Should Australia look beyond Starc for ODIs?

[KP From India]

Mitchell Starc has exellent stats in WC matches. However, outside that, he constantly goes over 7 RPO even in Aus.

As a captain, you would not get 390 to defend every match. Considering WC 2023 to be held in subcontinent, as a captain would you give ball to Starc if opposition require 25 in 2 overs in a semifinal of a WC?

Discuss?

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes, I would. Starc is a wicket-taker and has economy of 5.18. He has also been brilliant in death overs.

Only the last two games were absymal for him on all accounts.

Go outside Australia, Sir Josh Hazelwood and Sir Pat Cummins will look mediocre in ODIs. With bat, Sir Steve Smith might also struggle.

 

[Rana]

He had 3 spells today, the 2nd one when Kohli and Iyer where batting was a very good spell and the dot balls took the game away from India.

Overall, he’s been terrible in these last 2 games.

Maybe they should not discard him, however swap him with Cummins as the new ball bowler with Hazlewood.

 

[Hasan123]

Definitely not. He is a world class bowler who will come good.

 

[angrypathan]

You yourself mention that he has beastly WC stats. So of course the captain would back him to deliver in a WC.

 

[Gullycricket]

I wonder why they not playing Jhye Richrdson

 

[Smudger]

Yes, I would. Starc is a wicket-taker and has economy of 5.18. He has also been brilliant in death overs.

Only the last two games were absymal for him on all accounts.

Go outside Australia, Sir Josh Hazelwood and Sir Pat Cummins will look mediocre in ODIs. With bat, Sir Steve Smith might also struggle.

Sour grapes right. Sir Steve Smith scored 131 and 98 last time he was in India

 

[Ab Fan]

Sour grapes right. Sir Steve Smith scored 131 and 98 last time he was in India

I am a huge fan of Steve Smith but he averages 36 in ODIs away from home. 36 is poor in this era.

 

[KoyoAli]

Yesterday someone made a thread about Shami being the world's best ODI bowler when he was the least bad in the Indian bowling line up and now this. Too many kneejerk reactions.

 

[sindhiboy]

Yes, I would. Starc is a wicket-taker and has economy of 5.18. He has also been brilliant in death overs.

Only the last two games were absymal for him on all accounts.

Go outside Australia, Sir Josh Hazelwood and Sir Pat Cummins will look mediocre in ODIs. With bat, Sir Steve Smith might also struggle.

Smith had a very good world cup. Hazlewood has a 6fer in eng during 2017 champions trophy

 

[TeamPak95]

Starc is still world class, two bad games won't change that.

 

[Justcrazy]

Any captain would love to have a wicket-taker like Starc in his arsenal.

 

[tyron_woodley]

He is a world class odi bowler. Want to make that clear.
ODI. TOP 3. bowling for fast bowlers is difficult on flat Pattas as bowl comes onto the bat too easy. That's why Starc, bumrah, Shami etc all struggled.

Hazelwood takes place of the bowl and is slower than the rest. Cummins was a surprise in the second game but he did bowl under the lights which is easier.

Average bowlers like pandya, Henriques, stoinis and zampa bowled better. So they are better than starc bumrah ROFL ?

 

[tyron_woodley]

Do you want to see what Rohit did to hazwelood, Cummins in India last time on flat Pattas?

 

[happydavy]

Yes replace him because he's probably the best over ODI bowler with 184 wickets in 96 matches, and 49 of those coming in 18 matches in world cup. He's out of form for a couple of games, there is nothing more to it.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

This the king of all Knee jerk reaction threads.Lol

Starc is probably a contender for ODI GOAT , just because he got annihilated in one or two series you want
him out of the side.

 

[sindhiboy]

He is a world class odi bowler. Want to make that clear.
ODI. TOP 3. bowling for fast bowlers is difficult on flat Pattas as bowl comes onto the bat too easy. That's why Starc, bumrah, Shami etc all struggled.

Hazelwood takes place of the bowl and is slower than the rest. Cummins was a surprise in the second game but he did bowl under the lights which is easier.

Average bowlers like pandya, Henriques, stoinis and zampa bowled better. So they are better than starc bumrah ROFL ?

Thing is when pak played the test under lights last year, the pitch wasn't any less flat and batting friendly.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Thing is when pak played the test under lights last year, the pitch wasn't any less flat and batting friendly.

What are you trying to say?

 

[BreadPakoda]

No.
He’s up against a good batting line up on flat pitches.

 

[sindhiboy]

What are you trying to say?

Batting in the second under lights may not be more difficult

 

[tyron_woodley]

Batting in the second under lights may not be more difficult

It is. If it's day night. India batted well past 7 O clock. Visibility gets worse.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Mitchell Starc at the men's ODI World Cup

WICKETS 65

AVERAGE 19.29

STRIKE RATE

22.4

BEST FIGURES

6-28

4WI/5WI

3/3

 

[MMHS]

The post finally has reached it’s age - yes, after winning 2023 WC, now they should (in fact will) look beyond Starc for 2027. It was a bit premature post exactly 3 years back.

 

[kingusama92]

Truly one of the ATG World Cup performers.

Showed up on the biggest stage again and yes now they can begin to look beyond Starc once the Champions Trophy is done.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Starc doesn't have the same venom he had a few years back. Even his bowling action looks a bit different. Batters have been taking him successfully for last few years. But he still produces great performances from time to time. With the bowling battery Aus have, they can slowly phase him out now.

 

[Abdullah]

Legend of the ODI game.
Averages 2 wickets a game.
As a comparator only Wasim Akram averaged 1.41 wickets a game and he bowled at a time where it actually reverse swung every game.

 

[Marooned]

Legend of the ODI game.
Averages 2 wickets a game.
As a comparator only Wasim Akram averaged 1.41 wickets a game and he bowled at a time where it actually reverse swung every game.

Certified white ball legend.

About the 2 wickets/game thing though, Shaheen too averages 2 wickets per game in odis, Boult averages 1.85 wickets/game.

The ratios are actually higher in this era due to more attacking batting so I don't think the reverse swing factor you allude to is valid.

 

[PakEngFan]

Oubowled shami bumrah when it mattered. One of the GOAT odi bowler. I am sure he will hang up boots now.

 

[shah_1]

ATG ODI bowler

He preformed when it mattered. The wicket of KL Rahul was so much like Wasim Akram in 1992 World cup final

 

[sweep_shot]

Starc is now 33.

He can probably play for 4 more years but I expect him to retire from ODI soon. He has already won 2 World Cups.

 

[Savak]

He is going to be 37 in 2027. Not sure if he will be as effective by then, his pace is already declining. I believe he has another 2 years left and then the Australian selectors will be forced to look at alternatives.

Ricky Ponting summed up the Australian mindset i.e. i guarantee you that the team will celebrate this win wholeheartedly but come the next day, the selectors, team management are going to sit together and decide who are the next batch of 16-20 players who can help us defend this title in 2027.

 

[Abdullah]

Certified white ball legend.

About the 2 wickets/game thing though, Shaheen too averages 2 wickets per game in odis, Boult averages 1.85 wickets/game.

The ratios are actually higher in this era due to more attacking batting so I don't think the reverse swing factor you allude to is valid.

It is higher but the reverse swing would definitely increase that number.
Higher scores now help the guys now definitely also, agree on that