Should we find a power hitting coach for our limited overs cricket side?

[Savak]

We must be the worst team when it comes to power hitting, can't hit at the beginning of the innings, can't hit in the middle of the innings and can't hit at the end. And we used to curse having Afridi in the team at one point in time.

I cannot even keep track of the amount of games we have lost because of the failure of our batsmen to hit sixes when the situation demands it. Maybe the PCB needs to think about this and start following the ECB route where they invested in a power hitting coach and watch how their limited overs batting fortunes changed for the better.

This is what i feel our team needs, but will Misbah ul haq and the PCB be open to it?

 

[omairsiddiqui]

We should have power hitting coaches at the academy, with the junior teams and the senior team. It is an absolute necessity in this day and age.

We discarded Trent Woodhill after the failure of CT13 even though he is a world renowned power hitting coach.

 

[msb314]

I’m not sure exactly what a powerhitting coach will do with this rubbish team...

We need to change our strategy - if the target is 148 - we have to chase at 8 RPO right from ball one. It doesn’t help that we have a clown in Fakhar opening for us...

 

[msb314]

We should have power hitting coaches at the academy, with the junior teams and the senior team. It is an absolute necessity in this day and age.

We discarded Trent Woodhill after the failure of CT13 even though he is a world renowned power hitting coach.

The irony being we had no power hitters in that 2013 CT team anyway.

Unless if you count rubbish Misbah...

 

[Savak]

I’m not sure exactly what a powerhitting coach will do with this rubbish team...

We need to change our strategy - if the target is 148 - we have to chase at 8 RPO right from ball one. It doesn’t help that we have a clown in Fakhar opening for us...

Sharjeel will be a good addition. We have too many consolidators in the ODI and T-20 team. You can't have more than Babar and Haris.

 

[IAJ]

Lack of professionalism will hurt Pakistan. Attidtude problems, no hunger to work hard. Looking for easy ways to earn quick money and fame and try to act like a superstar.

Tell me about one single batsman who look like an athlete in this side? Shadab is the the only player who look like a Professional but he not a front line batsman.

Say whatever you want about Shoaib Malik but even at this age he has better Fitness than these lazy players.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Four sixes in the entire series, as mentioned by the commentators on air.

Just wow )

 

[Savak]

I’m not sure exactly what a powerhitting coach will do with this rubbish team...

We need to change our strategy - if the target is 148 - we have to chase at 8 RPO right from ball one. It doesn’t help that we have a clown in Fakhar opening for us...

Sharjeel will be a good addition. We have too many consolidators in the ODI and T-20 team. You can't have more than Babar and Haris.

 

[unemployedgm]

Hitting 4's and 6's doesn't just come down to having physical strength. There is more to it than that.

That said, we are physically weak as a team. We also lack good strikers of the cricket ball. Mohammad Yousuf and Saeed Anwar weren't powerhouses but they hit the boundary in a myriad of different ways. There is more nuance to this subject than hiring a powerhitting coach.

Our structure also discourages power hitting.

 

[unemployedgm]

Lack of professionalism will hurt Pakistan. Attidtude problems, no hunger to work hard. Looking for easy ways to earn quick money and fame and try to act like a superstar.

Tell me about one single batsman who look like an athlete in this side? Shadab is the the only player who look like a Professional but he not a front line batsman.

Say whatever you want about Shoaib Malik but even at this age he has better Fitness than these lazy players.

Shoaib Malik always looks great when he's out of the team. Don't worry, he will return and against good teams he will fail because he's no longer up for elite competition.

 

[IAJ]

Shoaib Malik always looks great when he's out of the team. Don't worry, he will return and against good teams he will fail because he's no longer up for elite competition.

No, he should not return at all. I was merely talking about the Fitness.

 

[unemployedgm]

I agree with you there. Malik deserves credit for maintaining his fitness.

 

[Hasan123]

Lol power isn’t the issue.

Playing big shots is about timing, wrist movement, placement, balance, etc.

If you think players who can hit 6s at will is due to power, you literally have no clue about batting.

 

[Hyperion66]

Lol power isn’t the issue.

Playing big shots is about timing, wrist movement, placement, balance, etc.

If you think players who can hit 6s at will is due to power, you literally have no clue about batting.

This^^^

 

[Rayyman]

Lol power isn’t the issue.

Playing big shots is about timing, wrist movement, placement, balance, etc.

If you think players who can hit 6s at will is due to power, you literally have no clue about batting.

It is about the size of the person also.

Name one player who is under 5'8/5'9 and is a six hitter.

Pakistan's best power hitter is Imad and even he doesn't hit sixes.

Wahab is the guy who hits sixes at the best rate for our team and he is a bowler.

 

[Plumb]

Lol absolutely!!!!

fast bowling coach
Offspin bowling coach
LEgSpin bowling coach
medium pace bowling coach
opener coach
middleorder coach
slip catching coach
boundary catching coach.. just keep hiring the coaches and give them players like.. UA, Shezzy, Fakhar, Shadab, Wahab ...

 

[Abdullah719]

No use of power-hitting when you can't pick googlies or any type of spin for that matter...

 

[Shazzam]

Whats the point of a head coach and batting couch if you need that?

 

[The streak is Alive]

It is about the size of the person also.

Name one player who is under 5'8/5'9 and is a six hitter.

Pakistan's best power hitter is Imad and even he doesn't hit sixes.

Wahab is the guy who hits sixes at the best rate for our team and he is a bowler.

You'e misinformed. Hafeez who has been the best timer to play for Pak this decade was quite a short guy. There are tons of examplea from the Indian team as well - both tall and short. There is no correlation. You either have the gift of timing or you don't.

 

[Rayyman]

You'e misinformed. Hafeez who has been the best timer to play for Pak this decade was quite a short guy. There are tons of examplea from the Indian team as well - both tall and short. There is no correlation. You either have the gift of timing or you don't.

I'm not talking about timing, but overall hitting ability.

Pakistan's best hitters have been the taller players. Inzi, Akram, Misbah, Afridi, Razzaq are all 5'10+

India's power-hitters are also all over 5'9 (which is above average for India). Dhoni, Sehwag, Pathan, Yuvraj, are all tall as well.

From players around the world: Russell, Gayle, Brathwaite, Maxwell, Stokes, Miller, Buttler, De Villiers, Guptill, Neesham, Imad, Pandya are mostly 6'0+, aside from the Africans who are both 5'10.

Point is, you need big guys to hit the long-ball at the death overs. Smaller guys are their best in the power play when the ball is sliding on (in T20s).

 

[msb314]

It is about the size of the person also.

Name one player who is under 5'8/5'9 and is a six hitter.

Pakistan's best power hitter is Imad and even he doesn't hit sixes.

Wahab is the guy who hits sixes at the best rate for our team and he is a bowler.

Warner, Sachin, Sehwag, Lara, Jayasuriya etc.

 

[Rayyman]

Warner, Sachin, Sehwag, Lara, Jayasuriya etc.

Read above.

I am not talking about top order batsman.

Most of the guys you named are four hitters.

Guys like Sehwag and the Akmal brothers are exceptions because they have built upper-bodies, but are overweight. And they are terrible runners.

 

[Rayyman]

Warner, Sachin, Sehwag, Lara, Jayasuriya etc.

Also, to be clear I am talking about hitting a pacer for a 75+ meter six.

Most international batsman can clear a 60 m boundary or hit a spinner for six.

 

[The streak is Alive]

I'm not talking about timing, but overall hitting ability.

Pakistan's best hitters have been the taller players. Inzi, Akram, Misbah, Afridi, Razzaq are all 5'10+

India's power-hitters are also all over 5'9 (which is above average for India). Dhoni, Sehwag, Pathan, Yuvraj, are all tall as well.

From players around the world: Russell, Gayle, Brathwaite, Maxwell, Stokes, Miller, Buttler, De Villiers, Guptill, Neesham, Imad, Pandya are mostly 6'0+, aside from the Africans who are both 5'10.

Point is, you need big guys to hit the long-ball at the death overs. Smaller guys are their best in the power play when the ball is sliding on (in T20s).

What about Pant, Shaw, Raina, Sachin from yesteryears? Big hitting is also about timing.

Simple question for you...who do you think was stronger at their peak - Rohit or Afridi? Who hits more effortless sixes? I hope you get my point

 

[Danyaalr01]

First they need to learn how to rotate strike, that is more valuable than power hitting. We have seen how India might not be the best in the last 10 overs of ODIs as they don't really have power hitters, but due to strike rotaion they make up for it in the middle overs.

 

[Rayyman]

What about Pant, Shaw, Raina, Sachin from yesteryears? Big hitting is also about timing.

Simple question for you...who do you think was stronger at their peak - Rohit or Afridi? Who hits more effortless sixes? I hope you get my point

C'mon bro accept it. Indian players are not the best six hitters.

Those guys you named play in IPL with small boundaries.

Biggest sixes are hit by Gayle, Guptill, Brathwaite, Yuvraj, Pollard, Pietersen, maybe Finch also.

 

[MMHS]

It is about the size of the person also.

Name one player who is under 5'8/5'9 and is a six hitter.

Pakistan's best power hitter is Imad and even he doesn't hit sixes.

Wahab is the guy who hits sixes at the best rate for our team and he is a bowler.

Our Mushy is 5’2”; around 60kg and he hit half a dozen six in Abu Dhabi on that dead, low track & large boundary.

Body mass & muscle power definitely matters, but it’s useless if the batting technique is flawed - otherwise best prospect for power hitting was Mo Irfan. These days, they play on smaller grounds & use compressed wood heavy bats, hence even top edges from brutal swing of the bat sometimes carry into the crowd, but that’s not power hitting, just cricket on steroid.

Power/six hitting needs proper bat swing, foot work to reach to the pitch of the ball - law of dynamics say highest distance can be reached if the ball is hit at 45 degree angle - that’s on the rise at 45 degree it should hit the perpendicular bat and ball will be released at 45 degree as well means the trajectory of the ball should create a 90 degree angle at the contact point with the bat, shift of body wight and proper balance so that the force of bat swing can be maximised at the point of contact and finally hitting the ball with maximum wrist power which is hand-eye coordination. When all these happens perfectly in coordination - in cricket we say it “timing”. Now, someone 6’3” and 213lbs will definitely hit it harder, higher, longer than a 5’3”, 127lbs batsman, PROVIDED THAT, both has done the hitting basics correctly. That’s why Mo Irfan or Abahy Kuruvilla or Ian Bishop or Joel Garner weren’t the best “power hitter” to be honest. People talk about Viv Richards’ power, but apart from power he had the technique & hand-eye as well!!!

I think this has been discussed many times - PAK won’t solve the “hitting” issue with the unconventional way that PP thinks. Bottom hand butchers won’t last longer than Asif Butler - cricket is a top hand, high elbow, steady head game. Rather it’s possible through old age conventional method of proper batting technique. SRL won 3 games based on 3 innings and all three batsmen are just normal size people.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

TBH power hitting relies on timing as much as it relies on strength. Strength part is easy, most international cricketers are strong enough. Timing requires excellent technique (orthodox or unorthodox).

Pakistani batmen don't have the technique to hit sixes consistently.

 

[Shafi]

It is about the size of the person also.

Name one player who is under 5'8/5'9 and is a six hitter.

Pakistan's best power hitter is Imad and even he doesn't hit sixes.

Wahab is the guy who hits sixes at the best rate for our team and he is a bowler.

How tall is Musfiqur Rahman of Bangladesh? mot even 5' 3". Its the technique

 

[Justcrazy]

Lol absolutely!!!!

fast bowling coach
Offspin bowling coach
LEgSpin bowling coach
medium pace bowling coach
opener coach
middleorder coach
slip catching coach
boundary catching coach.. just keep hiring the coaches and give them players like.. UA, Shezzy, Fakhar, Shadab, Wahab ...

You forgot , one coach to look after all those coaches.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Rohit Sharma hit more sixes on a day 4 test match wicket than entire oakudtani team in 3 T20's. Sums it up really.

 

[Hasan123]

It is about the size of the person also.

Name one player who is under 5'8/5'9 and is a six hitter.

Pakistan's best power hitter is Imad and even he doesn't hit sixes.

Wahab is the guy who hits sixes at the best rate for our team and he is a bowler.

Jos Buttler isnt someone who is big and has big muscles. Same with Maxwell.

They time the ball, pick up the length, and adjust their position correctly.

 

[Rayyman]

Jos Buttler isnt someone who is big and has big muscles. Same with Maxwell.

They time the ball, pick up the length, and adjust their position correctly.

They are both 6'0+

 

[Rayyman]

How tall is Musfiqur Rahman of Bangladesh? mot even 5' 3". Its the technique

He's not a six hitter

 

[topspin]

They are both 6'0+

Both are under 6ft actually. Buttler is 5”10 and Maxwell is 5”11.

 

[Rayyman]

Both are under 6ft actually. Buttler is 5”10 and Maxwell is 5”11.

Well I said above name me a guy under 5'9

 

[Hasan123]

They are both 6'0+

That's not that tall. Also they are not packed with muscle. The reason they can hit 6s is due to hand eye coordination, balance, ability to pick up length, and adjusting their position.

MMHS just explained it to you in more detail.

 

[Hasan123]

Well I said above name me a guy under 5'9

Rohit Sharma and AB De Villiers hit 6s at will and they are under 5'9.

Your just exposing your lack of knowledge. If height is so important, why isnt Craig Braithwaite performing better LOL?

 

[badsha001]

There are 2 ways to hit sixes:

1- Perfect technique + very good timing + medium strength + lighter bat
2- Medium technique + brutal strength + heavier bat

and lots of practice. Unfortunately our players lack in all of them.

 

[topspin]

Jos Buttler isnt someone who is big and has big muscles. Same with Maxwell.

They time the ball, pick up the length, and adjust their position correctly.

Exactly, the key is footwork, weight transfer and keeping your balance.

Look at Mushfiqur Rahim for instance who is 5ft2 but despite being a tiny bloke he never ceases to amaze with his ability to clear the boundary with ease, when he’s in full flow.

Being tall and having big frame (like Inzy) and/or high muscle mass is a bonus and does help because I have seen the likes of Gayle and Inzy produce powerful drives to bisect two fielders who are not too far apart.

Pollard has the best genetics for hitting because he’s 6ft5 and because he’s so hench it feels like he’s just as wide as he’s tall. This guy has hit so many mishits for six.

To summarise the foundation is having a good technique and if you are also big + strong, then that’s a bonus and makes you a complete hitter like Gayle.

 

[topspin]

Rohit Sharma and AB De Villiers hit 6s at will and they are under 5'9.

Your just exposing your lack of knowledge. If height is so important, why isnt Craig Braithwaite performing better LOL?

Or a 6ft3 Sohaib Maqsood for that matter.

Height is of more importance in bowlers than batsmen. It’s astonishing that we have someone who thinks the best hitters are the taller blokes lol.

 

[topspin]

Our Mushy is 5’2”; around 60kg and he hit half a dozen six in Abu Dhabi on that dead, low track & large boundary.

Body mass & muscle power definitely matters, but itÂ’s useless if the batting technique is flawed - otherwise best prospect for power hitting was Mo Irfan. These days, they play on smaller grounds & use compressed wood heavy bats, hence even top edges from brutal swing of the bat sometimes carry into the crowd, but thatÂ’s not power hitting, just cricket on steroid.

Power/six hitting needs proper bat swing, foot work to reach to the pitch of the ball - law of dynamics say highest distance can be reached if the ball is hit at 45 degree angle - that’s on the rise at 45 degree it should hit the perpendicular bat and ball will be released at 45 degree as well means the trajectory of the ball should create a 90 degree angle at the contact point with the bat, shift of body wight and proper balance so that the force of bat swing can be maximised at the point of contact and finally hitting the ball with maximum wrist power which is hand-eye coordination. When all these happens perfectly in coordination - in cricket we say it “timing”. Now, someone 6’3” and 213lbs will definitely hit it harder, higher, longer than a 5’3”, 127lbs batsman, PROVIDED THAT, both has done the hitting basics correctly. That’s why Mo Irfan or Abahy Kuruvilla or Ian Bishop or Joel Garner weren’t the best “power hitter” to be honest. People talk about Viv Richards’ power, but apart from power he had the technique & hand-eye as well!!!

I think this has been discussed many times - PAK won’t solve the “hitting” issue with the unconventional way that PP thinks. Bottom hand butchers won’t last longer than Asif Butler - cricket is a top hand, high elbow, steady head game. Rather it’s possible through old age conventional method of proper batting technique. SRL won 3 games based on 3 innings and all three batsmen are just normal size people.

You beat me to it. I just mentioned his hitting abilities just before I read this.

 

[Rayyman]

Our Mushy is 5’2”; around 60kg and he hit half a dozen six in Abu Dhabi on that dead, low track & large boundary.

Body mass & muscle power definitely matters, but it’s useless if the batting technique is flawed - otherwise best prospect for power hitting was Mo Irfan. These days, they play on smaller grounds & use compressed wood heavy bats, hence even top edges from brutal swing of the bat sometimes carry into the crowd, but that’s not power hitting, just cricket on steroid.

Power/six hitting needs proper bat swing, foot work to reach to the pitch of the ball - law of dynamics say highest distance can be reached if the ball is hit at 45 degree angle - that’s on the rise at 45 degree it should hit the perpendicular bat and ball will be released at 45 degree as well means the trajectory of the ball should create a 90 degree angle at the contact point with the bat, shift of body wight and proper balance so that the force of bat swing can be maximised at the point of contact and finally hitting the ball with maximum wrist power which is hand-eye coordination. When all these happens perfectly in coordination - in cricket we say it “timing”. Now, someone 6’3” and 213lbs will definitely hit it harder, higher, longer than a 5’3”, 127lbs batsman, PROVIDED THAT, both has done the hitting basics correctly. That’s why Mo Irfan or Abahy Kuruvilla or Ian Bishop or Joel Garner weren’t the best “power hitter” to be honest. People talk about Viv Richards’ power, but apart from power he had the technique & hand-eye as well!!!

I think this has been discussed many times - PAK won’t solve the “hitting” issue with the unconventional way that PP thinks. Bottom hand butchers won’t last longer than Asif Butler - cricket is a top hand, high elbow, steady head game. Rather it’s possible through old age conventional method of proper batting technique. SRL won 3 games based on 3 innings and all three batsmen are just normal size people.

I think we both agree Mushfiqur is not a great six hitter. But yeah your point still stands.

One thing the 50 over game is missing today is middle-order batsman.

Batsman who come in at 4/5, rotate the strike and play spinners well. The three best at this are Taylor, Mushfiqur and Mathews. Every other team struggles at this position (not counting England hacks).

Before, there were good openers like Hayden, Jayasuriya, Anwar, Sehwag, Tendulkar, etc.
#3s: Ponting, Kallis, Dravid, Sangakkara

This is similar to today with Root, Smith, etc; but you won't see batsman like Moyo, Mahela, Clarke, ABD, and Dhoni today.

Spin-play is at it's worse today.

An example of a bad over by a spinner 10 years ago:
114-21 (9 runs)

This is what I see today in the middle overs of ODI:
1---6- (7 runs)

Batsman play dots but make up for a poor over with a six.

Power-hitting is getting better but the focus on hitting sixes may be affecting batsmans' ability to play with soft hands and find gaps.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I'm not talking about timing, but overall hitting ability.

Pakistan's best hitters have been the taller players. Inzi, Akram, Misbah, Afridi, Razzaq are all 5'10+

India's power-hitters are also all over 5'9 (which is above average for India). Dhoni, Sehwag, Pathan, Yuvraj, are all tall as well.

From players around the world: Russell, Gayle, Brathwaite, Maxwell, Stokes, Miller, Buttler, De Villiers, Guptill, Neesham, Imad, Pandya are mostly 6'0+, aside from the Africans who are both 5'10.

Point is, you need big guys to hit the long-ball at the death overs. Smaller guys are their best in the power play when the ball is sliding on (in T20s).

I agree to an extent but it's not models to do with height. It's a lot to do with leverages and ability to pull back. Taller guys over 5'9 tend to have normal arms and higher leverage point. Makes it easier to smack the ball away. Short guys unfortunately have to rely on brute strength but their shorter arms would only allow them to sort of scoop the ball from a lower angle.

 

[Rayyman]

That's not that tall. Also they are not packed with muscle. The reason they can hit 6s is due to hand eye coordination, balance, ability to pick up length, and adjusting their position.

MMHS just explained it to you in more detail.

No, he just reiterated my point when he said:

"Now, someone 6’3” and 213lbs will definitely hit it harder, higher, longer than a 5’3”, 127lbs batsman"

Rohit Sharma and AB De Villiers hit 6s at will and they are under 5'9.

Your just exposing your lack of knowledge. If height is so important, why isnt Craig Braithwaite performing better LOL?

?

Sharma is arguably the best timer of the ball in the world. He also has a huge bat and plays on small boundaries.

De Villiers is arguably the most talented batsman of all time

When did I say that skill wasn't required?

Btw if I needed a six off one ball I would pick Brathwaite over both of those guys.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

No, he just reiterated my point when he said:

"Now, someone 6’3” and 213lbs will definitely hit it harder, higher, longer than a 5’3”, 127lbs batsman"



?

Sharma is arguably the best timer of the ball in the world. He also has a huge bat and plays on small boundaries.

De Villiers is arguably the most talented batsman of all time

When did I say that skill wasn't required?

Btw if I needed a six off one ball I would pick Brathwaite over both of those guys.

90% OF posters here will pick abd or rohit over braithwate for that task but yeah i get your point.

Those big hitters who arent big guys are usually very highly talented for ex,butler,rohit,maxwell,bmacullum.
It is very difficult to find outrageous talents like these in pakistan so the only way is to make up for them by using big guys like braithwaite,afridi etc.

 

[Rayyman]

90% OF posters here will pick abd or rohit over braithwate for that task but yeah i get your point.

Those big hitters who arent big guys are usually very highly talented for ex,butler,rohit,maxwell,bmacullum.
It is very difficult to find outrageous talents like these in pakistan so the only way is to make up for them by using big guys like braithwaite,afridi etc.

McCullum is one of my favorite batsman of all time but his amount of sixes are absolutely inflated by playing in NZ's small grounds.

His PSL numbers were horrendous.

 

[Savak]

We seriously need to think about this. Our ODI and T20 batting is way too outdated compared to the rest of the world

 

[MenInG]

Seems PCB working on this.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Seems PCB working on this.

There’s only one man suitable for the power hitting coach job… \0/

 

[shamaan]

There’s only one man suitable for the power hitting coach job… \0/

Maybe Razaq ?

 

[MenInG]

Afridi, while talking to the media in Karachi, said that no one from the cricket board has approached him in this regard.

“Nobody has approached me for the role of power-hitting coach,” said Afridi.

“I will let you know if someone gets in touch with me,” he added.

 

[Rana]

Imagine finding a power hitting coach whilst the plan is to open with Babar and Rizwan, and the two of them should occupy the crease until the 15th over.

 

[Manzy2599]

Why are they wasting time and money on a power hitting coach??? What’s the point of the head and batting coach. The Pakistan players need to fix their technical faults through hard work and determination... the sixes will come after unless they want tullah players like Afridi who whack a few then get out at the wrong time.
Rizwan is a perfect example of hard work and passion. Barely made it to his PSL franchise as a WK but then broke a ton of records through his consistency. He broke the records for most runs and fifties in a calendar year at a decent strike rate and average. He was also part of the t20i 2021 WC team and team of the year where him and Babar got plenty of praise from Indian analysts which says a lot about their performances.

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan need proper batting coaches , no need to go for such gimicks.

 

[Slim]

Afridi, while talking to the media in Karachi, said that no one from the cricket board has approached him in this regard.

“Nobody has approached me for the role of power-hitting coach,” said Afridi.

“I will let you know if someone gets in touch with me,” he added.

Personally don't think Afridi would be a great power hitting coach because he relied on sheer power. His timing was usually off.

Hafeez i feel can be a great power hitting coach, but i think its too soon for him. I feel in Pakistan, Razzaq could be man for the job but internationally someone like ABD.

 

[Markhor]

Yes, and I'm glad they're looking for one. 160-170 UAE-type scores won't cut it in Australia.