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A lot of celebrities from Pakistan or of Pakistani decent have fully supported Kashmir since the this latest curfew and have condemned the Indian Army/Government action that have lead to the plight of Kashmiri Muslims and the stance of Pakistani Government.

For example;
Singers, actors, sportsmen, cricketers, you-tubers, bloggers, famous people with huge [in millions] Facebook and Twitter followers etc.

But at the same time, a lot of big names are shockingly missing.

Question/debate is: shouldn't these people with huge fan following openly come out and condemn these atrocities? Why or why not?

Without naming a blogger, him and wife have six million followers on FB. Why has he not said a single word about Kashmir? Is he afraid of losing his Indian followers?

Without naming a Pakistani cricketer, who has 5 million followers on twitter.. why has he not said anything in support of Kashmir? Is he afraid of losing his IPL contract, if that is supposed to come in future?


A lot of Indian celebrities on the other hand have openly supported their government and its stance in their national interest.

Discuss...
 
I believe that any decent human being (doesn't matter whether celebrity or not) should condemn the atrocity.

There's no difference between India's treatment of Kashmir and Israel's treatment of Palestine.
 
I believe that any decent human being (doesn't matter whether celebrity or not) should condemn the atrocity.

There's no difference between India's treatment of Kashmir and Israel's treatment of Palestine.

The exaggerations are ridiculous. That's why there is not much support. Are Kashmiris firing rockets? Is India bombarding Kashmir with air strikes? Unlike Palestine, Kashmiris have been part of the Indian state for 70 years. Soon, you will be cursing Kashmiris for not meeting your "expectations".
 
The exaggerations are ridiculous. That's why there is not much support. Are Kashmiris firing rockets? Is India bombarding Kashmir with air strikes? Unlike Palestine, Kashmiris have been part of the Indian state for 70 years. Soon, you will be cursing Kashmiris for not meeting your "expectations".

If I understand your post correctly.....

Nobody is comparing Kashimir with Palestine. Different issues altogether.


Kashmiri people are made prisoners in their houses for more that 2 weeks without being able to go our and buy food. They have not been able to get treatment of the sick and unable to bury their dead. I know a few people here in USA who are from IOK Kashmir .... they have not been able to talk to their loved ones since the curfew started. Playing down these atrocities is also outrageously ridiculous!
But that is not this thread is about. I request not to derail this thread.


This is about the dead silence by a lot of Pakistani celebrities in support of Kashmiri people and their political stance of their Government .... as oppose to the Indian celebrities giving 100% support to their government..... e.g. no playing cricket with Pakistan etc.
 
If I understand your post correctly.....

Nobody is comparing Kashimir with Palestine. Different issues altogether.


Kashmiri people are made prisoners in their houses for more that 2 weeks without being able to go our and buy food. They have not been able to get treatment of the sick and unable to bury their dead. I know a few people here in USA who are from IOK Kashmir .... they have not been able to talk to their loved ones since the curfew started. Playing down these atrocities is also outrageously ridiculous!
But that is not this thread is about. I request not to derail this thread.


This is about the dead silence by a lot of Pakistani celebrities in support of Kashmiri people and their political stance of their Government .... as oppose to the Indian celebrities giving 100% support to their government..... e.g. no playing cricket with Pakistan etc.

I'm.not playing down. My response was for comparing Kashmir with Palestine. Curfiew can't go on indefinitely. It is being released in phases. When a drastic decision is made, there needs to be a cool off period so all parties can relax. That's it. Paksitani media claimed that army is entering every home and killing people. That's an exaggeration too. The cool off period is coming to an end. Now it depends on Kashmiris and Army to see how they react
 
Probably they are afraid of getting labeled as "encouraging nuclear war" if they do so?
 
If Sania Mirza can support her Government, policies and war "hero", what is stopping people like Wasim Akram, Misbah, Waqar, Zaid Ali, Sham Idrees, and MANY others from sporting their own (their parent's) Government...and plight on Kashmiri Muslims?


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Probably they are afraid of getting labeled as "encouraging nuclear war" if they do so?

So was Sania Mirza encouraging nuclear war when she was going nuts welcoming the war hero? See my post above.
 
In India, the media are just waiting to pounce on any star celeb who will be critical of India in relation to Pakistan. I think even if they know their country is the wrong they have no other option to keep their mouthes shut or support their country to keep good PR in some cases maybe.

I think it will be great for Pakistani celebs to show their support though.
 
Aren't they doing that already? What a shame. Even I, an Indian secular, is condemning the atrocities of my nation.. why can't Pakistani celebrities do that? Shameful.
 
Yes, they should speak out.

Sania Mirza's tweet was poor and disrespectful, a pilot sent to bomb villages in Pakistan is no hero.
 
If Sania Mirza can support her Government, policies and war "hero", what is stopping people like Wasim Akram, Misbah, Waqar, Zaid Ali, Sham Idrees, and MANY others from sporting their own (their parent's) Government...and plight on Kashmiri Muslims?


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I think it's because of a lack of extreme nationalism.
As a nation, Pakistani people tend to be less vocal then their neighbours, especially the middle and upper classes.

Don't why this is but overall I think its a good thing. It shows the people are more moderate in their outlook
 
What was that saying by Obama...
If they go low, we go high.
 
I think it's because of a lack of extreme nationalism.
As a nation, Pakistani people tend to be less vocal then their neighbours, especially the middle and upper classes.

Don't why this is but overall I think its a good thing. It shows the people are more moderate in their outlook

Also, with such personalities, they have to show extra patriotism as they have married out. Sania is married to a Pakistani cricketer so her loyalty will be in question. Same for Priyanka who has ditched India for USA and an American husband. These people have to shout louder than other Indians to show their love for their country to compensate their new life choices.
 
Also, with such personalities, they have to show extra patriotism as they have married out. Sania is married to a Pakistani cricketer so her loyalty will be in question. Same for Priyanka who has ditched India for USA and an American husband. These people have to shout louder than other Indians to show their love for their country to compensate their new life choices.

Agreed.

To be honest it is this national fervour, the lack of questioning your own governments motives, and standing behind your country no matter what, so dangerous and off putting that I've just given up debating with these people.

They are so rigid in their outlook.

I don't think this situation would occur if roles were reversed but if they did I think the majority of people here on PP and in Pakistan would look past their patriotism and call out their own Government.

Thats just my view of course and any Indian reading this, please don't attack me on this.
 
ISLAMABAD : British Pakistan boxer Amir Khan visited the Line of Control on Tuesday as part of a ‘humanitarian visit to raise his voice for peace’.

This visit by the athlete comes in light of the increasing tensions between Pakistan and India following New Delhi’s decision to strip occupied Kashmir of its autonomous status.

“People are being tortured and children are being killed,” he said, adding, “I was watching all of this on my television in Britain, but I could not stay silent.”

He further said that he will raise his voice against the brutalities of Indian occupation forces in Kashmir.

Earlier this week, Amir took to Twitter to announce plans of his visit to the Pakistan side of the LoC.

In the backdrop of rising Pak-India tensions, Khan had announced on Saturday that he would visit the LoC to raise his voice against the brutal atrocities of the Modi-led government in occupied Kashmir.

In another tweet, he had described the situation in IoK as ‘terrible’, and wanted to visit the LoC to highlight India’s callous measures and human rights abuses.

Khan has expressed his gratitude toward the Pakistan Army for organising his visit to the country.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2043110/1-boxer-amir-khan-visits-loc-rally-support-kashmiris/
 
Yes our celebrities should openly support Pak fauj and Kashmiris in IOK. Injustice is to be condemned wherever it takes place as Allah tells us at the very least condemn what is wrong with your heart. People listen to celebrities more then regular people. As Pak-Hind relations have completely broken down there is no need for our Mahira Khan types to worry about working in any future Indian projects. In fact Pak celebrities like Shaan Shahid and Mawra Hocane I believe are now openly speaking on Kashmir. To hell with losing followers on social media.
 
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Way to go Shahid Afridi......!!!!


Where is Inzimam Ul Haq?
Where is Misbah Ul Haq?
Where is Wasim Akram?
Where is Waqar Younis?
Where is Shoaib Akhtar?
Where is Younis Khan?
Where in Moin Khan?

Where are those legends...????

I am honestly disgusted at their silence!!!!!!!!!!!!


Only Afridi and Miandad have been openly condemning Indian government over Kashmir Issue!!!
 
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] Can you please ask some of the retired stars I mentioned in the post above, as to why they have not said a word in support of Kashmir? I can understand current players not speaking because of PCB contracts and stuff but what is stopping retired stars?

If Moin Ali can speak in favor of Palestine on a world stage, why our stars are quite?

If people like Sania Mirza, Gambhir and Harbhjan (to name a few) can speak up for their country, why are these cricketers quite?
 
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Way to go Shahid Afridi......!!!!


Where is Inzimam Ul Haq?
Where is Misbah Ul Haq?
Where is Wasim Akram?
Where is Waqar Younis?
Where is Shoaib Akhtar?
Where is Younis Khan?
Where in Moin Khan?

Where are those legends...????

I am honestly disgusted at their silence!!!!!!!!!!!!


Only Afridi and Miandad have been openly condemning Indian government over Kashmir Issue!!!

Why are they obligated to be vocal about Kashmir?

What if they don’t care and are simply interested in minding their own business?

Sure you can accuse the likes of Akhtar and Wasim for protecting their brand in India, but the likes of Inzamam, Younis, Misbah, Moin and Waqar don’t sell in India anyway.
 
Why are they obligated to be vocal about Kashmir?

What if they don’t care and are simply interested in minding their own business?

Sure you can accuse the likes of Akhtar and Wasim for protecting their brand in India, but the likes of Inzamam, Younis, Misbah, Moin and Waqar don’t sell in India anyway.

are you pathan ?
 
Why are they obligated to be vocal about Kashmir?

What if they don’t care and are simply interested in minding their own business?

By the same logic, why anybody in Pakistan is obligated to support Kashmir and condemn Indian government? People doing that must be idiots!


By the same logic, why anybody in the world is obligated to support Kashmir and condemn Indian government? People doing that must be idiots!


By the same logic, why anybody in the world is obligated to support Palestine and condemn Israeli government? People doing that must be idiots!


By the same logic, why anybody in the world is obligated to raise their voices against the atrocities by the oppressor over oppressed? People doing that must be idiots!
 
By the same logic, why anybody in Pakistan is obligated to support Kashmir and condemn Indian government? People doing that must be idiots!


By the same logic, why anybody in the world is obligated to support Kashmir and condemn Indian government? People doing that must be idiots!


By the same logic, why anybody in the world is obligated to support Palestine and condemn Israeli government? People doing that must be idiots!


By the same logic, why anybody in the world is obligated to raise their voices against the atrocities by the oppressor over oppressed? People doing that must be idiots!

You are overthinking. Some people care, some don’t. Some people actually don’t care but they pretend to care over the Internet.

For e.g., they are people on this forum and on social media who support the decision of showing solidarity for Kashmir every Friday. However, some of these people don’t care enough themselves to participate in it.

Maybe the likes of Misbah, Younis etc. are not interested in being vocal about Kashmir. Perhaps they don’t take keen interest in current affairs and are simply interested in their own lives.

Are they right or wrong? Well, it is a matter of perception. However, why do you think they are obligated to be vocal about Kashmir just because they are celebrities? I can understand criticizing Malala because of her status, but these are sports celebrities who are not expected to have knowledge of these matters.
 
You are overthinking. Some people care, some don’t. Some people actually don’t care but they pretend to care over the Internet.

For e.g., they are people on this forum and on social media who support the decision of showing solidarity for Kashmir every Friday. However, some of these people don’t care enough themselves to participate in it.

Maybe the likes of Misbah, Younis etc. are not interested in being vocal about Kashmir. Perhaps they don’t take keen interest in current affairs and are simply interested in their own lives.

Are they right or wrong? Well, it is a matter of perception. However, why do you think they are obligated to be vocal about Kashmir just because they are celebrities? I can understand criticizing Malala because of her status, but these are sports celebrities who are not expected to have knowledge of these matters.

How much knowledge (political or current affairs) one needs to understand the rapes, killings, kidnappings, and brutality towards common citizens - be it Palestinians or Kashmiris? I am sure, Afridi and Miandad don't read front page of every Newspaper everyday!


Some people care, some don’t. Some people actually don’t care but they pretend to care over the Internet.
Exactly.... that was the purpose of the post..... the celebrities who are shamelessly quite on the subject DO NOT care about the rapes, killings, kidnappings, and brutality towards common citizens!! Just simply do not care.


...and speaking of "pretending to care" how do you know, they are pretending? What is their vested interest in pretending to care? Can you read their mind? ...and by the way, hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis who came out on the streets of Pakistan yesterday.... were they also "pretending to care"?

I would love to know, what made this lady in the wheelchair to pretend to care....when she came out yesterday in a wheelchair;
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Wasim Akram, Misbah, Waqar and Malik type people have millions of followers on social medial (twitter and Facebook)..... thousands of teenagers (impressionable minds) follow them and consider them hero. Try to copy them... if they see that these "heroes" don't care about rapes, killings, kidnappings, and brutality towards common citizens ... guess what... they will not care either!


...and lastly why Malala's expected to speak on the subject and cricketers or bloggers like Zaid Ali T or Sham Idrees are not?

...just for the record, Malala did speak on the subject a day after India Government imposed curfew in Kashmir.
 
I was wondering what the position of Pakistani celebrities who have spent significant time in India like Atif Aslam, wasim Akram, rameez raja, shoaib akthar etc was. Do they see the India. Public most of whom are for Kashmir integration to india as a monolith hinutva fascist Nazi ideology following group like Imran is trying to paint them to be? Wonder what Imran thinks of his "close" friend Sunny now. Would he look Sunny in the face and call him a hindutva fascist if Sunny was for the changes in Kashmir?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“On Kashmir, the dialogue must include all stakeholders, especially the Kashmiris”<a href="https://t.co/5SyKnDr7bM">https://t.co/5SyKnDr7bM</a></p>— Wahab Riaz (@WahabViki) <a href="https://twitter.com/WahabViki/status/1167838370149613569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I was wondering what the position of Pakistani celebrities who have spent significant time in India like Atif Aslam, wasim Akram, rameez raja, shoaib akthar etc was. Do they see the India. Public most of whom are for Kashmir integration to india as a monolith hinutva fascist Nazi ideology following group like Imran is trying to paint them to be? Wonder what Imran thinks of his "close" friend Sunny now. Would he look Sunny in the face and call him a hindutva fascist if Sunny was for the changes in Kashmir?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Happy to share something very big with all of you. Inshallah I’ll be leaving soon for the most important (cont) <a href="https://t.co/7lBJRH1K7y">https://t.co/7lBJRH1K7y</a></p>— Atif Aslam (@itsaadee) <a href="https://twitter.com/itsaadee/status/1158674503037333504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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So Atif Aslam was overlooking the violence and tyranny against the kashmiris until a few months ago while he was busy singing Bollywood songs, being buddy buddy with the enemy Hindus and raking in cash? Ok then
 
So Atif Aslam was overlooking the violence and tyranny against the kashmiris until a few months ago while he was busy singing Bollywood songs, being buddy buddy with the enemy Hindus and raking in cash? Ok then

....and just because of that does justify rapes, killings, kidnappings, and brutality towards common citizens in Kashmir?


....why don't you explain the same logic every patriotic Indians - specially Congress leaders (e.g. Raul Gandhi etc), intellectuals like Arundhati Roy and may other Indian who are standing up for Kashmiri muslims........ by your definition they must be bigger hypocrites than Atif Aslam....because Atif Aslam does not carry blue passport like them!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“On Kashmir, the dialogue must include all stakeholders, especially the Kashmiris”<a href="https://t.co/5SyKnDr7bM">https://t.co/5SyKnDr7bM</a></p>— Wahab Riaz (@WahabViki) <a href="https://twitter.com/WahabViki/status/1167838370149613569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Salute to Wahab Riaz!
 
....and just because of that does justify rapes, killings, kidnappings, and brutality towards common citizens in Kashmir?


....why don't you explain the same logic every patriotic Indians - specially Congress leaders (e.g. Raul Gandhi etc), intellectuals like Arundhati Roy and may other Indian who are standing up for Kashmiri muslims........ by your definition they must be bigger hypocrites than Atif Aslam....because Atif Aslam does not carry blue passport like them!

Why should I critique Rahul Gandhi and arundhati Roy for their stance? They have always held this position and been vocal about it. I don't agree with them but I respect their opinions. India is a free country and they have a right to state their opinions. I was just pointing out the sudden hypocrisy of Aslam's statement. Did he just wake up and realize that indians are committing tyranny in Kashmir? If he held such a strong belief
on this subject likee Rahul and arundhati maybe he should have spoken up about it earlier
 
Why should I critique Rahul Gandhi and arundhati Roy for their stance? They have always held this position and been vocal about it. I don't agree with them but I respect their opinions. India is a free country and they have a right to state their opinions. I was just pointing out the sudden hypocrisy of Aslam's statement. Did he just wake up and realize that indians are committing tyranny in Kashmir? If he held such a strong belief
on this subject likee Rahul and arundhati maybe he should have spoken up about it earlier

That probably excludes Kashmir.
 
Many who are earning Indian rupees will stay quiet and bury their head in the sand.
 
How much knowledge (political or current affairs) one needs to understand the rapes, killings, kidnappings, and brutality towards common citizens - be it Palestinians or Kashmiris? I am sure, Afridi and Miandad don't read front page of every Newspaper everyday!

Again, they care about it. Others don’t. This is true for common people as well - some people took to the streets yesterday, some are vocal on social media and platforms like PP, while some don’t do anything. That doesn’t mean that they condone rapes and killings.

The likes of Younis, Inzamam, Waqar etc. are no different - however, you seem to be implying that because they are celebrities, they are obligated to be vocal about the Kashmir cause.

Exactly.... that was the purpose of the post..... the celebrities who are shamelessly quite on the subject DO NOT care about the rapes, killings, kidnappings, and brutality towards common citizens!! Just simply do not care.

You seem to be implying that because they are quiet on the subject, they do not care and perhaps they even support it. No one in his or her right mind would support atrocities against any group, but the level of sympathy differs from individual to individual. By calling them shameless, you come across as extremely judgmental.

I will give you another example - every ex-Pakistani legend is financially secure, but only Afridi has a foundation to help the needy. Does this mean that the likes of Younis, Waqar, Inzamam etc. do not help the poor? Obviously not, but they don’t care as much as Afridi does.

Furthermore, do you feel the same about Imran and Afridi turning a blind eye to the plight of the Uyghur Muslims in China? Do you also think they are shameless in not showing any solidarity because Pakistan benefits economically from friendship with the Chinese state?

Few months back, in an interview with a foreign media channel, Imran Khan was asked about his opinion on the atrocities of China against the Uyghur Muslims in its Xinjiang province.

Imran replied by stating that “he doesn’t know about it”. Do you really believe that the Prime Minister of Pakistan is ignorant of the human rights violations of China? Do you think he was shameless?

...and speaking of "pretending to care" how do you know, they are pretending? What is their vested interest in pretending to care? Can you read their mind? ...and by the way, hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis who came out on the streets of Pakistan yesterday.... were they also "pretending to care"?

Read my post again and you will understand:

“For e.g., they are people on this forum and on social media who support the decision of showing solidarity for Kashmir every Friday. However, some of these people don’t care enough themselves to participate in it.”

In my opinion, simply talking about it on social media is not enough because that is very easy. However, taking time out and taking part in the protest is more difficult.

It is obvious that anyone who had the means but didn’t attend the protest doesn’t care as much as the people who attended the protest. I am not judging them, I am simply implying that different people have different levels of sympathy.

Some don’t care at all and you won’t find them speaking about it, some care only to the extent of speaking about it, while there are also people who not only speak but also do something practical, e.g. the people who attended the protest.

I would love to know, what made this lady in the wheelchair to pretend to care....when she came out yesterday in a wheelchair;
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If you have read my post again at this point, you can answer the above yourself. The old lady obviously cares deeply about the Kashmir cause which is why she attended the protest.

Wasim Akram, Misbah, Waqar and Malik type people have millions of followers on social medial (twitter and Facebook)..... thousands of teenagers (impressionable minds) follow them and consider them hero. Try to copy them... if they see that these "heroes" don't care about rapes, killings, kidnappings, and brutality towards common citizens ... guess what... they will not care either!

I find this reasoning weak. Just because the above mentioned people have millions of followers, it doesn’t mean that they are obligated to live their lives for their followers.

Besides, they are not politicians, activists, ambassadors for peace etc. they are athletes and are thus not expected to support a political cause.

Also, the the millions of people who follow them also follow the likes of Imran and Afridi. It is highly probable that any Pakistan cricket fan who follows Malik or Wasim on social media is also following Imran and Afridi, arguably the two biggest stars in the country’s history.

So why are these people not inspired by Imran and Afridi supporting Kashmir, but discouraged because Wasim and lesser stars like Malik and Younis don’t?

Secondly, do you use the same logic to criticize Imran and Afridi for shamelessly ignoring the plight of the Uyghur Muslims for economic benefits?

Don’t you think they are setting a terrible and disgusting example for their millions of followers by proving that when there is money involved, support for human rights and caring for the oppressed is flushed down the toilet?

...and lastly why Malala's expected to speak on the subject and cricketers or bloggers like Zaid Ali T or Sham Idrees are not?

...just for the record, Malala did speak on the subject a day after India Government imposed curfew in Kashmir.

Malala is one of the most renowned human rights activists in the world. She has won numerous accolades for promoting peace included the Nobel Prize and is also a UN Messenger of Peace.

Are you actually comparing her to comedians and YouTubers, as well as cricketers? Considering her position in the world, she has an obligation to voice her support for human rights violations anywhere in the world.

You are right that Malala has tweeted on Kashmir. I don’t follow her on Twitter. However, it is interesting to note that she continues to be criticized all over Twitter for her silence on Kashmir and only a few people are endorsing her tweet. After reading now what she had to say, I can see why.

For a global icon of peace and human rights and a Nobel laureate, her stance was weak and came across as forced. She talked about “conflict”, “settling differences” and “there is no need of hurting each other” with no mention of Modi and BJP.

It seemed like a very generic response carefully crafted to ensure that she doesn’t upset supporters in India. That is all that she had to say on Kashmir and she hasn’t uttered a word since. It is very obvious that she is not actively supporting the Kashmir cause as a person in her position should be doing.

She has access to every forum and platform in the world. Clearly, she can do a lot more to draw attention to Kashmir. No wonder she is getting bashed.
 
Javed Miandad's joined with some interesting comments.
 
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