PCB works in mysterious, funny and :facepalm: worthy ways but going by what he has done this series and earlier the logical way would be to drop him and include another backup opener between Azam and Sami.

I know I know..........Wishful thinking, what am I even saying :69:
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Mamoon said:
This is farewell I guess.

Please focus on your education, you seem intelligent and articulate and are still young. If you love cricket, play at your local club with Bullet Drive but international cricket is way beyond your ability.
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Zaid23 said:
Newzealand dont even celebrate his wicket...they are surprised how he made it to the test team
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Anis said:
and the future superstar fails again.....as expected....
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Cricket_Engineer said:
He wasn't selected on ability, after his plumb LBW Hafeez was telling him to bat with a straight bat, you guys really need to see his dismissal, his bat was 4 feet from his body.

But for all people still wondering how he was selected, his father (Mansoor Masood Khan) is CEO of UBL and is part of the Board of Governors for PCB:

http://www.pcb.com.pk/board-of-governors.html

His uncle (Ishaq Dar) is also Finance Minister for Pakistan.

This guy is the biggest sifarish after Junaid Zia. Players like Farhat at least showed potential and scored big in domestic (which arguably made it more frustrating because Ilyas used that for justifying).
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Saj said:
One of the most technically inept batsmen I have ever seen take the field in international cricket.

Feet nowhere, head all over the place, bat coming down at all sorts of angles.

I mean who is coaching this guy !
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Pretty decent coach me thinks :)
 
Great innings, we are witnessing history..One of the best knocks ever
 
What's up with personal attacks folks? I don't rate the guy. Even though he has played a good knock today I feel that the knock was not up to the mark and he was found wanting a few times. Could have easily gotten out a number of times. I don't know why everyone seems to be getting their knickers in a twist just because I am not jumping on the the Shan Masood fan club for one test match. Come next outing I am sure everyone will be calling for his head. That is how fickle Pakistani fans are.
 
:))) @ the stupid posts claiming BD is over-hyping the guy he just happened to be more objective in the confines of Shan's young career. The wrist-slitters never gave a damn rookie a chance to begin with expecting him to bat like bradman in the few innings he played in Test Cricket. Don't see how people form opinions on a small sample; anyhow Shan still got a long way to go and we can hope his development is smooth well maybe not all of us will hope that :yk
 
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Little Master said:
What's up with personal attacks folks? I don't rate the guy. Even though he has played a good knock today I feel that the knock was not up to the mark and he was found wanting a few times. Could have easily gotten out a number of times. I don't know why everyone seems to be getting their knickers in a twist just because I am not jumping on the the Shan Masood fan club for one test match. Come next outing I am sure everyone will be calling for his head. That is how fickle Pakistani fans are.
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Well doh!! ANY batsman get out easily :facepalm:

Btw..im not a fanboy
 
Little Master said:
What's up with personal attacks folks? I don't rate the guy. Even though he has played a good knock today I feel that the knock was not up to the mark and he was found wanting a few times. Could have easily gotten out a number of times. I don't know why everyone seems to be getting their knickers in a twist just because I am not jumping on the the Shan Masood fan club for one test match. Come next outing I am sure everyone will be calling for his head. That is how fickle Pakistani fans are.
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I understand where you are coming from. Nonetheless, it was a gritty, hard fought 100 and deserves appreciation.
 
Certain posters need to chill. One hundred and they turn a guy into tendulkar and vice versa.

So fickle. I don't think little master has said anything wrong, and neither have Shans supporters. Everyone is way over the top here
 
Well done on a maiden test hundred, still looks very technically poor and will be exposed against top quality new ball bowlers.
 
wasimjunior said:
Certain posters need to chill. One hundred and they turn a guy into tendulkar and vice versa.

So fickle. I don't think little master has said anything wrong, and neither have Shans supporters. Everyone is way over the top here
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How is this a fluke innings?
 
shah_1 said:
How is this a fluke innings?
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I don't agree with that but at the same time let's treat it like one good knock and not that he is some saviour of Pakistani opening and everyone was so wrong about him being a limited player as certain posters are doing.

Remember the same thing with manzoor when he got a hundred against saffers.
 
at 30 odd for 2 Shan Masood couldn't have found a better partner on the other side then YK, it wasn't about going into a shell and surviving it was about sensible smart cricket, leaving the balls outside off and scoring of the loosners. the aim was the keep the scoring rate above 3 runs per over without taking risks


There is a reason Shan Masood has spent every single second he could he could next to Younis Khan during these international tours and it showed today. Whilst Ahmed Shehzad spent his time hanging about with Afridi taking selfies and going out for dinners with Javed Afridi etc Azhar Ali was spending that time being around Misbah, Shan Masood with YK .....
 
MMHS said:
I think he still has weakness against spin. But still, I would have continued with him for few more Tests because

1. He is a lefty - great to have a left-right opening combination
2. He has a very good technique against moving balls - I ave hardly seen him disturbed by pacers. Got out to a swinging ball indeed, but that was a shocker of a decision. I wonder this same umpire gave BoD to Latham against Adil on 1st morning
3. He is among very few PAK players for whom it took 2 absolute beauty to get him out. This guy put value to his wicket & 'll made bowlers to earn him
4. He is a much better rotator than someone like Azar. Always looks for singles & knows his limitations
5. His footwork is better than most PAK batsmen barring YK & may be Asad
6. Tendency to play on ground - only twice he lofted & it cleared the boundary. In fact, I can't recall a single shot in both innings where the ball traveled more than 5 metres in air, unless it was meant to be.
7. He is a brilliant specialist fielder - I see him occupying a vital catching position for years

But, things that impressed me most are
1. His learning curve - just about a couple of days time, he seems to work out a method to survive against spinners. May not be eye catching, but got his job done. His spin play reminds me the old memory of 2 ugly Aussies - who used to start like No. 10 & 11, but knew how to survive & after an hour or two of struggle in the middle, for rest of the match bowling side 'll keep wondering what's going on - Langer & S Waugh.
2. Cricket intelligence - some of the improvisations we very intelligent, like he never tried hit against the spin unless it's a long hop, used the gap intelligently to rotate the strike, stretched his front pad out side line whenever in confusion, used soft hands whenever blocked a ball. This are signs that this guy knows how to survive & very much aware to ways a batsman can get the benefit of 50-50 doubts.

Only talent can't take a batsman to top level. In fact an outstanding talent with poor work ethics & game applications probably 'll end inferior to a less talented but true grit batsman. The Laras, Pontings & Tendulkars had both, but statistically Chanderpaul isn't behind any of them. I can only say that what little I have seen, if he can match Shan in intelligence, work ethics, grit (Value for own wicket) - Umar Akmal has enough talent to play 125+ Tests for PAK, but I don't back him to play even 25. Talent is nothing if the dedication, discipline or application is not there - Shan has lots of those, a perfect foil for Test opener. My only fear is PCB Selectors might play him in ODI for the 2 SIX he hit - 'll be a disaster, just like Taufique Umar 13 years back.
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I did enjoy most part of his innings today, must appriciate the improvement of him under Grant in last few months. There are not many "top hand" technique player in PAK & his foot work is good. I can see the gap between bat-pad for incoming ball is reducing, but lot more still left in that aspect. Lankan's didn't/couldn't bring the ball in from over the wicket bowling, Anderson is a master of that - next time Shaan has to work & improve on that.

Another great improvement is the scoring rate - once you are set, one simply can't do a Azhar, that kills the game. 2nd Test, at one point PAK was 100/4 net - off, lost last 6 for around 50. I think YK had a great influence for today's innings, but on other side, someone has to have the "listening" habit as well.

Born & birth registered at Kuwait, so he must be genuine 25 (which in subcontinent context often 22-23) - has lots of time to develop his game. One small suggestion can help him big time - retire from any sort of T20 & don't ever dream of playing an ODI for PAK : should end with a 40+ Test average. Educated, intelligent boy with proper upbringing - must be organized & disciplined; a very good prospect for Test vice Captaincy after Misbah hands it over to Azhar.
 
Pakistani Think tank don't get test cricket. Both Shan and Sami Aslam (in BD series), were playing new ball much better than Hafeez and Shezad, who had big advantage of 5/10 years of international experience behind them. Test opener is a specialist spot, you have to invest in players who can play new ball first and foremost. They are by no means finish articles, but there is no point of investing in Hafeez and Shezad if we want to move up the ranking.

Pakistan need to invest in specialists for top bowlers and batsman. You cannot build a test team without openers, its not that Pakistan don't have one, you have to be patient and develop right person. Hafeez playing as an opener for more than decade shows how poor Pakistan is in understanding basics of cricket.


Backfoot needs work

His front foot game has improved a lot from last time, but backfoot game needs improvement. His legs are too wide for him to balance quickly on back foot, some thing coaches need to work on him. This will also help his struggle against shot pitch bowling. He was leaving balls well off the length for most part, and was playing well on the front foot.
 
wasimjunior said:
I don't agree with that but at the same time let's treat it like one good knock and not that he is some saviour of Pakistani opening and everyone was so wrong about him being a limited player as certain posters are doing.

Remember the same thing with manzoor when he got a hundred against saffers.
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Correct. And Little Master is not wrong either.

Let's just congratulate him and don't get carried away. A good knock shouldn't hide the flaws, Hafeez, Manzoor, Farhat too have many good ones.

Let's see how he does in future, if he can work on his flaws and improve no one will have complaints against him.
 
Hawkeye said:
Correct. And Little Master is not wrong either.

Let's just congratulate him and don't get carried away. A good knock shouldn't hide the flaws, Hafeez, Manzoor, Farhat too have many good ones.

Let's see how he does in future, if he can work on his flaws and improve no one will have complaints against him.
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Exactly this. Guys like Shehzad and Hafeez have good knocks here and there, and then that cements their position while they continue to never work on their flaws.

Perhaps to his credit Shan Masood knows that people think he's on the team only because of his father and is determined to work hard to prove otherwise. If that is true, I will gain so much respect for him and cheer for his success.

Still, I am not a huge fan. I don't think he's a long term option for us, and refuse to be dazzled into hyperbole or this nonsense juvenile "YOU GOT OWNED" crowing that's so common in these threads. However, he played a mature, thinking knock, for which I was really impressed. I will be the first to say he showed exceptional judgment and decisiveness on which balls to play and which to just leave be - judgment that Hafeez and Shehzad in all their time haven't shown an inkling for.
 
Not a fan of Shan but he deserves more chances after this knock.

Not sure whether I have same feeling for Shahzad though :shehzad
 
The first delivery he got in the innings was absolutely unplayable. Cricket is a funny game.
 
Saqs said:
The first delivery he got in the innings was absolutely unplayable. Cricket is a funny game.
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Yep and was unlucky too. Umpire gave it out after a decade. Was also unlucky on DRS as both were umpires call and was just clipping.

Also against NZ second innings scored 40 and was looking superb got out to another DRS mistake.

Good to see some luck going his way.
 
He's a great prospect and has a good head on shoulders. He does have some glaring technical issues that needs a work out.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Yep and was unlucky too. Umpire gave it out after a decade. Was also unlucky on DRS as both were umpires call and was just clipping.

Also against NZ second innings scored 40 and was looking superb got out to another DRS mistake.

Good to see some luck going his way.
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Nah I was talking about the first ball of this innings. It would literally have got nine out of ten batsmen out. Shan got lucky for once and took advantage.
 
Might not be the most gifted batsmen to have worn the shirt but he's definitely got something that most Pakistani batsmen don't - a brain.
 
#GreenRoars said:
some one with some sensible thinking. Great, many are saying he is Parchee , sifarish e.t.c but now he is in the team so let him play. and what if he plays well?? his father is in PCB or whatever, that doesn't mean he is parchee and all. Give him a chance, if he fails then surely kick him out of the team and bring Babar and e.t.c
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msb314 said:
IMO - he deserves more chances before we can decide whether or not he is good enough. Not so long ago, he did score 70 odd off the likes of Steyn and Morkel so he can be decent.

In terms of talent, he is probably not the greatest but talent is not everything as we all know. He deserves more opportunities and if he still fails, he would have no one to blame but himself - especially with Babar Azam/Sami Aslam knocking on the door of a test spot.
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BUMP.

As I pointed out - Shan should have been given a chance and he paid handsomely for us. A great knock and the signs were already there when he scored that 170 odd against Sri Lanka A.

I still don't understand why people write off players without even giving them a proper chance.

A great knock and especially more valuable given the predicament we were in - Masood should rightfully get more chances in the future.

Thumbs Up [MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] !
 
So to summarise:

- His selection seems not to be the most cleanest in general (as his FC avg is pathetic and no-doubt about the fact that he is very well connected with his father being on the board of the PCB and the CEO of UBL - a major sponsor)
- He played a good knock today; his first good knock since his first innings against SAF in 2013
- In the past he has been unlucky when he plays with some very good deliveries; DRS mistakes
- With that said, he has a few glaring technical issues that definitely helped him get out to those deliveries
- Undoubtedly there are players in the domestic game that have more talent than him and have performed way better than him (cc: Fawad Alam)
- Despite the lack of talent, he utilises what he does have as best as he can (aka he has a brain, take note Umar Akmal)
- He is a well-spoken guy and can be a good representative for Pakistan cricket
- This is just one of his few good knocks, he NEEDS to score more in the next few series and be CONSISTENT else he will end up like the Great Imran Farhat
 
msb314 said:
BUMP.

As I pointed out - Shan should have been given a chance and he paid handsomely for us. A great knock and the signs were already there when he scored that 170 odd against Sri Lanka A.

I still don't understand why people write off players without even giving them a proper chance.

A great knock and especially more valuable given the predicament we were in - Masood should rightfully get more chances in the future.

Thumbs Up [MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] !
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haha! I like positive thinking precisely for youngsters. And woow mine prediction was damn right, also i predicted Pak will win series 2-1, and bang. lol
 
#GreenRoars said:
haha! I like positive thinking precisely for youngsters. And woow mine prediction was damn right, also i predicted Pak will win series 2-1, and bang. lol
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LOL If only others could also have our vision! :D
 
He looks classy like most left handers while he plays his shots. I see him in the same league as batsmen like Taufeeq Umar.

Id still go with Azhar/ Shahzad opening partnership and bring in Haris sohail in the middle order. I just feel these players have more potential at these batting positions.

Although only time will tell, for all I know Masood will become world class and I will have to eat my words.
 
A lot was said about this club level cricketer's inclusion and connections.

All coming down to be true. Some got fooled by his SL knock. I'd take EVEN Shehzad over this guy. That's saying a LOT.
 
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Bullet Drive said:
Lol. 1 test after a ton and people want him dropped.
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I know how hard it is for you. But you must wear neutral's glasses and forget his campaigning/friendship - just doesn't belong to international level.

Would you have done campaigning for Imran Farhat after his ton?
 
Hawkeye said:
I know how hard it is for you. But you must wear neutral's glasses and forget his campaigning/friendship - just doesn't belong to international level.

Would you have done campaigning for Imran Farhat after his ton?
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:)))

What campaign is this then ?
 
Bullet Drive said:
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You come out after one test. Where were you when he scored a hundred?
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I've been here since day one when he's been failing. When he scored a hundred I said well done but one swallow does not make a summer.

Fact is the guy can't play a 79mph bouncer on a road. He's scared and his technique is useless.
 
wasimjunior said:
I've been here since day one when he's been failing. When he scored a hundred I said well done but one swallow does not make a summer.

Fact is the guy can't play a 79mph bouncer on a road. He's scared and his technique is useless.
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Hundred was no ordinary hundred. In fact it was one of the best ever hundreds by a Pakistani opener.
 
Parhetic player. IF this guy plays in the second game, I will be furious. This nepotism must end immediately.
 
Apart from flukey 100 v SL the guy looks like a walking wicket and should be dumped for the rest of the series, looked clueless on a flat wicket and god knows what he would be like on a lively surface.
 
2 very ordinary dismissals.

He'll be upset by the manner of his dismissals but he has no excuse, it was just blatant poor batting.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Lol. 1 test after a ton and people want him dropped.
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Its just been 1 test but it is the manner of his dismissal which is worrying, he got beaten by pace/bounce on a flat track by Anderson, who isn't that quick to begin with.

Anyways with Azhar Ali returning,Masood seems to be the only option that can be dropped, the rest are pretty settled.
 
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