Should Pakistan use the proposed tour of England (2020) as leverage for a future visit by England?

[MenInG]

Wasim Khan says there is no connection but surely a case can be made as Atherton had suggested? Pakistan helping England in time of need so why cant England send in their team in the future?

 

[Bhaijaan]

No they should not.

This is a great humanitarian gesture from PCB and we all respect them for showing purity of heart at this tough time for the whole world.

Asking for anything return will spoil this gesture from being considered one for humanity.

 

[MenInG]

Please vote on poll.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Tempting given Eng women played in Malaysia recently even though WI and BD women had successfully toured the country. Despite Wasim Khan's links with the ECB he couldn't convince them to tour.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Neither of the options on the poll are correct. There’s a third thing — don’t ask for it publicly, hint at it during negotiations but keep the focus on the humanitarian olive branch.

That is what Wasim Khan is doing. And he’s doing it very well. Posters here won’t be happy until he announces it in a press conference but that will jeopardize the relationship.

So the answer to the poll is, both. And neither. [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] maybe you can add a third option to the poll “Negotiate behind the scenes but not too aggressively”

 

[Abdullah719]

Neither of the options on the poll are correct. There’s a third thing — don’t ask for it publicly, hint at it during negotiations but keep the focus on the humanitarian olive branch.

That is what Wasim Khan is doing. And he’s doing it very well. Posters here won’t be happy until he announces it in a press conference but that will jeopardize the relationship.

So the answer to the poll is, both. And neither. [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] maybe you can add a third option to the poll “Negotiate behind the scenes but not too aggressively”

Option added.

 

[Hasan123]

I don't see PCB having the savvy to use the fact they are travelling to England to force England to play in Pakistan. I also don't see them acting in this manner.

We shouldn't blackmail teams in to travelling into Pakistan. If you want to come, that is great. If not, we can't do much about it and we have to respect that country's decision.

 

[Junaids]

Yeah, because the 2012-13 ODI tour to India (which ruined preparation for a Test series in South Africa) worked SOOOO well at getting the BCCI to make a reciprocal tour to Pakistan or even the UAE.

So this isn’t a tried and tested failure of a strategy!

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Option added.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Yeah, because the 2012-13 ODI tour to India (which ruined preparation for a Test series in South Africa) worked SOOOO well at getting the BCCI to make a reciprocal tour to Pakistan or even the UAE.

So this isn’t a tried and tested failure of a strategy!

How much you wanna bet? I’ll tag you on the thread when Wasim Khan announces an England tour for 2022

 

[Zaz]

Yeah, because the 2012-13 ODI tour to India (which ruined preparation for a Test series in South Africa) worked SOOOO well at getting the BCCI to make a reciprocal tour to Pakistan or even the UAE.

So this isn’t a tried and tested failure of a strategy!

The ecb arent bcci The pcb are more ethical and trustworthy than the bcci will ever be

 

[Junaids]

The ecb arent bcci The pcb are more ethical and trustworthy than the bcci will ever be

I suggest you watch the movie documentary “Death of a Gentleman” and specifically the parts featuring the former pet salesman Giles Clarke, who has dominated the ECB for a decade.

I wouldn’t lend him so much as a tic tac without a formal contractual undertaking from this odious man.

So no, if the ECB allows such a man to occupy high office, I’m not sure that I would use the words Trustworthy or Ethical to describe it.

My words for the ECB after its Big Three conduct would be:

Irresponsible
Self-serving
Unprincipled
Disloyal
Beneath contempt.

 

[hitthestump]

No they should not.

This is a great humanitarian gesture from PCB and we all respect them for showing purity of heart at this tough time for the whole world.

Asking for anything return will spoil this gesture from being considered one for humanity.

Why not both? The fact is that if Pakistan continue to play useless home games against SL while the bigger teams avoid touring then that equals millions of lost revenue on top of the amount they have already lost out on.

Pakistan can ill afford not to play this the smart way. If they can snag England into touring then no other team will have any excuse to say no.

From the humanitarian aspect yes it is a great gesture, and it will also benefit the PCB to have greater income from which they can build the futures of their budding cricketers at home.

 

[Robert]

England will tour Pakistan when the Foreign Office risk assessment says it is safe for the touring party.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

ECB is just as bad as the BCCI. If they had as much unabated power as the BCCI they would be bully others just the same. As [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] mentioned the doc. The Death of a Gentlemen paints a telling picture of how the bigwigs who run these Big 3 boards operate. One is just as self-serving and contemptuous as the next.

The reason ECB are always so keen to have Pakistan touring is because most of all, it benefits them. England has a massive Pakistani diaspora and Pakistan are generally competitive in those conditions, both of which = £££ in ticket sales and broadcasting money.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Now that Coronavirus has swept the planet the ECB will be prioritizing revenue-driving games even more since they won't be making money off those ticket sales.

 

[HitWicket]

Now that Coronavirus has swept the planet the ECB will be prioritizing revenue-driving games even more since they won't be making money off those ticket sales.

Ticket sales are insured.

 

[MenInG]

Whether its said or not, there will be some leverage in-built in this tour - now whether ECB take that into account in their decision later is a bit of an honour type thing - to be seen.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Naturally ECB are lining up a tour to Pakistan, the groundwork has been laid. This tour will only cement that sentiment, no need to seek leverage. Should have done that during the big 3 meetings years back.

 

[Mamoon]

We are not doing any ‘ahsaan’ on England by agreeing to tour - let’s not try to give it that angle. We are not volunteering; we are only committing the FTP. We were scheduled to tour this summer anyway.

Touring England is a big deal and Pakistan is not in a position to say no as long as ECB takes protective measures which they obviously will.

Covid will not vanish overnight. This wave will stay with us for at least 2 years, and people will have to live with it and try to adjust their lifestyle. Lockdown is no longer a solution and it is important to resume sports.

People who are suggesting that this tour should not happen or there should be no sporting events are living on cloud cuckoo land where they would wake up one day and the world would be Covid free, or perhaps a vaccine will be developed and the entire global population will be vaccinated and that would be it.

No, none of that is going to happen. As I said, we have to learn to live with and adjust our lifestyle accordingly. Take basic/necessary precautionary measures and move on with your lives.

 

[Savak]

Imagine if the situation was in reverse where the ECB were obligated under the FTP to tour Pakistan, Pakistan had significant Covid 19 deaths and the PCB were under significant pressure to recover $200-300 million from the broadcasters, would the ECB have helped the PCB out?

 

[Mamoon]

Imagine if the situation was in reverse where the ECB were obligated under the FTP to tour Pakistan, Pakistan had significant Covid 19 deaths and the PCB were under significant pressure to recover $200-300 million from the broadcasters, would the ECB have helped the PCB out?

The UK have significant deaths because of their demographics, not because the virus in UK is different to the one in Pakistan.

The Pakistani players will not be under greater risk of catching the virus than they are now, unless they have complete confined themselves in their homes which I don’t think is the case. It is simply not possible.

ECB is not PCB - it is a responsible and competent board that will leave no stone unturned to ensure that the safety of the players is of paramount importance.

If it was the other way around, perhaps the ECB would not have opted to tour unless they were heading to Australia of India, simply because a tour of Pakistan is less important.

On the other hand, a tour of England is very significant to Pakistan. We need this.

If we want to feel important and decide to play hard ball by attempting to arm-twist ECB into touring Pakistan because we are doing them favors by honoring the FTP, it will only be our loss in the long run. The PCB is not in a position to act tough or entitled.

Thankfully Wasim Khan seems to be operating sensibly and taking smart decisions for once.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Nothing wrong with the PCB mentioning it to the ECB, but in my opinion this is not an issue you can coerce or compell teams into doing. There is no alternative either than doing the hard work (which PCB has apparently done so far) in ensuring that PSL, small tours, bigger tours vs SL/BD goes through without a hitch. If the groundwork is done properly, teams like England and Australia will probably tour eventually. You also have to remember that white countries may not care if Bangladesh or Sri Lanka tour safely 100 times.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Imagine if the situation was in reverse where the ECB were obligated under the FTP to tour Pakistan, Pakistan had significant Covid 19 deaths and the PCB were under significant pressure to recover $200-300 million from the broadcasters, would the ECB have helped the PCB out?

Can't compare. Most Pakistan players have been to England several times.
Several leading English cricketers like Stokes, Root, Buttler, Wood, Archer, Bairstow, Broad etc would have never ever stepped foot in Pakistan.
At least Pakistan players would be visiting a country they are familiar spending plenty of time in.
Same won't be the case if England go to Pakistan.
So there is a big distinction here.

 

[Abdullah719]

The PCB chairman clarified that Pakistan are going to play in England without any pre-conditions with the ECB (England & Wales Cricket Board) to ensure the England visit here on reciprocal basis. “I’ll make it clear once and for all we in the PCB have not set any pre-conditions whatever in agreeing to play in England. On the contrary we are helping the ECB in restarting international cricket after this very long break because of the Covid-19 pandemic,” Mani stressed.

“The media can say and write whatever they want but from our perspective PCB is not forcing the ECB to send their team to Pakistan as conditions for this summer’s series. These are critical times at every sphere of life and we are just helping ECB in resumption of top international cricket. The West Indies are already there and we’ll also do the same in a bio-secure atmosphere necessitated by global spreading of Covid-19. England are due to tour Pakistan in 2021-22 as per the ICC Future Tours Programme and as far we understand that series is on.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1564207

 

[Manzy2599]

There’s no harm in mentioning possible future tours to Pak but they shouldn’t use leverage or force because that just sets a bad example and shows desperation. Also COVID-19 cases in Pakistan will make it really difficult to hold a home series in the near future because PCB can’t ensure the players ‘safety’ in a bio secure bubble like the ECB. Bad luck for PCB especially when PSL and Ban/SL tours to Pak were so successful recently.

 

[Firebat]

Wasim is hopeful the England team will tour the country early in 2022, as scheduled:

"You boys owe Pakistan cricket, and the country, a lot, with the boys coming over here.
"The English players were there for the Pakistan Super League in our team, Karachi Kings – Alex Hales and Chris Jordan. They loved it, they enjoyed it, they got looked after beautifully and I must give credit to the government of Pakistan, the Pakistan Cricket Board and the Pakistan team and their staff.
"They’ve been here almost two and half months in the bio-secure. So if everything goes well, England should tour Pakistan. I promise you they'll get looked after on and off the field there and every game will be a packed house."