Shubman Gill versus Abdullah Shafique

[90MPH]

You are right that Shafique is way ahead of Gill and Shaw both at current time.

However, ability and technique wise, the order is Gill > Shafique > Shaw

Even Shafique has a better technique, Gill looks far too suspect outside off stump.

Yeah Gill may have more shots in his armoury but counts for nothing if you get out cheaply.

 

[pillionrider]

Kindly do not derail this thread with your useless trolling. Thanks.

Oh I find it very useful actually. I counted 3 or 4 proper chances. And I didn't watch every ball.

Since you're good with these kind of stats, was wondering if you'd kept count. No need to get riled up

 

[Ab Fan]

Even Shafique has a better technique, Gill looks far too suspect outside off stump.

Yeah Gill may have more shots in his armoury but counts for nothing if you get out cheaply.

These are early days so this is not much a problem. It is a part of learning, once this is sorted, Gill has ability to average much higher as he has pretty solid technique vs spin, pace and bounce.

Shaw has the worst technique of the three and worst fitness as well. Gill has higher ceiling than Shafique as well due to ability and better technique vs pace and bounce.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Technique ✓
Temperament ✓
Hunger for runs ✓
Pressure player ✓
Courage ??? (Can come with time , you can't expect him to dominate Test cricket bowlers without even playing FC)

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Btw I somewhat agree with Shariq , I do think he needs a psychologist early in his career, seems to be always in fear at the start of his innings and lacking confidence in general even when he is doing well, I think if he gets a poor run out of form ,It will be the end of him , remember Umar Amin?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What a performance.

 

[Hextro]

What happened? Did Shafique hit a century in 4th inning in match winning cause?

Yes, he did exactly that.

 

[Rana]

Gill is a bigger talent than Babar, let alone Shafique.

I love bumping this guy’s posts in moments like these )

 

[Usman Chadda]

What happened? Did Shafique hit a century in 4th inning in match winning cause?

Come back and talk when Gill does score a Test century, forget about a match-winning one

 

[Rellu_Katta]

I love bumping this guy’s posts in moments like these )

this "pile of inferiority complex slave mentality syndrome" guy shld be ignored anyways.. he is seriously angry on his parents why didnt they move to india lol

 

[Rana]

Gill’s 91 on day 5 to help India chase down 329 at the Gabba will probably tower over anything that Shafique’s achieves in his career.

One can only laugh at the delusional assessment that Shafique is ahead of Gill and has had a better star to his career.

Shafique won’t even make India’s bench at this point. Even Imran Butt would have scored a hundred on this pitch.

Legendary poster

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What happened? Did Shafique hit a century in 4th inning in match winning cause?

This didn't age well.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Come back and talk when Gill does score a Test century, forget about a match-winning one

Gill didn't score a century but he scored 91 in the Gabba test. He was the hero of that chase but Pant got the limelight. Gill has an average record in tests at the moment though.

 

[Rana]

This didn't age well.

This is what happens when IPL experts try to become real cricket experts

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This is what happens when IPL experts try to become real cricket experts

He got an egg or humble pie on his face pretty quickly. On some cases it can take upto 25 matches.

 

[Villager6964]

That shubman gill guy can't even score on Indian pitches.He doesn't have good technique.He averages like 26 in India.

Abdullah shafique has already played an ATG knock i don't think shubman gill guy can play knock like that

Abdullah shafique is gonna go far in his career.
He looks humble and very down to earth and seems very hardworking.

 

[Savak]

When Mamoon ruthlessly hates a player ie "his technique is more for show than dough" , you know that the player is going to be a special player for Pakistan.

 

[Ahmed216]

Oh I find it very useful actually. I counted 3 or 4 proper chances. And I didn't watch every ball.

Since you're good with these kind of stats, was wondering if you'd kept count. No need to get riled up

3 or 4 proper chances. No bhai i can't remember any except for 1 marginal umpiring decision and a dropped catch when he had already gone past 150 and played 400 balls

 

[QalandarFan]

Why is this a thread? In 11 matches Shubman Gill averages 30 and has only scored 579 runs. Abdullah has now scored 720 runs in just 6 matches while averaging 80 and playing one of the best 4th innings knock of all time in just his 9th First Class match.

This feels like the Umar Akmal vs Virat Kohli thread lmao, but at least Umar started his career off in blazing fashion what has Gill done?

 

[Rana]

Why is this a thread? In 11 matches Shubman Gill averages 30 and has only scored 579 runs. Abdullah has now scored 720 runs in just 6 matches while averaging 80 and playing one of the best 4th innings knock of all time in just his 9th First Class match.

This feels like the Umar Akmal vs Virat Kohli thread lmao, but at least Umar started his career off in blazing fashion what has Gill done?

Gill is already better than all batsman in Asia besides the Indian ones according to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

 

[QalandarFan]

Gill is already better than all batsman in Asia besides the Indian ones according to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Not surprised lmao I don't even pay heed to what he says anymore he obviously just says things to illicit a response out of people lmao he prolly doesn't even believe most of what he says himself.

 

[topspin]

We we ignore the entire career?

21 innings. 4 fifties. 0 centuries.

Speaks for itself. And at home he averages 26.

I don’t have a problem saying long term Gill will be better based on technique but a couple of fifties in Australia don’t say that much when he has 21 other innings of mediocrity including plenty at home.

If Abdullah takes Pakistan home - it will be a huge accomplishment.

Abdullah has done well in this test. There's no doubt about that and I'm happy for him. I just hope over time he develops more shots and plays more positive in future he'll be found out against better opposition/tougher batting conditions.

Shubman Gill may have a medicore average after 11 tests but his ceiling is a lot higher at present. Having said that a lot can change from now.

 

[Xoib]

People slagging Abdullah for his lack of stroke play are in for a rude awakening let him become more confident then he will flow more trust me have seen him play in local games and has the stroke play to match Babar.

 

[Mobashir]

Abdullah has done well in this test. There's no doubt about that and I'm happy for him. I just hope over time he develops more shots and plays more positive in future he'll be found out against better opposition/tougher batting conditions.

Shubman Gill may have a medicore average after 11 tests but his ceiling is a lot higher at present. Having said that a lot can change from now.

I am not saying Gill is bad, but just curious what makes you think his ceiling his higher?
On what do you base this?

 

[umarf76]

People slagging Abdullah for his lack of stroke play are in for a rude awakening let him become more confident then he will flow more trust me have seen him play in local games and has the stroke play to match Babar.

He actually has a better power game compared to Babar.

 

[Mesozoic]

This was always a puzzling comparison for me. Except their playing positions and age, there is nothing common between the two players.

Gill is more of a white ball player than red ball , who is being kept away due to the old men in the top3 who refuse to leave and let a young player take their spots. He isn't even India's first choice opener right now in Tests. I think he'll be a regular for India in both white ball formats post 2023 world Cup, as all the dinosaurs will be extinct by then. In tests, his best bet is to take that no.4 spot.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

ATG knock by the youngster.

I still believe though that Gill will achieve more.

 

[topspin]

I am not saying Gill is bad, but just curious what makes you think his ceiling his higher?
On what do you base this?

1. Shot range
2. Positive intent

With 1 + 2, he therefore has much higher strike rate.

3. Overall batting technique (attack, defence and strike rotation)
4. He's proven himself against the best pace attack in away conditions to help his team chase 300+.

Abdullah Shafique has yet to prove himself against decent bowlers and in tough conditions. I don't count the Australia series because those were the flattest wickets in living memory. Even a club cricketer could have averaged 50+ in that series. The bowling conditions were totally unforgivable.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

This was always a puzzling comparison for me. Except their playing positions and age, there is nothing common between the two players.

Gill is more of a white ball player than red ball , who is being kept away due to the old men in the top3 who refuse to leave and let a young player take their spots. He isn't even India's first choice opener right now in Tests. I think he'll be a regular for India in both white ball formats post 2023 world Cup, as all the dinosaurs will be extinct by then. In tests, his best bet is to take that no.4 spot.

Gill will be a fine red ball player too.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I am not saying Gill is bad, but just curious what makes you think his ceiling his higher?
On what do you base this?

Maybe bcoz Gill was man of the tournament of u19 world cup and has shown flashes of brilliance in test cricket.

As of now there's no clear indicator, but you can't question someone who thinks Gill has more potential, same goes with Abdullah.

 

[Mesozoic]

Also...Indian young batters generally don't have the habit of starting with an absolute bang. Their progress is generally gradual but once they hit their peaks, they last there much longer than their contemporaries.

I expect the same with Gill. Just need to be patient with him like we were with Kohli, Rohit or even Pant when they were new.

 

[Xoib]

He actually has a better power game compared to Babar.

Yes his short range is incredible all the trolls will go in hiding when he opens his range in international cricket he has as many scoring shots as Babar.

 

[Mesozoic]

Gill will be a fine red ball player too.

Nothing wrong in admitting that he has been quite poor in red ball cricket for a while now. Failed even in the Ranji trophy recently. But it's tough to judge as he has not played two test series in a row even once in his career.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Why is this a thread? In 11 matches Shubman Gill averages 30 and has only scored 579 runs. Abdullah has now scored 720 runs in just 6 matches while averaging 80 and playing one of the best 4th innings knock of all time in just his 9th First Class match.

This feels like the Umar Akmal vs Virat Kohli thread lmao, but at least Umar started his career off in blazing fashion what has Gill done?

Umar Akmal vs Virat Kohli thread was one sided. This thread will be more like KL Rahul vs Babar Azam thread.

 

[pillionrider]

3 or 4 proper chances. No bhai i can't remember any except for 1 marginal umpiring decision and a dropped catch when he had already gone past 150 and played 400 balls

I don't want to reduce Shafique's effort because chances are not the batsman's problem, but the opposition's. He played very well and it was a knock deserving of all the respect he has earned.

But there were chances for the Sri Lankans which they didn't take.
Before tea yesterday, the keeper dropped one that came off his bat handle.
Caught and bowled off the bowler.
Fielder drop towards the end.
There was also a runout opportunity where he was short but the ball missed the stumps. And if you want to include it, you could also include an umpire's call LBW when he was in single figures.

My post was more directed at one particular poster from Delhi who seems very excited today, but keeps track of all the opportunities Indian batsmen get during great knocks.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I don't want to reduce Shafique's effort because chances are not the batsman's problem, but the opposition's. He played very well and it was a knock deserving of all the respect he has earned.

But there were chances for the Sri Lankans which they didn't take.
Before tea yesterday, the keeper dropped one that came off his bat handle.
Caught and bowled off the bowler.
Fielder drop towards the end.
There was also a runout opportunity where he was short but the ball missed the stumps. And if you want to include it, you could also include an umpire's call LBW when he was in single figures.

My post was more directed at one particular poster from Delhi who seems very excited today, but keeps track of all the opportunities Indian batsmen get during great knocks.

Good to see and know that you(Mr. I am my own boss) have to do so much hardwork in order to get my attention.

Coming back to topic. What a great knock by Shafique. I think some of my fellow indian fans are more hurt than the lankan fans here.

 

[Rajdeep]

Good to see and know that you(Mr. I am my own boss) have to do so much hardwork in order to get my attention.

Coming back to topic. What a great knock by Shafique. I think some of my fellow indian fans are more hurt than the lankan fans here.

No one is 'hurt' bcoz Pakistan won a test match against SL, a team whom India beat even half asleep. But India and Pakistan are rivals in cricket and both sets of fans don't get happy (unless they try to act diplomatic) when the other team wins irrespective of any opposition.

This is the beauty of Ind-Pak rivalry where fans from both sides take pleasure in others defeat against a 3rd team considering one to one matches are rare these days.

**A small caveat - the above holds true only for actual Indian and Pakistani fans...not the pretenders.

 

[Titan24]

No one is 'hurt' bcoz Pakistan won a test match against SL, a team whom India beat even half asleep. But India and Pakistan are rivals in cricket and both sets of fans don't get happy (unless they try to act diplomatic) when the other team wins irrespective of any opposition.

India has been pretty solid in recent times but, Srl vs Ind in Srl is standing at 3-3 in terms of series. Srl was dominating at home vs Ind until 2015-16.

On a side note Pak vs Srl in Srl in terms of series is currently 4-3 in favor of Pak currently. Srl did pretty well from 2009 to 2014.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No one is 'hurt' bcoz Pakistan won a test match against SL, a team whom India beat even half asleep. But India and Pakistan are rivals in cricket and both sets of fans don't get happy (unless they try to act diplomatic) when the other team wins irrespective of any opposition.

This is the beauty of Ind-Pak rivalry where fans from both sides take pleasure in others defeat against a 3rd team considering one to one matches are rare these days.

**A small caveat - the above holds true only for actual Indian and Pakistani fans...not the pretenders.

Thanks for accepting that you being a NRI definitely don't fall into this category.

You are obviously hurt.

 

[pillionrider]

Good to see and know that you(Mr. I am my own boss) have to do so much hardwork in order to get my attention.

Oh you're quite easy. Congrats on Pakistan winning today

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Oh you're quite easy. Congrats on Pakistan winning today

Time to stop trolling here, pillo.

 

[JaDed]

It’s defn Shafique for now!

 

[gani999]

Gill hasn't impressed. Other than the 91 in Gabba, a 50 in Sydney and a couple of odd 50s in India, he hasn't scored all that much in the 22 test innings he has played.

Shafique has been scoring much more consistently, albeit mostly on home ground.

I'll put Shafique ahead of Gill for now.

 

[JaDed]

Gill hasn't impressed. Other than the 91 in Gabba, a 50 in Sydney and a couple of odd 50s in India, he hasn't scored all that much in the 22 test innings he has played.

Shafique has been scoring much more consistently, albeit mostly on home ground.

I'll put Shafique ahead of Gill for now.

His current inning came in Lanka.. not exactly home unless you meant Asia, Lankans are strong at home.

 

[Moeey]

Also...Indian young batters generally don't have the habit of starting with an absolute bang. Their progress is generally gradual but once they hit their peaks, they last there much longer than their contemporaries.

I expect the same with Gill. Just need to be patient with him like we were with Kohli, Rohit or even Pant when they were new.

I expect Gill to fail massively. Very overrated player. He Is like a slightly better version of Crawley.

Shafique is one of the best talents in the world. Shafique is a more complete player than even pant who doesn't have as tight a technique.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I expect Gill to fail massively. Very overrated player. He Is like a slightly better version of Crawley.

Shafique is one of the best talents in the world. Shafique is a more complete player than even pant who doesn't have as tight a technique.

You are now going overboard and overhyping Abdullah. Let him perform consistently for at least 3-4 years.

 

[Moeey]

You are now going overboard and overhyping Abdullah. Let him perform consistently for at least 3-4 years.

What has Gill done outside the very good gabba performance? Nothing right?
In India he averages 29.

That's poor.

Abdullah shafique based on his technique to me looks superior in every aspect od the game.

 

[ChTab]

This innings has proved that atm Abdullah is faar better player than Gill maybe Gill will be more prolific in future once he starts playing in middle order but as of now Abdullah is better.

Hopefully Pakistan can induct Abdullah into the ODI setup ASAP as well.

 

[Marooned]

You are now going overboard and overhyping Abdullah. Let him perform consistently for at least 3-4 years.

Lol. Spot on. That's trying too hard.

 

[as-95]

Gill averages 30 in tests and 16 in ODI's. He is simply not very good. He will end up as another Vijay Zol/Umnukt Chand. Overhyped but will underperform. This thread should be changed to Shubnam Gill vs Umar Akmal.

 

[Xoib]

Gill is not an opener the sooner india realise this the better for him and India .

And Shaw is simply not test standard.

 

[Ab Fan]

Excellent knock vs Sri Lanka.

However, it is also a fact that performance in SENA matters more for Asian batters than performance in Sri Lanka or West Indies. Rishabh Pant is considered as the next Gilchrist because he has 4 test hundreds in SENA and a couple of iconic 90s as well at age of 24.

Gill and Sundar are rated highly because they showed their glimpse by playing impact knocks in Australia. Obviously, they will have to do more but they are still very young and their careers have started so better to wait.

Shaw is no longer rated highly because he has not shown any glimpse of doing well in SENA. He has developed weakness vs bounce and the moving ball. The moving ball is weakness for most of the Indian batters but it is more prominent vs left arm seamers. However, in Shaw case, it is apparent vs anyone including an unprepared Starc version too who was taken to cleaners by Gill in the same series.

Coming to Abdullah Shafique, this is an excellent knock in 4th inning and obviously deserves appreciation as he turned the game on its head by a brilliant inning but ultimately it is vs Sri Lanka. He will need to show glimpses of his talent in SENA to prove his contention for the best young batter in coming future. The reason I say so is because even Shreyas Iyer scored a brilliant 92 in Pink ball test vs Sri Lanka on a rank turner. But then looked all in sea in England and didn't even looked test class. So, there is a need to be a bit patient to him and not set very high expectations untill he shows the glimpses of his talent in alien conditions.

 

[Technics 1210]

The damage control is out in full flow.

Gill was predicted to be the next Sehwag. Shaw the next Tendulkar. )

Well done Abdullah Shafique - you have proven you have more talent, temperament, and future than Gill and Shaw combined. PP’s mystic megs go into hiding, and a receive a hiding.

)

 

[shamaan]

I am so desperate for him to become a World class batsman but only time will tell.

He will play for Pakistan for a long time in tests.

 

[shamaan]

These are early days so this is not much a problem. It is a part of learning, once this is sorted, Gill has ability to average much higher as he has pretty solid technique vs spin, pace and bounce.

Shaw has the worst technique of the three and worst fitness as well. Gill has higher ceiling than Shafique as well due to ability and better technique vs pace and bounce.

Have you seen Shafique technique against pace and bounce if you have please post the vidoes.

 

[Mobashir]

Excellent knock vs Sri Lanka.

However, it is also a fact that performance in SENA matters more for Asian batters than performance in Sri Lanka or West Indies. Rishabh Pant is considered as the next Gilchrist because he has 4 test hundreds in SENA and a couple of iconic 90s as well at age of 24.

Gill and Sundar are rated highly because they showed their glimpse by playing impact knocks in Australia. Obviously, they will have to do more but they are still very young and their careers have started so better to wait.

Shaw is no longer rated highly because he has not shown any glimpse of doing well in SENA. He has developed weakness vs bounce and the moving ball. The moving ball is weakness for most of the Indian batters but it is more prominent vs left arm seamers. However, in Shaw case, it is apparent vs anyone including an unprepared Starc version too who was taken to cleaners by Gill in the same series.

Coming to Abdullah Shafique, this is an excellent knock in 4th inning and obviously deserves appreciation as he turned the game on its head by a brilliant inning but ultimately it is vs Sri Lanka. He will need to show glimpses of his talent in SENA to prove his contention for the best young batter in coming future. The reason I say so is because even Shreyas Iyer scored a brilliant 92 in Pink ball test vs Sri Lanka on a rank turner. But then looked all in sea in England and didn't even looked test class. So, there is a need to be a bit patient to him and not set very high expectations untill he shows the glimpses of his talent in alien conditions.

There was no need to ad "excellent knock vs Sri Lanka".
You could have gone straight to your usual blablabla Pant Gill Sundar, not so much Shaw.

What a poster you have become, writing the same thing in every thread. I don't know if you even believe what you wrote, especially regarding Sundar.
Sundar isn't rated highly, he is a complete nobody for the moment.

 

[Xoib]

A 4th innings 100 on a sub cont turner is as big a achievement for any batsman then a random SENA factor

Read Usman Saimuddin article to actually understand what Abdullah has really done.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Gill is a hack, he's another KL Rahul in the making. Except even worse.

As for Shafique, early days for him but he has been very promising so far. Let's see how he performs outside Asia

 

[Mobashir]

A 4th innings 100 on a sub cont turner is as big a achievement for any batsman then a random SENA factor

Read Usman Saimuddin article to actually understand what Abdullah has really done.

Some guys have completely lost it with their SENA and don't know what else.

 

[Varun]

Shafique has left Gill in the dust.

We'll see where they end up in the next few years though.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Some guys have completely lost it with their SENA and don't know what else.

Funny enough, SENA fans and players don't give a **** about subcontinent stats. Most English and Aussie fans don't follow any overseas match unless it's the Ashes or world cup, let alone care if X player did well there.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Some guys have completely lost it with their SENA and don't know what else.

Funny enough, SENA fans and players don't give a **** about subcontinent stats. Most English and Aussie fans don't follow any overseas match unless it's the Ashes or world cup, let alone care if X player did well there.

Totally agree, only us Asians care about this SENA and all, Sri Lanka just played a draw series with the number one test team they are good enough.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Sundar isn't rated highly, he is a complete nobody for the moment.

Sundar is a good player, he has already played two high impact knocks, one at gabba, other in India vs England on a turner.

Abdullah, Sundar, Gill are all nobodies.

 

[Ab Fan]

The SENA nonsense was started by Pakistani posters mostly few years ago( in 2018) when they were talking about India'a win loss record when we were winning like 95% of home matches and also beating the likes of Sri Lanka and West Indies comfortably but not winning series( although still won matches )in SENA.

No surprises now that we have folks over here harping back to performances vs Sri Lanka and how we are giving ***** about SENA performance lol.

 

[pillionrider]

The SENA nonsense was started by Pakistani posters mostly few years ago( in 2018) when they were talking about India'a win loss record when we were winning like 95% of home matches and also beating the likes of Sri Lanka and West Indies comfortably but not winning series( although still won matches )in SENA.

No surprises now that we have folks over here harping back to performances vs Sri Lanka and how we are giving ***** about SENA performance lol.

Let him go back to beating up Sri Lanka used to be the common go-to line to describe Kohli or any other Indian great.

Now Sri Lanka is a world champion side, especially after their team was overhauled

 

[Mobashir]

The SENA nonsense was started by Pakistani posters mostly few years ago( in 2018) when they were talking about India'a win loss record when we were winning like 95% of home matches and also beating the likes of Sri Lanka and West Indies comfortably but not winning series( although still won matches )in SENA.

No surprises now that we have folks over here harping back to performances vs Sri Lanka and how we are giving ***** about SENA performance lol.

Tell us more About Gill, Pant, Sundar and also how shaw is not in the same league.

SENA stats are good, but a particular innings can be better against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka that an innings played in SENA.

You have to judge every innings on it's own, just stating an innings played in SENA doesn't make it better.

Some innings on rank turners are better or even with the best innings in SENA.

That Babar century, Shafique century and Chandimal innings were brilliant.

 

[Bewal Express]

Gill is a hack, he's another KL Rahul in the making. Except even worse.

As for Shafique, early days for him but he has been very promising so far. Let's see how he performs outside Asia

I dont think he is. He is a very talented guy but he isnt an opener

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What has Gill done outside the very good gabba performance? Nothing right?
In India he averages 29.

That's poor.

Abdullah shafique based on his technique to me looks superior in every aspect od the game.

I have already posted regarding Abdullah being better than Gill currently but stay away from overhyping him like some indian fans do with almost every upcoming indian youngster these days.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Tell us more About Gill, Pant, Sundar and also how shaw is not in the same league.

SENA stats are good, but a particular innings can be better against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka that an innings played in SENA.

You have to judge every innings on it's own, just stating an innings played in SENA doesn't make it better.

Some innings on rank turners are better or even with the best innings in SENA.

That Babar century, Shafique century and Chandimal innings were brilliant.

These guys don't even rate Dravid's and Laxman's innings in Kolkata test in 2001.

 

[JaDed]

The SENA nonsense was started by Pakistani posters mostly few years ago( in 2018) when they were talking about India'a win loss record when we were winning like 95% of home matches and also beating the likes of Sri Lanka and West Indies comfortably but not winning series( although still won matches )in SENA.

No surprises now that we have folks over here harping back to performances vs Sri Lanka and how we are giving ***** about SENA performance lol.

Came here to type that, SENA comparison wasn’t started by Indians.

For years I have seen how SENA performance is rated by most posters here and now lol.

I have always said that English players get so much publicity for just performing in England.

 

[Mobashir]

Came here to type that, SENA comparison wasn’t started by Indians.

For years I have seen how SENA performance is rated by most posters here and now lol.

I have always said that English players get so much publicity for just performing in England.

SENA performances are rated and should be rated highly. But when you are analyzing an innings to say that innings A is better than innings B bevause A was played in SENA and B in Sri Lanka is plain stupid.

Every test match has it's conditions and when analyzing an innings you can look at the pitch, you can look at the situation of the match etc.
If it's too hard and you prefer to just write SENA better than Sri Lanka you better stop watching test cricket.

 

[ElRaja]

I have read some daft posts in my time, but to suggest SENA was a term coined by Pakistan fans, that too on PP is beyond a joke. Cricinfo, Wisden and Yahoo (to name but a few) adopted the term from Pakistan fans? Pull the other one.

SENA was used to bolster Tendulkar’s losing centuries outside of Asia, by Sachinstas.

was abt to say, i hated the term SENA, seemed nonsensical as a pak fan givne pakistan historically were good in england and new zeland and rubbish in south africa and australia.

also i just hated the abbreviation, conditions in non-sena countries vary a lot, west indies pbly has lower batting averages than australia recently. im pretty sure some indian came up with SENA.

 

[shamaan]

Shafique has left Gill in the dust.

We'll see where they end up in the next few years though.

Shafique will get a long run but am not sure Gill Will though.

 

[shamaan]

SENA performances are rated and should be rated highly. But when you are analyzing an innings to say that innings A is better than innings B bevause A was played in SENA and B in Sri Lanka is plain stupid.

Every test match has it's conditions and when analyzing an innings you can look at the pitch, you can look at the situation of the match etc.
If it's too hard and you prefer to just write SENA better than Sri Lanka you better stop watching test cricket.

Ita harder to get runs in asain conditions on 4th/5th day than in SENA conditions.

 

[JaDed]

Ita harder to get runs in asain conditions on 4th/5th day than in SENA conditions.

Nope depends upon the pitch, India is the toughest yes, games will hardly reach 5th day.

Not all Lankan pitches are like that.

 

[JaDed]

SENA performances are rated and should be rated highly. But when you are analyzing an innings to say that innings A is better than innings B bevause A was played in SENA and B in Sri Lanka is plain stupid.

Every test match has it's conditions and when analyzing an innings you can look at the pitch, you can look at the situation of the match etc.
If it's too hard and you prefer to just write SENA better than Sri Lanka you better stop watching test cricket.

So basically if Indian players perform in Asia it doesn’t count as much.

I’m all for rating all conditions equally , most posters wouldn’t agree on that.

 

[shamaan]

Nope depends upon the pitch, India is the toughest yes, games will hardly reach 5th day.

Not all Lankan pitches are like that.

If you go look at successful run chases the odds of winnings in asain conditions are less compared to SENA conditions stats prove that.

 

[Moeey]

SENA performances are rated and should be rated highly. But when you are analyzing an innings to say that innings A is better than innings B bevause A was played in SENA and B in Sri Lanka is plain stupid.

Every test match has it's conditions and when analyzing an innings you can look at the pitch, you can look at the situation of the match etc.
If it's too hard and you prefer to just write SENA better than Sri Lanka you better stop watching test cricket.

Sena don't care about us. Stop being silly. All performances count. Sena teams don't give a rat's behind about us Asians.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Today Gill Will show who THE BOSS is

 

[Ab Fan]

Lol, Kohli is a nothing cricketer lolworthy. Gill clearly has higher ceiling.