Sikhism

[HAFRIDI]

Whats the problem, as muslims we belive in the one true will of God.

Everything else is a perversion for us and unacceptable.

we give a special place for christians and jews and thats ONLY because of the message [which has been now corrupted] which was given by the prophets Moses and Jesus peace be upon them.


RESPECT is one thing, but belief that hindu's and sikhs and the rest of them have valid belief systems is are notions which should not be entertained.




Islam is a way of life, the only valid way of life we have to stick up with for our beliefs,





Have respect by all means, but at the end of the day they are still disbelivers are they not, we cant change the fact that they are kaffir,.

ur posts are pointless, read the discussion because ur way off track bud.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

ok i juss talked to ma sikh frnd an daccording to her their is no such thing in their rel abt. them not cuttin their hair until all muslims in the subcontinet die, according to her its juss a streotype !

 

[Ayubi]

thanks for coming out hussain...your quite a rep for your religion

Ayubi...I have no knowledge of 1857 whatsoever..so can't make a comment...but what's the relevance here? By Guru Tegh Bahadurji's killing, i'm pointing out there were instances of trying to convert people to islam...of course it doesn't mean it happened ALL the time...that's all. That part is not subjective. And forcible converting has no fence, it's wrong either way. Martrydom maybe...not conversion by forcible means

Ok....relevance was that history is littered with these kinds of events where one religion has wronged another. That's all. If the Muslims did it to your Gurus then the Sikhs did it by aiding the British...but not a big issue. I'm not saying Sikhs are all bad because of what happend in 1857.

And likewise I know very little about Guru Tegh Bahadur's killing, need to read up about it & events surrounding it. You're right, forced conversions are wrong & can't be justified. As Allah tells us in one of the most recited verses of the Qur'an: 'There is no compulsion in religion'

 

[Tupac]

right Ayubi, I agree, it's settled

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

right Ayubi, I agree, it's settled

it took 4 pages for a settlement - Damn thats impressive

 

[Tupac]

ain't it? the imran vs sachin took 7 pages and miggy had to close it!

 

[Aurangzeb]

forced conversions are wrong...period...but having said that...i still love the mughals...

 

[Ayubi]

Never saw that thread!

So which bright spark even suggested the possibility that Sachin's name could even be mentioned in the same breath as Khansaab's!

 

[Hash]

Never saw that thread!

So which bright spark even suggested the possibility that Sachin's name could even be mentioned in the same breath as Khansaab's!

googly

 

[Tupac]

I did, and the poll prove me right in the end

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I did, and the poll prove me right in the end

which poll was that? the bbc one?

 

[entralinks]

Can everyone please refresh your browsers a couple of times and then head towards the S&S Forum. Thankyou.

 

[Fawad]

which poll was that? the bbc one?

That poll was a joke, obviously the indians would think Sachin is better and Pakistanis would think Imran is better. A neutral would almost definetly say that Imran is the better cricketer of the two.

And i stress the word cricketer.

Better batsman:

Obviously Tendulkar

Better bowler:

Imran by a massive margin

Better Captain:

Imran

Better Fielder:

Debatable

Overall, Imran wipes the floor with Tendi. Sachin not fit enough to shine Imran's boots.

 

[Ayubi]

Yea but come on call a spade a spade; Sachin is better looking and has a much better physique

 

[Tupac]

obviously the greater cricketer is Imran Khan..the poll was who is the most influential cricketer from asia, Imran didn't even show up in the top 15! and bud...this was a BBC poll that was open to anyone around teh world...so uhh, unless you know the stats, you can't say anything about an indian bias in the poll

 

[khanpuria]

if they shave, ill have sumone shave by chuddeh hairs

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

obviously the greater cricketer is Imran Khan..the poll was who is the most influential cricketer from asia, Imran didn't even show up in the top 15! and bud...this was a BBC poll that was open to anyone around teh world...so uhh, unless you know the stats, you can't say anything about an indian bias in the poll

wasnt aware of that poll

The poll i was aware of was the Greatest Cricketer Poll on the BBC - Ian Botham won that one so that tells you all you need to know about the poll

 

[Fawad]

obviously the greater cricketer is Imran Khan..the poll was who is the most influential cricketer from asia, Imran didn't even show up in the top 15! and bud...this was a BBC poll that was open to anyone around teh world...so uhh, unless you know the stats, you can't say anything about an indian bias in the poll

How is Sachin influential?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

How is Sachin influential?

well he's given ppl the confidence that having a beer belly is okay

 

[Tupac]

i think that's sehwag geordie....

 

[JaDed]

Guru Gobind Singh Ji Gurpurab: Guru Gobind Singh became the Sikh guru at the age of nine, after the death of his father Guru Tegh Bahadur. His teachings and guidance have inspired and impacted many people across the globe.

Guru Gobind Singh Jayanti 2020: Know About 10th Sikh Guru, His Inspiring Words
Guru Gobind Singh Ji Gurpurab 2020: He was assassinated in 1708 at the age of 41.


New Delhi: Guru Gobind Singh Ji Gurpurab 2020: Today is 353rd birth anniversary of the tenth Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh. Born in Bihar's capital Patna, he was a warrior, a spiritual master, a poet and a philosopher. He became the Sikh guru at the age of nine, after the death of his father Guru Tegh Bahadur. His teachings and guidance have inspired and impacted many people across the globe. He was assassinated in 1708 at the age of 41. On the birth anniversary of Guru Gobind Singh, Sikh families distribute food to those in need.
Inspiring words of Guru Gobind Singh:
"God is one, but he has innumerable forms" - Guru Gobind Singh

"He is the creator of all and He himself takes the human form." - Guru Gobind Singh

"The greatest comforts and lasting peace are obtained, when one eradicates selfishness from within." - Guru Gobind Singh

"Egotism is such a terrible disease, iin the love of duality, they do their deeds." - Guru Gobind Singh

"The greatest comforts and lasting peace are obtained,when one eradicates selfishness from within." - Guru Gobind Singh

"He who regards all men as equals is religious." - Guru Gobind Singh

"Fruitful is the entire life of those, who feel hunger for the Name of the Lord in their minds." - Guru Gobind Singh

"Dwell in peace in the home of your own being, and the Messenger of Death will not be able to touch you." - Guru Gobind Singh

"Do as much possible to serve and aid foreigners, those in need, or in trouble." - Guru Gobind Singh


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/guru-gobind-singh-ji-gurpurab-2020-wishes-messages-quotes-on-guru-gobind-singh-jayanti-2157710

 

[JaDed]

Very interesting thread this, I think it does coincide with the thread where Pakistanis are becoming secular somewhat.. there is not this much dislike anymore..

 

[Ronaldo7]

Very interesting thread this, I think it does coincide with the thread where Pakistanis are becoming secular somewhat.. there is not this much dislike anymore..

Just because someone dislikes another religion, doesn't mean they're not secular.

Hatred towards Sikhs was mostly due to the partition and what happened in Punjab. My Grandfather used to live alongside Sikhs and Hindus and had some very close Sikh friends. But during the partition, even his friends turned on him. He doesn't really like Sikhs actually he started to despise them after that. This view is shared by many muslims in Punjab and sikhs in India too.
The view may be changing but the effects of the partition can still be felt.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Meanwhile British Pak can't get enough of sikh culture.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Meanwhile British Pak can't get enough of sikh culture.

What sikh culture are you on about?

 

[JaDed]

Just because someone dislikes another religion, doesn't mean they're not secular.

Hatred towards Sikhs was mostly due to the partition and what happened in Punjab. My Grandfather used to live alongside Sikhs and Hindus and had some very close Sikh friends. But during the partition, even his friends turned on him. He doesn't really like Sikhs actually he started to despise them after that. This view is shared by many muslims in Punjab and sikhs in India too.
The view may be changing but the effects of the partition can still be felt.

What have you got to do with partition?

My Dads sibling was killed in Pak during partition should I carry that anger?

None of the posters on this thread were personally affected by partition.

If someone is religious and they hate a particular religion they are defn not secular..

 

[uberkoen]

Just because someone dislikes another religion, doesn't mean they're not secular.

Hatred towards Sikhs was mostly due to the partition and what happened in Punjab. My Grandfather used to live alongside Sikhs and Hindus and had some very close Sikh friends. But during the partition, even his friends turned on him. He doesn't really like Sikhs actually he started to despise them after that. This view is shared by many muslims in Punjab and sikhs in India too.
The view may be changing but the effects of the partition can still be felt.

Bit of an idiotic view to hate all the followers of a religion just because of one or two individuals.

and don't try to push your views onto the majority. That definitely is not the case.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Bit of an idiotic view to hate all the followers of a religion just because of one or two individuals.

and don't try to push your views onto the majority. That definitely is not the case.

When did I say the majority is like that?
Stop putting words in my mouth.

I literally said that "the view may be changing" and it is. I'm just telling you a reason why some Sikhs hated muslims and vice versa.

 

[Ronaldo7]

What have you got to do with partition?

My Dads sibling was killed in Pak during partition should I carry that anger?

None of the posters on this thread were personally affected by partition.

If someone is religious and they hate a particular religion they are defn not secular..

What are you trying to say?
That I hate sikhs?
I don't hate sikhs.
The posters from 2006 may have disliked sikhs due to many different factors not just because of the partition.

A lot of Americans hate Islam, so are they not secular?
Just because you hate a religion doesn't mean you'll start targeting people from that religion. It just means that you don't agree with its ideas. And guess what that comes under?

Free speech (a secular idea)

 

[Ronaldo7]

Bit of an idiotic view to hate all the followers of a religion just because of one or two individuals.

and don't try to push your views onto the majority. That definitely is not the case.

Also how do you know that people in Pakistan like Sikhs?
Do you have statistics to prove it?

From what I gathered from my last visit is that a lot of pakistani Muslims still view Sikhs in a negative way due to their "unhygienic" style and due to their aggression towards muslims. I don't want to generalise as I only went to Islamabad, Lahore and Faislabad but that was what I inferred from what I saw.

The Kartarpur corridor thing doesn't mean Pakistanis like Sikhs. We all know why we made it look like that... so we can propagate the idea of Khalistan and say that Pakistan supports them. There's no other reason.

 

[PakLFC]

Pakistanis neither like nor dislike Sikhs. I have no special place for them in my heart at all unlike many Pakistani and Indian Punjabis falling over each other these days. Yes, historically Sikhs are hostile towards Muslims due to their Guru's being killed by the Mughals then Punjab being divided after independence. We got Pakistan where as they lost land and did not get their own country.

As a religion I hate it when people say Islam and Sikhism are so similar, hell no! Muslim's do not recognise their Granth as a revelation or any of their Guru's as even Caliph's let alone anything else. Sikh's see their Nanak as a part of God like Christian's do Jesus, astaghfirullah!

 

[PakLFC]

Sikh's believe that their Granth was revealed directly to Nanak by God Muslim's believe that the noble Qur'an was revealed to Hazoor(saw) through the Angle Jabreel. 500 years after Nanak's demise Sikhism remains a minority religion even in it's birth place. Most Muslim's even Hindu's did not accept it.

 

[Slog]

Most Pakistanis haven’t met a Sikh in their life.

Growing up I knew a lot of Christians and Hindus and even the odd Parsi but I only met Sikhs when I went to North America

 

[Abdul]

They're the purest people out there.

 

[Mamoon]

Most Pakistanis haven’t met a Sikh in their life.

Growing up I knew a lot of Christians and Hindus and even the odd Parsi but I only met Sikhs when I went to North America

There are quite a few in Peshawar, but a Peshawari Sikh is obviously not the same as an Indian Sikh.

 

[Slog]

There are quite a few in Peshawar, but a Peshawari Sikh is obviously not the same as an Indian Sikh.

Yea read about them.

Are they ethnically Pathan?

 

[Mamoon]

Yea read about them.

Are they ethnically Pathan?

Mostly Punjabis and Peshawaris (Hindko speaking).

 

[Ronaldo7]

There are quite a few in Peshawar, but a Peshawari Sikh is obviously not the same as an Indian Sikh.

Not the same as in that they're not Indian or not the same as they practice Sikhism differently?

 

[Mamoon]

Not the same as in that they're not Indian or not the same as they practice Sikhism differently?

I don’t have much knowledge about Sikhism so I don’t know if there are different versions etc., but obviously Pakistani Sikhs are influenced by Pakistani culture so they cannot be compared to Indian Sikhs.

It is similar to how Indian Muslims are different than us.

 

[JaDed]

I don’t have much knowledge about Sikhism so I don’t know if there are different versions etc., but obviously Pakistani Sikhs are influenced by Pakistani culture so they cannot be compared to Indian Sikhs.

It is similar to how Indian Muslims are different than us.

The Peshawari Sikhs would be different from other Sikhs in Pak Punjab as well.

Why would practice of religion change? Their identity or language might.

 

[JaDed]

Most Pakistanis haven’t met a Sikh in their life.

Growing up I knew a lot of Christians and Hindus and even the odd Parsi but I only met Sikhs when I went to North America

Yes but this thread seems to be British Pakistani experience from 2006..
Most in Canada would defn have an experience.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Yes but this thread seems to be British Pakistani experience from 2006..
Most in Canada would defn have an experience.

I've lived in Britain my whole life.
The first time I actually saw sikh was when I sent to Southall other than that you barely see any Sikhs except if you live in Asian dominated areas.