Should Mawlid (Eid Milad-un-Nabi) be celebrated?

[Justcrazy]

Personally I have no issue with celebrating Eid Milad un Nabi. My ancestors celebrated it, and I remember the way the streets were decorated in my childhood and early adulthood (before Deobandi v Barelwi splits became prominent in Pakistan). It brings people together and allows people to experience happiness and joy in these dark times - so why not? I'm not a very religious man so I will not enter the debate on whether it is bidat or not, but I would have thought any remeberance of our Aaqa would be seen as a good thing.

People can come together in Fardh Salah in Masjid , as well as Friday prayers , that is what was taught by prophets and companions.

We should remember prophet , but the way prescribed by the prophet .

 

[Justcrazy]

But the Prophet (pbuh) did tell us that reciting Quran and doing charity are good ways of earning rewards. How is it problematic if apart from normal days we come together and do it more on one day?

Yes , reciting Quran and any good deed is fine , but taking on a special occasion for that is problematic.

Suppose, giving azan for obligatory prayers is okay, all Muslims do that , if one person starts giving azan for sunnah prayers, will it be accepted? Why not , there is Nothing wrong with that.

The question is that if that particular day was such as that should be celebrated, why the companions did not do that?

 

[Justcrazy]

So let's assume you are right and there is no reward. Who has lost out? The worshippers that went to Masjid and read Namaz, the ones that gave charity and food to the poor. Who lost out

Its not about losing anything, its about the scholars who are encouraging innovations in Islam. As a Muslims it is our duty to speak against such things.

NO one can force anyone , even the prophets could not , but our responsibility is to propagate the truth. That is what we are doing.

Also , we are ready to accept it as part of Islam , but with evidence from the Quran and Hadeeth. We are not wrong in demanding some sort of evidence.

 

[uberkoen]

So let's assume you are right and there is no reward. Who has lost out? The worshippers that went to Masjid and read Namaz, the ones that gave charity and food to the poor. Who lost out

The worshippers who went to read namaz and read Quran with the intention of celebrating a particular event which is not considered an 'Eid' in traditional Islamic scripture or history are committing a sin by doing so. This is the very definition of Bid.

Innamal a'malu binniyat. Actions are dependent upon their Intentions.

 

[Madplayer]

Yes , reciting Quran and any good deed is fine , but taking on a special occasion for that is problematic.

Suppose, giving azan for obligatory prayers is okay, all Muslims do that , if one person starts giving azan for sunnah prayers, will it be accepted? Why not , there is Nothing wrong with that.

The question is that if that particular day was such as that should be celebrated, why the companions did not do that?

How is it problematic? You are not answering the plain and simple question. Who will it harm and in what way?

The question of giving adhaan for sunnah prayers is a completely different thing.

The question of why the companions didnt do it is not the only question. Another and the bigger question is that if they didnt do it will it be wrong if we do it? Afterall it isnt shirk, sin etc. It is pretty harmless and brings people closer to enjoin good. The question which you are not answering is how will it cause problems for anyone.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I personally think people who perform superficial and over the top celebrations on this day are just idiots

 

[Bewal Express]

The worshippers who went to read namaz and read Quran with the intention of celebrating a particular event which is not considered an 'Eid' in traditional Islamic scripture or history are committing a sin by doing so. This is the very definition of Bid.

Innamal a'malu binniyat. Actions are dependent upon their Intentions.

No its not. The namaz is namaz and you pray to Allah. You may not have otherwise gone to Masjid but this brings you to Masjid. You may give charity( as I know people that do) to promote even more love of our beloved Prophet(PBUH) is brilliant and if that is biddat, then I am guilty.

 

[Bewal Express]

How is it problematic? You are not answering the plain and simple question. Who will it harm and in what way?

The question of giving adhaan for sunnah prayers is a completely different thing.

The question of why the companions didnt do it is not the only question. Another and the bigger question is that if they didnt do it will it be wrong if we do it? Afterall it isnt shirk, sin etc. It is pretty harmless and brings people closer to enjoin good. The question which you are not answering is how will it cause problems for anyone.

Well put.

 

[Bewal Express]

I personally think people who perform superficial and over the top celebrations on this day are just idiots

If you feel that way, don't do it.

 

[Abdullah719]

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would love to hear your opinions about this situation

I don’t celebrate it.

 

[Bigboii]

I don’t celebrate it.

Very thought provoking

( Lol My bad for tagging you l, at the time I didn't realize this topic would get a bit controversial)

 

[Abdullah719]

Very thought provoking

( Lol My bad for tagging you l, at the time I didn’t realize this topic would get a bit controversial)

No problem

I don’t generally partake in such topics because people usually hold very strong views from either side. Hence, it’s often an exercise in futility.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

So let's assume you are right and there is no reward. Who has lost out? The worshippers that went to Masjid and read Namaz, the ones that gave charity and food to the poor. Who lost out

The one who interjected innovations in deen as new means to earn rewards, is perhaps the one who will lose out. What do you think?

 

[Bewal Express]

The one who interjected innovations in deen as new means to earn rewards, is perhaps the one who will lose out. What do you think?

It depends on his niyaat. Not a single person can give me anyone that loses. If you don't partake then that's fine but if you go to Masjid, read namaz, listen to Naats and give charity, you are not doing anything wrong. If its a sin, I plead guilty.

 

[Bigboii]

It depends on his niyaat. Not a single person can give me anyone that loses. If you don't partake then that's fine but if you go to Masjid, read namaz, listen to Naats and give charity, you are not doing anything wrong. If its a sin, I plead guilty.

Their problem is its a bidat and bidat is a sin

so who ever celebrates is partaking in a sin

that's the problem

 

[Colorblind Genius]

It depends on his niyaat. Not a single person can give me anyone that loses. If you don't partake then that's fine but if you go to Masjid, read namaz, listen to Naats and give charity, you are not doing anything wrong. If its a sin, I plead guilty.

"I am going to masjid to pray salat and give charity BECAUSE today is the occasion of the prophet (saw)'s birthday".


See the granularity here?

This is the definition of Biddah. A person has the niyaa/intention to indulge into an act associated with religion, where he believes he is doing something good and he is earning rewards, but in fact he is following or introducing an innovation in deen.

 

[Madplayer]

"I am going to masjid to pray salat and give charity BECAUSE today is the occasion of the prophet (saw)'s birthday".


See the granularity here?

This is the definition of Biddah. A person has the niyaa/intention to indulge into an act associated with religion, where he believes he is doing something good and he is earning rewards, but in fact he is following or introducing an innovation in deen.

So basically what you are saying is that dont do something good if the deen hasnt spelt it out and prescribed it? Even if it harms no one, benefits the community and helps people remember Allah and his Apostle (pbuh).

Thankfully most of the muslim world doesnt have these views and only a minority have a problem with it.

 

[Justcrazy]

How is it problematic? You are not answering the plain and simple question. Who will it harm and in what way?

The question of giving adhaan for sunnah prayers is a completely different thing.

The question of why the companions didnt do it is not the only question. Another and the bigger question is that if they didnt do it will it be wrong if we do it? Afterall it isnt shirk, sin etc. It is pretty harmless and brings people closer to enjoin good. The question which you are not answering is how will it cause problems for anyone.

If the prophet or companions have not done something related to Deen , it is considered as an innovation which is a sin. Not kufr though.

How is the azan a different thing? That is also recommended, I am reciting something which has people calling to salah. I am not harming anyone.

I give you another example if I start praying and encourage people to pray 4 rakkats in Maghrib , will I be allowed by scholars ? Why Not ? i am prostrating to Allah swt , I am facing Qibla , I am reciting quran.

 

[Justcrazy]

It depends on his niyaat. Not a single person can give me anyone that loses. If you don't partake then that's fine but if you go to Masjid, read namaz, listen to Naats and give charity, you are not doing anything wrong. If its a sin, I plead guilty.

You have to base your Niyat on the teachings of the prophet , that is why a prophet has been sent with the book so that at the human level you can see how the book has to be implemented in daily life.

Going to masjid and giving charity is fine. But when you start processions, start putting on flags around, cut birthday cakes , start lighting around , burn crackers, that is not allowed.

 

[Justcrazy]

So basically what you are saying is that dont do something good if the deen hasnt spelt it out and prescribed it? Even if it harms no one, benefits the community and helps people remember Allah and his Apostle (pbuh).

Thankfully most of the muslim world doesnt have these views and only a minority have a problem with it.

Firstly, do you know that Allah swt says in Quran that majority of mankind will go to hell , and there are hadeeth which support it , so playing the minority card will not help. Islam is about proof not numbers .

You can do good in worldly matters, but when it comes to Deen , you have to stick to what prophet taught and did in his life.

 

[Madplayer]

If the prophet or companions have not done something related to Deen , it is considered as an innovation which is a sin. Not kufr though.

How is the azan a different thing? That is also recommended, I am reciting something which has people calling to salah. I am not harming anyone.

I give you another example if I start praying and encourage people to pray 4 rakkats in Maghrib , will I be allowed by scholars ? Why Not ? i am prostrating to Allah swt , I am facing Qibla , I am reciting quran.

First of all all innovation is not a sin to begin with but thats a different discussion.
And No, what you are mentioning is innovation in the act of worship itself and worship is more or less well defined through various sources. And it is surely different than observing a day like mawlid. If Mawlid isnt clearly prescribed, it isnt clearly prohibited as well. In fact introducing a good thing in muslim life has its rewards and celebration of mawlid is surely a good thing provided that boundaries arent transgressed and frivolity is avoided.

 

[Madplayer]

Firstly, do you know that Allah swt says in Quran that majority of mankind will go to hell , and there are hadeeth which support it , so playing the minority card will not help. Islam is about proof not numbers.

No, this is not the hadith which relates to this discussion. I will tell you the hadith which is relevant to this discussion. It is the one which asks muslims to follow (in matters of deen) what the majority of muslims are doing whenever a doubt arises because the biggest body of muslims will not go astray. Are you doing it?

You can do good in worldly matters, but when it comes to Deen , you have to stick to what prophet taught and did in his life.

Those who celebrate it arent going against what the Prophet (pbuh) has taught.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

So basically what you are saying is that dont do something good if the deen hasnt spelt it out and prescribed it? Even if it harms no one, benefits the community and helps people remember Allah and his Apostle (pbuh).

Thankfully most of the muslim world doesnt have these views and only a minority have a problem with it.

No.
Our religion has guided us EXACTLY how to do things. There isn’t a need to go beyond that. If you do it ALL what Islam DEMANDS and RECOMMENDS, you wouldn’t have anymore time left to do anything else to please Allah and his prophet (saw)

If you come to me and say, “I have completed ALL FARD and ALL SUNNAH and I have ALL SAHIH HADEETH practically implemented into my day to day life, and now I want to do something beyond that (which our prophet didn’t do), that is, celebrating his (saw) birthday, to earn even more rewards, then perhaps you will have a case. And the verdict on that case will probably be that you want to do a biddah.


Here are a couple of examples (remember we have a certain limit on resources and time)

Before celebrating Milaad (which will use your time, effort and resources), have you exhausted all efforts to become someone who regularly offers to pray 5 daily salah on time? For example, If I TRULY had this fikr (worry) I would sleep on time to wake up for fajr instead of participating in a milaad function or anything activity after isha that would create extra risk of missing fajr.

Have you paid every single penny of zakat that you ever owned?

Let’s take a couple of SUNNAH examples.
During Wadhu, do you turn off the water tap when doing massah on the head, neck and ears, because the prophet (saw) said to not waste water?

The prophet (saw) said, “I beg Istaghfaar 70 times a day.”

Being one of those who celebrates the birthday of the prophet (saw), do you do it 70 times a day too?

If the answer is no (and you don’t have to tell) then perhaps your focus needs a shift, and your priorities need to rearranged.

There are many, many, many obligatory Fardh and SUNNAH that we should be worried about and spend our time and resources in acting upon them BEFORE reaching to a point to celebrate another innovative Eid, The milaad.

Here are a couple of “food for thought”.

Some scholars have estimated that the prophet (saw) in his ENTIRE LIFE, ate about 40 KG of wheat.
Did you or any other “Ashiq” here, ever care to figure out how much have you eaten so far?

Allama Iqbal one day woke up, and got into this severe thought of worry.
He worried, if his age gets bigger than the age of prophet (saw)?
He went into tears and offered two rakah naffal, and prayed a dua to Allah that “my age should not surpass the age of prophet (saw).

THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL A NOTION TO LOVE AND RESPECT TO OUR PROPHET (SAW)

Did this thought ever cross your or ANY of those “Ashiqaan-e-rasool’s” (saw) mind?

 

[MenInG]

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[Bewal Express]

"I am going to masjid to pray salat and give charity BECAUSE today is the occasion of the prophet (saw)'s birthday".


See the granularity here?

This is the definition of Biddah. A person has the niyaa/intention to indulge into an act associated with religion, where he believes he is doing something good and he is earning rewards, but in fact he is following or introducing an innovation in deen.

Don't agree. As I said if you feel uncomfortable then don't do it. I actually think its a great occasion and more goodwill is created. If Allah doesn't accept then that is fine, I will take my chances.

 

[IAJ]

Sorry, but can you show me where the prophet said there is something called praiseworthy innovation?

When you gather the quran in a book , how is it innovation ? The Quran was already present in different forms , you are not changing the text .

Again Taraweeh was prayed by the prophet for three days and companions joined him .

Again fiqh Books base on hadeeth which are words spoken by the prophet, he himself gave those laws.

The science of hadeeth is an innovation? The hadith were already present Text of hadeeth is not altered.

No one is recording the quran and saying that if you record the quran you will get more rewards by recording. Also , again when you record are you altering any part of quran ?

AC and Carpets are not related to Deen. The salah remains same . Its not that if you do not have AC or carpets you will get more rewards.

Yes , he was born on Monday , but prophet also fasted on Thursday , so was he born on two days ?

Firstly no one said that the holy texts have been altered, na'uzubillah! I gave you examples of things which was not in the same form at that exact time and what people later on did in order to make things easier for Ummah and those are good things.

Her is a hadeeth I have read:

The Messenger of Allah [may Allah bless him and give him peace] said, “Whoever initiates, in Islam, a good sunnah (practice), then for him is its reward and the reward of all who practice upon it, after him, without decreasing from their rewards, anything. And whoever initiates, in Islam, an evil sunnah, then for him is its sin and the sin of all who practice, after him, without decreasing from their sins, anything.” [Muslim].

And re your last question of whether he (pbuh) was born on two days, what kind of question is that? The beloved Prophet (pbuh) was asked about fasting on Mondays and he (pbhuh) said, among others, that he (pbuh) was born on that day. He (pbuh) didn't say that about Thursday. (I am not saying he (pbuh) did not fast on Thursdays).

Anyways no one can come here and say that thanking Allah for sending the Prophet (pbuh) to us is wrong. And how can people say that listning to nasheeds and recite Quran in gatherings are wrong? This is mainly what happens when people celebrate Mawlid.

And lastly one piece of advice, from a brother to another brother; Please show some respect when you type the word Prophet (pbuh) as he (pbuh) is not like you and me. I assume you say (saw) while typing but your text does not look good when you refer to him (pbuh)

 

[CricketCartoons]

And lastly one piece of advice, from a brother to another brother; Please show some respect when you type the word Prophet (pbuh) as he (pbuh) is not like you and me. I assume you say (saw) while typing but your text does not look good when you refer to him (pbuh)

Once I met an african muslim and after some discussion the topic went to islam. whenever I mentioned the word "him" for the prophet (pbuh) he would whisper (saw), without interrupting me. no matter your religion, one must respect people who show such faith.

 

[Mamoon]

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From an Islamic perspective, these quotes by western thinkers are not applicable to the Prophet PBUH and thus should not be quoted by Muslims.

They credit the Prophet PBUH with enacting laws, legislations, building armies, empire etc. They do that because they do not believe in Islam and consider him the author of the Quran.

However, as Muslims we believe that the Prophet PBUH did none of those things. He was the final of Messenger of God who was given divine laws. Wars were won and empires were built because of divine help and because God promised and assured the triumph of Islam.

Western thinkers credit the Prophet PBUH as a revolutionary who achieved all of this because of his own intelligence and vision, but we Muslims believe that he had those qualities and achievements because he was the chosen one.

He was chosen to complete the religion of Islam and thus, the message of all the previous prophets and messengers had to remain incomplete in order for the final and the greatest Messenger to complete the message of Islam.

Thus, it would be better if Muslims stop quoting western thinkers over the Prophet PBUH. Doing so basically undermines the decree of God and the status of Prophet PBUH as the chosen one.

 

[Madplayer]

No.
Our religion has guided us EXACTLY how to do things. There isn’t a need to go beyond that. If you do it ALL what Islam DEMANDS and RECOMMENDS, you wouldn’t have anymore time left to do anything else to please Allah and his prophet (saw)

If you come to me and say, “I have completed ALL FARD and ALL SUNNAH and I have ALL SAHIH HADEETH practically implemented into my day to day life, and now I want to do something beyond that (which our prophet didn’t do), that is, celebrating his (saw) birthday, to earn even more rewards, then perhaps you will have a case. And the verdict on that case will probably be that you want to do a biddah.


Here are a couple of examples (remember we have a certain limit on resources and time)

Before celebrating Milaad (which will use your time, effort and resources), have you exhausted all efforts to become someone who regularly offers to pray 5 daily salah on time? For example, If I TRULY had this fikr (worry) I would sleep on time to wake up for fajr instead of participating in a milaad function or anything activity after isha that would create extra risk of missing fajr.

Have you paid every single penny of zakat that you ever owned?

Let’s take a couple of SUNNAH examples.
During Wadhu, do you turn off the water tap when doing massah on the head, neck and ears, because the prophet (saw) said to not waste water?

The prophet (saw) said, “I beg Istaghfaar 70 times a day.”

Being one of those who celebrates the birthday of the prophet (saw), do you do it 70 times a day too?

If the answer is no (and you don’t have to tell) then perhaps your focus needs a shift, and your priorities need to rearranged.

There are many, many, many obligatory Fardh and SUNNAH that we should be worried about and spend our time and resources in acting upon them BEFORE reaching to a point to celebrate another innovative Eid, The milaad.

Here are a couple of “food for thought”.

Some scholars have estimated that the prophet (saw) in his ENTIRE LIFE, ate about 40 KG of wheat.
Did you or any other “Ashiq” here, ever care to figure out how much have you eaten so far?

Allama Iqbal one day woke up, and got into this severe thought of worry.
He worried, if his age gets bigger than the age of prophet (saw)?
He went into tears and offered two rakah naffal, and prayed a dua to Allah that “my age should not surpass the age of prophet (saw).

THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL A NOTION TO LOVE AND RESPECT TO OUR PROPHET (SAW)

Did this thought ever cross your or ANY of those “Ashiqaan-e-rasool’s” (saw) mind?

You have pretty lofty standards. Good to see. I'd say most muslims today will fall short of these so would you advise them to abandon Islam altogether because they arent doing the million other things? I dont think what you are saying is practical or applicable in real life in most cases. I wish it was, i truly do.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Firstly no one said that the holy texts have been altered, na'uzubillah! I gave you examples of things which was not in the same form at that exact time and what people later on did in order to make things easier for Ummah and those are good things.

Her is a hadeeth I have read:

The Messenger of Allah [may Allah bless him and give him peace] said, “Whoever initiates, in Islam, a good sunnah (practice), then for him is its reward and the reward of all who practice upon it, after him, without decreasing from their rewards, anything. And whoever initiates, in Islam, an evil sunnah, then for him is its sin and the sin of all who practice, after him, without decreasing from their sins, anything.” [Muslim].

And re your last question of whether he (pbuh) was born on two days, what kind of question is that? The beloved Prophet (pbuh) was asked about fasting on Mondays and he (pbhuh) said, among others, that he (pbuh) was born on that day. He (pbuh) didn't say that about Thursday. (I am not saying he (pbuh) did not fast on Thursdays).

Anyways no one can come here and say that thanking Allah for sending the Prophet (pbuh) to us is wrong. And how can people say that listning to nasheeds and recite Quran in gatherings are wrong? This is mainly what happens when people celebrate Mawlid.

And lastly one piece of advice, from a brother to another brother; Please show some respect when you type the word Prophet (pbuh) as he (pbuh) is not like you and me. I assume you say (saw) while typing but your text does not look good when you refer to him (pbuh)

Islam is complete as per the Quranic verse. Also only Prophet(PBUHF) had the authority to bring new practices to the religion by God's instructions. So the hadith you cite look very dubious from the outside.

 

[IAJ]

Islam is complete as per the Quranic verse. Also only Prophet(PBUHF) had the authority to bring new practices to the religion by God's instructions. So the hadith you cite look very dubious from the outside.

I took that Hadeeth from a reliable source (www.seekersguidance.org). It's up to the scholars of Hadeeth to determine the autencity of that.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

I took that Hadeeth from a reliable source (www.seekersguidance.org). It's up to the scholars of Hadeeth to determine the autencity of that.

Anything that contradicts Quran cant stand even if the hadith gets authenticated by thousand of scholars.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

You have pretty lofty standards. Good to see. I'd say most muslims today will fall short of these so would you advise them to abandon Islam altogether because they arent doing the million other things? I dont think what you are saying is practical or applicable in real life in most cases. I wish it was, i truly do.

Nope, not at all.
As you already know, none of us can complete ALL obligations of Islam. We are bound to make mistakes.
And hence, we should practice meekness and docility.

We all love our prophet (saw), but these slogans and thumping chest to claim that "love" is such a big claim that gives me shivers.

I mean, we are not even qualified to speak out his (saw) name from our tongues, how can we scream on top of our lungs that we love him (saw)?

In my opinion, the true act of showing our love for our prophet (saw), is to follow his sunnah in the prescribed way, and keep that love dear to us inside our hearts.

In all honestly. with the kinda of aamaal we have as a Muslim ummah, I wonder with what face are we going to see him (saw) on the day of judgement?

As the poet says,
"Kithay Mehar Ali, Kithay teri sanaa?"

 

[marlonbrowndo]

If you feel that way, don't do it.

Oh trust me I don’t

 

[Bewal Express]

Oh trust me I don’t

Good on you. I on the other hand, feel its a great time and I will celebrate with extra zeal this year.

 

[Manunited18]

from an islamic perspective, these quotes by western thinkers are not applicable to the prophet pbuh and thus should not be quoted by muslims.

They credit the prophet pbuh with enacting laws, legislations, building armies, empire etc. They do that because they do not believe in islam and consider him the author of the quran.

However, as muslims we believe that the prophet pbuh did none of those things. He was the final of messenger of god who was given divine laws. Wars were won and empires were built because of divine help and because god promised and assured the triumph of islam.

Western thinkers credit the prophet pbuh as a revolutionary who achieved all of this because of his own intelligence and vision, but we muslims believe that he had those qualities and achievements because he was the chosen one.

He was chosen to complete the religion of islam and thus, the message of all the previous prophets and messengers had to remain incomplete in order for the final and the greatest messenger to complete the message of islam.

Thus, it would be better if muslims stop quoting western thinkers over the prophet pbuh. Doing so basically undermines the decree of god and the status of prophet pbuh as the chosen one.

a fantastic post

 

[Bigboii]

Good on you. I on the other hand, feel its a great time and I will celebrate with extra zeal this year.

Know a days I am seeing people get super judgmental against people celebrating Eid milad in nabi

But good on you brother I try to but my family is full blown wahabis so it's a bit harder to celebrate but I do read Quran alone and do basic stuff but going to mosques listening to lectures, naats is just a different atmosphere which makes the occasion a lot better

 

[Bewal Express]

Know a days I am seeing people get super judgmental against people celebrating Eid milad in nabi

But good on you brother I try to but my family is full blown wahabis so it's a bit harder to celebrate but I do read Quran alone and do basic stuff but going to mosques listening to lectures, naats is just a different atmosphere which makes the occasion a lot better

My philosophy is simple, live and let live. If they don't feel comfortable then it makes no sense from their perspective. I, on the other hand don't see any downside and if Allah doesn't accept it, Allah SWT, knows best. In the worst case scenario, the charity will make someone's life a little easier.

 

[Justcrazy]

First of all all innovation is not a sin to begin with but thats a different discussion.
And No, what you are mentioning is innovation in the act of worship itself and worship is more or less well defined through various sources. And it is surely different than observing a day like mawlid. If Mawlid isnt clearly prescribed, it isnt clearly prohibited as well. In fact introducing a good thing in muslim life has its rewards and celebration of mawlid is surely a good thing provided that boundaries arent transgressed and frivolity is avoided.

Why innovation is not a sin? There is an authentic narration that all innovations are misguidance and all misguidance is in leading to fire. Innovation in Deen is a Major sin.

You say that Mawlid is not prescribed, but it is not clearly prohibited, that is the same lame arguments which some Barelvi scholars make to fool people.

When you claim certain things in Deen you need to show the evidence that companions or Prophet (Pbuh) did, it is not vice versa. Suppose I say to you where it is prohibited to give azan when a man dies or on EID salah , can you show me?

If I make such a claim, it is me who has to show it, not others.

Actually, you are not understanding that a good thing cannot be introduced by us in religion in the expectations of reward. The hadeeth is very clear on the issue.

In the life of Prophet (pbuh), his birthday came many times also births of others prophets , he never celebrated it , neither companions , neither the jurists , All this good thing stuff , did they not understand ?

 

[Justcrazy]

No, this is not the hadith which relates to this discussion. I will tell you the hadith which is relevant to this discussion. It is the one which asks muslims to follow (in matters of deen) what the majority of muslims are doing whenever a doubt arises because the biggest body of muslims will not go astray. Are you doing it?



Those who celebrate it arent going against what the Prophet (pbuh) has taught.

I am saying the quran says about majority of mankind.

The other hadeeth you quoting is true , Not the whole Ummat is celebrating this bidat , the companions did not , the major jurists did not , even today only a particular sect is celebrating. Not everyone.

 

[Justcrazy]

Firstly no one said that the holy texts have been altered, na'uzubillah! I gave you examples of things which was not in the same form at that exact time and what people later on did in order to make things easier for Ummah and those are good things.

Her is a hadeeth I have read:

The Messenger of Allah [may Allah bless him and give him peace] said, “Whoever initiates, in Islam, a good sunnah (practice), then for him is its reward and the reward of all who practice upon it, after him, without decreasing from their rewards, anything. And whoever initiates, in Islam, an evil sunnah, then for him is its sin and the sin of all who practice, after him, without decreasing from their sins, anything.” [Muslim].

And re your last question of whether he (pbuh) was born on two days, what kind of question is that? The beloved Prophet (pbuh) was asked about fasting on Mondays and he (pbhuh) said, among others, that he (pbuh) was born on that day. He (pbuh) didn't say that about Thursday. (I am not saying he (pbuh) did not fast on Thursdays).

Anyways no one can come here and say that thanking Allah for sending the Prophet (pbuh) to us is wrong. And how can people say that listning to nasheeds and recite Quran in gatherings are wrong? This is mainly what happens when people celebrate Mawlid.

And lastly one piece of advice, from a brother to another brother; Please show some respect when you type the word Prophet (pbuh) as he (pbuh) is not like you and me. I assume you say (saw) while typing but your text does not look good when you refer to him (pbuh)

Those things which you mentioned were not innovation, and I gave specific reasons for each one of them.

The Muslim hadeeth you quoted, please write the full text of that hadeeth. Once you do that You will know what it is about. Quoting parts of hadeeth is NOT the right thing to do.

If you are saying the prophet fasted because of his birth on Monday, then why no one after him did so? Were they ignorant of this?

 

[Justcrazy]

Know a days I am seeing people get super judgmental against people celebrating Eid milad in nabi

But good on you brother I try to but my family is full blown wahabis so it's a bit harder to celebrate but I do read Quran alone and do basic stuff but going to mosques listening to lectures, naats is just a different atmosphere which makes the occasion a lot better

Are we supposed to read Quran only one particular day ?

 

[Justcrazy]

Islam is complete as per the Quranic verse. Also only Prophet(PBUHF) had the authority to bring new practices to the religion by God's instructions. So the hadith you cite look very dubious from the outside.

The hadeeth is okay , but the site does not give full reference , because it is not giving full hadeeth , it is giving only a part of hadeeth , once you read the full hadeeth you will know the matter.

This is what many websites do , to support their views they give partial hadeeth, they know that most people would not bother to check.

 

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday shared an image of his Bani Gala residence illuminated in connection with the upcoming Eid Miladun Nabi (PBUH).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Getting prepared for the Rabi ul Awal celebrations. <a href="https://t.co/QnDT2pqSOX">pic.twitter.com/QnDT2pqSOX</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1449077054067154952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2021</a></blockquote>
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“Getting prepared for the Rabiul Awal celebrations,” the premier wrote on his Twitter handle while sharing the image of his residence.

Adorned with off white lights across the structure as well as the flower pots, the building gave a magnificent look while on top the panels inscribed with Ya Allah, Ya Muhammad (SAW), Haq Fareed and Ya Sabir were also affixed.

PM Imran had already announced that the government would celebrate the Eid Miladun Nabi (SAW) – falling on October 19 (Tuesday) - this year with full religious zeal and would hold history’s biggest ever ceremony to mark the occasion.

President Arif Alvi on Thursday issued the ordinance related to the establishment of Rehmatul lil Alameen Authority, as part of the government efforts to form ‘Riyasat-e-Madina’.

The authority will be comprised a chairman and six members. Under the ordinance, Premier Imran will be the patron-in-chief of the committee.

The authority would take steps to make the “dream of a just and welfare state a reality.” Moreover, it would also conduct researches on Seerat-e-Nabvi and Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH)teachings for “the character building” of youth.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We will be celebrating the birthday of our Prophet PBUH - Eid I Milad Un Nabi - in a befitting manner across the country. Tomorrow morning President Alvi will be hosting an event & in the afternoon I will be celebrating the auspicious day at the Convention Centre. <a href="https://t.co/AYX5DANC6D">pic.twitter.com/AYX5DANC6D</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1450170779992313869?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[SpiritOf1903]

Why can the Greatest Creation of Mankind not be celebrated if others can shaman?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

The commercialization and over the top festivities (including dancing and music) truly astound me. So many Muslims these days will quite literally do everything to celebrate the prophet Muhammad pbuh except follow his example and teachings.


Sayyid Muhammad ibn Alawi al-Maliki (rahimahullah) said regarding this :

“How many times have we stressed that the Messenger of Allah’s day of birth is not considered a Eid ... for it is a day greater and more virtuous than the day of Eid ... [which] only comes once a year, whilst celebrating the birth of the Messenger of Allah and mentioning his Sirah should be a constant thing, without restricting it to a particular time or place.

One of the innovations ... practised by ... those who celebrate it [include] carrying out unlawful activities, being negligent with prayers, involvement in riba and not implementing the outward and inward Sunnas of the Messenger of Allah

... However, it is necessary that these acts are not restricted to the month of Rabi’ only; rather, it is necessary (wajib) upon a Muslim that he carries out these good deeds constantly in every day of the month, for the mention of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) is not attached to a particular time…“

 

[SpiritOf1903]

The commercialization and over the top festivities (including dancing and music) truly astound me. So many Muslims these days will quite literally do everything to celebrate the prophet Muhammad pbuh except follow his example and teachings.


Sayyid Muhammad ibn Alawi al-Maliki (rahimahullah) said regarding this :

“How many times have we stressed that the Messenger of Allah’s day of birth is not considered a Eid ... for it is a day greater and more virtuous than the day of Eid ... [which] only comes once a year, whilst celebrating the birth of the Messenger of Allah and mentioning his Sirah should be a constant thing, without restricting it to a particular time or place.

One of the innovations ... practised by ... those who celebrate it [include] carrying out unlawful activities, being negligent with prayers, involvement in riba and not implementing the outward and inward Sunnas of the Messenger of Allah

... However, it is necessary that these acts are not restricted to the month of Rabi’ only; rather, it is necessary (wajib) upon a Muslim that he carries out these good deeds constantly in every day of the month, for the mention of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) is not attached to a particular time…“

The greatest peddlers of innovation too busy selling Brown Ale

 

[saeedhk]

It is a biddat. No doubt about it. I hope instead of lighting up houses, roads, mosques and petrol stations, we would actually follow the teachings of Prophet Mohammad PBUH such as being honest, and not adulterating milk and species.

For me, this whole celebration is a farce because we, as a nation, are the biggest hypocrites. We act all pious and self-righteous but our actions say otherwise. This celebration is all about whitewashing one’s dishonesty, corruption and immorality.

Will shopkeepers sell unadulterated mulk on 12th Rabi-ul-Awwal?

We are keen to say that we have the most number of ashiq-e-rasools but we are amongst the most corrupt places on the planet.

 

[IAJ]

Eid Miladun Nabi (saw) Mubarak to all muslims. Not going to get into these discussions again. Just thanking Allah SWT for making me ummati of the last and the greatest Prophet(saw).

 

[in_cutter]

It is a biddat. No doubt about it. I hope instead of lighting up houses, roads, mosques and petrol stations, we would actually follow the teachings of Prophet Mohammad PBUH such as being honest, and not adulterating milk and species.

For me, this whole celebration is a farce because we, as a nation, are the biggest hypocrites. We act all pious and self-righteous but our actions say otherwise. This celebration is all about whitewashing one’s dishonesty, corruption and immorality.

Will shopkeepers sell unadulterated mulk on 12th Rabi-ul-Awwal?

We are keen to say that we have the most number of ashiq-e-rasools but we are amongst the most corrupt places on the planet.

There are good and bad biddats. There is nothing wrong with remembering the Prophet ﷺ. However I do agree lights, cakes, street marches etc are unnecessary.

 

[shaz619]

What I’ve found is, majority of those against this have the baseline views which are open for extremist interpretation and this is evident in the number of terrorist organisations this century which start out with the same beliefs.

 

[topspin]

What I’ve found is, majority of those against this have the baseline views which are open for extremist interpretation and this is evident in the number of terrorist organisations this century which start out with the same beliefs.

If you're referring to Wahabis then I agree. Most extremists stem from Wahabism. But not everyone who doesn't participate in the Mawlid celebration is a Wahabi or some other kind of extremist.

 

[topspin]

It is a biddat. No doubt about it. I hope instead of lighting up houses, roads, mosques and petrol stations, we would actually follow the teachings of Prophet Mohammad PBUH such as being honest, and not adulterating milk and species.

For me, this whole celebration is a farce because we, as a nation, are the biggest hypocrites. We act all pious and self-righteous but our actions say otherwise. This celebration is all about whitewashing one’s dishonesty, corruption and immorality.

Will shopkeepers sell unadulterated mulk on 12th Rabi-ul-Awwal?

We are keen to say that we have the most number of ashiq-e-rasools but we are amongst the most corrupt places on the planet.

Well said. It's definitely a bidah and you don't have to be an extremist Wahabi to see this.

 

[Ismailtoca]

I don't understand the fascination of calling things "Bidah".

If something brings towards good it should be appreciated. For example, the same masajid in my neighborhood that call this Bidah have Friday programs where they give lectures to the youth and there is pizza etc.

Friday programs have no basis in Islam. Why is that not Bidah?

Also there was a large group of Muslims that state that microphones were Bidah in masajids. However, now they are common and acceptable.

Instead - what I witnessed yesterday in my musallah is that on Isha it was full and there was no room for additional people. In most isha prayers there are like 5 people and the first saaf is not complete. People showed up and make Jamaat for both magrib and Isha!

The mawlid celebrations started roughly 500 years after hijra - and they are now accepted in a majority of countries (95%+) with shafii, Maliki Hanafi and hanbali scholars. You cannot say that all these Muslims and scholars got this wrong. This is the majority of the Ummah.

However, this is not a fard or Sunnah element and is just nafil and also sometimes the way people celebrate it goes against the shari'ah and that needs to be condemned. This event should not be one of blasting naats on loud speakers and hurting sleep or work of people, and should not be one where there are displays of wealth. Instead, we should do acts that are approved and appreciated in our Deen such as reading the Quran, zikr, fasting, salawat on the prophet and nafil prayers or even catching up on our missed fard prayers.

 

[in_cutter]

Well said. It's definitely a bidah and you don't have to be an extremist Wahabi to see this.

Most people contribute by remembering and praying. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. However where people cross the line is when they put up lights, march on the street, cut cakes and so on..this I don’t agree with. You shouldn’t lump the whole thing in the ‘bidah’ category because there are good and bad bidah’s.

 

[Major]

If people want to celebrate whats the issue?

To say that you should be celebrating by following his sunnah is like saying I am not slaughtering an animal for eid I will install a water cooler.

Muslims tend to have issue whenever something is being celebrated. Be it Halloween or wishing someone Christmas....

 

[saeedhk]

Banks branches sealed in AJK for not decorating for Milad.

Instead of catching rapists and murderers, let’s punish people for not lighting up their buildings. Good going, Pakistan!

 

[Kroll]

Banks branches sealed in AJK for not decorating for Milad.

Instead of catching rapists and murderers, let’s punish people for not lighting up their buildings. Good going, Pakistan!

Source(s)? I can't find this.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

If people want to celebrate whats the issue?

To say that you should be celebrating by following his sunnah is like saying I am not slaughtering an animal for eid I will install a water cooler.

Muslims tend to have issue whenever something is being celebrated. Be it Halloween or wishing someone Christmas....

Because many think expressing joy & happiness is Haram. A good muslim to them is someone who's grumpy and depressed all the time.

 

[Justcrazy]

Because many think expressing joy & happiness is Haram. A good muslim to them is someone who's grumpy and depressed all the time.

So the prophet and his companions and salaf of first 300 years were grumpy and depressed all the time ?

 

[Justcrazy]

I don't understand the fascination of calling things "Bidah".

If something brings towards good it should be appreciated. For example, the same masajid in my neighborhood that call this Bidah have Friday programs where they give lectures to the youth and there is pizza etc.

Friday programs have no basis in Islam. Why is that not Bidah?

Also there was a large group of Muslims that state that microphones were Bidah in masajids. However, now they are common and acceptable.

Instead - what I witnessed yesterday in my musallah is that on Isha it was full and there was no room for additional people. In most isha prayers there are like 5 people and the first saaf is not complete. People showed up and make Jamaat for both magrib and Isha!

The mawlid celebrations started roughly 500 years after hijra - and they are now accepted in a majority of countries (95%+) with shafii, Maliki Hanafi and hanbali scholars. You cannot say that all these Muslims and scholars got this wrong. This is the majority of the Ummah.

However, this is not a fard or Sunnah element and is just nafil and also sometimes the way people celebrate it goes against the shari'ah and that needs to be condemned. This event should not be one of blasting naats on loud speakers and hurting sleep or work of people, and should not be one where there are displays of wealth. Instead, we should do acts that are approved and appreciated in our Deen such as reading the Quran, zikr, fasting, salawat on the prophet and nafil prayers or even catching up on our missed fard prayers.

You do not understand the fascination with bidah because you do not realize what grave issue it is. It means that either the prophet knew that this act would bring reward but he did not tell us intentionally , or the prophet had idea but our saints had this revelation. In both case it is a major sin ( that is lightest you can say )

Your Masjid serving pizza is not innovation because no one says eating pizza in masjid is rewards.

Which friday programmes are you talking about , elaborate it a bit.

Again using a microphone was never bidah because the fundamentals were not changed. The same azan was given. The azan remained the same only the mode was changed.

To encourage people to come to masjid you do not need such gimmicks , Allah is not bothered about quantity of Muslims but quality.

None of the Imams you mentioned approved of this bidah. As you said it was first celebrated after 500 - 600 years , that shows it had no existence before it.

 

[Justcrazy]

If people want to celebrate whats the issue?

To say that you should be celebrating by following his sunnah is like saying I am not slaughtering an animal for eid I will install a water cooler.

Muslims tend to have issue whenever something is being celebrated. Be it Halloween or wishing someone Christmas....

The people who want to celebrate it will off course celebrate because we live in secular environment but the point is that if something is against Islam , and people try to make it part of Islam we have to raise our concern , that is what the Quran has ordered.

On the day of judgement, we will be absolved of our duty . Our job is just to have a discousure in a decent manner with proper evidence. that is what we are doing. No one is cutting anyones head.

 

[Major]

The people who want to celebrate it will off course celebrate because we live in secular environment but the point is that if something is against Islam , and people try to make it part of Islam we have to raise our concern , that is what the Quran has ordered.

On the day of judgement, we will be absolved of our duty . Our job is just to have a discousure in a decent manner with proper evidence. that is what we are doing. No one is cutting anyones head.

WHo is making it part of Islam? They are just celebrating the prophets birthday, having natt competations and lighting up streets.

Problem is people most religious people i have seen start having issues and feel insecure when others celebrate things.

its not only prophets birthday, but be it wishing someone marry christmas or even celebrating hallowean.

Day of Judgement? Why are you concerned about what others would be facing on day of judgement? You live your own life and otehrs live their own..

 

[Major]

Because many think expressing joy & happiness is Haram. A good muslim to them is someone who's grumpy and depressed all the time.

exactly! THis!

Its really depressing around here, people have issues with everything. THe religious zealots around here will have issues with everything.

A group of students were dancing in the northern areas, and we had people who had a meltdown upon it that why are they dancing.

They have even claimed that hallowean is celebrated by those who worship the devil

Its just that this religious people always feel insecure, thus, because most of them are reserve or live a certain life they enforce everyone to follow them.

I remember when i was a kid and I was gonna sing a naat at my school on eid milad un nabi. And when i told my religious teacher he frownd upon it and said that it was gunnah and what not.

That day I learned, that religious people will always find issues with how people live their lives, no matter what.



Thankfully, there are still some localities that do celebrate the prophets birthday, and its really really fun. The mohallas are lit, there is free food being distributed, different naat competitions are being held. Its a festive mahool.

We dont even have festivals in Pakistan. So if we have this festival, people will have issues with it

 

[Justcrazy]

WHo is making it part of Islam? They are just celebrating the prophets birthday, having natt competations and lighting up streets.

Problem is people most religious people i have seen start having issues and feel insecure when others celebrate things.

its not only prophets birthday, but be it wishing someone marry christmas or even celebrating hallowean.

Day of Judgement? Why are you concerned about what others would be facing on day of judgement? You live your own life and otehrs live their own..

Anything that is done with the intention of reward is part of religion.

People are not insecure , they are speaking up against it because the Quran says to speak against falsehood .

When a Christian wishes you merry Christmas , what is his intention behind it ? Do you agree with his faith ? ( If you do , we can have conversation on that as well )

We are concerned because we want to absolve ourselves from being silent devil . If something is wrong prophet said use your force to stop that , if not possible then speak against it , if still not possible at least in heart consider it wrong.

 

[Major]

Anything that is done with the intention of reward is part of religion.

People are not insecure , they are speaking up against it because the Quran says to speak against falsehood .

When a Christian wishes you merry Christmas , what is his intention behind it ? Do you agree with his faith ? ( If you do , we can have conversation on that as well )

We are concerned because we want to absolve ourselves from being silent devil . If something is wrong prophet said use your force to stop that , if not possible then speak against it , if still not possible at least in heart consider it wrong.

Learn to mind your own business. Simple as that.

Just because you dont enjoy things, stop enforcing your beliefs on others.

If people want to enjoy and celebrate the Prophets Birthday, those who have an issue should mind their own business.

 

[PakLFC]

I do not celebrate it at all. What is even more confusing is why is it called "Eid"? I have no problems if Muslim's want to get together and have a party or anything like that. Freedom of expression and all that.

 

[Ismailtoca]

I'd like to first say - that Allahu alam - and may allah correct who ever is on the wrong path.

You do not understand the fascination with bidah because you do not realize what grave issue it is. It means that either the prophet knew that this act would bring reward but he did not tell us intentionally , or the prophet had idea but our saints had this revelation. In both case it is a major sin ( that is lightest you can say )

I disagree with this statement. There is good bidah and bad bidah.

"The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing and is followed by others, will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their reward in any way. Whoever starts a bad thing and is followed by others, will bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their burden in any way.'" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2675. He said, This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth)

The first bidahs that I can think of at the top of my head:
Hazrat Omar (may allah be pleased with him): Did Taraweeh in Jama't for the first time.
Hazrat Usman (may allah be pleased with him): Compiled the quran, and burned all other copies of it. (Abdullah ibn Masud (may allah be pleased with him) was actually against this)

Anywho - for any bidah - you need to understand whether it is a good thing or a bad thing overall.

Your Masjid serving pizza is not innovation because no one says eating pizza in masjid is rewards.

Which friday programmes are you talking about , elaborate it a bit.

Sorry, I should've been clearer - on friday nights - the masjid holds a program where it invites the youth and they conduct lectures on various things in Islam. It happens every friday after Isha salat. After which pizza is served.

This is quite similar to Milad-un-nabi imo - because you've selected a particular day to increase your ibadah. This isn't found in the sunnah to give lectures on Friday nights specifically.

Again using a microphone was never bidah because the fundamentals were not changed. The same azan was given. The azan remained the same only the mode was changed.

Isn't the Mode actually important? Ask your parents regarding this. There were several fatwas made against the microphone being bidah.

To encourage people to come to masjid you do not need such gimmicks , Allah is not bothered about quantity of Muslims but quality.

Who are you to doubt the authenticity and the quality of the people that comes to the masjid. That one prayer could save them from hell fire. Its not a "gimmick" as you say. Maybe a person prays isha there and changes his entire life because of this. At its core, the milad-un-nabi is basically an excuse for people to spend the day/night in prayer or other ibadah. This is a great innovation. Even Ibn Taymiyyah (who the biddah stamp loving folk venerate - from what i've heard - not a big fan personally but allahualam) has stated:

'Those people who celebrate Milad through the love and respect of the Prophet [May Allah bless Him and grant Him peace], will be rewarded by Allah.'
[Iqtidaa' us-siraat-il-Mustaqeem, page 294]
Ibn Taymiyyah also wrote that:
If someone celebrates Milad with the love and respect of Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant Him peace], he will have a “big reward”. He says that in Muslim communities, Milad-un-Nabi gatherings are only done with the respect and love of the Muslims for the Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant Him peace]
[Iqtidaa' as-siraat-il-Mustaqeem, page 297, by Hafidhh Ibn Taymiyyah]

None of the Imams you mentioned approved of this bidah. As you said it was first celebrated after 500 - 600 years , that shows it had no existence before it.

I stated the scholars associated with the 4 madhabs all approved of this "bidah"

The Mawlid is celebrated across the world and is not a desi thing. Its celebrated as far east as Malaysia/Indonesia and as far west as Algeria and Morocco. A majority of the muslim countries actually have it as public holiday. In fact, the prevailing opinion of the muslim ummah is that this isn't only a permissible thing but also encouraged. I'd invite you to travel to sunni muslim countries other than the salafi ones and see the celebrations that take place.

The Jamaa of muslims believes in the Mawlid.

At-Tirmidhi (2167) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Allah will not cause my ummah to agree on falsehood; the hand of Allah is with the jamaa‘ah (the main body of the Muslims).” Classed as hasan by al-Albaani.

To conclude, here are a few scholars (iirc) (brand name historical) who have approved the Mawlid - these aren't all obvs but just to give you an idea:

Al- Suyuti
al-Imam an-Nawawi’s shaykh - Abu Shamah
Allamah Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani
Allamah Ibn Hajar al-Haytami

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Because many think expressing joy & happiness is Haram. A good muslim to them is someone who's grumpy and depressed all the time.

World # 2 in Hajj attendance and world # 122 on the scale of honesty.

What joy and happiness this nation celebrates and with what face they are going to come in front of the prophet (saw) on the day of judgement?

Rampant corruption and dishonesty everywhere, rishwat khori, haram khori, zulm, jhoot, dhoka and doosron ka haq marna is considered benign that folks don't even consider it a sin.

And then naaray baazi of being an Ashiq-e-rasool (sa)?
Can you think of a bigger hypocrisy and munfiqat?

The only thing this nation should do actually is to mourn and be worried from head to toe as to how are the going to face the prophet (saw) in the hereafter?

 

[Justcrazy]

Learn to mind your own business. Simple as that.

Just because you dont enjoy things, stop enforcing your beliefs on others.

If people want to enjoy and celebrate the Prophets Birthday, those who have an issue should mind their own business.

Brother this is a discussion forum , people can provide their own evidences here and let the others see , My contention is that in Islam we cannot invent anything related to deen , if anyone has evidence from prophet or companions , they are welcome to post here.

Scholars are NOT hujjat in Islam neither the actions of people.

 

[Justcrazy]

I'd like to first say - that Allahu alam - and may allah correct who ever is on the wrong path.




I disagree with this statement. There is good bidah and bad bidah.



The first bidahs that I can think of at the top of my head:
Hazrat Omar (may allah be pleased with him): Did Taraweeh in Jama't for the first time.
Hazrat Usman (may allah be pleased with him): Compiled the quran, and burned all other copies of it. (Abdullah ibn Masud (may allah be pleased with him) was actually against this)

Anywho - for any bidah - you need to understand whether it is a good thing or a bad thing overall.





Sorry, I should've been clearer - on friday nights - the masjid holds a program where it invites the youth and they conduct lectures on various things in Islam. It happens every friday after Isha salat. After which pizza is served.

This is quite similar to Milad-un-nabi imo - because you've selected a particular day to increase your ibadah. This isn't found in the sunnah to give lectures on Friday nights specifically.





Isn't the Mode actually important? Ask your parents regarding this. There were several fatwas made against the microphone being bidah.




Who are you to doubt the authenticity and the quality of the people that comes to the masjid. That one prayer could save them from hell fire. Its not a "gimmick" as you say. Maybe a person prays isha there and changes his entire life because of this. At its core, the milad-un-nabi is basically an excuse for people to spend the day/night in prayer or other ibadah. This is a great innovation. Even Ibn Taymiyyah (who the biddah stamp loving folk venerate - from what i've heard - not a big fan personally but allahualam) has stated:





I stated the scholars associated with the 4 madhabs all approved of this "bidah"

The Mawlid is celebrated across the world and is not a desi thing. Its celebrated as far east as Malaysia/Indonesia and as far west as Algeria and Morocco. A majority of the muslim countries actually have it as public holiday. In fact, the prevailing opinion of the muslim ummah is that this isn't only a permissible thing but also encouraged. I'd invite you to travel to sunni muslim countries other than the salafi ones and see the celebrations that take place.

The Jamaa of muslims believes in the Mawlid.




To conclude, here are a few scholars (iirc) (brand name historical) who have approved the Mawlid - these aren't all obvs but just to give you an idea:

Al- Suyuti
al-Imam an-Nawawi’s shaykh - Abu Shamah
Allamah Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani
Allamah Ibn Hajar al-Haytami

There is Good bidah and there is bad bidah ? Prophet says that all innovations are misguidance , so you tell me whom should I follow , the man who gets revelations or bunch of people who claim to be his followers ? If prophet has said that there is good innovation and bad innovation kindly provide evidence .


The article from you copied the hadith unfortunately has cheated its viewers because that article has not written the whole hadith but just taken one portion.

The whole hadith is in Muslim 117 A ( https://sunnah.com/muslim:1017a )

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمُثَنَّى الْعَنَزِيُّ، أَخْبَرَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنْ عَوْنِ، بْنِ أَبِي جُحَيْفَةَ عَنِ الْمُنْذِرِ بْنِ جَرِيرٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ كُنَّا عِنْدَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي صَدْرِ النَّهَارِ قَالَ فَجَاءَهُ قَوْمٌ حُفَاةٌ عُرَاةٌ مُجْتَابِي النِّمَارِ أَوِ الْعَبَاءِ مُتَقَلِّدِي السُّيُوفِ عَامَّتُهُمْ مِنْ مُضَرَ بَلْ كُلُّهُمْ مِنْ مُضَرَ فَتَمَعَّرَ وَجْهُ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم لِمَا رَأَى بِهِمْ مِنَ الْفَاقَةِ فَدَخَلَ ثُمَّ خَرَجَ فَأَمَرَ بِلاَلاً فَأَذَّنَ وَأَقَامَ فَصَلَّى ثُمَّ خَطَبَ فَقَالَ ‏"‏ ‏{‏ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمُ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُمْ مِنْ نَفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ‏}‏ إِلَى آخِرِ الآيَةِ ‏{‏ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلَيْكُمْ رَقِيبًا‏}‏ وَالآيَةَ الَّتِي فِي الْحَشْرِ ‏{‏ اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَلْتَنْظُرْ نَفْسٌ مَا قَدَّمَتْ لِغَدٍ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ‏}‏ تَصَدَّقَ رَجُلٌ مِنْ دِينَارِهِ مِنْ دِرْهَمِهِ مِنْ ثَوْبِهِ مِنْ صَاعِ بُرِّهِ مِنْ صَاعِ تَمْرِهِ - حَتَّى قَالَ - وَلَوْ بِشِقِّ تَمْرَةٍ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ فَجَاءَ رَجُلٌ مِنَ الأَنْصَارِ بِصُرَّةٍ كَادَتْ كَفُّهُ تَعْجِزُ عَنْهَا بَلْ قَدْ عَجَزَتْ - قَالَ - ثُمَّ تَتَابَعَ النَّاسُ حَتَّى رَأَيْتُ كَوْمَيْنِ مِنْ طَعَامٍ وَثِيَابٍ حَتَّى رَأَيْتُ وَجْهَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَتَهَلَّلُ كَأَنَّهُ مُذْهَبَةٌ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ مَنْ سَنَّ فِي الإِسْلاَمِ سُنَّةً حَسَنَةً فَلَهُ أَجْرُهَا وَأَجْرُ مَنْ عَمِلَ بِهَا بَعْدَهُ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يَنْقُصَ مِنْ أُجُورِهِمْ شَىْءٌ وَمَنْ سَنَّ فِي الإِسْلاَمِ سُنَّةً سَيِّئَةً كَانَ عَلَيْهِ وِزْرُهَا
وَوِزْرُ مَنْ عَمِلَ بِهَا مِنْ بَعْدِهِ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يَنْقُصَ مِنْ أَوْزَارِهِمْ شَىْءٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏


There is NO word of Bidah included in this hadith at all. What it says is sunnatun hasanatun and sunnatun sayiatun, that means good sunnah and bad sunnah.


No Umar did not do Taraweeh the first time , Prophet himself did but did not continue. If he had never done it then it would have been a bidah.

Quran was already written during lifetime of prophet , in various forms , he merely compiled that . He did not change the fundamentals. He did not add or subtract any ayat.

Yes I am aware of fatwas of scholars but you do not have proper understanding of fatwas , fatwas are expert opinions , they are NOT revelations. When a scholar gives a fatwa he has to show evidence from quran and hadith otherwise his fatwa has NO value.

Those who gave the fatwa were wrong as proved from there own sects who give azan on Loudspeakers. I give you example , prophet did tawaf on camel , or some companions come for hajj by walking or on donkeys and camel . Now some barelvi Moulvis will say it is bidah. It is NOT , because that is a mode of transport , whatever means you use the reward of hajj would be same , NO one says since prophet used camel it will be better.

Ibn Tayimah did make this statement but did Ibn tayimah give any evidence from Quran and sunnah ?

If any scholar has approved of Milad , then there will double who has disapproved it , but that is NOT the issue. All the scholars whether they approve or not agree that Quran and Hadeeth is the jurisprudence of Islam. So when they all agree to that , the evidence is sought from there , not through the actions of Muslims.

My humble contention is that the companions loved the prophet , they were ( most of them ) were better than a lot of us , they had opportunity to celebrate the birth of Muhammad SAW , but they never did that to get that reward , what does that show ?

 

[srh]

Saw the video where they are presenting a girl as a hoor this is cringeworthy.

I remember reading that this is how idol worshipping started: once pious humans passed away then remaining people will remember their good deeds; then idea was planted that we should create statues to make it easy to remember those pious people; then further generations start attaching God's attributes to those statues and eventually full blown idol worshipping started.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Saw the video where they are presenting a girl as a hoor this is cringeworthy.

I remember reading that this is how idol worshipping started: once pious humans passed away then remaining people will remember their good deeds; then idea was planted that we should create statues to make it easy to remember those pious people; then further generations start attaching God's attributes to those statues and eventually full blown idol worshipping started.

You will actually struggle to find bigger munafiqs than many of them chest thumping "Ashiqan-e-rasool" (saw).

And yes, this is how idol worship starts.
One step in the wrong direction leads to nothing but getting lost and getting astray from the target.

Imagine the empty local mosques during Fajr prayers and one wonders how many of these blood thirsty, chest thumping Ashiq's show up for Fajr prayers which is FARZ and there will be Q/A on it on the day of judgement? I wonder how many of these dancers actually pay full zakaat?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Manufactured belief systems honour their messiahs more exuberantly than any festival the world over yet honouring The Greatest of Creation causes rucktion?. The same state sponsoring this schism too busy buying cathedrals on hills and bombing one of the places The Prophet SAW prayed for and couldn't care less for Syria.

 

[ataullah]

All for celebrating it but we need to change the way we celebrate it.

It shouldn't be a freakin' party with glimmering lights and decorations and fancy cake cutting for God's sake. That looks cringey as heck!

 

[ataullah]

Milad is a great thing but should not add innovation to it. In Rabiul awal we should remember our beloved prophets life with speeches, naats but not lighting and cutting cakes. Would our beloved prophet ﷺ be happy if we followed him or if we cut a cake on his behalf?

 

[Justcrazy]

Milad is a great thing but should not add innovation to it. In Rabiul awal we should remember our beloved prophets life with speeches, naats but not lighting and cutting cakes. Would our beloved prophet ﷺ be happy if we followed him or if we cut a cake on his behalf?

Anything done with intention of reward not told by or done by prophet is innovation and misguidance . It is very clear,

 

[gani999]

While growing up in India even we non-muslims welcomed it, as it gave us a holiday from the tyrannical school teachers. I haven't seen any of my muslim friends celebrate it in anyway, like they do at the end of Ramadan. Always wondered why.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

well no reference has been found yet.