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"Shoaib Akhtar knows he used to jerk his elbow; he knew he was chucking too" : Virender Sehwag

India batting great Virender Sehwag has called out former Pakistan fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar’s action. Known as the Rawalpindi Express, Akhtar is still the fastest bowler in the world. (More Cricket News)

"Shoaib knows he used to jerk his elbow; he knew he was chucking too. Why would ICC ban him otherwise?” Sehwag told Sports18.

In 1999, Shoaib Akhtar was banned for 'throwing' for a month and returned with remodelled bowling action. Then the right-arm pacer had said that he was totally shocked... They won't give me a definite word as to what is wrong with me. They've just told me to remodel my action."

In 2001, he was banned for illegal bowling action for a second time.

Comparing Shoiab Akhtar's action to his contemporary fast bowlers like Brett Lee of Australia and Shane Bond of New Zealand, Sehwag said that it was tough to pick the ball from the Pakistani bowler.

"Brett Lee's hand came down straight, so it was easy to pick the ball. But with Shoaib, you could never guess where the hand and the ball will come from," Sehwag explained.

The former India national cricket team opener had enjoyed facing Shoaib Akhtar and Pakistan. The right-handed batter averaged over 90 in Test against Pakistan, with a century, two double tons and a triple.

"I never feared facing Brett Lee, but with Shoaib, I could not trust what he would do if I hit him twice to the fence. Maybe a beamer or a toe-crushing yorker,” Sehwag added.

His 1276 runs in nine matches against Pakistan have come at an average of 91.14 with a strike rate of 80.20. His career (8586 runs in 104 matches) average is 49.34 with a strike rate of 82.21.

Sehwag, 43, also revealed the name of the toughest fast bowler he had faced. And it's Shane Bond.

"His deliveries would come swinging into your body, even if he bowled outside off stump," Sehwag said, while adding that Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar were the other two who were quickest he faced.

While Akhtar retired from international cricket after the 2011 World Cup, Sehwag hung up his boots in 2015.

https://www.outlookindia.com/sports...d-not-trust-former-pakistan-pacer-news-197145
 
He is basically saying SA was knowingly cheating

Sounds libellous to me. SA should file for defamation
 
He is basically saying SA was knowingly cheating

Sounds libellous to me. SA should file for defamation

First Akhtar must file suit against ICC for banning him twice and getting his action remodelled.
 
ICC eventually realized he has hyper extension after testing. This is all alternate history Sehwag is trying to preach here. Nothing to see here. Move on! I know losing the the only Asian test championship at home in front of empty stadium hurts, but you gotta live with it, Sehwag.
 
Sehwag should really lay off whatever the BJP is feeding him these days for a few months, perhaps permanently. He was never the smartest bulb on the block, now he is just making himself look stupid like Afridi.


Mon 16 Jun 2003 23.11 BST

As Shoaib Akhtar speaks he removes his green Pakistan tracksuit top, rolls up the sleeve of his white shirt and bends his elbow at about 45 degrees. Nothing unusual in that, you might think, except that Shoaib's arm is bent back in the opposite direction from the usual hinge, so that his arm looks like the aftermath of a hideous industrial accident. His party trick is not for the squeamish; the Guardian's photographer almost keels over at the sight of it.

But it is an ability which has defined his cricket career. It means the extra whip generated by forcing his arm against all expectations of nature allows him to hurl a ball quicker than anyone has ever been recorded bowling: 161kph, which translates into the somehow more impressive 100.3mph. It also means that, particularly in Australia where they take a dim view of blokes from the sub-continent at the best of times, his turn of speed has been largely dismissed as the result of a dodgy action. Twice he has been banned by the International Cricket Council for the unholy cricketing sin of chucking.

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And the odd thing about this 27-year-old known as the Rawalpindi Express (just as well he doesn't come from Slough; he'd be stuck behind a failed train at Acton) is that the elbow is merely the start of it. "I am not blessed with normal joints," he says. "I have hyper-tension in my wrists, my knees, everywhere, look at my fingers, see?"

To demonstrate he pulls his thumb and forefinger back unnecessarily far, resulting in a click which reverberates so loudly round the lobby of the hotel in Leicester which is his temporary home that it makes the trio of professional autograph hunters waiting to pounce wince.

"Normal knees bend there," he continues on his muscular-skeletal guided tour. "Mine bend way back; that's bad for the hamstring, bad for the pelvis, bad for the shoulder."

Just as it seems he has finished and we can move on to, say, discussing the prospects of his Pakistan team in the NatWest series against England starting tomorrow, he produces the medical coup de grce . "Did I say I was flat-footed? Nothing, no contours, flat as a pancake, I can take my shoes and socks off and show you if you like."

I take his word for it. "Flat, completely," he continues. "Every time I'm in England I go to Birmingham to get special boots made. I went yesterday. I always see a couple of doctors when I buy them and get everything measured properly. Have to. See, I'm not normal. I couldn't walk when I was five. My mum will tell you."

Shoaib discovered how unusual he was when he took legal action against the ICC and consulted the academics in the human performance department at the University of Western Australia in Perth about his bowling action.

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"In a way they were so ****** off with me," he says of the Perth doctors. "They freaked out. 'How can you be the fastest bowler in the world? You are just patheti cally abnormal.' They measured each single thing about me. They discovered that, where a normal person's joints move about 20%, maximum, my elbow can move 42%. Same with all my joints. It's not nice to have all this, it is why I have had so many injuries."

But what the Perth eggheads did resolve conclusively was that he does not throw the ball. Despite the wavering in the preamble, his arm is straight at the point of delivery, the principle of bowling. Thus reinstated and vindicated, how did Shoaib celebrate his reprieve? By being banned again, this time for ball tampering.

It happened in Sri Lanka, during the most recent of the incessant tournaments in which the modern international cricketer is obliged to compete (he says he has been home for two weeks in the past 12 months). He was caught trying to scratch the surface of the ball with his thumbnail, a trick which allows the ball to wobble more unpredictably through the air. The result was a two-match ban, which covered the final of the Sri Lankan tournament and the first game against England this week. Shoaib claims his actions were misunderstood.

"I was banned unnecessarily. They took it out too hard on me. I was cleaning the ball, just using my thumbnail to remove some grass stains."

Ah, the old hygiene defence. "Man, you cannot tamper with a Kookaburra," he says of the ball used on the sub-continent. "You try and put a nail into the surface. It's so hard, so smooth, your nail just skims off."

Does that mean he has tried in the past, shall we say, to make a few personal re-adjustments? "No, no, but I've felt the outside of the ball. The only thing I was doing was cleaning the grass off the ball. I think they went pretty hard on me. I accept the laws, they banned me three times. I had to go through legally to prove them wrong about chucking. I thought this time I deserved a bit better than that."

It means that English fans will be deprived of the sight of the quickest man on the planet in the first of this month's three-match series. And if we are disappointed in his absence, it is nothing compared to his own dismay.

"In Sri Lanka I worked so hard to put the team in the final," he recalls. "And then they said I couldn't play. I was walking up and down all day, pacing out my run-up in the pavilion, I was abusing and cursing. I knew if I had been there we would have won comfortably. I was abusing myself, telling myself I had let my country down. 'Just leave the f****** ball alone, man, you know the rules.' "

Anyone who has seen a Shoaib appeal, in all its leaping, snarling, yelling passion, will appreciate that this is a man who puts a lot into his cricket. Yet, partly because of his physical oddities, in a country where boys can bowl before they can walk he didn't pick up a ball until he was 15.

"My brother was captain of the local club," he recalls of his first outing. "I went to watch him play and they were a guy short. I said: 'I'll play.' My brother laughed: 'You?' But the others persuaded him. I think everyone was quite impressed when I came on to bowl."

Within three years he was in the national side, hurling the ball down at unprecedented speed. Indeed, such was his pace, his critics reckoned he was obsessed, bowling with one eye on the speed clock, more interested in breaking personal records than the opposition's resolve. It is a charge that infuriates him.

"It pleased me, yeah [to reach 100mph], but it's a people thing, a media thing. I've never boasted I'm the fastest ever. Who knows, they didn't have speed guns before. But I promise you it doesn't please me if my bowling is not winning matches."

In fact, he says, he would happily bowl a straight 130kph trundler rather than see a wayward, if record, quick one beat everyone and surrender four byes. "I have never known in the six years I have been playing international cricket a team win by batting. Bowlers win matches. But, you know, it's a team game. I deliver the ball to the edge of the bat, it gets nicked but one of the fielders has to catch it. I can't run round to the slips and take it. So I try to make a lot of my dismissals bowled or lbw. But sometimes you have to rely on your team-mates."

He sounds as if he has had some problems in that department. "Imagine if I was playing for Australia," he says, as if in confirmation. "With [Glenn] McGrath and [Jason] Gillespie softening them up, then I come on, I'd have got more wickets than anyone ever, mate. Because when I play for Pakistan, with Wasim [Akram] and Waqar [Younis] they are in decline. They were great but they're not match-winning bowlers any more. Wasim has not won a match since 1996. So I have to make it all happen on my own. There is so much expectation on my shoulders. But, if I come on after those two [Australians], when the ball's a bit older and swinging. Imagine, it would be 'see you, mate, talk to you later' every time."

As the inflection in his voice suggests, despite the Australian Cricket Board's constant sniping at his action, Shoaib admires Australians more than any other cricketing nation. He played grade cricket in Sydney in 2002 and says it opened his eyes to the game's possibilities.

"Positive, aggressive, so hard, so professional," he almost drools when describing the Australian way. "But best of all is their fitness. Go back a decade, people in cricket didn't believe in the gym. But these blokes were in there at six in the morning, or in the pool. They're eating the right things, taking the right supplements, following the science of America. Thank God the Americans aren't in cricket, because sports science-wise they are so far ahead. And those Australians have followed that example."

But the thing that most surprised him, he says, was the look in the batsmen's eyes when he came flying up to the crease, the way they faced up to the fastest bowler in history, who didn't pull his punches even against a bunch of part-timers. "You know what, mate," he says, his Sydney side accent growing by the moment. "They weren't scared. These are club cricketers and they played me just like a normal bowler. That's a mentality, mate. That's what we've all got to match."

Particularly that means England this week. But does all this Aussie-philia mean he will be heading over there permanently as soon as he can? "No way, man, there's only one place I want to live," he says, grinning his wide, affable smile. "Here. Man, it was 51 degrees when we left Lahore. When the plane touched down in Scotland it was six degrees. Bliss. The cold, the rain, I love it."

And he does not appear to be joking. It seems that, like his elbows, Shoaib Akhtar's meteorological taste buds got inverted at birth.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/jun/16/cricket.comment
 
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Sehwag should really lay off whatever the BJP is feeding him these days for a few months, perhaps permanently. He was never the smartest bulb on the block, now he is just making himself look stupid like Afridi.

The truth is that Akhtar was banned twice by the ICC and he had to remodel his action. You may need to read more on this topic.

Sehwag said what ICC did. Deal with it.
 
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Shoiab had a hyper extension, his elbow is similar to Bumrah..

I don't think he chucked.
 
The ICC followed protocol as they do with every bowler where the naked eye gave the impression the arm was deliberately straightening.

Quite a unique case and it is well documented about his hyper extension. Tested across the world. This is why he carried on bowling 10 years after the ICC first reported him until he retired.

Old news really. Read up, educate yourselves, move on.
 
There's no doubting Shoaib's action after the tests proved that Shoaib's action is legal, let's move on.

Sehwag is just being a drama queen as usual.
 
ICC eventually realized he has hyper extension after testing. This is all alternate history Sehwag is trying to preach here. Nothing to see here. Move on! I know losing the the only Asian test championship at home in front of empty stadium hurts, but you gotta live with it, Sehwag.

1) Sehwag avgs 90+ against Pakistan in test cricket.

2) He was not even a part of that Asian test championship game. Had he been there and considering his record against Pak, the result would have been same as the Multan test.
 
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Miss Joshila (sounds like a female name, please correct me if I’m wrong). What are you foaming at the mouth for? He’s been tested and his hyper extension causes the illusion of chucking.

I’m terribly sorry you’re new to all of this. You seem to be a lone voice in this so please. Read up a little. Even at the end of his career there was still the illusion of chucking.

The difference between deliberate and non deliberate is his hyper extension which is an involuntary flexion of the elbow in the opposite direction (ouch - think about it). Why don’t you voluntarily try it without breaking your arm. It’s not possible unless you’ve got hyper extension.
 
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Shoaib Akhtar , Muralitharan , Harbhajan were all lucky to have stopped playing before the new ICC regulations and testing protocols on chucking came into force in 2014

Else pretty sure they wud have all got into big trouble - just like Saeed Ajmal
 
Shoaib Akhtar , Muralitharan , Harbhajan were all lucky to have stopped playing before the new ICC regulations and testing protocols on chucking came into force in 2014

Else pretty sure they wud have all got into big trouble - just like Saeed Ajmal

Correct except of course for Bumrah who doesn't have hyper extension... oh sorry he does have hyperextension... yes you can pull up the lab results
 
Miss Joshila (sounds like a female name, please correct me if I’m wrong). What are you foaming at the mouth for? He’s been tested and his hyper extension causes the illusion of chucking.

I’m terribly sorry you’re new to all of this. You seem to be a lone voice in this so please. Read up a little. Even at the end of his career there was still the illusion of chucking.

The difference between deliberate and non deliberate is his hyper extension which is an involuntary flexion of the elbow in the opposite direction (ouch - think about it). Why don’t you voluntarily try it without breaking your arm. It’s not possible unless you’ve got hyper extension.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2000/jan/01/cricket1


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2001/nov/07/cricket

Tell all that to ICC.

As per Tauqir Zia, Akhtar would have stayed banned, if not for Dalmiya who pressurized everyone to relent. A decision of Dalmiya that was blatantly wrong.
 
Shoaib Akhtar , Muralitharan , Harbhajan were all lucky to have stopped playing before the new ICC regulations and testing protocols on chucking came into force in 2014

Else pretty sure they wud have all got into big trouble - just like Saeed Ajmal

Not sure about Akhtar after he remodelled his action in 2000.

But murali and bhajji were in for trouble. That western australia testing was a sham. Thats why ICC threw them out and rightly so. Almost Everyone was going there and getting cleared.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2000/jan/01/cricket1


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2001/nov/07/cricket

Tell all that to ICC.

As per Tauqir Zia, Akhtar would have stayed banned, if not for Dalmiya who pressurized everyone to relent. A decision of Dalmiya that was blatantly wrong.

Yes Miss Joshila and what we are trying to tell you is that the ICC will do what it does ban / report etc, but it was a lack of knowledge about the hyperextension which came to light later and explained. There is no denying the evidence of hyperextension. So learn about without posting some random Googled up articles.
 
Not sure about Akhtar after he remodelled his action in 2000.

But murali and bhajji were in for trouble. That western australia testing was a sham. Thats why ICC threw them out and rightly so. Almost Everyone was going there and getting cleared.

He may have remodelled his action, but in the more recent articles it was found he had an abnormal arm and it was never issue again.
 
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Yes Miss Joshila and what we are trying to tell you is that the ICC will do what it does ban / report etc, but it was a lack of knowledge about the hyperextension which came to light later and explained. There is no denying the evidence of hyperextension. So learn about without posting some random Googled up articles.

If it was only hyper extension then he didn't need to remodel his action. Which he did.
 
Did Akhtar have hyperextension? Yes he did.

Did he remodel his action? Yes he did.
 
If it was only hyper extension then he didn't need to remodel his action. Which he did.

I don’t quite think you understand hyperextension.

The action was remodelled only initially because that was the only way with the icc protocol you could play again.

But after extensive tests in WA and with Daryl Foster the whole hyperextension was explained.

Besides, Shoaib changed his action many times - most of which was to increase speed and reduce injuries. His action was different nearly every year he played.

2000 was different to 1999. 2001 was different than both, then the action in 2002-2003, then 2004 onwards was different still.

Even if you read what Ian Pont has to say - shoaib knows more about biomechanics than any other cricketer he’s worked with.
 
I don’t quite think you understand hyperextension.

The action was remodelled only initially because that was the only way with the icc protocol you could play again.

But after extensive tests in WA and with Daryl Foster the whole hyperextension was explained.

Besides, Shoaib changed his action many times - most of which was to increase speed and reduce injuries. His action was different nearly every year he played.

2000 was different to 1999. 2001 was different than both, then the action in 2002-2003, then 2004 onwards was different still.

Even if you read what Ian Pont has to say - shoaib knows more about biomechanics than any other cricketer he’s worked with.

You don't understand madam.

Hyperextension was present in 1999 or 2001 or 2002. He was doing something more than hyperextension in 1999, because of which he remodeled his action and it was deemed ok for him to bowl.

Once he rectified his action in 2000 only his hyper extension was left, which is legal.
 
Tauqir Zia clearly saying that Akhtar's career was finished in 2000 if not for Dalmiya. Akhtar has openly said in Harsha Bhogale interview that "PCB ke bas ka kuch nahi tha".. means PCB had no balls and had given up on him and it was Dalmiya, a Bengali Hindu who saved his career.

I wonder what Waqar and Rasheed have to say about this ?

 
You don't understand madam.

Hyperextension was present in 1999 or 2001 or 2002. He was doing something more than hyperextension in 1999, because of which he remodeled his action and it was deemed ok for him to bowl.

Once he rectified his action in 2000 only his hyper extension was left, which is legal.

Sehwag faced akhtar only once in 1999, majority of his career he faced akhtar after 2000.

What sehwag has said is liable and should be sued.
 
Tauqir Zia clearly saying that Akhtar's career was finished in 2000 if not for Dalmiya. Akhtar has openly said in Harsha Bhogale interview that "PCB ke bas ka kuch nahi tha".. means PCB had no balls and had given up on him and it was Dalmiya, a Bengali Hindu who saved his career.

I wonder what Waqar and Rasheed have to say about this ?


Why did you bring religion into this thread?
 
Damn, had this been someone calling ashwin a chucker your logic would had been different.

Of ICC had banned Ashwin, and i would be arguing that ashwin is clean, then Ashwin should first sue the ICC for banning him without valid reason.
 
Shoaib has been cleared. So, he is not a chucker.

What Sehwag said is inappropriate. By that logic, Bumrah is a chucker too.
 
You don't understand madam.

Hyperextension was present in 1999 or 2001 or 2002. He was doing something more than hyperextension in 1999, because of which he remodeled his action and it was deemed ok for him to bowl.

Once he rectified his action in 2000 only his hyper extension was left, which is legal.

Btw, it’s Sir to you.

So then - let’s see. According to you Shoaib was deliberately chucking in 1999, he then rectified his action and was bowling quicker.

Great logic - thanks.
 
Yes, Shoaib chucked. Not always, but occasionally. Even after he remodeled his action. This was a bitter truth that as a fan of Shoaib is hard for me to acknowledge.

The issue is not that he had an hyperextension. You can have a hyperextension but still bowl legitimate deliveries where the force on the ball is coming from the shoulder/upper arm.

It is that for certain deliveries, perhaps effort balls, he bent his arm when more of the force of his delivery was coming through the forearm, not the upper arm, which is chucking basically.

This is Michael Holding analyzing Shoaib in 2006.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ1OcUxalwg
 
Btw, it’s Sir to you.

So then - let’s see. According to you Shoaib was deliberately chucking in 1999, he then rectified his action and was bowling quicker.

Great logic - thanks.

Akhtar only played 1 game against sehwag.

Bccijoshilla is acting as if akhtar had been bowling with an illegitimate bowling action towards sehwag during whole career. Bccijoshilla himself admits post 1999 his acrion was legal
 
The difference between Shoaib Akhtar and M Hasnain is Shoaib got tested at the UWA facility in Perth which was later exposed as inadequate by ICC. The issue was UWA did not check if the bowler is bowling the same way during testing as he actually did during a match. In effect a bowler could chuck during matches but bowl with legal action at the testing center and get " cleared

This was why UWA was removed as testing facility by ICC in 2014 and new centers with new testing protocols were developed. After that a slew of bowlers got caught chucking who previously cleared by UWA. Like Ajmal, Senanyake , Sunil Narine were cleared by UWA but got caught in new testing process

So in way Shoaib, Muralitharan, Harbhajan were lucky to get away. I m pretty sure even Hasnain wud have cleared the tests if conducted at the UWA facility. Too bad he was born 20 years late
 
As usual, this paindu is just fishing for relevance. Doesn't have much to contribute, so wants to get some attention on Akhtar's expense.

Sehwag is one of the most cringey and cheap personalities out there. Just take a look at his instagram - the cheap tiktoks are just on another level. Best not to take this clown too seriously
 
Is probably a bit too difficult for someone not too bright like sehwag to understand but theres a huge difference between chucking and hyper extension

Akhter should sue
 
Nothing new here...this idiot Sehwag looking to stay relevant.

Has never been the sharpest tool in the shed.
 
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The difference between Shoaib Akhtar and M Hasnain is Shoaib got tested at the UWA facility in Perth which was later exposed as inadequate by ICC. The issue was UWA did not check if the bowler is bowling the same way during testing as he actually did during a match. In effect a bowler could chuck during matches but bowl with legal action at the testing center and get " cleared

This was why UWA was removed as testing facility by ICC in 2014 and new centers with new testing protocols were developed. After that a slew of bowlers got caught chucking who previously cleared by UWA. Like Ajmal, Senanyake , Sunil Narine were cleared by UWA but got caught in new testing process

So in way Shoaib, Muralitharan, Harbhajan were lucky to get away. I m pretty sure even Hasnain wud have cleared the tests if conducted at the UWA facility. Too bad he was born 20 years late

So hold on a minute - how does this work then with the “new centres”? Presumably once you’ve been reported you can’t bowl until the “new centres” clear you right.

Do the new centres have a time machine? They check the bowler’s action is fine in testing, then they travel in to the future to see if the bowler chucks in actual matches and if he doesn’t, they clear them?

Wow things have moved on 🥴
 
Nothing new. The irritating thing about Shoaib was, despite his natural pace and (sometimes underrated skills) with the ball, he chose to chuck when the going got tough. It's the selective chucking that ticked people off.

I remember Shoaib soon after retirement talking about a game where Sachin midway through told him to stop chucking and how that angered him :warner
 
On a serious note though - both shoaib and murali are unique cases as they have a physical condition that results in inadvertent flexion of the elbow.

That is what the UWA tests confirmed - which means they can’t help. Yes bowlers like hafeez, ajmal and the turbanator would keep getting picked up as they have no physical condition.
 
Nothing new. The irritating thing about Shoaib was, despite his natural pace and (sometimes underrated skills) with the ball, he chose to chuck when the going got tough. It's the selective chucking that ticked people off.

I remember Shoaib soon after retirement talking about a game where Sachin midway through told him to stop chucking and how that angered him :warner

Show me a few of those examples. The hyper extension creates the illusion of chucking - so how do you differentiate between deliberate and not deliberate?

I don’t know about this Sachin story but if Sachin was saying that then it seems he was being bothered by shoaib’s pace in that particular innings. Shows more of a mental breakdown by tendi than anything else. Maybe they was the innings Sachin couldn’t take the heat and he walked off without edging to get off the square.
 
So hold on a minute - how does this work then with the “new centres”? Presumably once you’ve been reported you can’t bowl until the “new centres” clear you right.

Do the new centres have a time machine? They check the bowler’s action is fine in testing, then they travel in to the future to see if the bowler chucks in actual matches and if he doesn’t, they clear them?

Wow things have moved on 🥴

As per the new testing protocols, the centers check if the bowler action has exactly the bowling action during match

Its like hawkeye. They measure if the action matches exactly the video taken of the actual bowling action during a match ( the match from which they were reported ). If the testing action does not match the match footage, then the bowler has to repeat his test unless the 2 actions are matched. Only then the flex measurements are taken and evaluated if its more than 15 degrees

This was where UWA facility was lacking. They did not have that expertise. In essence any bowler could bowl within legal limits during testing and get away. ICC identified this gap dur\ring an academic discussion inviting presentations from UWA and a British university ( based in Cardiff ). After that UWA was removed as testing facility and CArdiff became the authorized testing facility
 
On a serious note though - both shoaib and murali are unique cases as they have a physical condition that results in inadvertent flexion of the elbow.

That is what the UWA tests confirmed - which means they can’t help. Yes bowlers like hafeez, ajmal and the turbanator would keep getting picked up as they have no physical condition.

UWA tests have proven to be fraudulent. That's why they wer removed as testing facility and replaced by new authorized center

Its like Louis Armstrong never failed dope tests. Not bcoz he did not dope but bcoz during his time testing process was woefully inadequate to catch dope cheats like Armstrong. The onlly reason Armstrong got caught was bcoz he was betrayed by an ex team mate
 
I don't think Sehwag would have said this during their playing days :)
 
I think the generation of Sehwag-Akhtar was when Indo-Pak cricket was most active. So these guys knows each other very well and are good friends. Viru, Akhtar, Yuvi, Afridi etc.

Cricket series was sporadic before their era and none at all for current generation of cricketers.
 
Going by the statements from some cricketers in last few months, it is pretty easy to compile an All Time Foot in their Mouth XI.

Asian Cricketers would lead the list I believe.
 
On one hand we keep saying that we don't care about Pakistan, we are not obsessed with Pakistanis, Australia is our new arch rivals. On the other hand, when it comes to comparing our cricketers, talking about past matches, or giving any controversial statements Pakistan is the first name on our tongues. :inti
 
UWA tests have proven to be fraudulent. That's why they wer removed as testing facility and replaced by new authorized center

Its like Louis Armstrong never failed dope tests. Not bcoz he did not dope but bcoz during his time testing process was woefully inadequate to catch dope cheats like Armstrong. The onlly reason Armstrong got caught was bcoz he was betrayed by an ex team mate

Fraudulent - wow that’s a big accusation. Show me some proof. And no, if they moved on from the UWA, it doesn’t prove it is fraudulent.
 
On the point of this thread. Sehwag is basically saying he used to crap himself when facing shoaib because he was unpredictable. There’s no disgrace in that - he is the fastest bowler ever - but he has to add the chucking bit to prove what a buffoon he is.
 
On one hand we keep saying that we don't care about Pakistan, we are not obsessed with Pakistanis, Australia is our new arch rivals. On the other hand, when it comes to comparing our cricketers, talking about past matches, or giving any controversial statements Pakistan is the first name on our tongues. :inti

Very true - I wish some of your compatriots get their story straight. What are they actually trying to say at times is beyond me.

“Shoaib was a chucker” “but but but….sehwag has an average of 90”. If he was that useless why do you go on about him and his alleged chucking then?

Seriously make your mind up people.
 
I don't think Sehwag would have said this during their playing days :)

I don’t understand Sehwag - Akhtar “friendship”. They appear friendly when they are seen together despite Sehwag’s rather direct attacks (baap-beta saga, chucking, etc.) at him.
 
Tauqir Zia clearly saying that Akhtar's career was finished in 2000 if not for Dalmiya. Akhtar has openly said in Harsha Bhogale interview that "PCB ke bas ka kuch nahi tha".. means PCB had no balls and had given up on him and it was Dalmiya, a Bengali Hindu who saved his career.

I wonder what Waqar and Rasheed have to say about this ?


Interesting. Didn’t know about this. But Sehwag’s accusation is more serious here. He’s saying Akhtar knew he was chucking.
 
I don’t understand Sehwag - Akhtar “friendship”. They appear friendly when they are seen together despite Sehwag’s rather direct attacks (baap-beta saga, chucking, etc.) at him.

Same with Gambhir and Afridi. Last time I checked Gambhir was doing Afridi bhai this and that on some Pakistani cricket show. It is pretty clear all these statements are to fool Indians into believing that they are still patriotic. :inti
 
I don't get Sehwag.

Be that as it may....he should have said it long back.

He never did (as far as I remember).

So what's the point in bringing it now?

This guy sure has no class.

Reading this thread is like watching kids fight.

There are 2 separate issues here:

Sehwag's lack of grace.

Akhtar's chucking (if it was all hyper-extension how did he correct his action)

Don't conflate both issues.
 
I don't get Sehwag.

Be that as it may....he should have said it long back.

He never did (as far as I remember).

So what's the point in bringing it now?

This guy sure has no class.

Reading this thread is like watching kids fight.

There are 2 separate issues here:

Sehwag's lack of grace.

Akhtar's chucking (if it was all hyper-extension how did he correct his action)

Don't conflate both issues.

I agree with him having little class.
 
I don't get Sehwag.

Be that as it may....he should have said it long back.

He never did (as far as I remember).

So what's the point in bringing it now?

This guy sure has no class.

Reading this thread is like watching kids fight.

There are 2 separate issues here:

Sehwag's lack of grace.

Akhtar's chucking (if it was all hyper-extension how did he correct his action)

Don't conflate both issues.

I believe Akhtar's hyperextension is a legit reason.

As for issues regarding his action remodelling and occasional chucking, I haven't dug into that stuff so can't comment on it with conviction.
 
I believe Akhtar's hyperextension is a legit reason.

As for issues regarding his action remodelling and occasional chucking, I haven't dug into that stuff so can't comment on it with conviction.

He had hyper extension and that was legit. No doubts.

Thing is that hyper extension doesn't disappear. So what was that he was doing in 1999 that he remodeled and his action was cleared.
 
He had hyper extension and that was legit. No doubts.

Thing is that hyper extension doesn't disappear. So what was that he was doing in 1999 that he remodeled and his action was cleared.

Yes thats an interesting point and I would love to hear views regarding this.
 
He had hyper extension and that was legit. No doubts.

Thing is that hyper extension doesn't disappear. So what was that he was doing in 1999 that he remodeled and his action was cleared.

He wasn't cleared though. He was banned again despite remodeling his action because the ICC wasn't even taking his hyperextension into consideration at the time.

Poor guy was forced to change his action because of ICC's incompetence.
 
Show me a few of those examples. The hyper extension creates the illusion of chucking - so how do you differentiate between deliberate and not deliberate?

I don’t know about this Sachin story but if Sachin was saying that then it seems he was being bothered by shoaib’s pace in that particular innings. Shows more of a mental breakdown by tendi than anything else. Maybe they was the innings Sachin couldn’t take the heat and he walked off without edging to get off the square.

If it were just hyperextension, you would see it consistently. This on the other hand was obvious and would happen on and off.

The time I remember seeing his biggest chucks was a game vs New Zealand. It was either in Pakistan or Sharjah. NZ were chasing and collapsed to some 40 or 60 odd following a Shoaib blitz. Man, towards the end he was chucking like crazy and the speed gun also showed him break the 100 mile barrier. I think they discounted that score because of a dubious speed gun :srini

Regarding the rest of your comment, I predicted it to myself when I made the post. Because it's the stock Pakistani-shoaib-fan response when their hero is under pressure :))

Sachin is not ideal. But it's disgusting when you see someone blatantly cheating when things aren't working for them and that's what SRT was probably reacting to.
 
If it were just hyperextension, you would see it consistently. This on the other hand was obvious and would happen on and off.

The time I remember seeing his biggest chucks was a game vs New Zealand. It was either in Pakistan or Sharjah. NZ were chasing and collapsed to some 40 or 60 odd following a Shoaib blitz. Man, towards the end he was chucking like crazy and the speed gun also showed him break the 100 mile barrier. I think they discounted that score because of a dubious speed gun :srini

Regarding the rest of your comment, I predicted it to myself when I made the post. Because it's the stock Pakistani-shoaib-fan response when their hero is under pressure :))

Sachin is not ideal. But it's disgusting when you see someone blatantly cheating when things aren't working for them and that's what SRT was probably reacting to.

You mean 2002 ODI series in pakistan?
 
Yeah just looked it up. It was the 1st ODI at Karachi in 2002. I was wrong about the score though. It was in the 70s when they were 6 down, eventually being bowled out for 122.

It was an exhibition of brutal pace and the crowd were great. But he was chucking like mad towards the end :srt
 
It was an exhibition of brutal pace and the crowd were great. But he was chucking like mad towards the end :srt

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This is the game you are talking.

12:18 onwards, you can see his front on in slow motion thanks to the replay, it does look very dodgy.

However, once Shoib remodeled his action, he was legal...
 
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This is the game you are talking.

12:18 onwards, you can see his front on in slow motion thanks to the replay, it does look very dodgy.

However, once Shoib remodeled his action, he was legal...

Haha yeah, this is the one. Good find :bumrah

Was a big Shoaib fan back then. Nice to watch it again. Remember feeling conflicting emotions watching the chucks towards the latter half of the game. He was in his prime though and was crazy fast anyway without the chucking.
 
At 2:40, Holding pretty much lays out the kink in Shoaib's action.

 
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