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I feel this is the next Kohli vs Babar

Abdullah is 20

Shubman is 21

Both were beasts at regional level, where they not only averaged 50, they averaged 80+ in certain tournaments

Shubman had the longer India u19 career, whereas Abdullah was discarded after a few innings

Who will end up the better player?

And who is the better player now?
 
In 47 games Shubman Gill: 0 hundreds

In 1 game Abdullah Shafique: 1 hundred

In t20 cricket.
 
Abdullah not a 2020 player so is gill..but when u r forced to play ipl or other 2020s then u will get found out n can impact other forms
 
Gill has a lot of domestic and IPL experience which definitely helps with development. The only way Abdullah can somewhat match Gill's development fast is to get a permanent spot in atleast two formats of Pakistan's squad and remain there, then maybe after 2-3 series or an year his development will be pretty decent.

Possibly two of the most elegant young players from both sides with impressive back lift.
 
Gill is not a T20 batsman for sure

He is more of a test cricketer, and he is far ahead of Abdullah Shafique. He can play for any test team right now and be a top opener
 
Given that you haven't mentioned any format, I assume it's Tests and ODIs and maybe 5% T20s.

Shubman Gill is probably the best young talent going around in the world, his technique and defense looks solid as well.
 
Abdullah Shafiq and Saud Shakeel > Prithvi Shaw and Shubman Gill

Shaw in particular is so overrated. Technique is all over the place, both his footwork and flashing hard at everything.

Gill is a class act but I Feel like Abdullah is really solid and can also hit big even though it doesn’t come naturally to him.


Just like Babar trumped Rahul, it’s now Abdullah’s time to do the same :babar
 
Shubman Gill is probably the best young talent going around in the world, his technique and defense looks solid as well.

Definitely one of the best young batting talents. Loved watching him bat even at U19 level as well and since then he has played considerable amount of FC cricket along with good exposure in the other formats.

It was surprising the way Gill was dropped for ODIs after just 2 matches. Kohli, Rohit and Dhawan are 30+ and I think Indian cricket team needs to start developing couple of young batsman on the side.
 
Abdullah Shafiq and Saud Shakeel > Prithvi Shaw and Shubman Gill

Shaw in particular is so overrated. Technique is all over the place, both his footwork and flashing hard at everything.

Gill is a class act but I Feel like Abdullah is really solid and can also hit big even though it doesn’t come naturally to him.


Just like Babar trumped Rahul, it’s now Abdullah’s time to do the same :babar

you guys are going to be surprised. shaw will become a terrific test player and odi as well. he doesnt suit t20.

gill is also a better test/odi player. Lets see though.

shafique is a better t20 talent. Not sure about the longer formats.
 
I feel this is the next Kohli vs Babar

Abdullah is 20

Shubman is 21

Both were beasts at regional level, where they not only averaged 50, they averaged 80+ in certain tournaments

Shubman had the longer India u19 career, whereas Abdullah was discarded after a few innings

Who will end up the better player?

And who is the better player now?

Regional level how many games has Abdullah played?
 
you guys are going to be surprised. shaw will become a terrific test player and odi as well. he doesnt suit t20.

gill is also a better test/odi player. Lets see though.

shafique is a better t20 talent. Not sure about the longer formats.

Anyone who has watched Abdullah face even 2-3 deliveries can tell he is clearly suited to the ODI and Test format, if anyone is gonna be surprised it will be you. :yk
 
shafique is a better t20 talent. Not sure about the longer formats.

He played some decent knocks in T20s but Shafique is also more of longer format player. Its just the demands of modern day cricket that every young batsman has to play T20 cricket as well.
 
you guys are going to be surprised. shaw will become a terrific test player and odi as well. he doesnt suit t20.

gill is also a better test/odi player. Lets see though.

shafique is a better t20 talent. Not sure about the longer formats.

Shafique will be better test player and odis
 
Anyone who has watched Abdullah face even 2-3 deliveries can tell he is clearly suited to the ODI and Test format, if anyone is gonna be surprised it will be you. :yk

sure buddy. we shall see. gill and shaw suck in t20. They cant play power shots like shafique.

You will be surprised when gill and shaw carve top teams in the near future.
 
Shafique will be better test player and odis

i think you will be in for a rude awakening my friend. Abdullah may become a good player but i have no doubt shaw and gill will bounce back in the longer formats. 2023 india will win the WC with shaw and gill smashing every team. mark my words.
 
you guys are going to be surprised. shaw will become a terrific test player and odi as well. he doesnt suit t20.

gill is also a better test/odi player. Lets see though.

shafique is a better t20 talent. Not sure about the longer formats.

Your comment about Abdullah is really surprising, have you watched him bat?
 
sure buddy. we shall see. gill and shaw suck in t20. They cant play power shots like shafique.

You will be surprised when gill and shaw carve top teams in the near future.

I said Gill is a top class player. It’s just how I feel about Shaw. But I agree with you because India don’t let their players go to waste however I still feel Abdullah will be better than both.

Babar Azam at 20 > Gill and Shaw at 20
 
i think you will be in for a rude awakening my friend. Abdullah may become a good player but i have no doubt shaw and gill will bounce back in the longer formats. 2023 india will win the WC with shaw and gill smashing every team. mark my words.

Shaheen to eat them for lunch :shaheen
 
I said Gill is a top class player. It’s just how I feel about Shaw. But I agree with you because India don’t let their players go to waste however I still feel Abdullah will be better than both.

Babar Azam at 20 > Gill and Shaw at 20

but thats babar azam. i already said babar is number 3 in tests. number 5 in odi for now. He may go higher in odi.
 
For Gill to Blossom he needs to be the main bat in the side. He’s not going to develop into that player as long as Kohli, Sharma, Dhawan and maybe a few others are around
 
like he did in the under 19 sure. same will happen in 2023. he will get carted back to islamabad.

Pakistan will thump India in 2023 and lift the trophy at the wankehede as long as there is no politics in that tournament line 2011.

Imam
Abdullah
Babar
Haider
Haris/ Saud
Danish/ Khushdil
Shadab
Zafar Gohar
Shaheen
Rauf
Naseem / Hasnain

Wow wow wow :Ramiz
 
I knew this thread was coming.

Someone might as well make Haider vs Shaw now.

Indian batsmen seem to on a different level and Gill seems to be one of their finest young players in recent times. Let Abdullah play at least a full season of FC before comparing him to a guy who averages 70+ in FC after 21 matches.
 
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Pakistan will thump India in 2023 and lift the trophy at the wankehede as long as there is no politics in that tournament line 2011.

Imam
Abdullah
Babar
Haider
Haris/ Saud
Danish/ Khushdil
Shadab
Zafar Gohar
Shaheen
Rauf
Naseem / Hasnain

Wow wow wow :Ramiz

rofl at this garbage team. india will absolutely annihilate this team or any for the matter in 2023. india will only keep getting better. they have been consistently a top side. It has to pay dividends at some point in the short format. 2023 will be that year. hell it could be next year too.

eww please dont post that lineup. its horrible. :ua

and just lol at no politics involved. if no politics was involved with selections india would have won the 2019 WC too. dhobi ghat and his buddies cost us the title.
 
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rofl at this garbage team. india will absolutely annihilate this team or any for the matter in 2023. india will only keep getting better. they have been consistently a top side. It has to pay dividends at some point in the short format. 2023 will be that year. hell it could be next year too.

eww please dont post that lineup. its horrible. :ua

and just lol at no politics involved. if no politics was involved with selections india would have won the 2019 WC too. dhobi ghat and his buddies cost us the title.

2019 was Kohli and India’s World Cup to win. As Junaids says Rohit, Kohli, Dhawan etc will go into age related decline. Pakistan will be favourites :umarakmal
 
Kohli is no longer the same player and seems depressed on the field as we saw in NZ
 
rofl at this garbage team. india will absolutely annihilate this team or any for the matter in 2023. india will only keep getting better. they have been consistently a top side. It has to pay dividends at some point in the short format. 2023 will be that year. hell it could be next year too.

eww please dont post that lineup. its horrible. :ua

and just lol at no politics involved. if no politics was involved with selections india would have won the 2019 WC too. dhobi ghat and his buddies cost us the title.

Could say the same for Pak if they had played Haris instead of Malik from the start of the tourney. Then India would have met an on a roll Pak in the semiS and we know what happens then. CT17 vibes
 
Could say the same for Pak if they had played Haris instead of Malik from the start of the tourney. Then India would have met an on a roll Pak in the semiS and we know what happens then. CT17 vibes

all banter aside i think its between india or pakistan in 2023. no doubt about it.
next year 2021 i am not sure. i think maybe india, england and perhaps saffers? pakistan havent done well so far in t20 so i am excluding them.
as long as australia never wins a t20 i will be happy. cheating scummy boys dont deserve to win anything.
 
all banter aside i think its between india or pakistan in 2023. no doubt about it.
next year 2021 i am not sure. i think maybe india, england and perhaps saffers? pakistan havent done well so far in t20 so i am excluding them.
as long as australia never wins a t20 i will be happy. cheating scummy boys dont deserve to win anything.

Agree with you. Why not Aus though? I like the new group under Finchy
 
i think you will be in for a rude awakening my friend. Abdullah may become a good player but i have no doubt shaw and gill will bounce back in the longer formats. 2023 india will win the WC with shaw and gill smashing every team. mark my words.

They are good players but Abdullah is also a very very good player you will be surprised how good he will be
 
They are good players but Abdullah is also a very very good player you will be surprised how good he will be

I was just kidding man. Probably. Let him play one full season first though.
I want to see India and Pakistan dominate cricket. India already have dominated in all formats but I want to see these 2 nations be number 1 and 2 in all formats going forward in the future too.

Ofocurse I want India number 1 then Pakistan number 2 lol. But you get what I mean.
 
Agree with you. Why not Aus though? I like the new group under Finchy

Nhaa. Still too scummy. They have the cheats in the team still playing. Always been cheaters. the almighty Lord knows how many times they cheated in the 2000 era.
 
I was just kidding man. Probably. Let him play one full season first though.
I want to see India and Pakistan dominate cricket. India already have dominated in all formats but I want to see these 2 nations be number 1 and 2 in all formats going forward in the future too.

Ofocurse I want India number 1 then Pakistan number 2 lol. But you get what I mean.

I think it's easier to get into Pakistan team than india in batting as india always produce good bateman.

Hahha I think with the system change we may become better but it will take 2-3 years
 
I think it's easier to get into Pakistan team than india in batting as india always produce good bateman.

Hahha I think with the system change we may become better but it will take 2-3 years

Yea probably. Pakistan's issue is over reliance on Babar. Let's see in the future with Haider, Haris and Abdullah.

Bangladesh won the under 19. Maybe they could be threats in 2023. Outside chance. I don't know what to think of them. Have to see those boys play.

From every under 19 competition, we see one or 2 players go on to become superstars later in their careers. Maybe Bangladesh finally becoming contenders ?
 
Yea probably. Pakistan's issue is over reliance on Babar. Let's see in the future with Haider, Haris and Abdullah.

Bangladesh won the under 19. Maybe they could be threats in 2023. Outside chance. I don't know what to think of them. Have to see those boys play.

From every under 19 competition, we see one or 2 players go on to become superstars later in their careers. Maybe Bangladesh finally becoming contenders ?

Yes hence why babar stats proberly wont be as good as kohli due to being on the crease really early were kohli.comes in when they have platform.

No I dont think they will be contenders india pakistan england
 
How is this even a comparison.
One of them was the MOTT of under 19 world cup, emerging player of ipl last year and obviously kohli's successor.
 
How is this even a comparison.
One of them was the MOTT of under 19 world cup, emerging player of ipl last year and obviously kohli's successor.

Tbf Gill hasn't exactly set the world on fire in T20. He is a test talent. Probably better in odi's too but it's hard to get into the team.
 
How is this even a comparison.
One of them was the MOTT of under 19 world cup, emerging player of ipl last year and obviously kohli's successor.

Same way you lot compare some unknown lalloo Lokesh Wokesh with Babar Azam ranked top 5 in all three formats :))
 
Let's stop comparing Indian and Pakistan batters , it usually doesn't end well for us.
 
Let's stop comparing Indian and Pakistan batters , it usually doesn't end well for us.

The only time it hasn’t worked well g
For us was when the batsman themselves had attitude problems. Like Babar, Abdullah and Haider seem to be level headed.
 
The only time it hasn’t worked well g
For us was when the batsman themselves had attitude problems. Like Babar, Abdullah and Haider seem to be level headed.

The reasons and excuses don't matter. We have to remember India know how to develop batsmen. They have access to better coaching as well. So I don't like comparing our batters to Indian ones.
 
We know Gill will be an excellent Test and ODI player and a good T20 player. If AS can match him then we are going to be very competitive in the coming years. The PK batting culture has been so poor that we have produced one good player in 20 years in Babar, let's hope Babars influence helps us to produce more. On the other hand, India has such a strong batting culture that solid talent strives to become good or great.
 
The only time it hasn’t worked well g
For us was when the batsman themselves had attitude problems. Like Babar, Abdullah and Haider seem to be level headed.

As we saw with the likes of Shadab and Hasan Ali, the real person comes out when they have a couple of years and some money in their pocket.
 
Tbf to op. Shafiq will have achieved way more at international level before Gill gets his full run in the indian side
 
Gill is pretty much the best batting prospect in the world.

The guy is a monster in FC cricket and would walk into most international Test teams. Shafique has a lot of work to do until he gets to that stage in his development.
 
Oh dear! Don't know about Jaiswal Vs Haider but ......

This ain't gonna end well. :msd
 
India knows how to nurture batsmen. Kohli mentioned a lot of times how Sachin, Sehwag etc helped him immensely at the beginning. I have a feeling that Shubman will be an India regular soon. He will probably bat lower down the order at 5 or 6. Top 3 will play the next world cup. 4/5/6 will be Rahul, Iyer, Shubman
 
India knows how to nurture batsmen. Kohli mentioned a lot of times how Sachin, Sehwag etc helped him immensely at the beginning. I have a feeling that Shubman will be an India regular soon. He will probably bat lower down the order at 5 or 6. Top 3 will play the next world cup. 4/5/6 will be Rahul, Iyer, Shubman
The way he was discarded in New Zealand, is evidence to the contrary.

As a poster above mentioned, there is a possibility that Shafique will have had 50 international games by the time Gill establishes himself in the Indian side.

IMO Gill is ahead by some level, although neither will be T20 cricketers.
 
One advantage Shafique definitely has is the lack of competition for places.

Indian cricket is jam-packed with decent batsmen while Pakistan is desperate for good batsmen.
 
Premature thread, to be honest, speaking as a Shafique fan. He just hasn’t played enough, it’s unfair to hype him up like this.

Let’s say he gets nervous against Zimbabwe and is out for 10, many of you will begin writing him off.

He is an astounding talent but needs to be backed and developed. Should get a consistent run for 5-10 games, and that too in ODIs as well since he is not a T20 slogger. And T20 is not the format to develop a debutant.
 
The way he was discarded in New Zealand, is evidence to the contrary.

As a poster above mentioned, there is a possibility that Shafique will have had 50 international games by the time Gill establishes himself in the Indian side.

IMO Gill is ahead by some level, although neither will be T20 cricketers.

There wasn't a spot after the NZ tour. Gill has been a prolific scorer in India A for more than a year and will get into India team soon. With Rahul keeping the wickets and assuming Pandya can bowl, there are two open batting spots. I think they will go to Iyer and Mayank/Gill. They will definitely groom Gill for the next 50 over WC
 
There wasn't a spot after the NZ tour. Gill has been a prolific scorer in India A for more than a year and will get into India team soon. With Rahul keeping the wickets and assuming Pandya can bowl, there are two open batting spots. I think they will go to Iyer and Mayank/Gill. They will definitely groom Gill for the next 50 over WC

It seems Dhawan will continue for some more time, surely in ODIs. But after Dhawan, Gill can continue but he should play in LOIs at top order only.
 
It seems Dhawan will continue for some more time, surely in ODIs. But after Dhawan, Gill can continue but he should play in LOIs at top order only.

They will prefer Mayank over Gill if not Rahul incase Dhawan is out. Top 3 spots are taken. Maybe no.4 for Gill
 
Hold on to your horses Pakistani boys. We know you got the talent but consistency is the key. Gill has proven again and again that he is consistent. So lets not jump the gun.......again.
 
Premature thread, to be honest, speaking as a Shafique fan. He just hasn’t played enough, it’s unfair to hype him up like this.

Let’s say he gets nervous against Zimbabwe and is out for 10, many of you will begin writing him off.

He is an astounding talent but needs to be backed and developed. Should get a consistent run for 5-10 games, and that too in ODIs as well since he is not a T20 slogger. And T20 is not the format to develop a debutant.

This is so true. That happened with Babar in tests. Now Naseem too, based on one test in England, he is suddenly mediocre. Again good news that Waqar, who should know better, has identified that he is good and is sticking with him. We will see the results in a couple of years time.

Mickey Arthur happened to Pakistan cricket at the right time. Without him I am almost certain Babar won't be the player he is today.

Abdullah needs a long extended run in both ODIs and tests. I'll give him the Babar treatment, especially if he shows similar ability at the international level as he is doing in domestics. Give him a really long rope even if he fails to set the world alight from get go.

Tests I think 3 suits him the best, but he can start lower down the order and then move up in a couple of years like with Babar before him. Haris at three for now and get Abdullah at 5 maybe? Provided good A tours and QeA trophy.

In ODIs with Babar at three, 4 will be too low. He likes to open so that's a perfect slot for him especially with Fakhar getting worse everyday.

I really like his approach to batting and I think we have something special with him. Seems hardworking and takes his fitness seriously, so great signs there as well.
 
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This is so true. That happened with Babar in tests. Now Naseem too, based on one test in England, he is suddenly mediocre. Again good news that Waqar, who should know better, has identified that he is good and is sticking with him. We will see the results in a couple of years time.

Mickey Arthur happened to Pakistan cricket at the right time. Without him I am almost certain Babar won't be the player he is today.

Abdullah needs a long extended run in both ODIs and tests. I'll give him the Babar treatment, especially if he shows similar ability at the international level as he is doing in domestics. Give him a really long rope even if he fails to set the world alight from get go.

Tests I think 3 suits him the best, but he can start lower down the order and then move up in a couple of years like with Babar before him. Haris at three for now and get Abdullah at 5 maybe? Provided good A tours and QeA trophy.

In ODIs with Babar at three, 4 will be too low. He likes to open so that's a perfect slot for him especially with Fakhar getting worse everyday.

I really like his approach to batting and I think we have something special with him. Seems hardworking and takes his fitness seriously, so great signs there as well.

I’m very scared for him. Very, very scared. Misbah selects young players then throws them out like used tissues. Sink or swim.
 
Premature thread, to be honest, speaking as a Shafique fan. He just hasn’t played enough, it’s unfair to hype him up like this.

Let’s say he gets nervous against Zimbabwe and is out for 10, many of you will begin writing him off.

He is an astounding talent but needs to be backed and developed. Should get a consistent run for 5-10 games, and that too in ODIs as well since he is not a T20 slogger. And T20 is not the format to develop a debutant.

I’m very scared for him. Very, very scared. Misbah selects young players then throws them out like used tissues. Sink or swim.

Here’s what I said 2 and a half months ago.
 
Don't worry bro - iA Misbah himself will be thrown out like a used tissue very soon, and Abdullah's career will be back on track. :misbah

Still, he got nervous and failed in 2 T20 games against New Zealand, when it was never his format, and now he’s being written off by fans. Mind you I said this before even the Zimbabwe matches.

I don’t think Abdullah will find a run in any of our formats going forward. He should have played first class this year, but better late than never. Hopefully he plays lots of domestic games this year and refines his game.
 
Very harsh comparison on Shafique. Look at Gil FC record and he is coming from a country who know how to develop elite batsmen.
 
I watched Gill for the first time in the last test match and now this one. I must say he is very very impressive. His balance, his poise, his match awareness is great.

Abdullah really needs some confidence under his belt, he was very nervous on this very tough tour. Management, as always, threw him into the wrong format.... Hopefully we can see a consistent run given to both batsmen in their respective teams.

Someone mentioned Gill is only a test player, he looks like he can fit into the odi team too, guy has all the shots.
 
Still, he got nervous and failed in 2 T20 games against New Zealand, when it was never his format, and now he’s being written off by fans. Mind you I said this before even the Zimbabwe matches.

I don’t think Abdullah will find a run in any of our formats going forward. He should have played first class this year, but better late than never. Hopefully he plays lots of domestic games this year and refines his game.

The issue is that the guy has been hyped to the moon bro. Too much expectation from him but who is to blame here?
 
The issue is that the guy has been hyped to the moon bro. Too much expectation from him but who is to blame here?

The fans for the expectations and hype. And Misbah for selecting him for the wrong format, making him miss important developmental first class cricket, then dropping him.
 
Subhman Gill needs to convert these starts into bigger scores. He always gets out in that 40-60 range. This is the difference with these young players to where Virat Kohli was during his early days. A 2011 Kohli would never gotten out like Gill today and perhaps went onto score a century. Skill wise Gill is right up there but temperament needs to improve if he wants to be a great batsman.
 
Gill is one of the top talents in the world. He is going to become a very good test player and probably ODI player as well.
Why are we even hyping a player who has played just 1 FC match? Abdullah may become a good test and odi player too but he should be toiling in domestic cricket right now while Gill has been putting in hard yards in FC for a year or two now.
 
Shubman Gill's stroke play reminds me a little of Mohammad Yousuf

Yousuf is one of my all time favorites because of how artistic he made batting look.

Coming to Gill, he is one the very few younger guys I really liked watching bat at junior level and what other I have seen of him as I mentioned in some other threads too. Oozes class this young lad though will have to see more at international level.
 
Haven't seen Shafique.Is he mature/level headed?that matters more than talent in Pakistan
 
No comparison at the moment. Gill already seems to be solidifying his spot in the Indian lineup. Abdullah is undercooked and should've played this season and the next one before being introduced directly to our test team. Misbah the genius thought he was a T20 player. What a buffoon.

Besides, Gill seems to have more natural ability than Abdullah, who at the moment seems limited. The amount of time Gill has and the ease and flair with which he plays pace is unparalleled among young and upcoming batsmen. In terms of natural ability, Gill should be compared with Haider, who unfortunately is unlikely to develop as well as Gill because he plays for Pakistan and here we're hell-bent on destroying our very scant young talent.
 
Haven't seen Shafique.Is he mature/level headed?that matters more than talent in Pakistan

Shafique is far below in terms of maturity, level headedness and development in comparison to Gill as of now.

That being said, yes he can play some classy strokes and you can easily find some of his innings on youtube. I hope he can develop as considering his overall backlift and stroke making he would be a good watch too at international level.

At the moment there is no comparison and even at U19 level Gill was much more mature and developed while Abdullah left a lot to be desired at that stage. At the end it will come down to the overall hardwork, will and determination, Shafique will need a lot of that as currently he quite a distance behind Gill in terms of development.
 
I have not seen Abdullah, but saw some of Gill. Gill looks like a great prospect for India. He keeps it simple. He has an all-around game to play in the front or in the back. Plays balls on merit. I have not seen many younger players looking so good against a quality attack.
 
This will rub some people here the wrong way, but you said something I was hesitant to say. Gill is REALLY good!

Potential wise Gill is Tendulkar/Kohli level, I won’t Babar in that class.
 
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