Should Pakistan play all of its 2023 World Cup matches outside of India?

[cricketjoshila]

PSL is a domestic tournament.

Surely the value of ICC tournaments is higher and therefore gets much more attention from ALL fans, including India (who probably want to see Pakistan lose but still tune in)

Domestic rights of countries get higher bids than ICC rights of the same territory.

Indian fans will tune in if India is playing else the interest will not be that high.

Anyways all arguments will be put to rest when ICC reveals its tv rights deal for the next cycle. Right now only the Indian territory deal is revealed and its worth $3bn.

 

[adi_62941]

Idiotic idea.

BCCI started it and now PCB, out of ego, is trying to do the same.

If current scenario plays out it will be a win-win for India. They don't have to come to Pakistan for a largely meaningless tournament that's basically just practice for the World Cup. And they don't have to go through the trouble of providing visas for Pakistani players or providing them with high-level security at the World Cup either.

At the end of the day, the game of cricket will stand more politicized and another ugly precedent will be set.

PCB should have just swallowed their pride and had the Asia Cup in UAE or Sri Lanka. Its not an important tournament in any sense of the word. The idea of Pakistan playing their World Cup games in another country is just ludicrous. What happens if they *somehow* reach the final? Most players will be playing their first match ever in India. And what happens if Pakistan reaches the semi-final? Are they just going to move it from a sold-out Wankede or a sold-out Eden Gardens to Colombo?

The 2025 Champions Trophy would have been the right place for Pakistan to pull this stunt. Because that's all this is. From PCB and BCCI. The problem is that its Pakistan that stands to lose most from this. But the people in-charge are far too driven by ego and politics to think logically.

Agreed to the core.

Asia cup is just meaningless tournament. India have also staged Asia cup on neutral venue before.
Pakistan should stage asia cup in UAE and take all profit from it as a hosting country.

Pakistan go to india for WC and then be ready for the all diplomacy and big decisions for CT 2025.

Pakistan going to India in WC will surely melt some ice in india and they will surely not gonna miss the ICC event in any case.

Pakistan has to put their ego aside and must accept the bitter reality. We are no more a 90s nation now, altough we are still living in 90s pride but world including india have moved on from 90s. Pakistan is just a minnow country now just like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh in cricketing world

 

[nextover666666]

Star sports is owned by Disney.

ICC gets the revenue.

Btw if Pakistan has so much revenue generation capacity, why the bids for PSL so low?

Where in my post did i mention PSL, read first before posting the comment I made was about India vs Pakistan match, their is no mention of PSL I am talking about India vs Pakistan match clearly, your just throwing weird statements for your argument

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where in my post did i mention PSL, read first before posting the comment I made was about India vs Pakistan match, their is no mention of PSL I am talking about India vs Pakistan match clearly, your just throwing weird statements for your argument

India Pakistan match will come mainly from India and Pakistan? No?

Out of that Pakistan doesn't have much revenue generation capacity as seen by the tv rights deals of PSL and PCB .

Also 70-80 percent of ICC tv revenues come from India.

So any which way you look at it, revenue comes from India.

Its about time you look around and learn where the money is coming from. Its not a secret. Media houses have covered the.issue extensively.

 

[nextover666666]

India Pakistan match will come mainly from India and Pakistan? No?

Out of that Pakistan doesn't have much revenue generation capacity as seen by the tv rights deals of PSL and PCB .

Also 70-80 percent of ICC tv revenues come from India.

So any which way you look at it, revenue comes from India.

Its about time you look around and learn where the money is coming from. Its not a secret. Media houses have covered the.issue extensively.

Maybe time you actually give credit to Pakistan because without Pakistan how can you have India versus Pakistan match that is your money maker don't fool yourself

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

Maybe time you actually give credit to Pakistan because without Pakistan how can you have India versus Pakistan match that is your money maker don't fool yourself

Its money maker for ICC and its more essential for PAK as its more dependent on ICC's handouts...Even if INDIA and Pak dont play in ICC tournaments then also its gonna effect PAK only as that would reduce the handouts given by ICC. BCCI is in such a position that it will flourish without ICC handouts but not PCB. Remember what RAMEEZ RAJA had said regarding survival of PCB.

BCCI has moved far ahead with its IPL and domestic rights. It doesnt need an INDIA vs PAK match in ICC tournaments for monetary purpose. Its the ICC and smaller boards like PCB that needs it...

 

[nextover666666]

Its money maker for ICC and its more essential for PAK as its more dependent on ICC's handouts...Even if INDIA and Pak dont play in ICC tournaments then also its gonna effect PAK only as that would reduce the handouts given by ICC. BCCI is in such a position that it will flourish without ICC handouts but not PCB. Remember what RAMEEZ RAJA had said regarding survival of PCB.

BCCI has moved far ahead with its IPL and domestic rights. It doesnt need an INDIA vs PAK match in ICC tournaments for monetary purpose. Its the ICC and smaller boards like PCB that needs it...

So than if that is case than India can forfeit its matches vs Pakistan in world cup, India does not play Pakistan in bileteral which is Politically Driven so why not have the same stance in world cup, in fact not playing Pakistan in world cup would send out a bigger message.

If India being the richest board can survive without playing Pakistan, than they shouldnt play Pakistan in world cup, a ceratin poster said India will do what benefits India, so why not have a stronger political stance agaisnt Pakistan, by not playing Pakistan in world cup it will benefit Indias political driven stance agaisnt Pakistan.

At the end of the day its a game of cricket as much as we love this game it is just a game so India should decide whats more important their political stance agaisnt Pakistan or the game of Cricket

If political Stance is most importang do not play Pakistan at all ( world cup, asia cup, bilaterals etc...) if the game of cricket is more important than play them in all events bilaterals included.

 

[MenInG]

Clarification from Najam Sethi on Twitter:

Don’t confuse ICC with ACC! Since BCCI has refused to play its ACC Asia Cup matches in Pakistan, PCB has proposed a hybrid model in which India’s matches are played at a neutral venue while rest are played in Pakistan. There has been no discussion about World Cup with ICC/BCCI

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

So than if that is case than India can forfeit its matches vs Pakistan in world cup, India does not play Pakistan in bileteral which is Politically Driven so why not have the same stance in world cup, in fact not playing Pakistan in world cup would send out a bigger message.

If India being the richest board can survive without playing Pakistan, than they shouldnt play Pakistan in world cup, a ceratin poster said India will do what benefits India, so why not have a stronger political stance agaisnt Pakistan, by not playing Pakistan in world cup it will benefit Indias political driven stance agaisnt Pakistan.

At the end of the day its a game of cricket as much as we love this game it is just a game so India should decide whats more important their political stance agaisnt Pakistan or the game of Cricket

If political Stance is most important do not play Pakistan at all ( world cup, asia cup, bilaterals etc...) if the game of cricket is more important than play them in all events bilaterals included.

Again as its been said by INDIA that it would do what benefits it and in which way...

 

[Usman Chadda]

Clarification from Najam Sethi on Twitter:

Don’t confuse ICC with ACC! Since BCCI has refused to play its ACC Asia Cup matches in Pakistan, PCB has proposed a hybrid model in which India’s matches are played at a neutral venue while rest are played in Pakistan. There has been no discussion about World Cup with ICC/BCCI

Anyone who has watched his interview can read between the lines when he specifically mentioned that the Pakistan government can block the PCB from sending their team to the World Cup.

Neither the ICC nor the BCCI will have the power to do anything about that, as the precedent has been set by themselves.

I for one do not support Pakistani cricketers traveling to a country where the words 'Muslim' or 'Pakistani' give way to such strong responses. It is actually not safe.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Anyone who has watched his interview can read between the lines when he specifically mentioned that the Pakistan government can block the PCB from sending their team to the World Cup.

Neither the ICC nor the BCCI will have the power to do anything about that, as the precedent has been set by themselves.

I for one do not support Pakistani cricketers traveling to a country where the words 'Muslim' or 'Pakistani' give way to such strong responses. It is actually not safe.

The government may/will block the Pakistan team.

Pakistan will lose its share of ICC revenue.

BCCI may/will try to rally votes in the ICC boardroom that Pakistan doesn't gets to host the CT 2025.

Pakistan will have to see if they will also not participate in the 2026 T20 WC, 2029 CT and 2031 WC.

So its wrong to presume ICC/BCCI cannot do anything. They can do what's legally tenable.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Maybe time you actually give credit to Pakistan because without Pakistan how can you have India versus Pakistan match that is your money maker don't fool yourself

Its not BCCI's money maker. They make plenty of money without Pakistan.

Don't fool yourself thinking that BCCI needs Pakistan to make money.

 

[nextover666666]

Again as its been said by INDIA that it would do what benefits it and in which way...

By playing Pakistan in World cup/ Asia cup it doesnt benefit their political stance rather it looks silly, that india pick and chose when they want to use their political stance.

 

[nextover666666]

Its not BCCI's money maker. They make plenty of money without Pakistan.

Don't fool yourself thinking that BCCI needs Pakistan to make money.

Than dont play Pakistan in world cup and asia cup if they do not need Pakistan its very simple

 

[nextover666666]

The government may/will block the Pakistan team.

Pakistan will lose its share of ICC revenue.

BCCI may/will try to rally votes in the ICC boardroom that Pakistan doesn't gets to host the CT 2025.

Pakistan will have to see if they will also not participate in the 2026 T20 WC, 2029 CT and 2031 WC.

So its wrong to presume ICC/BCCI cannot do anything. They can do what's legally tenable.

So in the event India does not travel to Pakistan for CT2025 assuming Pakistan is still host will ICC be able to due whats legally tenable or look the other way since BCCI have ICC in theit pockets.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

By playing Pakistan in World cup/ Asia cup it doesnt benefit their political stance rather it looks silly, that india pick and chose when they want to use their political stance.

They will pick and choose what benefits them...They will play with PAK in ICC tournaments or ASIA CUP as that money doesnt go only to Pak. And they wont play Pak in bilaterals as it benefits just Pak not other countries...They r playing smart by not making others suffer financially but making sure that PAK doesnt get the financial benefit of an INDIA PAK series. India is doing the same while buying Oil at cheap prices from Russia without maintaining its relation with west while Pak is yet to get Oil at the same rate from Russia and even if it gets then west wont be too happy with it...

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

Than dont play Pakistan in world cup and asia cup if they do not need Pakistan its very simple

Ask Rameez if India (BCCI) needs Pak (PCB) or PCB needs money generated by BCCI that it gets from ICC....

Even if PAKISTAN doesnt play in WC or ASIA CUP, it wont affect BCCI at all, it will only affect other boards who dont have the kind of financial clout that BCCI has through Indian market, IPL, Domestic rights, as they would lose the money that an INDIA PAK match generates...

 

[cricketjoshila]

Than dont play Pakistan in world cup and asia cup if they do not need Pakistan its very simple

And allow Pakistan to win by forfeit? Never.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So in the event India does not travel to Pakistan for CT2025 assuming Pakistan is still host will ICC be able to due whats legally tenable or look the other way since BCCI have ICC in theit pockets.

ICC may/will not give BCCI the proportionate share for skipping the CT 2025.

Other than that there is nothing else they can do.

 

[nextover666666]

And allow Pakistan to win by forfeit? Never.

What about your political stance about not playing Pakistan, surely Indian political stance should have some importance, what better way to gey your message across to not play Pakistan in World Cup.

 

[nextover666666]

They will pick and choose what benefits them...They will play with PAK in ICC tournaments or ASIA CUP as that money doesnt go only to Pak. And they wont play Pak in bilaterals as it benefits just Pak not other countries...They r playing smart by not making others suffer financially but making sure that PAK doesnt get the financial benefit of an INDIA PAK series. India is doing the same while buying Oil at cheap prices from Russia without maintaining its relation with west while Pak is yet to get Oil at the same rate from Russia and even if it gets then west wont be too happy with it...

What about the political stance thay goes back from 2008-2009 i believe that India does not want to play cricket with its enemy nation, shouldnt your political stance be the same world cup matches or no world cup matches. The political stance i am referring to is not money but rather Indias ideology of Pakistan, that it is the enemy nation thus we will not play cricket with them.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

What about the political stance thay goes back from 2008-2009 i believe that India does not want to play cricket with its enemy nation, shouldnt your political stance be the same world cup matches or no world cup matches. The political stance i am referring to is not money but rather Indias ideology of Pakistan, that it is the enemy nation thus we will not play cricket with them.

India's political stance is maintained...Playing in ICC tournament doesnt change it...Bilaterally India and Pak have boycotted each other..India in cricket and Pak in trade which isnt affecting India...Indian citizens r also okay with India playing Pak only in multilateral tournaments but not in bilateral series. And thats how political stance is maintained in sync with the thought of Indian citizen...And this stance is only affecting PAK and thats what the stance is for as even smaller boards r hosting India and making a lot of money...

 

[nextover666666]

India's political stance is maintained...Playing in ICC tournament doesnt change it...Bilaterally India and Pak have boycotted each other..India in cricket and Pak in trade which isnt affecting India...Indian citizens r also okay with India playing Pak only in multilateral tournaments but not in bilateral series. And thats how political stance is maintained in sync with the thought of Indian citizen...And this stance is only affecting PAK and thats what the stance is for as even smaller boards r hosting India and making a lot of money...

I apperciate the explanation you gave i really do however my two cents or opinion is that if your going to have a political stance their shouldnt be any picking or chosing it defeats the whole point atleast that is how I see it, but again do apperciate you giving in some in-sight on the matter

 

[cricketjoshila]

What about your political stance about not playing Pakistan, surely Indian political stance should have some importance, what better way to gey your message across to not play Pakistan in World Cup.

And help Pakistan by giving away points? And forfeit match. That will be foolish

 

[sam_ahm]

Guys I don't have anything against Pakistan but get this clear and don't be a fool. India hasn't played Pakistan in a bilateral since 2012 and hasn't played a test series since 2007, and hasn't had Pak players in IPL since 2009, amidst all this BCCI had leaped ahead of others by miles in terms of revenue and profits.

If you guys think BCCI became this rich because of some 5-6 ICC event matches between Ind and Pak over the last 15 years then you are not just living in denial, you are actually a big fool.

 

[nextover666666]

Guys I don't have anything against Pakistan but get this clear and don't be a fool. India hasn't played Pakistan in a bilateral since 2012 and hasn't played a test series since 2007, and hasn't had Pak players in IPL since 2009, amidst all this BCCI had leaped ahead of others by miles in terms of revenue and profits.

If you guys think BCCI became this rich because of some 5-6 ICC event matches between Ind and Pak over the last 15 years then you are not just living in denial, you are actually a big fool.

No one was arguing the amount of money BCCI generates on its own, from IPL domestic, and its national team, the issue or argument is about having your political stance ( to not play Pakistan) in all matches (World Cup and Asia Cup), and to not pick and chose since it does not make sense.

Everyone knows how much the India vs Pakistan match generate it and would be foolish to think that match does not generate anything, but no one claimed it is the reason behind BCCI wealth, everyone knows how BCCI becoming a wealthy bored. The issue is about having the same political stance all the time.

Indian Fans will have their own view on the matter, and that is fine, and Pakistani Fans will have their own view as well.

 

[Rajdeep]

And allow Pakistan to win by forfeit? Never.

Bro why can't BCCI simply ask ICC to put India and Pakistan in seperate groups in ICC events? That would solve the problem na? I am sure BCCI has enough clout to make it happen. If they keep them in seperate groups, there is no guaranteed Indo-Pak game and they will only play if need to be in knock out rounds.

Lets be honest, there is bit of a hypocrisy in BCCIs part here. Its all right to take a stance of not playing Pakistan in bilateral cricket but then I get sick of our media hyping that Ind-Pak ICC game like no tomorrow. Aaj Tak doing joint shows with Pak media, Star Sports hyping that game as greatesr rivalry etc.

Just don't play Pakistan at all unless its a knock out game of ICC event. Why its so tought for BCCI?

 

[Usman Chadda]

The government may/will block the Pakistan team.

Pakistan will lose its share of ICC revenue.

BCCI may/will try to rally votes in the ICC boardroom that Pakistan doesn't gets to host the CT 2025.

Pakistan will have to see if they will also not participate in the 2026 T20 WC, 2029 CT and 2031 WC.

So its wrong to presume ICC/BCCI cannot do anything. They can do what's legally tenable.

Be that as it may, our cricketers’ lives are not cannon fodder for the extremists in India. Simple as that.

It’s not a safe country for Pakistanis to visit.

 

[Hitman]

Be that as it may, our cricketers’ lives are not cannon fodder for the extremists in India. Simple as that.

It’s not a safe country for Pakistanis to visit.

No visiting team has ever been harassed, let alone attacked in India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Be that as it may, our cricketers’ lives are not cannon fodder for the extremists in India. Simple as that.

It’s not a safe country for Pakistanis to visit.

The country were cricketers were attacked with bullets and bombs was Pakistan and not India.

 

[adi_62941]

They will pick and choose what benefits them...They will play with PAK in ICC tournaments or ASIA CUP as that money doesnt go only to Pak. And they wont play Pak in bilaterals as it benefits just Pak not other countries...They r playing smart by not making others suffer financially but making sure that PAK doesnt get the financial benefit of an INDIA PAK series. India is doing the same while buying Oil at cheap prices from Russia without maintaining its relation with west while Pak is yet to get Oil at the same rate from Russia and even if it gets then west wont be too happy with it...

most sensible comment. India is playing pick and choose strategy. Modi and government proved to be an extremely foxy and brainy setup for india

 

[Usman Chadda]

No visiting team has ever been harassed, let alone attacked in India.

We are talking specifically about Pakistani Muslim cricketers. You don’t think there is a problem there?

 

[Rajdeep]

We are talking specifically about Pakistani Muslim cricketers. You don’t think there is a problem there?

There is no problem for any cricketer in India just bcoz they are muslim. India's two premium fast bowlers are muslim. I don't see a single hindu player in PCT though, so the problem is and has always been one sided. Though thats a different debate all together but pls don't bring this muslim card.

Pak team visited India in 2016 under same BJP rule and after URI attacks. At that time supposedly beef lynchings (all lies) were at its peak. Did anything happen to Pak players? If anything, they got massive support at Eden Gardens. In that game between Pak and BD, majority of crowd were rooting for Pak.

PCT will be safe in India as always. Lets be honest, even PCB knows it and thats why they are saying if India comes to Pak for Asia cup then they will go to India, otherwise it will be a security problem.

 

[Major]

The country were cricketers were attacked with bullets and bombs was Pakistan and not India.

The pitches that were dugged up were not Pakistans but Indias

 

[cricketjoshila]

We are talking specifically about Pakistani Muslim cricketers. You don’t think there is a problem there?

So Pakistani muslims are unsafe in India?

I hope Pakistan keeps this stance going forward. And no pakistani athlete applies for a visa to India.

Because pakistani athletes have visited for other team sports.Like Hockey.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The pitches that were dugged up were not Pakistans but Indias

How did that put any player in danger?

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is no problem for any cricketer in India just bcoz they are muslim. India's two premium fast bowlers are muslim. I don't see a single hindu player in PCT though, so the problem is and has always been one sided. Though thats a different debate all together but pls don't bring this muslim card.

Pak team visited India in 2016 under same BJP rule and after URI attacks. At that time supposedly beef lynchings (all lies) were at its peak. Did anything happen to Pak players? If anything, they got massive support at Eden Gardens. In that game between Pak and BD, majority of crowd were rooting for Pak.

PCT will be safe in India as always. Lets be honest, even PCB knows it and thats why they are saying if India comes to Pak for Asia cup then they will go to India, otherwise it will be a security problem.

I seriously want to see PCB and Pakistan government keeping its stance.

Pakistan will be the loser, it will have to miss 3 more ICC events.

BCCI will surely not send the team for CT 2025. How ICC will make the event financially viable without India remains a big question.

IPL may just start handing out exclusivity contracts with higher pay for not playing any other league in Asia, without BCCI's permission.

A lot of cards will be played if Pakistan team refuses to come to India. Because India and BCCI will not agree to any hybrid model and give PCB leverage for future.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I seriously want to see PCB and Pakistan government keeping its stance.

Pakistan will be the loser, it will have to miss 3 more ICC events.

BCCI will surely not send the team for CT 2025. How ICC will make the event financially viable without India remains a big question.

IPL may just start handing out exclusivity contracts with higher pay for not playing any other league in Asia, without BCCI's permission.

A lot of cards will be played if Pakistan team refuses to come to India. Because India and BCCI will not agree to any hybrid model and give PCB leverage for future.

This post is full of arrogance and from someone who doesn't love the game of cricket. Threatening by playing cards, feeling proud of misusing their power of money as if it is his own money. Kaun hai yeh log, kahan se aate hai.

 

[Rajdeep]

I seriously want to see PCB and Pakistan government keeping its stance.

Pakistan will be the loser, it will have to miss 3 more ICC events.

BCCI will surely not send the team for CT 2025. How ICC will make the event financially viable without India remains a big question.

IPL may just start handing out exclusivity contracts with higher pay for not playing any other league in Asia, without BCCI's permission.

A lot of cards will be played if Pakistan team refuses to come to India. Because India and BCCI will not agree to any hybrid model and give PCB leverage for future.

I am all for PCB to take a stance if they may as it is their right. They should simply say - "Look just bcoz India is not coming to play Asia Cup here, we won't send our team to India to play world cup either". That is totally fine and acceptable. But they are blaming India's security issue and saying muslims are unsafe is the problem. And when it is said by fans of a team which has zero minority players, it becomes even more hilarious.

Thats why I was saying yesterday, ICC/ACC must keep India-Pakistan in seperate groups so we don't have to go through these annual dramas. We can only play if need to be at knock out rounds like we did in 2011 WC. I for one have zero interest in this so called rivalry anyway and think its time to bury it.

 

[shah9425]

This post is full of arrogance and from someone who doesn't love the game of cricket. Threatening by playing cards, feeling proud of misusing their power of money as if it is his own money. Kaun hai yeh log, kahan se aate hai.

I didn't wanted to say but mods need to check this guy hateful comments continuously spreading hate here

 

[Major]

How did that put any player in danger?

so digging up pitches was alright? Shiv Sena wanted to attack the players.

Also, indian crowds did riots and put fans and players at risk too during 1996

 

[Major]

This post is full of arrogance and from someone who doesn't love the game of cricket. Threatening by playing cards, feeling proud of misusing their power of money as if it is his own money. Kaun hai yeh log, kahan se aate hai.

i find it funny how there are indian posters that boost about IPL and BCCI as if they get the money. THese posters could be living in a slum, but they will defend things as if they get paid.

One of the odd thing about IPLs license is that buyers dont even allow you to post highlights or match snippets on social media. Casual cricket fans dont specially buy subscription for hihglights or snippits, they watch them on social media when they come across it.

 

[U$ofA]

Setting aside all the above fantasy/forum world discussions, what is the official stance of the PCB, BCCI and ICC?

Well, forget the ICC. I am sure they have not uttered a syllable on this.

But all these things will be sorted out in the end. When large amount of $$$ is involved, things are sorted out. Will be no different in this case.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

so digging up pitches was alright? Shiv Sena wanted to attack the players.

Also, indian crowds did riots and put fans and players at risk too during 1996

How many players got injured and how many countries stopped touring since then ? Except Pak fans even PCB knows its fully safe to tour India. Players need not be given presidential level security in India like Pakistan where players are always unsafe...

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

This post is full of arrogance and from someone who doesn't love the game of cricket. Threatening by playing cards, feeling proud of misusing their power of money as if it is his own money. Kaun hai yeh log, kahan se aate hai.

He is just stating the reality. He doesnt dictate these things. This is how things would go ahead knowing BCCI's way of doing the things.

 

[nextover666666]

The country were cricketers were attacked with bullets and bombs was Pakistan and not India.

Those attacks happened in 2009, and we all know who was behind it, that being said the current situation with Hindu Indian extremists and hindu terrorism towards Muslim at its peak, the same thing Can Happen in India today as well, Pakistan team can be attacked by these Hindu extremists groups, it is not safe for our players simple as that.

 

[nextover666666]

And help Pakistan by giving away points? And forfeit match. That will be foolish

Than your political stance has no meaning and is foolish. Play Pakistan in all matches or do not play them at all its very simple, not complicated.

 

[nextover666666]

There is no problem for any cricketer in India just bcoz they are muslim. India's two premium fast bowlers are muslim. I don't see a single hindu player in PCT though, so the problem is and has always been one sided. Though thats a different debate all together but pls don't bring this muslim card.

Pak team visited India in 2016 under same BJP rule and after URI attacks. At that time supposedly beef lynchings (all lies) were at its peak. Did anything happen to Pak players? If anything, they got massive support at Eden Gardens. In that game between Pak and BD, majority of crowd were rooting for Pak.

PCT will be safe in India as always. Lets be honest, even PCB knows it and that is why they are saying if India comes to Pak for Asia cup then they will go to India, otherwise it will be a security problem.

LMAO you cant compare Hindu population of Pakistan ( which is about 30 million) to India's Muslim Population( 213 million) their is a big difference their, with a Muslims Population of 213 million you would suspect to see 2-3 Muslims in the squad. On the other hand we have had Hindu/ Christian players represent Pakistan as well. Religion is not the issue, its just possible all the talent that is coming out is Muslim, but I do believe the general public would show a lot of love and support if a Hindu/Sikh/ or Christian was playing for Pakistan in Cricket, in other sports recently we have had Christians and Hindu representing Pakistan.

One can not deny the Muslim issue in India, it is their, and it does exist. I live in Canada, and I grew up with several Indian Muslims, they do speak about the issue, they and their families have faced in India, and the world is well aware of the problem their for Muslims.

 

[Rajdeep]

LMAO you cant compare Hindu population of Pakistan ( which is about 30 million) to India's Muslim Population( 213 million) their is a big difference their, with a Muslims Population of 213 million you would suspect to see 2-3 Muslims in the squad. On the other hand we have had Hindu/ Christian players represent Pakistan as well. Religion is not the issue, its just possible all the talent that is coming out is Muslim, but I do believe the general public would show a lot of love and support if a Hindu/Sikh/ or Christian was playing for Pakistan in Cricket, in other sports recently we have had Christians and Hindu representing Pakistan.

One can not deny the Muslim issue in India, it is their, and it does exist. I live in Canada, and I grew up with several Indian Muslims, they do speak about the issue, they and their families have faced in India, and the world is well aware of the problem their for Muslims.

Religion is not the issue said by the person from a country which was formed based on religion. As I said, I don't want to distract this discussion but have you EVER wondered why only 30 million hindus remained in Pakistan compared to 230 million muslims in India if situation of muslims in India is so bad? Bangladesh also has less (if not lesser) hindu population but how come there are 2 hindu players in their team?

PCB is all within their right to not send their cricket team to India but they should simply stop giving security issue or raise concerns like muslims are not safe in India. It laughable

 

[MenInG]

New Delhi, Apr 11 (PTI) The Pakistan cricket team would prefer playing bulk of its 2023 ODI World Cup matches in Chennai and Kolkata -- the two venues where the team has felt safe during its earlier tours, according to ICC sources.

The World Cup will start tentatively on October 5, with 46 matches, including the final set to be played across 12 Indian cities, including Ahmedabad, Lucknow, Mumbai, Rajkot, Bengaluru, Delhi, Indore, Guwahati and Hyderabad, Dharamasala.

It is understood that discussions are currently on at the ICC level as Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) bigwigs are in talks with a top level ICC executive on the issue, which still remains a sensitive one.

https://www.ptinews.com/news/sports...eferred-venues-for-their-wc-games/548680.html

 

[Rajdeep]

New Delhi, Apr 11 (PTI) The Pakistan cricket team would prefer playing bulk of its 2023 ODI World Cup matches in Chennai and Kolkata -- the two venues where the team has felt safe during its earlier tours, according to ICC sources.

The World Cup will start tentatively on October 5, with 46 matches, including the final set to be played across 12 Indian cities, including Ahmedabad, Lucknow, Mumbai, Rajkot, Bengaluru, Delhi, Indore, Guwahati and Hyderabad, Dharamasala.

It is understood that discussions are currently on at the ICC level as Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) bigwigs are in talks with a top level ICC executive on the issue, which still remains a sensitive one.

https://www.ptinews.com/news/sports...eferred-venues-for-their-wc-games/548680.html

Both the venues would help PCT from cricketing perspective as well. Chennai and Kolkata is known to assist spinners with low and slow UAE type wickets. Considering Pakistan has got very good record in UAE, they would like these 2 venues. Any batting paradise flat decks like Wankhede/ Bangalore and they would struggle as most teams would outbat them.

 

[Major]

How many players got injured and how many countries stopped touring since then ? Except Pak fans even PCB knows its fully safe to tour India. Players need not be given presidential level security in India like Pakistan where players are always unsafe...

So playes not getting injured due an india riot and fire in the stands is alright? Wow feel sorry for indians than, that fellow indians think it is alright to risk each others lives.

Presidential level security? Umm bro, pakistan team was housed in the stadium premises during the 2011 world cup, due to security issues of india.

Lol, uf there is an election in india, you guys cant even host a cricket tournament, this is a non issue in other countries

 

[msb314]

Both the venues would help PCT from cricketing perspective as well. Chennai and Kolkata is known to assist spinners with low and slow UAE type wickets. Considering Pakistan has got very good record in UAE, they would like these 2 venues. Any batting paradise flat decks like Wankhede/ Bangalore and they would struggle as most teams would outbat them.

Our ODI record in UAE is horrible. We haven’t beaten anyone outside of WI and SL there.

I actually think we have a better chance on a flat wicket if we bat first and let scoreboard pressure due to the rest..

 

[nextover666666]

Religion is not the issue said by the person from a country which was formed based on religion. As I said, I don't want to distract this discussion but have you EVER wondered why only 30 million hindus remained in Pakistan compared to 230 million muslims in India if situation of muslims in India is so bad? Bangladesh also has less (if not lesser) hindu population but how come there are 2 hindu players in their team?

PCB is all within their right to not send their cricket team to India but they should simply stop giving security issue or raise concerns like muslims are not safe in India. It laughable

Religion is not the issue- just not enough talent coming in from hindu community, im sure if their was a hindu player who merits a selection, he would make it without any problems.

The Muslims issue in India might seem laughable to you, but for the Muslims who are suffering in India, I can assure their not laughing mate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

so digging up pitches was alright? Shiv Sena wanted to attack the players.

Also, indian crowds did riots and put fans and players at risk too during 1996

Pakistani team came and played and went back. Which player was attacked?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He is just stating the reality. He doesnt dictate these things. This is how things would go ahead knowing BCCI's way of doing the things.

Did BCCI tell him specifically what they are going to do? BCCI is known for their hypocrisy also.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistani team came and played and went back. Which player was attacked?

Same way Indian team also went to Pakistan, played, got lots of love from Pakistanis and came back. As I said earlier, both teams and boards have to trust each other. With BCCI and their hypocrisy over the years, it looks pretty difficult though.

Australia, England and New Zealand all these teams have successfully toured Pakistan recently. Even though they are not as rich as Indian cricketers, their lives still matters.

 

[MenInG]

New Delhi, Apr 11 (PTI) The Pakistan cricket team would prefer playing bulk of its 2023 ODI World Cup matches in Chennai and Kolkata -- the two venues where the team has felt safe during its earlier tours, according to ICC sources.

The World Cup will start tentatively on October 5, with 46 matches, including the final set to be played across 12 Indian cities, including Ahmedabad, Lucknow, Mumbai, Rajkot, Bengaluru, Delhi, Indore, Guwahati and Hyderabad, Dharamasala.

It is understood that discussions are currently on at the ICC level as Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) bigwigs are in talks with a top level ICC executive on the issue, which still remains a sensitive one.

https://www.ptinews.com/news/sports...eferred-venues-for-their-wc-games/548680.html

Strange mixed signals these!

 

[cricketjoshila]

So playes not getting injured due an india riot and fire in the stands is alright? Wow feel sorry for indians than, that fellow indians think it is alright to risk each others lives.

Presidential level security? Umm bro, pakistan team was housed in the stadium premises during the 2011 world cup, due to security issues of india.

Lol, uf there is an election in india, you guys cant even host a cricket tournament, this is a non issue in other countries

1. No player was attacked in India. But players were attacked in Pakistan, with bullets and bombs. Whataboutery won't change it.

2. Please post a reference that Pakistan team was housed in the stadium premises during the 2011 WC.

3. Wrong. 2019 elections and the IPL were held simultaneously.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Strange mixed signals these!

Pakistan played their matches in Kolkata and Chennai during the 2016 T20 WC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Religion is not the issue- just not enough talent coming in from hindu community, im sure if their was a hindu player who merits a selection, he would make it without any problems.

The Muslims issue in India might seem laughable to you, but for the Muslims who are suffering in India, I can assure their not laughing mate.

A hindu cricketer has said he was discriminated against when he was in the team. Shoaib Akhtar said the same.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Than your political stance has no meaning and is foolish. Play Pakistan in all matches or do not play them at all its very simple, not complicated.

You don't understand. We pick and choose what benefits us.

 

[shujaatraza]

A hindu cricketer has said he was discriminated against when he was in the team. Shoaib Akhtar said the same.

Are you talking about Dinesh Kaneria who played 70 odd test matches for Pakistan and was preferred over Saeed Ajmal until his ban?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Are you talking about Dinesh Kaneria who played 70 odd test matches for Pakistan and was preferred over Saeed Ajmal until his ban?

Yes. He said he was discriminated against. Shoaib Akhtar supported that statement.

 

[nextover666666]

A hindu cricketer has said he was discriminated against when he was in the team. Shoaib Akhtar said the same.

Discrimination can happen which is unfourtanate, however he still got the oppertunity to play for Pakistan, if religion was an issue they would have not selected him in the first place. Also Some Indian Muslims players face discrimination as well, they might not come out and say it, due to fear, but they face it as well

 

[nextover666666]

You don't understand. We pick and choose what benefits us.

I Understand you pick and chose your political stance, but it doesnt make sense no point of having a political stance if you pick and chose, but alas that is how India does things, they make the simple things complicated

 

[shamaan]

Those attacks happened in 2009, and we all know who was behind it, that being said the current situation with Hindu Indian extremists and hindu terrorism towards Muslim at its peak, the same thing Can Happen in India today as well, Pakistan team can be attacked by these Hindu extremists groups, it is not safe for our players simple as that.

I agree it's very unsafe and can be attacked by hindu extremists.

 

[Hitman]

Discrimination can happen which is unfourtanate, however he still got the oppertunity to play for Pakistan, if religion was an issue they would have not selected him in the first place. Also Some Indian Muslims players face discrimination as well, they might not come out and say it, due to fear, but they face it as well

What is your source of information?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Yeah, in Peshawar and Lahore

 

[offstump]

Didn’t Mohammad Shami face all kinds of abuse from his fellow Indian countrymen and women online? Muslims were beaten up in India after Pakistan won the match.

 

[RajBan]

i find it funny how there are indian posters that boost about IPL and BCCI as if they get the money. THese posters could be living in a slum, but they will defend things as if they get paid.

One of the odd thing about IPLs license is that buyers dont even allow you to post highlights or match snippets on social media. Casual cricket fans dont specially buy subscription for hihglights or snippits, they watch them on social media when they come across it.

I don't think that's a problem when it's available for free in Jio website.

 

[RajBan]

Religion is not the issue- just not enough talent coming in from hindu community, im sure if their was a hindu player who merits a selection, he would make it without any problems.

The Muslims issue in India might seem laughable to you, but for the Muslims who are suffering in India, I can assure their not laughing mate.

Off topic but Muslims at every social strata are doing better in India than Pakistan in terms of education, employment opportunities, social security, women rights. Yes there are definitely right wing elements causing disruptions and chaos in pockets which needs to be addressed but the truth is you have far bigger sectarian issues as well as socio economic challenges causing greater harm to Muslim citizens in Pakistan. Don't go by Indian media narratives as it is heavily polarized along political lines and that's what feeds into foreign news agencies because it sells.

 

[RajBan]

Discrimination can happen which is unfourtanate, however he still got the oppertunity to play for Pakistan, if religion was an issue they would have not selected him in the first place. Also Some Indian Muslims players face discrimination as well, they might not come out and say it, due to fear, but they face it as well

Your entire argument for last few hours is based on speculative ifs and buts.

 

[U$ofA]

So playes not getting injured due an india riot and fire in the stands is alright? Wow feel sorry for indians than, that fellow indians think it is alright to risk each others lives.

Presidential level security? Umm bro, pakistan team was housed in the stadium premises during the 2011 world cup, due to security issues of india.

Lol, uf there is an election in india, you guys cant even host a cricket tournament, this is a non issue in other countries

Did not realize that Pak. team stayed in the stadiums at the 2011 WC. Looks like this info has been suppressed. Is this info coming from the PCB?

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

So playes not getting injured due an india riot and fire in the stands is alright? Wow feel sorry for indians than, that fellow indians think it is alright to risk each others lives.

Presidential level security? Umm bro, pakistan team was housed in the stadium premises during the 2011 world cup, due to security issues of india.

Lol, uf there is an election in india, you guys cant even host a cricket tournament, this is a non issue in other countries

Presidential security in Pakistan has become a norm which isnt the case in India...Its so laughable that Pak has one of the worst security situation in world still u are comparing it with India...

Due to the current security situation in Islamabad, the Embassy of Sweden has been closed That says a lot...

INDIA has even hosted 2022 FIFA U-17 Women's World Cup which is a dream for Pak considering the present situation.

IPL is BCCI's domestic tournament and it doesnt matter if once or twice tournament is held outside. What matters is tournament goes on without any problem and no one was having any trouble whenever its held outside India...

 

[Major]

Pakistani team came and played and went back. Which player was attacked?

Pakistan was threaten. A run out ended up causing Indian fans to do riots. Shiv Sena used to dig up pitches.

These are security risk not only for Pakistan but for Indians aswell..

 

[Major]

1. No player was attacked in India. But players were attacked in Pakistan, with bullets and bombs. Whataboutery won't change it.

2. Please post a reference that Pakistan team was housed in the stadium premises during the 2011 WC.

3. Wrong. 2019 elections and the IPL were held simultaneously.

Indian players had their house pelted with rocks and even burned.

I remember reading an article where Pakistani players had to live in Chadigarh stadiums guest room, maybe it was changed at the last minute..

However, the security arrangements were as such, https://crickethighlights.com/2011/...ersus-pakistan-semi-final-icc-world-cup-2011/. Thus this refutes the point of the poster that presidential security isnt required when infact it is for Pakistan.

Yet the 2009 tournament couldn't be hosted, as India fails to do so when elections taking place.

 

[Major]

Yes. He said he was discriminated against. Shoaib Akhtar supported that statement.

you do know that this a match fixer making such claims right? Someone who blew up his career thus now says things to spice things up?

 

[Major]

I don't think that's a problem when it's available for free in Jio website.

and as usual, indians will defend everything blindly. People who would go to Jio app or website are the niche cricket die hard fans, casual fans are in greater number and they watch highlights casually on social media

 

[Hitman]

you do know that this a match fixer making such claims right? Someone who blew up his career thus now says things to spice things up?

Shoaib Akhtar is not a match fixer. He agreed with Kaneria's claim.