Should Pakistan expel the French Ambassador?

[Stewie]

So why was a man In the UK charged for taking the mick out of captain tom on twitter.

Yet the teacher in batley could get away stirring up.hatred by mocking the prophet pbuh and causing racial disharmony and division, and the government came out to support him

Maybe you should ask the man if he truly respects Captain Tom. Just because he is being punished, it doesnt mean he truly will end up respecting Captain Tom.
Also, he is in trouble because his government can enforce certain laws. We as Pakistanis, dont have that luxury.

 

[guna]

You can keep dreaming.

In the last 20 years almost everything has been tried inc sancations. Or are you in the delusion the cowardly French government will go to war with a nuclear nation.

Please stay away from Bollywood.

Pakistanis are suffering because the government keeps bowing down to hardline clerics. France does not have to go to war with Pakistan. They are not stupid. Pakistanis are doing a great job to make Pakistan implode.

An unstable Pakistan is not good for any South Asian country.

 

[Tubs]

Everyone, please ask [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] why he's dodging my question about the Chinese ambassador in Pakistan talking about Uighur women taking off their hijab and posting videos of them posting in 'revealing' (by Islamic standards) clothing.

 

[Stewie]

You lack basic undestanding.

When you demonise a people, it's easier to attack them. This is what has taken place since 911 and what continues as the war of terror is still on-going.

This has also led to Muslims being attacked and murdered on the streets of the UK, USA and other places by brainwashed extremists.

I hope nobody harms you or your family members and you have a right to ignore this. There is nothing further to discuss with you due to your poor response.

oh, I lack basic understanding?
Do you understand the difference between the Demonization of an idea vs demonization of an entire People?

Let me demonstrate. I am in the USA supposedly a huge supporter of Jews, right?

I can go outside of my house right now, or the top of the tallest building in town, and yell myself hoarse insulting Abraham, Moses, Torah, etc. Nobody can touch me

Moment I utter a syllable against Jews as a group of people, or any group of people for that matter, i can get hauled in, arrested and charged for hate speech.

If this still didnt help you grasp the concept let me summarize it for you:
You can insult an ideology or religion or diety. But you cannot speak against a whole group of people because while the former case is covered under freedom of speech, the latter one is actually considered hate speech.

You gotta know the system where you live and not bury your head in the sand and think the whole world is out to get you. Because maybe, THE WHOLE WORLD IS NOT OUT TO GET YOU, its just your own case of self pity and importance, that makes you dream up such nonsense. Nobody cares!

The French dont care about Jesus, why would they care about Mohammad SA? They make fun of Jesus all the time.

I am sorry to tell you this but your whole logic is entirely flawed. IN FACT, its the other way around, more you fight against it in such manner, more dangerous it will get for your people everywhere because then the whole world thinks we are all extremists ready to fight whoever disagrees with us.

If you live in the west, you should have this much common sense. You are regurgitating madrassa ideology while living in the west and its pretty alarming, to be frank.

 

[KingKhanWC]

oh, I lack basic understanding?
Do you understand the difference between the Demonization of an idea vs demonization of an entire People?

Let me demonstrate. I am in the USA supposedly a huge supporter of Jews, right?

I can go outside of my house right now, or the top of the tallest building in town, and yell myself hoarse insulting Abraham, Moses, Torah, etc. Nobody can touch me

Moment I utter a syllable against Jews as a group of people, or any group of people for that matter, i can get hauled in, arrested and charged for hate speech.

If this still didnt help you grasp the concept let me summarize it for you:
You can insult an ideology or religion or diety. But you cannot speak against a whole group of people because while the former case is covered under freedom of speech, the latter one is actually considered hate speech.

You gotta know the system where you live and not bury your head in the sand and think the whole world is out to get you. Because maybe, THE WHOLE WORLD IS NOT OUT TO GET YOU, its just your own case of self pity and importance, that makes you dream up such nonsense. Nobody cares!

The French dont care about Jesus, why would they care about Mohammad SA? They make fun of Jesus all the time.

I am sorry to tell you this but your whole logic is entirely flawed. IN FACT, its the other way around, more you fight against it in such manner, more dangerous it will get for your people everywhere because then the whole world thinks we are all extremists ready to fight whoever disagrees with us.

If you live in the west, you should have this much common sense. You are regurgitating madrassa ideology while living in the west and its pretty alarming, to be frank.

I wouldnt worry about it, you dont understand the war OF terror and its strategy.

Hope no Islamaphobe who is brainwashed or incited to hatred against Muslims attacks anyone in your family, because you'd soon change your tune.

This post is worse than the first reply lol, interesting imagination leading to deluded conclusions on things I never suggested.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistanis are suffering because the government keeps bowing down to hardline clerics. France does not have to go to war with Pakistan. They are not stupid. Pakistanis are doing a great job to make Pakistan implode.

An unstable Pakistan is not good for any South Asian country.

You stated Pakistan would be sent back to the stone age.

Please explain how this could happen? Im in a laughing mood.

Everyone, please ask [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] why he's dodging my question about the Chinese ambassador in Pakistan talking about Uighur women taking off their hijab and posting videos of them posting in 'revealing' (by Islamic standards) clothing.

Again, its a waste of my time to discuss anything with those from a biased anti-Islamic pov. Write you points and move on, dont keep asking me to reply. Thanks

 

[Stewie]

I wouldnt worry about it, you dont understand the war OF terror and its strategy.

Hope no Islamaphobe who is brainwashed or incited to hatred against Muslims attacks anyone in your family, because you'd soon change your tune.

This post is worse than the first reply lol, interesting imagination leading to deluded conclusions on things I never suggested.

Your responses are perfect for comic relief. I have yet to see a single point of substance In response to some plain fisher price easy idiot proof explanations for someone like you to understand.

But apparently an online forum cannot help wash away the madrassa teachings just like that. If you dont believe me go ask a westerner what would make him turn into an Islamophobe.
1. If a Muslim fought him for saying something against Islam or
2. If a Muslim let him exercise his right to freedom of speech and did not try to shove the Islamic ideology down his throat.

I am sure you have non Muslim friends where you live. I challenge you to go ask them that question and then we can have this conversation again.

 

[guna]

You stated Pakistan would be sent back to the stone age.

Please explain how this could happen? Im in a laughing mood.




Again, its a waste of my time to discuss anything with those from a biased anti-Islamic pov. Write you points and move on, dont keep asking me to reply. Thanks

Your chief export is Textiles and if you cannot export that to the West, Pakistan will implode with thousands of jobless people and millions lost. Pakistan is already going through economic crisis. This will put a huge dagger through its chest. Your PM Imran Khan has said it himself on National TV. It is all over News Channels.

Pakistan is not a self reliant country. It relies on imports from other countries even for basic medicines. If you keep declaring economic war on rest of the world for the sake of Islam, Pakistan will not survive and the ensuing chaos will take it back to the Stone Age just like Afghanistan.

Your only friends will be Turkey who themselves are a bunch if nobodies and China who is just waiting for an opportunity like a Jackal to take over your country.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Your chief export is Textiles and if you cannot export that to the West, Pakistan will implode with thousands of jobless people and millions lost. Pakistan is already going through economic crisis. This will put a huge dagger through its chest. Your PM Imran Khan has said it himself on National TV. It is all over News Channels.

Pakistan is not a self reliant country. It relies on imports from other countries even for basic medicines. If you keep declaring economic war on rest of the world for the sake of Islam, Pakistan will not survive and the ensuing chaos will take it back to the Stone Age just like Afghanistan.

Your only friends will be Turkey who themselves are a bunch if nobodies and China who is just waiting for an opportunity like a Jackal to take over your country.

IS this the best you can come up with?

Even in Europe nations will not hurt themselves to hug France. Muslims decided to boycott French products, the French came back crying asking them not to.

Economic war wont send anyone back to the stone age, I suggest you look up the stone age, read some history, it will help you not to make daft remarks such as this.

China has invested billions, it helped Pak get the nuke, its a truly ally.

Indians like yourself are dreaming rainy dreams hoping this may happen.

India is declining , spend more time on your beloved land pls.

 

[Tubs]

You stated Pakistan would be sent back to the stone age.

Please explain how this could happen? Im in a laughing mood.




Again, its a waste of my time to discuss anything with those from a biased anti-Islamic pov. Write you points and move on, dont keep asking me to reply. Thanks

What about what I said was anti-Islam? You just can't refute my points so you just assert that. I'm fairly anti-religion, but would never advocate for religious freedoms to be reduced, I just dislike religious ideology. However, you want to impose Islamic blasphemy laws onto non-Muslim countries.

Again, why are you silent about the Chinese ambassador in Pakistan obsessing over unveiled Uighur women, and saying they should take off hijab and showing them with their awrah exposed?

 

[Local.Dada]

IS this the best you can come up with?

Even in Europe nations will not hurt themselves to hug France. Muslims decided to boycott French products, the French came back crying asking them not to.

Economic war wont send anyone back to the stone age, I suggest you look up the stone age, read some history, it will help you not to make daft remarks such as this.

China has invested billions, it helped Pak get the nuke, its a truly ally.

Indians like yourself are dreaming rainy dreams hoping this may happen.

India is declining , spend more time on your beloved land pls.

You consider yourself a true Muslim right? Why aren’t you protesting against your government for having a great relationship with France? Why should Pakistan public face the repercussions of such decisions?

It’s easy to sit behind a keyboard from a privileged vantage point and act like the most pious thing on the planet and speaking for what others should do to stand up for their religion. Why don’t you start, go to the French Embassy and lodge a protest, let’s see what response you get.

 

[gkb101277867]

Asked this before but didn't get a response. Does anyone know when the vote will actually take place?

 

[Rafa]

Asked this before but didn't get a response. Does anyone know when the vote will actually take place?

The resolution was presented in parliament and further debate will take place during an assembly session on Friday.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/20/pakistan-parliament-to-debate-french-envoy-expulsion

https://www.geo.tv/amp/346329-na-to-resume-debate-on-expulsion-of-french-envoy-on-friday

 

[saeedhk]

Apparently, the government has taken the TLP for a ride. The resolution that was presented in the parliament merely calls for a debate on the issue; it does not call for the ambassador’s expulsion.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Apparently, the government has taken the TLP for a ride. The resolution that was presented in the parliament merely calls for a debate on the issue; it does not call for the ambassador’s expulsion.

No, that was the deal.

 

[saeedhk]

No, that was the deal.

TLP said there should be a vote IIRC.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2296325/na-session-deferred-indefinitely-sans-debate-on-french-envoys-expulsion

The National Assembly (NA) session held on Friday was indefinitely deferred without deliberation on the matter of French ambassador's expulsion amid opposition lawmakers' protest.

The session began with NA Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri in the chair. However, the session was marred by chaos and could not proceed with the agenda of the day.

Soon after the session started, lawmakers belonging to opposition parties - Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and Jamiat Ulema Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) - stood up from their seats, asking the deputy speaker to allow them to speak on the point of contention. On being refused the chance to speak, the opposition lawmakers surrounded the deputy speaker's dais.

Suri told the protesting lawmakers that they will be given a chance to speak in the question and answer session. However, the PML-N and PPP announced to boycott the question and answer session, and resorted to sloganeering against the government.

Speaker Suri subsequently adjourned the session for an indefinite period.

On Tuesday, the Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) called off its violent protests after the government agreed to table a resolution in parliament to debate the French ambassador's expulsion.

During a meeting of the the PTI parliamentary party, chaired by Prime Minister Imran Khan, Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid and Religious Affairs Minister Noorul Haq Qadri briefed the participants about the understanding reached with the TLP. They said the TLP agreed to end its protest across the country after the government accepted its demand to table a resolution in the National Assembly on whether or not the French ambassador should be expelled from the country.

The government also gave the nod to release its chief, Saad Rizvi, whose arrest triggered the unrest, and other party activists and supporters detained under the Maintenance of Public Order and on terrorism charges.

 

[PetroDollars]

Try reading carefully, I never called you a Hindu lol.

You wrote

" it one of pakistans biggest importers, your industries will crumble which are alreadly on there last legs.

Should read OURS then if you're also Pakistani. Are you a Muslim too?

You've wrote nothing but a childish rant lol.

You miss the point, the war on terror has not only killed hundreds of children, thousands of people but also destroyed the ecomony, perhaps you've been not paying attention?

Kicking out the French ambassador will have minimul effect to an already weak economy.

Ex Muslims, Athiests and other secularists arent worth debating as they are coming from a biased position and also dont have the intelligence to understand the bond with the Prophet(pbuh) and Muslims.

Muslims have endoured two decades of hate, bombings, invasions, economic sanctions which are forms of extremist behaviour & state terrorism. Muslims will show their anger and disgust when on top of this they also attack our Prophet(pbuh) who in Muslim opinion and many non-Muslim opinion was the greatest man to set foot on this planet.


Leave our faith alone, go hate on your own people or look in the mirror. Muslims will never back down on standing up for the Prophet(pbuh).

Such people who spend day & night spreading hate against Islam are feel free to continue, Islam is here for good. I wont be debating with such people on here from now.

Theres absolutly nothing you can say, so now your just waffling on and on without making any sense.

Firstly you did say i was a hindu in a different post, but the point is, if someone doesnt agree with your extremist views you just call a non-muslim.

As for the topic, let me repeat. Expelling the ambassdor has nothing to do with the western war on terror.
...and the economy was not destoryed because of it, when the WoT was in full flow under mush, the economy was flying.

But that has nothing to do with whats happening here, im not sure why its so hard for you to understand, your extreme mates in TLP want to expell the french ambassador because of cartoons and disrest to the prohet, theres nothing more to it.
When WoT was killing people here, they did not stand up or block any streets so dont give me any of that tosh.

secondly, the effect it will have on the economy has your PM shaken, you can say what you want, but clearly you didnt take economic classes in the madrassa you grew up in. Your PM is litterly frighted for the effects it will have on the economy.

Lastly, i can agree with you to have the frech ambassdor expelled for the reasons they want 'to tell french to stop disrespecting the prohpet' but then the same must be agreed on Pakistan, do you agree every country should expell there pak ambassdors till pak sorts out its terrible human rights record, forced conversions to islam, torture of minorities etc.

 

[PetroDollars]

Apparently, the government has taken the TLP for a ride. The resolution that was presented in the parliament merely calls for a debate on the issue; it does not call for the ambassador’s expulsion.

Ride, what ride, TLP have the street power, they will just come back.

 

[guna]

Apparently, the government has taken the TLP for a ride. The resolution that was presented in the parliament merely calls for a debate on the issue; it does not call for the ambassador’s expulsion.

Imran Khan is simply buying more time and hoping that TLP will loosen up on their demand.

 

[saeedhk]

Today’s NA session on French ambassador expulsion bill has been postponed indefinitely after heated exchanged between govt and opposition.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You consider yourself a true Muslim right? Why aren’t you protesting against your government for having a great relationship with France? Why should Pakistan public face the repercussions of such decisions?

It’s easy to sit behind a keyboard from a privileged vantage point and act like the most pious thing on the planet and speaking for what others should do to stand up for their religion. Why don’t you start, go to the French Embassy and lodge a protest, let’s see what response you get.

Thankfully I know more about Islam than you.

There is no such thing as a True Muslim, this term doesnt exist in Islam.

British Muslims have made their views heard, I can assure you. In Islam we must follow the laws of the land as long as the land allows us freedom of worshipp.

The topic is about Pakistan, their democracy, will of the people will decide. Only a fool would deny them this right.

Btw I am privaliged but it's down to myself.

Again, we know RSS supporters are also Islamaphobic & enjoy abuse of our religion.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Theres absolutly nothing you can say, so now your just waffling on and on without making any sense.

Firstly you did say i was a hindu in a different post, but the point is, if someone doesnt agree with your extremist views you just call a non-muslim.

As for the topic, let me repeat. Expelling the ambassdor has nothing to do with the western war on terror.
...and the economy was not destoryed because of it, when the WoT was in full flow under mush, the economy was flying.

But that has nothing to do with whats happening here, im not sure why its so hard for you to understand, your extreme mates in TLP want to expell the french ambassador because of cartoons and disrest to the prohet, theres nothing more to it.
When WoT was killing people here, they did not stand up or block any streets so dont give me any of that tosh.

secondly, the effect it will have on the economy has your PM shaken, you can say what you want, but clearly you didnt take economic classes in the madrassa you grew up in. Your PM is litterly frighted for the effects it will have on the economy.

Lastly, i can agree with you to have the frech ambassdor expelled for the reasons they want 'to tell french to stop disrespecting the prohpet' but then the same must be agreed on Pakistan, do you agree every country should expell there pak ambassdors till pak sorts out its terrible human rights record, forced conversions to islam, torture of minorities etc.

You are only ranting again. List your points clearly.

Wake up Pakistan has been attacked strongly in all areas inc economy due to the War OF terror, a terrorist military and economic war. I suggest you educate yourself on this so you dont make daft points again.

 

[gkb101277867]

Lol seems like the government just wants to keep kicking the can down the road on this issue. I doubt they will have a vote on it anytime soon based on what happened today.

 

[world cup captain]

Everyone, please ask [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] why he's dodging my question about the Chinese ambassador in Pakistan talking about Uighur women taking off their hijab and posting videos of them posting in 'revealing' (by Islamic standards) clothing.

You're trying to talk to a brick wall. He knows Pakistan has been bought out by China to keep their mouth shut and if France shows interest in buying out Pakistan, then Charlie Hebdo would start selling on Pakistani street corners.

Why do you think the Pakistan gov't is allowing a brewery for the Chinese? The Chinese bought the gov't and people simply refuse to believe it.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

You're trying to talk to a brick wall. He knows Pakistan has been bought out by China to keep their mouth shut and if France shows interest in buying out Pakistan, then Charlie Hebdo would start selling on Pakistani street corners.

Why do you think the Pakistan gov't is allowing a brewery for the Chinese? The Chinese bought the gov't and people simply refuse to believe it.

Alcohol in Pakistan is legal for non Muslims. Their is already the Murree Brewery, so dont see what the problem is if Pakistan has another brewery.

 

[Tubs]

You're trying to talk to a brick wall. He knows Pakistan has been bought out by China to keep their mouth shut and if France shows interest in buying out Pakistan, then Charlie Hebdo would start selling on Pakistani street corners.

Why do you think the Pakistan gov't is allowing a brewery for the Chinese? The Chinese bought the gov't and people simply refuse to believe it.

Yeah, he sure is dumb.

I don't really think the brewery is evidence of Chinese ownership, however, as someone else said, Pakistan has their own brewery.

 

[Giannis]

You're trying to talk to a brick wall. He knows Pakistan has been bought out by China to keep their mouth shut and if France shows interest in buying out Pakistan, then Charlie Hebdo would start selling on Pakistani street corners.

Why do you think the Pakistan gov't is allowing a brewery for the Chinese? The Chinese bought the gov't and people simply refuse to believe it.

Pakistan has always had their own breweries..