Should Mawlid (Eid Milad-un-Nabi) be celebrated?

[shamaan]

I’m not.

I’m saying your extrapolation of using the Hadith saying to fast Monday and Thursday to justify celebrating Mawlid and ignoring this Hadith is incorrect:

Jabir ibn ‘Abdillah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would praise Allah in his sermon, as He deserves to be praised, and then say, “Whomever Allah guides, no one can lead him astray. Whomever Allah sends astray, no one can guide him. The truest word is the Book of Allah, and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil matters in religion are those that are newly invented, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.”

Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 1578

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

The hadith clearly states it was the day I was born so muhammrd saw did shukr by fasting.

All biddah and many more.

Fixing congregational prayer times with the clock times.
Tarawee prayer.
Names of Surahs written in the Qur’an

 

[Suleiman]

The hadith clearly states it was the day I was born so muhammrd saw did shukr by fasting.

All biddah and many more.

Fixing congregational prayer times with the clock times.
Tarawee prayer.
Names of Surahs written in the Qur’an

Taraweeh is not bid’ah. The Prophet PBUH used to do it but emphasized that it was not obligatory.

Congregational prayer times even with the clocks are still based on the position of the sun as described in the Quran.

Quran was being written down during the time of Prophet Muhammad PBUH as well. Writing the name of the Surah does not add or subtract from worship.

All 3 things above were practiced by the sahaba, especially those closest to Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

Which sahaba went out of their way to celebrate Mawlid? When did Rasul Ullah PBUH celebrate Mawlid?

Fasting Monday and Thursday is not celebrating Mawlid btw

@LordJames @BunnyRabbit @sweep_shot @aboveandbeyond fact check me if I got any of these wrong brothers, I am not a scholar.

 

[LordJames]

The hadith clearly states it was the day I was born so muhammrd saw did shukr by fasting.

All biddah and many more.

Fixing congregational prayer times with the clock times.
Tarawee prayer.
Names of Surahs written in the Qur’an

Dear Brother Shamaan,

1. Fasting on any Monday to celebrate the birth of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is fine
2. Fasting on a specific Monday even in Rabiul-Awwal or any other time is not Sunnah. Please let us know which Sahabi specifically targeted a specific Monday?

Namaz Times:
[4:103] Surely, Salāh is an obligation on the believers that is tied up with time.

ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ ۚ إِنَّ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ كَانَتْ عَلَى ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ كِتَـٰبًۭا مَّوْقُوتًۭا

پھر جن تم نماز پڑھ چکو تو یاد کرو اللہ کو کھڑے اور بیٹھے اور لیٹے 1 پھر جب خوف جاتا رہے تو درست کرو نماز کو بیشک نماز مسلمانوں پر فرض ہے اپنے مقررہ وقتوں میں​

The word "Waqt" is in the Qur'aan.

Taraweeh:
The time, the manner and Rakaat are all mentioned in Ahadeeth.

Names of Surah:

Some names are from Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) and others are from Sahaba. Please tell me which one is randomly picked?​

 

[shamaan]

Taraweeh is not bid’ah. The Prophet PBUH used to do it but emphasized that it was not obligatory.

Congregational prayer times even with the clocks are still based on the position of the sun as described in the Quran.

Quran was being written down during the time of Prophet Muhammad PBUH as well. worship.

All 3 things above were practiced by the sahaba, especially those closest to Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

Which sahaba went out of their way to celebrate Mawlid? When did Rasul Ullah PBUH celebrate Mawlid?

Fasting Monday and Thursday is not celebrating Mawlid btw

@LordJames @BunnyRabbit @sweep_shot @aboveandbeyond fact check me if I got any of these wrong brothers, I am not a scholar.

Did the Muhammed saw do it every single day of the month the answer is no.

Magrib and fair are based upon position of the sun.what about zuhr and asr and isha.

Writing the name of the Surah does not add or subtract (still a bidah).



The term Mawlid is derived from the Arabic root word walad, meaning "to give birth" or "descendant" like the hadith states Prophet muhammed Fasted on Monday because that was the day the best of creation was born.

 

[LordJames]

Did the Muhammed saw do it every single day of the month the answer is no.

Magrib and fair are based upon position of the sun.what about zuhr and asr and isha.

Writing the name of the Surah does not add or subtract (still a bidah).



The term Mawlid is derived from the Arabic root word walad, meaning "to give birth" or "descendant" like the hadith states Prophet muhammed Fasted on Monday because that was the day the best of creation was born.

Dear @shamaan

Please understand that it is best to follow the clear Sunnah for us which was followed by the Sahabah. The Sahabah were greater lovers then us.

Thanks for your time.

 

[shamaan]

Dear @shamaan

Please understand that it is best to follow the clear Sunnah for us which was followed by the Sahabah. The Sahabah were greater lovers then us.

Thanks for your time.

They didn't need to celebrate mawlid as Everyday was mawlid for the sahabah.

Do you know better than imaam sayuti,Imaam Shafi any major scholars ?

 

[Justcrazy]

Tarawee is a bidah
compiled quran together biddah
Fixing congregational prayer times with the clock times

All biddah

Brother all these points you are raising , I have answered them 3 - 4 years back in this very thread before. You want me to answer same points again and again and again.

In these kinds of threads if you are interested in debating , then at least make an effort of going through the replies so that you can come up with something challenging to talk about ?

The three things you mentioned above do not fall under bidah .

Taraweeh of qyam ul layl was prayed by the prophet for three days .

Compiling the Quran is facilitating its safety , it is not compiling something different text. It was already available in written form. For example now you read the same Quran on laptops or Mobile , the text is same .

Time for salah was fixed even in the time of the prophet , clocks simply bring in more precision.

Do you have any more arguments ?

 

[BouncerGuy]

The best way to celebrate it to FAST on this day. These lights and models are all nothing but waste of money...

 

[Justcrazy]

They didn't need to celebrate mawlid as Everyday was mawlid for the sahabah.

Do you know better than imaam sayuti,Imaam Shafi any major scholars ?

Brother scholars views will be accepted only when they give evidence . Will you accept Ashraf Ali Thanvi as mujadid of this era , why not , do you know more than the other Deobandi scholars?

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Dear @shamaan

Please understand that it is best to follow the clear Sunnah for us which was followed by the Sahabah. The Sahabah were greater lovers then us.

Thanks for your time.

not true entirely because the same Sahaba's turned on the Prophet's family afterwards.

One can only see the true love and following from Prophet's family.

Even in our lives, we can only see the value of us through our kids, not our friends.

The 2nd Caliph was responsible for Prophet's daughter demise. He took the land that was rightfully hers.

So these Sahabahs did turn and weren't pure from sins as some molvis portray them.

I am not saying we are better than them or anything but these Sahabas aren't angels, they are human beings just like us.

 

[Free Hit]

Yes should be celebrated, every Muslim is happy on this occasion

 

[LordJames]

They didn't need to celebrate mawlid as Everyday was mawlid for the sahabah.

Do you know better than imaam sayuti,Imaam Shafi any major scholars ?

Dear Brother Shamaan,

Imam Shafi (RA) never either performed Mawlid nor wrote about it to my knowledge, please share it if you know something.

Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti [1455-1505] was a much later scholar while Prophet Muhammad ﷺ passed away in 632! Even if we take Imam Suyuti (RA)'s text on Mawlid almost 9000 years later, it says:

أصل عمل المولد الذي هو اجتماع الناس وقراءة ما تيسر من القرآن ورواية الأخبار الواردة في مولد النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، ثم يمد لهم سماط يأكلونه وينصرفون من غير زيادة على ذلك: هو من البدع الحسنة التي يثاب عليها صاحبها، لما فيه من تعظيم قدر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وإظهار الفرح والاستبشار بمولده الشريف.​

To commemorate the mawlid which is basically gathering people together, reciting parts of the Quran, narrating stories about the Prophet's birth ﷺ and signs that accompanied it, then serving food and afterwards departing, is one of the good innovations ; and the one who practices it gets rewarded, because it involves venerating the status of the Prophet ﷺ and expressing joy for his honorable birth.

Is this how people are doing it today?

This is what @Justcrazy is saying that it didn't exist until centuries later after Prophet Muhammad ﷺ

There exists no reference at all , it was started about 600 years after death of prophet. Celebration of birth is not any event in Islam. Otherwise Allah swt would have said something about date of births of certain prophets or even Muhammad SAW would have mentioned something about births of other prophets. The whole thing is farce.

If anything existed in Deen which could give us rewards , prophet would have himself done that and told us. Why will he himself not practice that ? This is why prophets are sent for. They themselves show us by practical examples.

Forget Sahaba even after 500 years later there was nothing, please share it with me.

Btw are people in Pakistan following Shafi Madhab now??? Why are you leaving Hanafi Madhab and going to Shafi Madhab for Mawlid?

Do you also say Ameen loud and combine Namaz?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Everyone needs to open here, every 'sect' has their own types of innovations. To me this is one of the minor ones, its remembrance of the greatest man to ever walk this Earth.

The we have other sects such as the Wahabist/Salafis (so called) who have literarily applied some backward medieval type of thought which has no basis. They are also known as Arab Zionists, who helped the enemies of Islam retake Jerusalem and have control of the two holy mosques. They wear their trousers upto their shins, grow their beards to an untidy level and do not care for other Muslims, spreading hate. This is the type of innovation people should concetrate on.

 

[LordJames]

Everyone needs to open here, every 'sect' has their own types of innovations. To me this is one of the minor ones, its remembrance of the greatest man to ever walk this Earth.

The we have other sects such as the Wahabist/Salafis (so called) who have literarily applied some backward medieval type of thought which has no basis. They are also known as Arab Zionists, who helped the enemies of Islam retake Jerusalem and have control of the two holy mosques. They wear their trousers upto their shins, grow their beards to an untidy level and do not care for other Muslims, spreading hate. This is the type of innovation people should concetrate on.

Absolutely true. Everyone should dig deep and reflect on their practices and biases.

But please understand something:​

1. Growing a Beard and trousers above the ankle is Sunnah so don't let a person's actions reflect upon the noble habits of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ​
2. Practicing Muslims should absolutely do better and should set an example​
3. For every thief and corrupt person with a Beard, I can show one without a Beard, in fact there are more thief & Corrupt people without a long Beard then with a long Bread​

Growing a Beard is Sunnah and every man will be questioned about it, if someone is lying and thieving and cheating it does not absolve me from not following the Sunnah.

But your point is valid.

I am making @shamaan think about the issue and its upto him to weigh the Pros & Cons

But I am sick of Haram Police too...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Absolutely true. Everyone should dig deep and reflect on their practices and biases.

But please understand something:​

1. Growing a Beard and trousers above the ankle is Sunnah so don't let a person's actions reflect upon the noble habits of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ​
2. Practicing Muslims should absolutely do better and should set an example​
3. For every thief and corrupt person with a Beard, I can show one without a Beard, in fact there are more thief & Corrupt people without a long Beard then with a long Bread​

Growing a Beard is Sunnah and every man will be questioned about it, if someone is lying and thieving and cheating it does not absolve me from not following the Sunnah.

But your point is valid.

I am making @shamaan think about the issue and its upto him to weigh the Pros & Cons

But I am sick of Haram Police too...

I have a beard too but its neat and tidy, sadly not long but what a human should look like not how some of these folk, more like simians. Islam as you know demands clean and looking smart(to an extent), with many hadiths showing how to do this. What they are doing is not Sunnah, similar to the ISIS(Khwarij) with longer hair than women. The hadith of wearing trousers above ankles is not literal, its pointing to those rich folk who wore robes , dragging them on the floor with arrogance, this hadith has a bigger meaning. These innovations are not only wrong but dangerous.

I just think the people doing Mawlid are yearly attacked but the other chaps arent.

 

[Justcrazy]

not true entirely because the same Sahaba's turned on the Prophet's family afterwards.

One can only see the true love and following from Prophet's family.

Even in our lives, we can only see the value of us through our kids, not our friends.

The 2nd Caliph was responsible for Prophet's daughter demise. He took the land that was rightfully hers.

So these Sahabahs did turn and weren't pure from sins as some molvis portray them.

I am not saying we are better than them or anything but these Sahabas aren't angels, they are human beings just like us.

I would request you to talk about these things in another thread , this is specifically related to Milad . If we discuss other things , it would disturb the continuity.

 

[Justcrazy]

Everyone needs to open here, every 'sect' has their own types of innovations. To me this is one of the minor ones, its remembrance of the greatest man to ever walk this Earth.

The we have other sects such as the Wahabist/Salafis (so called) who have literarily applied some backward medieval type of thought which has no basis. They are also known as Arab Zionists, who helped the enemies of Islam retake Jerusalem and have control of the two holy mosques. They wear their trousers upto their shins, grow their beards to an untidy level and do not care for other Muslims, spreading hate. This is the type of innovation people should concetrate on.

I have spoken on that as well , I am not quiet about that. If tomorrow a salafi also does that , my stance would remain the same. During the time of prophet if someone consumed alcohol and was caught was punished as per shariah , so it does not matter in Islam who the person is. Islam does not promote personality worship.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have spoken on that as well , I am not quiet about that. If tomorrow a salafi also does that , my stance would remain the same. During the time of prophet if someone consumed alcohol and was caught was punished as per shariah , so it does not matter in Islam who the person is. Islam does not promote personality worship.

Maybe we need a thread, if Im wrong then I will accept this. But with the current genocide in Palestine, its high time these deviants(not all are) are called out.

 

[Justcrazy]

Maybe we need a thread, if Im wrong then I will accept this. But with the current genocide in Palestine, its high time these deviants(not all are) are called out.

I have always been against mob mentality . People have right express there opinions , if you do not like that just refute with knowledge , setting up mob against people and harming them is not the right mind set. Unfortunately in Pakistan the Moulvi culture has destroyed the country. Its a sad situation that anyone can get up and charge anyone with anything and get the mob kill that person.

 

[IronShield]

If you want to celebrate go ahead.

But

Don't ram it down everyone's throat and make out that it's an essential tenet of the religion. It is not.

You are an equally good muslim if you choose not to celebrate.

 

[shamaan]

Dear Brother Shamaan,

Imam Shafi (RA) never either performed Mawlid nor wrote about it to my knowledge, please share it if you know something.

Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti [1455-1505] was a much later scholar while Prophet Muhammad ﷺ passed away in 632! Even if we take Imam Suyuti (RA)'s text on Mawlid almost 9000 years later, it says:

أصل عمل المولد الذي هو اجتماع الناس وقراءة ما تيسر من القرآن ورواية الأخبار الواردة في مولد النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، ثم يمد لهم سماط يأكلونه وينصرفون من غير زيادة على ذلك: هو من البدع الحسنة التي يثاب عليها صاحبها، لما فيه من تعظيم قدر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وإظهار الفرح والاستبشار بمولده الشريف.​

To commemorate the mawlid which is basically gathering people together, reciting parts of the Quran, narrating stories about the Prophet's birth ﷺ and signs that accompanied it, then serving food and afterwards departing, is one of the good innovations ; and the one who practices it gets rewarded, because it involves venerating the status of the Prophet ﷺ and expressing joy for his honorable birth.

Is this how people are doing it today?

This is what @Justcrazy is saying that it didn't exist until centuries later after Prophet Muhammad ﷺ



Forget Sahaba even after 500 years later there was nothing, please share it with me.

Btw are people in Pakistan following Shafi Madhab now??? Why are you leaving Hanafi Madhab and going to Shafi Madhab for Mawlid?

Do you also say Ameen loud and combine Namaz?

Is this how people are doing it today?
How else do people celebrate it also I am not from pakistan but good try.

So if I quote shafi does that make me shafi.If I quote someone from the hanafi madhab will you except it.

@Justcrazy says all biddah are bad correct me if I am wrong.He also doesn't except the hadith about fasting on Mondays.

 

[LordJames]

Is this how people are doing it today?
How else do people celebrate it also I am not from pakistan but good try.

So if I quote shafi does that make me shafi.If I quote someone from the hanafi madhab will you except it.

@Justcrazy says all biddah are bad correct me if I am wrong.He also doesn't except the hadith about fasting on Mondays.

Dear Brother @shamaan,

1. Yes, for my knowledge please quote me the earliest sources of Hanafi Madhab
2. Prophet Muhammad passed away in 632
3. Imam Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti lived from [1455-1505] and he was a Shaf'ae.

Do you understand the simple point that the reference you are quoting is from outside your Madhab and 900 years later? How come the Hanafi Madhab doesn't have this matter discussed in it?

Once again, you can choose to follow whatever or whoever you want but just making it clear to what you are quoting.

I don't know what @Justcrazy is saying but Fasting on Monday (any Monday) is Sunnah as stated by Dr Aminah Bilal Phillips and many others.

Thanks

 

[shamaan]

Dear Brother @shamaan,

1. Yes, for my knowledge please quote me the earliest sources of Hanafi Madhab
2. Prophet Muhammad passed away in 632
3. Imam Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti lived from [1455-1505] and he was a Shaf'ae.

Do you understand the simple point that the reference you are quoting is from outside your Madhab and 900 years later? How come the Hanafi Madhab doesn't have this matter discussed in it?

Once again, you can choose to follow whatever or whoever you want but just making it clear to what you are quoting.

I don't know what @Justcrazy is saying but Fasting on Monday (any Monday) is Sunnah as stated by Dr Aminah Bilal Phillips and many others.

Thanks

Do you understand that we except all four madhabs.

Hadrat Anas (Radiyallahu Anhu), in the Sunan of Imam Bayhaqi, (v.9 p.300 no. 43), states that the Prophet (ﷺ) sacrificed some animals and performed an aqiqa for himself after the announcement of his Prophethood.
Imam Suyuti states that”this was not an aqiqah done in the traditional sense since his grandfather had already performed it.It is not possible to repeat an act of Shari’ah once it is already done. Imam Suyuti states that the reason for the sacrifice of the animals was an act of thankfulness and a celebration done by the Prophet (ﷺ) for his birth. Imam Suyuti concludes that it is mustahab (advisable) for us to celebrate the mawlid in ijtima (collectively) since the Prophet (ﷺ) sacrificed animals and distributed the food and thus we too should have a gathering and distribute food and rejoice in a good manner.” (‘Husn Maqsid fî `Amal-il mawlid by Imâm Jalâl ad-Dîn Suyûtî, pp. 64-6).
So As-Suhaili mentioned that Al-`Abbas[10] said: When Abu Lahab died, I saw him in my dream after some time in an evil state. He said to me, “I have not come to receive any rest after you except that the punishment is lightened on me every Monday”. And that is because the Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was born on a Monday and the servant girl Thuwaibah gave Abu Lahab the glad tidings of his birth and as a response to that, Abu Lahab freed her.

Yes fasting is sunnah and it was the day our Prophet muhammed saw was born agreed.

 

[Justcrazy]

Is this how people are doing it today?
How else do people celebrate it also I am not from pakistan but good try.

So if I quote shafi does that make me shafi.If I quote someone from the hanafi madhab will you except it.

@Justcrazy says all biddah are bad correct me if I am wrong.He also doesn't except the hadith about fasting on Mondays.

I am not saying that , that is what the prophet said

Whomever Allah guides, no one can lead him astray. Whomever Allah sends astray, no one can guide him. The truest word is the Book of Allah, and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil matters in religion are those that are newly invented, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.”

( Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 1578 )

This is explicit hadeeth , prophet did not differentiate between good and bad bidats.

Also , if you differentiate then there is a grave issue , who will determine what is good and what is bad ?

And again you lied when you said I did not accept the hadeeth of fasting on Mondays , i accepted that hadeeth , but you did not answer my question.

Did the prophet celebrate his birth every week ?
Second , If that was the conclusion to draw from the hadeeth , why did not a single companion follow that ?

 

[Justcrazy]

Do you understand that we except all four madhabs.

Hadrat Anas (Radiyallahu Anhu), in the Sunan of Imam Bayhaqi, (v.9 p.300 no. 43), states that the Prophet (ﷺ) sacrificed some animals and performed an aqiqa for himself after the announcement of his Prophethood.
Imam Suyuti states that”this was not an aqiqah done in the traditional sense since his grandfather had already performed it.It is not possible to repeat an act of Shari’ah once it is already done. Imam Suyuti states that the reason for the sacrifice of the animals was an act of thankfulness and a celebration done by the Prophet (ﷺ) for his birth. Imam Suyuti concludes that it is mustahab (advisable) for us to celebrate the mawlid in ijtima (collectively) since the Prophet (ﷺ) sacrificed animals and distributed the food and thus we too should have a gathering and distribute food and rejoice in a good manner.” (‘Husn Maqsid fî `Amal-il mawlid by Imâm Jalâl ad-Dîn Suyûtî, pp. 64-6).
So As-Suhaili mentioned that Al-`Abbas[10] said: When Abu Lahab died, I saw him in my dream after some time in an evil state. He said to me, “I have not come to receive any rest after you except that the punishment is lightened on me every Monday”. And that is because the Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was born on a Monday and the servant girl Thuwaibah gave Abu Lahab the glad tidings of his birth and as a response to that, Abu Lahab freed her.

Yes fasting is sunnah and it was the day our Prophet muhammed saw was born agreed.

The hadeeth of abu lahab you mentioned is in Bukhari .

Now , the key points here are.
1. Abu lahab freed a slave ONLY once , not every Year.
2. He was happy on the birth of his nephew , not as a prophet , because he never accepted him as a prophet.
3. None of the companions started freeing slaves after they came to know about this incident.

Now , if you want to do istedal from this hadeeth it is very very weak , but still you want to go ahead then do sadqa.

 

[LordJames]

Do you understand that we except all four madhabs.

Hadrat Anas (Radiyallahu Anhu), in the Sunan of Imam Bayhaqi, (v.9 p.300 no. 43), states that the Prophet (ﷺ) sacrificed some animals and performed an aqiqa for himself after the announcement of his Prophethood.
Imam Suyuti states that”this was not an aqiqah done in the traditional sense since his grandfather had already performed it.It is not possible to repeat an act of Shari’ah once it is already done. Imam Suyuti states that the reason for the sacrifice of the animals was an act of thankfulness and a celebration done by the Prophet (ﷺ) for his birth. Imam Suyuti concludes that it is mustahab (advisable) for us to celebrate the mawlid in ijtima (collectively) since the Prophet (ﷺ) sacrificed animals and distributed the food and thus we too should have a gathering and distribute food and rejoice in a good manner.” (‘Husn Maqsid fî `Amal-il mawlid by Imâm Jalâl ad-Dîn Suyûtî, pp. 64-6).
So As-Suhaili mentioned that Al-`Abbas[10] said: When Abu Lahab died, I saw him in my dream after some time in an evil state. He said to me, “I have not come to receive any rest after you except that the punishment is lightened on me every Monday”. And that is because the Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was born on a Monday and the servant girl Thuwaibah gave Abu Lahab the glad tidings of his birth and as a response to that, Abu Lahab freed her.

Yes fasting is sunnah and it was the day our Prophet muhammed saw was born agreed.​

Dear Brother @shamaan​

1. You accept all 4 Madhabs to be correct.​
2. But you don't act on all 4 Madhabs at the same time, do you? For example do act on the rulings of "Hanafi" or "Shafi" Madhab when you are praying? Why don't you act on "Maliki" Madhab when you are praying?​

The issue is not fasting on any Monday or celebrating the birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) any day of the year.

The problem is fixing a (specific day) to be the birthday e.g. 12th of Rabiul-Awwal and declaring that specific day to be the birthday of Rasul-ullah (Peace be upon Him) and then performing fasting (which was for any Monday) or Qurbani (which can be for any day) and doing it on that specific day.

There is no evidence for Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him), Sahaba, Taba'een or Taba Taba'een or even later generations of performing specific fasting or worship etc on specific day of 12th of Rabil-Awwal or even in the specific month of Rabiul-Awwal. Thus, you cannot take general actions (of any Monday or anytime during the year) and start doing it on a specific day when there is no evidence in first 500-600 years of Islam for it.

Yesterday you said that everyday for Sahaba was Mawlid then how come Taba'een and Taba-Tabaween didn't do it?

I gave examples yesterday that if @shamaan fasted on Mondays because Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) fasted (due to Monday being his Birthday), no issues.

If @shamaan said lets have an event to celebrate the birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him), do some Nasheeds, listen to Seerah etc annd do all that while following the Sunnah throughout the year (any time), that would also be fine.

The problem is also not @shamaan just picking a random day (lets say Shabaan 14, 1447) and fasting because you love Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him)

The issue is specific day and declaring it to be Birthday of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) for which neither you nor Imam Suyuti (900 years later) has any evidence. You are quoting me someone 900 years later and after Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) for Mawlid, if this is such an important event what were Muslims for 900 years doing? The Imams of Madhabs are also silent on this matter, if this was so important why is there nothing in their writings about this specific day?

You are a free person and free to do as you chose and we are having a discussion and as long you understand the argument of the discussion.
​

 

[shamaan]

I am not saying that , that is what the prophet said

Whomever Allah guides, no one can lead him astray. Whomever Allah sends astray, no one can guide him. The truest word is the Book of Allah, and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil matters in religion are those that are newly invented, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.”

( Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 1578 )

This is explicit hadeeth , prophet did not differentiate between good and bad bidats.

Also , if you differentiate then there is a grave issue , who will determine what is good and what is bad ?

And again you lied when you said I did not accept the hadeeth of fasting on Mondays , i accepted that hadeeth , but you did not answer my question.

Did the prophet celebrate his birth every week ?
Second , If that was the conclusion to draw from the hadeeth , why did not a single companion follow that ?

Are you going to say the below is incorrect ,also if say all biddah then then includes Deen and Dunya (EVERY)


RasoolAllah [May Allah bless Him and grant Him peace] stated: “The person who introduced a good thing in Islam, shall obtain the reward for it and also the reward for those who adopt it. As for the one who introduces a bad thing (Bid’ah Sayyi ah) he will obtain the punishment for introducing it and also for those who adopt it, will also be punished.”

(Sahih Muslim in Kitaab-uz-Zakaat Tirmidhee chapter Eleleven).

You except that hadith said I was born on Monday and that's why our Prophet Muhammed saw fasted on Monday?

 

[shamaan]

The hadeeth of abu lahab you mentioned is in Bukhari .

Now , the key points here are.
1. Abu lahab freed a slave ONLY once , not every Year.
2. He was happy on the birth of his nephew , not as a prophet , because he never accepted him as a prophet.
3. None of the companions started freeing slaves after they came to know about this incident.

Now , if you want to do istedal from this hadeeth it is very very weak , but still you want to go ahead then do sadqa.

The hadeeth of abu lahab you mentioned is in Bukhari .

Now , the key points here are.
1. Abu lahab freed a slave ONLY once , not every Year.
2. He was happy on the birth of his nephew , not as a prophet , because he never accepted him as a prophet.
3. None of the companions started freeing slaves after they came to know about this incident.

Now , if you want to do istedal from this hadeeth it is very very weak , but still you want to go ahead then do sadqa.

Imam Shams-ud-din Dimishqi (Rahimuhullah) writes:

قد صح أن أبا لهب يخفف عنه عذاب النار في مثل يوم الاثنين لإعتاقه ثويبة سرورا بميلاد النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ثم أنشد:

إذا كان هذا كافرا جاء ذمه * وتبت يداه في الجحيم مخلدا
أتى أنه في يوم الاثنين دائما * يخفف عنه للسرور بأحمدا
فما الظن بالعبد الذي طول عمره * بأحمد مسرورا ومات موحدا

Translation: It is proven that Abu Lahab’s punishment of fire is reduced on every Monday because he rejoiced on brith of Prophet (salallaho alaihi wasalam) and freed the slave-woman Thawba (RA) When Abu Lahab, whose eternal abode is hell fire and regarding whom whole surah of Tabat Yada (i.e. Surah Lahab) was revealed, he gets Takhfif in his Adhaab every Monday then Imagine the situation of a (momin) who has spent his life in rejoicing over birth of Prophet (saw) and died as a Mawhid [ Mawrid as Sadi Fi Mawlid al Hadi by Imam al-Dimishqi and Imam Suyuti in Hassan al Maqsad fi Amal al Mawlid, Page No. 66]

 

[shamaan]

Dear Brother @shamaan​

1. You accept all 4 Madhabs to be correct.​
2. But you don't act on all 4 Madhabs at the same time, do you? For example do act on the rulings of "Hanafi" or "Shafi" Madhab when you are praying? Why don't you act on "Maliki" Madhab when you are praying?​

The issue is not fasting on any Monday or celebrating the birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) any day of the year.

The problem is fixing a (specific day) to be the birthday e.g. 12th of Rabiul-Awwal and declaring that specific day to be the birthday of Rasul-ullah (Peace be upon Him) and then performing fasting (which was for any Monday) or Qurbani (which can be for any day) and doing it on that specific day.

There is no evidence for Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him), Sahaba, Taba'een or Taba Taba'een or even later generations of performing specific fasting or worship etc on specific day of 12th of Rabil-Awwal or even in the specific month of Rabiul-Awwal. Thus, you cannot take general actions (of any Monday or anytime during the year) and start doing it on a specific day when there is no evidence in first 500-600 years of Islam for it.

Yesterday you said that everyday for Sahaba was Mawlid then how come Taba'een and Taba-Tabaween didn't do it?

I gave examples yesterday that if @shamaan fasted on Mondays because Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) fasted (due to Monday being his Birthday), no issues.

If @shamaan said lets have an event to celebrate the birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him), do some Nasheeds, listen to Seerah etc annd do all that while following the Sunnah throughout the year (any time), that would also be fine.

The problem is also not @shamaan just picking a random day (lets say Shabaan 14, 1447) and fasting because you love Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him)

The issue is specific day and declaring it to be Birthday of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) for which neither you nor Imam Suyuti (900 years later) has any evidence. You are quoting me someone 900 years later and after Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) for Mawlid, if this is such an important event what were Muslims for 900 years doing? The Imams of Madhabs are also silent on this matter, if this was so important why is there nothing in their writings about this specific day?

You are a free person and free to do as you chose and we are having a discussion and as long you understand the argument of the discussion.
​

Question number 2 you asked because clearly imaam abu hanafi says we should not joint prayers together (weak argument )Imaam Abu Hanafi didn't give a verdict on mawlid that doesn't mean we are shafi if we take the verdict of another imaam.like wise if we pray behind shafis does that make is shafi no.When we go hajj and we pray behind hanablilis does mean we are hanabilis no.

I will respond to the rest soon.






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[LordJames]

Question number 2 you asked because clearly imaam abu hanafi says we should not joint prayers together (weak argument )Imaam Abu Hanafi didn't give a verdict on mawlid that doesn't mean we are shafi if we take the verdict of another imaam.like wise if we pray behind shafis does that make is shafi no.When we go hajj and we pray behind hanablilis does mean we are hanabilis no.

I will respond to the rest soon.






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Dear @shamaan

Assuming that you are in "Pakistan"

1. In Pakistan
2. In Your city
3. In your local Mosque

Do you follow Imam Shaf'e or his Madhab in your Salah? So the question then becomes:

• IF Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) is Imam Al-Adham
• How come neither him nor his students Imam Abu Yusuf (RA) or Imam Muhammad (RA) and others (for hundreds of years) didn't rule on Mawlid

Why are you going to:

• A Shaf'ae Scholar
• 900 years after Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) to get a ruling on Mawlid?

Please do answer, your time is appreciated.

 

[shamaan]

Dear @shamaan

Assuming that you are in "Pakistan"

1. In Pakistan
2. In Your city
3. In your local Mosque

Do you follow Imam Shaf'e or his Madhab in your Salah? So the question then becomes:

• IF Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) is Imam Al-Adham
• How come neither him nor his students Imam Abu Yusuf (RA) or Imam Muhammad (RA) and others (for hundreds of years) didn't rule on Mawlid

Why are you going to:

• A Shaf'ae Scholar
• 900 years after Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) to get a ruling on Mawlid?

Please do answer, your time is appreciated.

I am not from pakistan I told you this already.

Hadrat Shah Abd al-Haq Muhaddith Dehlvi (may Allah have mercy on him), in his book "Ma Sabata min as-Sunnah" referring to the night of the blessed birth, of the holy Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) says:

"We would rather say that the night when the holy Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born is definitely superior to Lailat al-Qadr. This is so because the night of the birth is the night when he was manifested and Lailat al Qadr was bestowed on him (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam), and a thing which became blessed on account of him upon whom it was bestowed is more blessed than that which became blessed because of it being conferred upon him (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) and because Lailat al-Qadr is blessed because on this night Angels descend, and the night of the birth of the holy Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) is blessed because of himself (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam), and because Lailat al-Qadr is a blessing only for the Ummah of Muhammad (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) and the night of his blessed birth is a blessing for all beings. Thus the Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) is he who Allah Ta'Aala sent down as a mercy to all the worlds and it is through him that Allah completed His blessings on all His creations in all heavens and in all earth." [Ma Sabata Min as-Sunnah, Page 82,

After relating Abu Lahab’s relief on setting Thuwaibha free, Hadrat Maulana Shah Abdul Haq Dehlvi in his famous book Madarij an-Nabuwwah says:

"This event provides a clear proof to those who celebrate Milad Sharif by rejoicing and alms giving on the night of the birth of the holy Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam), People of Makkah gather on 12th Rabi al-Awwal to is it the house in which the Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born. Only because he was his nephew, he has been receiving, in spite of this being an idolater, the benefits of thus rejoicing in his grave every Monday, then how much more blessing will fall to the lot of him who acknowledges the Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) as the beloved of ALLAH and His true Prophet, and celebrates Milad Sharif repeatedly.” [Madarij an-Nabuwwah, Vol. 2, Page 34, Publisher: Zia al-Quran Publication]

Did any of the Imaams give rulings on every single thing.Like i said if I read behind a shafi does that make me shafi the answer is NO.

 

[LordJames]

I am not from pakistan I told you this already.

Hadrat Shah Abd al-Haq Muhaddith Dehlvi (may Allah have mercy on him), in his book "Ma Sabata min as-Sunnah" referring to the night of the blessed birth, of the holy Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) says:

"We would rather say that the night when the holy Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born is definitely superior to Lailat al-Qadr. This is so because the night of the birth is the night when he was manifested and Lailat al Qadr was bestowed on him (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam), and a thing which became blessed on account of him upon whom it was bestowed is more blessed than that which became blessed because of it being conferred upon him (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) and because Lailat al-Qadr is blessed because on this night Angels descend, and the night of the birth of the holy Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) is blessed because of himself (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam), and because Lailat al-Qadr is a blessing only for the Ummah of Muhammad (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) and the night of his blessed birth is a blessing for all beings. Thus the Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) is he who Allah Ta'Aala sent down as a mercy to all the worlds and it is through him that Allah completed His blessings on all His creations in all heavens and in all earth." [Ma Sabata Min as-Sunnah, Page 82,

After relating Abu Lahab’s relief on setting Thuwaibha free, Hadrat Maulana Shah Abdul Haq Dehlvi in his famous book Madarij an-Nabuwwah says:

"This event provides a clear proof to those who celebrate Milad Sharif by rejoicing and alms giving on the night of the birth of the holy Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam), People of Makkah gather on 12th Rabi al-Awwal to is it the house in which the Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born. Only because he was his nephew, he has been receiving, in spite of this being an idolater, the benefits of thus rejoicing in his grave every Monday, then how much more blessing will fall to the lot of him who acknowledges the Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) as the beloved of ALLAH and His true Prophet, and celebrates Milad Sharif repeatedly.” [Madarij an-Nabuwwah, Vol. 2, Page 34, Publisher: Zia al-Quran Publication]

Did any of the Imaams give rulings on every single thing.Like i said if I read behind a shafi does that make me shafi the answer is NO.

Dear Brother @shamaan,

Do you understand what I am asking?

How does any of this prove that the Birthday or Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) is on a specific day? Do you

Of course the birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him)is the most blessed, Alhumdolillah.

None of this proves celebrating the Birthday on a specific day. How does it?

 

[Major]

Its ironic how we hear islam is a religion of peace yet every year it becomes an issue for people whether to celebrate the prophets birthday or not.

There is nothing wrong in lighting up your whole street with lights to celebrate this occasion and have a festivitie feeling to it.

I loved how they would celebrate it in the center of rawalpindi where the whole mohalla would be lit up with lightings, people giving out food.

Sadly its not the same anymore.

 

[Justcrazy]

Imam Shams-ud-din Dimishqi (Rahimuhullah) writes:

قد صح أن أبا لهب يخفف عنه عذاب النار في مثل يوم الاثنين لإعتاقه ثويبة سرورا بميلاد النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ثم أنشد:

إذا كان هذا كافرا جاء ذمه * وتبت يداه في الجحيم مخلدا
أتى أنه في يوم الاثنين دائما * يخفف عنه للسرور بأحمدا
فما الظن بالعبد الذي طول عمره * بأحمد مسرورا ومات موحدا

Translation: It is proven that Abu Lahab’s punishment of fire is reduced on every Monday because he rejoiced on brith of Prophet (salallaho alaihi wasalam) and freed the slave-woman Thawba (RA) When Abu Lahab, whose eternal abode is hell fire and regarding whom whole surah of Tabat Yada (i.e. Surah Lahab) was revealed, he gets Takhfif in his Adhaab every Monday then Imagine the situation of a (momin) who has spent his life in rejoicing over birth of Prophet (saw) and died as a Mawhid [ Mawrid as Sadi Fi Mawlid al Hadi by Imam al-Dimishqi and Imam Suyuti in Hassan al Maqsad fi Amal al Mawlid, Page No. 66]

Brother have you read my comment before answering ?

You simply give statement of a scholar , but does that answer my three points I raised?

Imam Dimishqi has expressed his opinion here , it is NOT revelation from Allah swt. My expectation from you is that you answer my three points that I raised. You can go and collect all your Barelvis Moulvis dead or alive , but will never answer those three points , so answer my three points and shut my mouth.

 

[Justcrazy]

Are you going to say the below is incorrect ,also if say all biddah then then includes Deen and Dunya (EVERY)


RasoolAllah [May Allah bless Him and grant Him peace] stated: “The person who introduced a good thing in Islam, shall obtain the reward for it and also the reward for those who adopt it. As for the one who introduces a bad thing (Bid’ah Sayyi ah) he will obtain the punishment for introducing it and also for those who adopt it, will also be punished.”

(Sahih Muslim in Kitaab-uz-Zakaat Tirmidhee chapter Eleleven).

You except that hadith said I was born on Monday and that's why our Prophet Muhammed saw fasted on Monday?

Do you understand English ? I already told you in the first post I wrote in your reply , that when you are discussing this topic kindly read the thread properly before commenting. But I see every time a new Barelvi pops up and keeps making the same point again and again. Even though that has been answered 100 times.

The hadeeth that you mentioned , you simply copy pasted from some barelvi website , but never bothered to either search or read yourself. This is the issue with taqlidi mentality.

For your information I answered this point in this very thread in post number 152
For your convenience I will copy paste that here. I hope you read this.

The whole hadith is in Muslim 117 A ( https://sunnah.com/muslim:1017a )

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمُثَنَّى الْعَنَزِيُّ، أَخْبَرَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنْ عَوْنِ، بْنِ أَبِي جُحَيْفَةَ عَنِ الْمُنْذِرِ بْنِ جَرِيرٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ كُنَّا عِنْدَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي صَدْرِ النَّهَارِ قَالَ فَجَاءَهُ قَوْمٌ حُفَاةٌ عُرَاةٌ مُجْتَابِي النِّمَارِ أَوِ الْعَبَاءِ مُتَقَلِّدِي السُّيُوفِ عَامَّتُهُمْ مِنْ مُضَرَ بَلْ كُلُّهُمْ مِنْ مُضَرَ فَتَمَعَّرَ وَجْهُ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم لِمَا رَأَى بِهِمْ مِنَ الْفَاقَةِ فَدَخَلَ ثُمَّ خَرَجَ فَأَمَرَ بِلاَلاً فَأَذَّنَ وَأَقَامَ فَصَلَّى ثُمَّ خَطَبَ فَقَالَ ‏"‏ ‏{‏ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمُ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُمْ مِنْ نَفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ‏}‏ إِلَى آخِرِ الآيَةِ ‏{‏ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلَيْكُمْ رَقِيبًا‏}‏ وَالآيَةَ الَّتِي فِي الْحَشْرِ ‏{‏ اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَلْتَنْظُرْ نَفْسٌ مَا قَدَّمَتْ لِغَدٍ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ‏}‏ تَصَدَّقَ رَجُلٌ مِنْ دِينَارِهِ مِنْ دِرْهَمِهِ مِنْ ثَوْبِهِ مِنْ صَاعِ بُرِّهِ مِنْ صَاعِ تَمْرِهِ - حَتَّى قَالَ - وَلَوْ بِشِقِّ تَمْرَةٍ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ فَجَاءَ رَجُلٌ مِنَ الأَنْصَارِ بِصُرَّةٍ كَادَتْ كَفُّهُ تَعْجِزُ عَنْهَا بَلْ قَدْ عَجَزَتْ - قَالَ - ثُمَّ تَتَابَعَ النَّاسُ حَتَّى رَأَيْتُ كَوْمَيْنِ مِنْ طَعَامٍ وَثِيَابٍ حَتَّى رَأَيْتُ وَجْهَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَتَهَلَّلُ كَأَنَّهُ مُذْهَبَةٌ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ مَنْ سَنَّ فِي الإِسْلاَمِ سُنَّةً حَسَنَةً فَلَهُ أَجْرُهَا وَأَجْرُ مَنْ عَمِلَ بِهَا بَعْدَهُ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يَنْقُصَ مِنْ أُجُورِهِمْ شَىْءٌ وَمَنْ سَنَّ فِي الإِسْلاَمِ سُنَّةً سَيِّئَةً كَانَ عَلَيْهِ وِزْرُهَا
وَوِزْرُ مَنْ عَمِلَ بِهَا مِنْ بَعْدِهِ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يَنْقُصَ مِنْ أَوْزَارِهِمْ شَىْءٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏


There is NO word of Bidah included in this hadith at all. What it says is sunnatun hasanatun and sunnatun sayiatun, that means good sunnah and bad sunnah.

Brother just mark my words , all the excuses your Barelvi Moulvis can show have been answered here. Ahmad Raza Khan in his whole life could not provide a single evidence of Milad , and for last 100 years NO new evidence has been brought forward by Moulvis who followed him. In matters of religion you need evidence , not emotions.

 

[Justcrazy]

Dear Brother @shamaan,

Do you understand what I am asking?

How does any of this prove that the Birthday or Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) is on a specific day? Do you

Of course the birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him)is the most blessed, Alhumdolillah.

None of this proves celebrating the Birthday on a specific day. How does it?

If celebrating birthdays was important then Allah swt could have told in Quran days when some of the prophets were born , even prophet Muhammad never told day of birth of any prophet and did anything on any specific day.

 

[Suleiman]

threads like these expose people’s true adherence to Islam and shows who is about Islam as it was revealed to our Prophet PBUH and realizing no issue is “minor” when it comes to bid’ah and shirk.

Then you have the others who are either a) sincere but misguided due to years of upbringing practicing a certain bid’ah and subconsciously struggle to let go of said bid’ah even in the face of authentic ahadith and ayat of Quran and b) Muslims who follow Islam “casually” and think anything goes as long as “it’s not harming anyone

”

Both are wrong and need to go and deep dive and study the life of Prophet Muhammad PBUH and realize that he set a precedent for us regarding no innovations and not taking things light… we will see ppl on here arguing for pages and pages and pages about Imran Khan, Virat Kohli, stats of their favorite player, football, stocks, Pak vs India wars etc but discussing and refuting innovation which is a clear sin in Islam- aka the most important subject in the life of a Muslim- now it’s “no big deal” and “let people live their life”

 

[Kianig89]

Might be wrong , but some of the sects even disagree on the date of birth ?

 

[IAJ]

Mawlid is a topic Ulema of Islam have disagreed upon and there is no condemnations in matters of genuine difference. If someone doesn’t feel comfortable with that, it is fine, but condemning a mainstream action approved by mainstream Islamic scholarship is the basis of division, and contrary to established principles.

Those who don't celebrate it, well ahlan wa sahlan, no issues.

But no wahabi should come here and tell people not to celebrate it. And some posters here are making this some Barelvi related act. Mawlid has been celebrated in the Arab world way before Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi (ra). It has been carefully considered and generally approved of right across the four school of mainstream Islamic law.

The Prophet (saw) celcebrated the day of the week in which he was born by fasting on Mondays - so why would celebrating the date of his birth, in permitted and sound ways be wrong?

General from the call in the Quran and Sunna to express thankfulness and rejoicing in the blessing and gift from Allah thas is our Beloved Messanger of Allah (saw)

In Islam we dont have the 10 commandments of 'dont do this or this or this etc'. Allah SWT gives us general principles that applies to many situations.

And I am not going into any discussions with the posters here, I refer to the real scholars of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaa'a in Pakistan, India, Jordan, Yemen, Egypt, Morocco and many many more countries. I am Alhamdullilah standing firm where I am, so again to my fellow-muslim brothers who celebrate Mawlid in a permitted and sound way: 'Keep doing that, this life is short, we will soon get the verdict on this action'.

 

[IAJ]

Tried to edit my post but could not. About the comment of those 10 commandments - Just heard this from a reliable scholar as I was typing.

 

[LordJames]

Might be wrong , but some of the sects even disagree on the date of birth ?

Dear @Kianig89

There is no Date of Birth. That is the exact point.

Mawlid is a topic Ulema of Islam have disagreed upon and there is no condemnations in matters of genuine difference. If someone doesn’t feel comfortable with that, it is fine, but condemning a mainstream action approved by mainstream Islamic scholarship is the basis of division, and contrary to established principles.

Those who don't celebrate it, well ahlan wa sahlan, no issues.

But no wahabi should come here and tell people not to celebrate it. And some posters here are making this some Barelvi related act. Mawlid has been celebrated in the Arab world way before Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi (ra). It has been carefully considered and generally approved of right across the four school of mainstream Islamic law.

The Prophet (saw) celcebrated the day of the week in which he was born by fasting on Mondays - so why would celebrating the date of his birth, in permitted and sound ways be wrong?

General from the call in the Quran and Sunna to express thankfulness and rejoicing in the blessing and gift from Allah thas is our Beloved Messanger of Allah (saw)

In Islam we dont have the 10 commandments of 'dont do this or this or this etc'. Allah SWT gives us general principles that applies to many situations.

And I am not going into any discussions with the posters here, I refer to the real scholars of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaa'a in Pakistan, India, Jordan, Yemen, Egypt, Morocco and many many more countries. I am Alhamdullilah standing firm where I am, so again to my fellow-muslim brothers who celebrate Mawlid in a permitted and sound way: 'Keep doing that, this life is short, we will soon get the verdict on this action'.

The celebration of the Birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) is not the issue and what sort of a messed up Muslim would not love or praise or celebrate the Birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) that is not the issue.

The issue here is celebrating that Birth on a specific day and the evidence which is being provided is by a Scholar who lived 900 years after Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him).

So for 900 years of Islam, nobody knew about this date, nobody confirmed it, nobody celebrated this particular date etc.

Specific examples have been given as to what I have said and what I have meant.

So I hope that nobody frames it in a way which is not the query.

And to your last point where there is no command then it cannot be regarded as Sunnah, at best it is permissible

 

[shamaan]

Brother have you read my comment before answering ?

You simply give statement of a scholar , but does that answer my three points I raised?

Imam Dimishqi has expressed his opinion here , it is NOT revelation from Allah swt. My expectation from you is that you answer my three points that I raised. You can go and collect all your Barelvis Moulvis dead or alive , but will never answer those three points , so answer my three points and shut my mouth.

What is your points and il respond to that,and I ain't going to go back to find the answers or questions you asked.

 

[shamaan]

Dear @Kianig89

There is no Date of Birth. That is the exact point.


The celebration of the Birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) is not the issue and what sort of a messed up Muslim would not love or praise or celebrate the Birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) that is not the issue.

The issue here is celebrating that Birth on a specific day and the evidence which is being provided is by a Scholar who lived 900 years after Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him).

So for 900 years of Islam, nobody knew about this date, nobody confirmed it, nobody celebrated this particular date etc.

Specific examples have been given as to what I have said and what I have meant.

So I hope that nobody frames it in a way which is not the query.

And to your last point where there is no command then it cannot be regarded as Sunnah, at best it is permissible

I agree we should not restrict it to a specific date as thier dispute regarding the date.He says its a biddah and all bidah lead to the hell fire according to the hadith.

 

[LordJames]

I agree we should not restrict it to a specific date as thier dispute regarding the date.He says its a biddah and all bidah lead to the hell fire according to the hadith.

Dear @shamaan

Then we are done.

There is no evidence of a specific date in Qur'aan and Sunnah. A person should celebrate the noble birth of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) anytime and every time.

Fasting on (any) Monday is established so no issues.

 

[Justcrazy]

What is your points and il respond to that,and I ain't going to go back to find the answers or questions you asked.

Okay , that is exactly why I copy pasted my previous answer. The Muslim hadeeth is misrepresented by Barelvi moulvis. This is not the one fault , there are other issues where they have fabricated and made aqeedahs themselves which have n o relevance in Quran and Hadeeth.

You yourself read the hadeeth , is there any mention of bidah? When the prophet explicitly said ALL Bidahs are misguided , did he differentiate ? NO.

So once prophet has said something about religion , No matter what a companion says or a Mufassir says or a Mujhtahid says , it does not matter. Final authority is the prophet because HE is the source of revelation.

 

[Justcrazy]

Might be wrong , but some of the sects even disagree on the date of birth ?

Yes , there is a difference of opinion.

 

[topspin]

threads like these expose people’s true adherence to Islam and shows who is about Islam as it was revealed to our Prophet PBUH and realizing no issue is “minor” when it comes to bid’ah and shirk.

Then you have the others who are either a) sincere but misguided due to years of upbringing practicing a certain bid’ah and subconsciously struggle to let go of said bid’ah even in the face of authentic ahadith and ayat of Quran and b) Muslims who follow Islam “casually” and think anything goes as long as “it’s not harming anyone

”

Both are wrong and need to go and deep dive and study the life of Prophet Muhammad PBUH and realize that he set a precedent for us regarding no innovations and not taking things light… we will see ppl on here arguing for pages and pages and pages about Imran Khan, Virat Kohli, stats of their favorite player, football, stocks, Pak vs India wars etc but discussing and refuting innovation which is a clear sin in Islam- aka the most important subject in the life of a Muslim- now it’s “no big deal” and “let people live their life”

Jazak Allah khair for saying this brother. As you say, when it comes to the topic of bid'ah/shirk, it should not be taken lightly.

I've been wanting to express my views on this topic but sadly I've had to sit this one out up until now because what I find is if you oppose certain acts of bid'ah/shirk, you end up being labelled as some "Wahabi" or an "extremist".

 

[Justcrazy]

Jazak Allah khair for saying this brother. As you say, when it comes to the topic of bid'ah/shirk, it should not be taken lightly.

I've been wanting to express my views on this topic but sadly I've had to sit this one out up until now because what I find is if you oppose certain acts of bid'ah/shirk, you end up being labelled as some "Wahabi" or an "extremist".

Yes I agree 100 % with you.

These terming others by different names like if you speak about tauheed tou are wahabi , if about love for prophet you are barelvi , if about ahlul bayat you are a shia ..... these are names given so that those who follow those Moulvis are brainwashed , and do not look for evidence but emotional rants.

If that does not work they will start making personal attacks like you do not have beard or your clothes are not Islamic , so that main topic is forgotten.

Bidat is a big sin because of a simple reason.
There are two conclusions when we do bidat , NO third one.

First is that the prophet knew that the certain thing we do was good deed to do and carried rewards , but he intentionally hide from the ummah.

Second , the prophet did not know that , but some sufi or scholar came to know about that deed which has rewards . That means believing some sufi or personality has direct access with Allah.

In both case whatever we choose , the least we can say it is a major sin , this is the least

 

[Suleiman]

Jazak Allah khair for saying this brother. As you say, when it comes to the topic of bid'ah/shirk, it should not be taken lightly.

I've been wanting to express my views on this topic but sadly I've had to sit this one out up until now because what I find is if you oppose certain acts of bid'ah/shirk, you end up being labelled as some "Wahabi" or an "extremist".

Don’t be afraid of such labels brothers. Muslim on haq has always been labeled by those who feel threatened by the truth… during the time of the sahaba the Mushrik called them “Sabi”, the Khwarij during the time of Uthman RA and onwards did takfeer Willy Nilly and called the then Sahaba on the truth Kaffir- Nauzu Billah.

We are nowhere near the sahaba ofc, but it puts into context, when you say the truth people will fight you, even other Muslims, despite clear evidence from Quran and Sunnah.

That’s why I suggested to those brothers hypnotized by this innovation that if you read the seerah of Rasul Ullah SAW and even the Sahaba after his SAW passing you will see how firm the sahaba were in ensuring best they could that no bid’ah was born no matter how much its potential practitioners tried to justify it because it “felt right”

True love for our Rasul SAW is drawing the line where he drew the line, as his closest companions drew the line after him. We are no one to step further.

Allah knows best and may He forgive me if I have erred, Ameen.

 

[topspin]

Yes I agree 100 % with you.

These terming others by different names like if you speak about tauheed tou are wahabi , if about love for prophet you are barelvi , if about ahlul bayat you are a shia ..... these are names given so that those who follow those Moulvis are brainwashed , and do not look for evidence but emotional rants.

If that does not work they will start making personal attacks like you do not have beard or your clothes are not Islamic , so that main topic is forgotten.

Bidat is a big sin because of a simple reason.
There are two conclusions when we do bidat , NO third one.

First is that the prophet knew that the certain thing we do was good deed to do and carried rewards , but he intentionally hide from the ummah.

Second , the prophet did not know that , but some sufi or scholar came to know about that deed which has rewards . That means believing some sufi or personality has direct access with Allah.

In both case whatever we choose , the least we can say it is a major sin , this is the least

Exactly, to call someone a "Wahabi" is basically a slur.

I've found arguing with most of them to be a waste of time. If you're going to call someone a "Wahabi", it just goes to show you're insecure about your beliefs if you can't control your emotions and resort to making personal attacks.

 

[topspin]

Don’t be afraid of such labels brothers. Muslim on haq has always been labeled by those who feel threatened by the truth… during the time of the sahaba the Mushrik called them “Sabi”, the Khwarij during the time of Uthman RA and onwards did takfeer Willy Nilly and called the then Sahaba on the truth Kaffir- Nauzu Billah.

We are nowhere near the sahaba ofc, but it puts into context, when you say the truth people will fight you, even other Muslims, despite clear evidence from Quran and Sunnah.

That’s why I suggested to those brothers hypnotized by this innovation that if you read the seerah of Rasul Ullah SAW and even the Sahaba after his SAW passing you will see how firm the sahaba were in ensuring best they could that no bid’ah was born no matter how much its potential practitioners tried to justify it because it “felt right”

True love for our Rasul SAW is drawing the line where he drew the line, as his closest companions drew the line after him. We are no one to step further.

Allah knows best and may He forgive me if I have erred, Ameen.

Ameen brother.

This is the problem, far too many of them overestimate their ability of applying the principles of Islam.

Those who support the practice of Milad argue there is no evidence that this was forbidden, so it is therefore permissible. This is a problematic position because if every believer applied this logic, everybody could come up with their version of Islam.

From what I have learnt, we shouldn't even be adhering to anything that has been derived merely from weak Hadiths. This just goes to show one has to go out of their way to carry out such bid'ah.

If you scroll up, it's really disappointing to see a couple of posters throw up the "Wahabi" label and use arguments like "Its ironic how we hear Islam is a religion of peace ...", which is something you would expect to hear from a Far Right Extremist.

 

[topspin]

I've read all the posts on this page and I want to highlight and address the ones shown below:

Its ironic how we hear islam is a religion of peace yet every year it becomes an issue for people whether to celebrate the prophets birthday or not.

Really disappointed to see this kind of rhetoric being regurgitated everywhere become we've heard it more than enough times from Far Right Extremists.

There is nothing wrong in lighting up your whole street with lights to celebrate this occasion and have a festivitie feeling to it.

Falling into sin is one thing but justifying it is a whole different kettle of fish. Live the life you want but please don't drag others down with you.

 

[Justcrazy]

Exactly, to call someone a "Wahabi" is basically a slur.

I've found arguing with most of them to be a waste of time. If you're going to call someone a "Wahabi", it just goes to show you're insecure about your beliefs if you can't control your emotions and resort to making personal attacks.

It is a slur , all these are religious slurs , and Moulvis use this when they have no answers. It intrigues me why you try and defend aqeedahs which have no basis on Quran and hadeeth. A common person doing Taqleed to an extent is fine , but imagine Mufti doing taqleed of earlier scholars of his sect ! then what is the point of you studying all these years.

 

[Justcrazy]

Ameen brother.

This is the problem, far too many of them overestimate their ability of applying the principles of Islam.

Those who support the practice of Milad argue there is no evidence that this was forbidden, so it is therefore permissible. This is a problematic position because if every believer applied this logic, everybody could come up with their version of Islam.

From what I have learnt, we shouldn't even be adhering to anything that has been derived merely from weak Hadiths. This just goes to show one has to go out of their way to carry out such bid'ah.

If you scroll up, it's really disappointing to see a couple of posters throw up the "Wahabi" label and use arguments like "Its ironic how we hear Islam is a religion of peace ...", which is something you would expect to hear from a Far Right Extremist.

If they are saying that it is not written that it is impermissible , that implies that it is permissible. This argument is used by barelvis.
Going by that Logic if tomorrow I say I will pray four rakkats in maghrib will it be okay? Can these people show me where it is written that we cannot ?

I recently had an argument with a barelvi , he presented a weak hadeeth. I mentioned to him the exact narrator who is weak there . You know what he said ? He says even if it is zaeef how does it matter , if your father becomes zaeef , will you reject him.

Imagine the mental state of these people !

 

[Major]

I've read all the posts on this page and I want to highlight and address the ones shown below:



Really disappointed to see this kind of rhetoric being regurgitated everywhere become we've heard it more than enough times from Far Right Extremists.



Falling into sin is one thing but justifying it is a whole different kettle of fish. Live the life you want but please don't drag others down with you.

here you go, here comes a guy who is making up his own versions of sin now.

 

[Major]

Mawlid is a topic Ulema of Islam have disagreed upon and there is no condemnations in matters of genuine difference. If someone doesn’t feel comfortable with that, it is fine, but condemning a mainstream action approved by mainstream Islamic scholarship is the basis of division, and contrary to established principles.

Those who don't celebrate it, well ahlan wa sahlan, no issues.

But no wahabi should come here and tell people not to celebrate it. And some posters here are making this some Barelvi related act. Mawlid has been celebrated in the Arab world way before Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi (ra). It has been carefully considered and generally approved of right across the four school of mainstream Islamic law.

The Prophet (saw) celcebrated the day of the week in which he was born by fasting on Mondays - so why would celebrating the date of his birth, in permitted and sound ways be wrong?

General from the call in the Quran and Sunna to express thankfulness and rejoicing in the blessing and gift from Allah thas is our Beloved Messanger of Allah (saw)

In Islam we dont have the 10 commandments of 'dont do this or this or this etc'. Allah SWT gives us general principles that applies to many situations.

And I am not going into any discussions with the posters here, I refer to the real scholars of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaa'a in Pakistan, India, Jordan, Yemen, Egypt, Morocco and many many more countries. I am Alhamdullilah standing firm where I am, so again to my fellow-muslim brothers who celebrate Mawlid in a permitted and sound way: 'Keep doing that, this life is short, we will soon get the verdict on this action'.

This is exactly the issue. People dont want to do something, fine, dont do it.

But than they come in and start judging others where one has even said drag others down. That is judgement right there. Apprently celebrating someones birthday is now dragging others down.

I am glad the Wahabis have reduced in Pakistan ever since MBS came in power and eliminated their madrassah funding in Pakistan. They had spread alot of hate in communities around here. These guys just cant stop from judging others. Collectively they are dumb people. No wonder Bin laden was amongst one of them

 

[Major]

Rawalpindi has its own very interesting history when it comes to celebrating the Milad



Before 1947, Rawalpindi was a very different city from what we see today. It was a diverse and bustling hub where Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims lived side by side. The old bazaars, Raja Bazaar, Bohar Bazaar, Banni, and others, were filled with temples, gurdwaras, and mosques standing close together. Each community openly celebrated its religious festivals, and the city streets would come alive throughout the year with processions, music, and decorations.

The Hindus had their Rath Yatras and temple parades. Sikhs celebrated their Nagar Kirtans, moving through the markets with their holy hymns, saffron flags, and decorated floats. Their processions were lively, colorful, and loud. At that time, Muslims did celebrate Eid Milad-un-Nabi, but it was mostly confined indoors, in mosques, homes, and mehfils , without large public rallies.

So as time went on, particularly during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the public expression of faith among different religious groups grew stronger. The Sikh and Hindu processions often passed through Muslim-majority neighborhoods, including Raja Bazaar, Bohar Bazaar, and the narrow lanes near Jamia Masjid. Tensions sometimes flared when loud music, hymns, or chanting clashed with the sensibilities of the other communities. Historical accounts and oral traditions from Rawalpindi’s older families recall frequent arguments and, at times, outright confrontations over these routes.

In response to this atmosphere, Muslims in Rawalpindi began organizing their own public celebrations of Eid Milad-un-Nabi . The construction of the Jamia Masjid Rawalpindi in 1903 became a turning point. Located at the heart of the city, the mosque provided a central gathering point for the Muslim community. From there, small groups would set out, reciting naats, distributing sweets, and marching together to honor the birth of the Prophet.

These early processions were modest but carried a powerful sense of identity and unity. With time, they grew bigger, covering larger routes and involving more neighborhoods. Still, in the pre-partition years, clashes weren’t uncommon when different processions overlapped or crossed paths.

After the partition of 1947, the city’s demographics transformed. Most Hindus and Sikhs migrated to India, and Rawalpindi became a Muslim-majority city. Without the same inter-religious frictions, the Milad processions flourished. Over the decades, they grew into one of the grandest celebrations in Pakistan.

Today, the entire old city lights up during Eid Milad-un-Nabi Streets are covered in green flags and fairy lights, mosques and homes glow, and the processions pass through the same historic bazaars. The areas of Raja Bazar, Rata Amral, saddar, Jamia Masjid road are quite congested. The houses and buildings here are joint together side by side, and its basically you entering from one gali to another gali. So basically in these areas, the whole gali is decorated with lights, instead of one house choosing to do it while another choosing not to. The scenes are beautiful, especially if one goes towards the side of Rata Amral. Naat competitions are also held all night long, and its one of the best festive environments we have here.

It becomes more enjoyable in winters, when you have late night gatherings in the cold while having tea.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Eid Milad came into existence after almost 600 years of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (SAW) death.

Did SAHABA celebrate it like Muslims do now with all that noise and mutual gathering on the roads??

 

[aarizzler720]

i'm not a religeous expert by no means, but the Prophet(P.B.U.H) passed away on the same day as well, so why celebrate it like some Christmas

 

[Major]

Eid Milad came into existence after almost 600 years of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (SAW) death.

Did SAHABA celebrate it like Muslims do now with all that noise and mutual gathering on the roads??

Its just a festival that doesnt harm anyone.

There are alot of festivals that are made worldwide to enjoy the lively environment festivals bring.

Its just one day that people like enjoy by decorating their streets with lights etc.

We celebrate things like independance day, national day, new year and what not. And those celebrations are done by fireworks, aerial shooting and what not.

It does no harm, and islam is not threaten by this either...

Plus, in Pakistan, this festival is mostly celebrated by the poor neighborhoods. So if it brings happiness and create a lively mahool, which is rare in Pakistan, whats the harm?

Even the most liberal schools used to have children singing naats to celebrate this day.

 

[BouncerGuy]

It does no harm, and islam is not threaten by this either...

Why is it not harming... You think that men and women on streets (Same streets) is not harming??? This is not allowed in Islam

ANy biddat is biddat.

How can we celebrate if we really have to?? By FASTING like PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW) did.

 

[Major]

Why is it not harming... You think that men and women on streets (Same streets) is not harming??? This is not allowed in Islam

ANy biddat is biddat.

How can we celebrate if we really have to?? By FASTING like PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW) did.

How is that harming?

Dont men and women walk around kabah, the same kabah, the same path during hajj and umrah? Dont they perform all the rituals of umrah and hajj on the same route?

If someone wants to fast who is stopping them?. But again people want to make it a festive mahool which again is not wrong.

In ramazan, in pakistan alot of us enjoy host iftari on the street where every person and passerby is welcome as again its because of the festivity of that environment.

One of the best things i love about karachi during ramazan is the road side iftaris that people are hosting for everyone irrespect of class.

Its a festival environment that brings smiles to a neighborhood. The community is already not allowed to celebrate valentines day, hallowean, or even basant (one of the greatest festivals of punjab).

Celebrating festivals with your neighborhood brings out communityship, atleast in Pakistan.

12th rabiul awal was one of the best and happiest moments in the mohallah neighborhoods of Pakistan

 

[BouncerGuy]

Dont men and women walk around kabah, the same kabah, the same path during hajj and umrah? Dont they perform all the rituals of umrah and hajj on the same route?

Bro..HAJ and MAKKAH have different protocols ordered by ALLAH and his last Prophet (SAW)... How is celebrating on the street is the same as that... No bro...

 

[Major]

Bro..HAJ and MAKKAH have different protocols ordered by ALLAH and his last Prophet (SAW)... How is celebrating on the street is the same as that... No bro...

Na sir jee, its not different protocols.

We just like to create this gender difference.

But anyways, this celebration isnt about the gender aspect, but more on other things.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Na sir jee, its not different protocols.

We just like to create this gender difference.

But anyways, this celebration isnt about the gender aspect, but more on other things.

Endorsing Biddat is not the protocol you would want to follow as a Muslim...

Not Sahabi (RA) did such a celebration... This lighting and gathering started after almost 6 centuries... Simple fact that we are not able to understand and accept..

 

[topspin]

here you go, here comes a guy who is making up his own versions of sin now.

You need to understand, you can't just come up with your own interpretations when we are just layman. This is why I rely on guidance from scholars and at the same time establish if there is a logical basis for their views.

You can do what you want in your own time, but please can I kindly request for you to not go around justifying something when you have no grasp of what you're talking about.

 

[topspin]

Endorsing Biddat is not the protocol you would want to follow as a Muslim...

Not Sahabi (RA) did such a celebration... This lighting and gathering started after almost 6 centuries... Simple fact that we are not able to understand and accept..

This is the best response to anyone who advocates for this celebration and certainly a fitting way to end this thread.

 

[topspin]

Again, mind your own business...

By your own admission, you are "Liberal" and "non-religious". That's your choice but why are trying to give advice on Deen? So perhaps you should mind your own business?

If you dont wana celebrate it than dont, many of us will celebrate it and the likes of you can do nothing about it

There is a reason why a good number of posters are fed up with your inputs because you speak out of ignorance on various subjects when you come across as lost and deluded.

Just today alone, 4 posters (including myself) have tried to correct you on 3 different matters because of your ignorance:

1. BouncerGuy and myself on this thread

2. Stadium construction



3. Imran Nazir being overrated



Has the penny not dropped yet?

 

[Major]

By your own admission, you are "Liberal" and "non-religious". That's your choice but why are trying to give advice on Deen? So perhaps you should mind your own business?



There is a reason why a good number of posters are fed up with your inputs because you speak out of ignorance on various subjects when you come across as lost and deluded.

Just today alone, 4 posters (including myself) have tried to correct you on 3 different matters because of your ignorance:

1. BouncerGuy and myself on this thread

2. Stadium construction

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3. Imran Nazir being overrated

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Has the penny not dropped yet?

This is a discussion forum, so there are disagreements with posters.

You on the other hand makenit an ego issue.

I think u r still ticked off after lord james called you out for your dramaybazi that you do here...

You need to stop being obsessed with me.

Like i said, mind your own business. I and many people will celebrate 12 rabiul awal.
While u sit here and whine about what others are gonna do.

 

[topspin]

This is a discussion forum, so there are disagreements with posters.

You on the other hand makenit an ego issue.

I think u r still ticked off after lord james called you out for your dramaybazi that you do here...

You need to stop being obsessed with me.

Like i said, mind your own business. I and many people will celebrate 12 rabiul awal.
While u sit here and whine about what others are gonna do.

You told me to mind my own business so I exposed your hypocrisy.

It's you who got an ego trip when you said "there's nothing you can do about it", so I then exposed your lack of credibility because I don't appreciate you misleading others especially when it comes to Deen.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Some of the antics in the UK make us look silly. Molvis with mehndi stained beards sitting in horse and carriage with haar on them and people chanting holding up traffic.

How will that send a positive message of Islam?

I like what many Shias do on day of martyrdom of Imam Hussain they give out food and donate blood to be of use to society.

The milad babas should do something similar so people learn about our Prophet rather than make nuisance.

 

[Major]

Some of the antics in the UK make us look silly. Molvis with mehndi stained beards sitting in horse and carriage with haar on them and people chanting holding up traffic.

How will that send a positive message of Islam?

I like what many Shias do on day of martyrdom of Imam Hussain they give out food and donate blood to be of use to society.

The milad babas should do something similar so people learn about our Prophet rather than make nuisance.

Dont really known what happens in UK or US or Canada. Damn that must look terrible if they hold up traffic there.

The orange beard is more of a bengali thing

 

[Major]

You told me to mind my own business so I exposed your hypocrisy.

It's you who got an ego trip when you said "there's nothing you can do about it", so I then exposed your lack of credibility because I don't appreciate you misleading others especially when it comes to Deen.

Exposed? Yup, u are still triggered by @LordJames comments.

I would advice you to stop clinging on to my leg all the time and than getting offended.

Looks like we have a wahabi over here i guess, he thinks celebrating a festivity is now misleading a deen.

Like i have said, we will celebrate it, and you do nothing about it. Keep hurting your own ego.

 

[topspin]

Exposed? Yup, u are still triggered by @LordJames comments.

I would advice you to stop clinging on to my leg all the time and than getting offended.

Looks like we have a wahabi over here i guess, he thinks celebrating a festivity is now misleading a deen.

Like i have said, we will celebrate it, and you do nothing about it. Keep hurting your own ego.

You're obviously flustered, which is why you're now slandering me and making slurs like "Wahabi". This is exactly why I didn't want to engage on this thread because I knew someone who is toxic like yourself would come on here and start creating fitna.

Do you even know what a "Wahabi" is? If you had any idea what school of thought I follow, you would understand that there is no way that I could be considered to be a follower of Wahabism.

I'm not offended, it's just odd for someone who is proudly "Liberal and non-religious" to come here and give advice on Deen. That is hypocrisy. Tell me if I'm wrong?

 

[Major]

You're obviously flustered, which is why you're now slandering me and making slurs like "Wahabi". This is exactly why I didn't want to engage on this thread because I knew someone who is toxic like yourself would come on here and start creating fitna.

Do you even know what a "Wahabi" is? If you had any idea what school of thought I follow, you would understand that there is no way that I could be considered to be a follower of Wahabism.

I'm not offended, it's just odd for someone who is proudly "Liberal and non-religious" to come here and give advice on Deen. That is hypocrisy. Tell me if I'm wrong?

Who is giving advice?

Like i said i will celebrate it, and you can stay frusturated about how other people celebrate life.

 

[topspin]

Who is giving advice?

Like i said i will celebrate it, and you can stay frusturated about how other people celebrate life.

Its ironic how we hear islam is a religion of peace yet every year it becomes an issue for people whether to celebrate the prophets birthday or not.

There is nothing wrong in lighting up your whole street with lights to celebrate this occasion and have a festivitie feeling to it.

What you don't realise is you're giving advice from a liberal/non-religious angle not from an Islamic perspective.

I will let you have the last word because I have nothing more to add here.

 

[Justcrazy]

Its just a festival that doesnt harm anyone.

There are alot of festivals that are made worldwide to enjoy the lively environment festivals bring.

Its just one day that people like enjoy by decorating their streets with lights etc.

We celebrate things like independance day, national day, new year and what not. And those celebrations are done by fireworks, aerial shooting and what not.

It does no harm, and islam is not threaten by this either...

Plus, in Pakistan, this festival is mostly celebrated by the poor neighborhoods. So if it brings happiness and create a lively mahool, which is rare in Pakistan, whats the harm?

Even the most liberal schools used to have children singing naats to celebrate this day.

Those days which you mentioned above are not related to Deen , they are cultural things . No one celebrates them with intention of rewards in the hereafter.

 

[Justcrazy]

Who is giving advice?

Like i said i will celebrate it, and you can stay frusturated about how other people celebrate life.

Brother , you are free to do whatever you want in a secular society , but your celebration or my celebration is not the criteria to make something right or wrong.

For example there are many Muslims who consume alcohol , can we stop them ? NO , but that action does not make it allowed in Islam.

We are here on this public forum to discuss things , with evidence according to the context.
What you do in your personal life that is fine , that is between you are Allah , no one cares. When you come here and speak with the reference of Islam , then others have right to refute you with evidence.

I hope you understand this.

 

[Major]

Those days which you mentioned above are not related to Deen , they are cultural things . No one celebrates them with intention of rewards in the hereafter.

No one celebrates 12 rabiul awal for reward. Its the festive occasion that is enjoyed

 

[Justcrazy]

No one celebrates 12 rabiul awal for reward. Its the festive occasion that is enjoyed

I think you do not have an understanding of how things work . Have you asked yourself those who celebrate it? Can you show me a single barelwi scholar who has said what you are saying ? You will never find a single person who celebrates it saying this is a useless thing to do. Everyone will say you will be rewarded for celebrating this.