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Since the ICC Champions Trophy 2017 Final, Kuldeep and Chahal have taken 128 wickets in 43 ODIs

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Since the ICC Champions Trophy 2017 Final, Kuldeep and Chahal have taken 128 wickets in 43 ODIs

It is the 27th over of the Champions Trophy Final in 2017. Ravichandran Ashwin is trying to cramp Fakhar Zaman by angling the ball towards the leg-stump. The first two balls are wides. Commentating on-air, Nasser Hussain asks his fellow commentator "How are India or Ashwin trying to get a wicket here?". India don’t pick a wicket for while and the day ends in a crushing 180-run defeat. Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja concede 137 runs from their 18 combined overs. It is an end of the finger-spinning era. It will be the last time India opt to play an ODI match without a wrist-spinner in the playing XI.

In the next couple of tours, Kuldeep Yadav is blooded into the system at the expense of Jadeja and Yuzvendra Chahal was incorporated for Ashwin. It is the start of the wrist-spin chapter in the 50-over format. Ever since the launch of the new age, Chahal and Kuldeep have revolutionised India’s mindset, and the results are astonishing. Since the Champions Trophy final, India have won 31 out of the 43 ODI matches. In that time period, Kuldeep and Chahal have taken 128 wickets between them.

In the period after the 2015 World Cup and the Champion Trophy in 2017, India had trialled four finger spinners — Jadeja, Ashwin, Axar Patel, and Harbhajan Singh. The four had combined to play 53 matches and picked up 55 wickets. During that period, India had won 19 and lost 14.
The defeat to Pakistan in the final was the last nail in the coffin. An alteration was inevitable. Virat Kohli and the team management had realised that no longer could India be a dominant force in the 50-over format without taking wickets in the middle overs.

Fast forward to the opening game in New Zealand and the deadly duo combined to snare six wickets to dismantle New Zealand for a paltry total of 157. "If the pitch is flat then you have no way out unless you have wrist-spinners who do the job in the middle overs," is what Kohli had stated in England last year. The pitch at Napier was flat, just like the Champions Trophy final, but unlike 18 months ago, India are now armed with two genuine wicket-taking bowlers.

It was Chahal who started the rot. Ross Taylor had survived the early onslaught and was looking to attack the leg-spinner. Chahal sensed the moment perfectly. The leggie gave the ball more air and slowed it up a touch. Looking to drive, Taylor's hands pushed in front of his body and it resulted in a simple return catch. Tom Latham fell in a similar manner as New Zealand slumped to 76-4. Chahal had done his job. He had built up the pressure and taken wickets.

Now it was Kuldeep's turn. The left-arm wrist-spinner might have been slightly off-colour in Australia, but he found his rhythm to bamboozle the Black Caps lower-order. Between them, Chahal and Kuldeep finished with figures of 6-82 from 20 overs. Importantly, they once again proved how lethal the duo is when paired together during the middle stages of the game.

On the 24 occasions that Chahal and Kuldeep have played together, India have won 17 times. In each of those matches, never has the pair gone wicketless. Add to that, the opposition has only managed to score in excess of 300 just twice. Both have an economy rate of under-five and a strike-rate in the high 20s.

India triumphed in Australia, but it hasn't taken Kohli and Ravi Shastri long to revert to a duo that is becoming India's trump card for the World Cup. In the past year, India defeated South Africa and Australia on their home turf. Chahal and Kuldeep have played a major role in scripting those famous wins. In South Africa, the pair claimed 31 wickets in six matches; in Australia, Chahal picked career-best figures of 6-42 in the deciding match. Today in Napier, they once again proved how difficult it is for opposition to untangle their mysteries after the first powerplay.
 
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Phenomenal. They both performed beyond expectations. Saw them first time in Asia cup and they were brilliant.
 
This is what called selection. After CT india rightly deopped Ashwin and Jadeja while we stuck ourselves with TTF And mediocre Imad.
 
Till date, that remains the most bold and unconventional decision of Kohli, to drop Ashwin from ODI team completely
 
This is the vision of Kohli Reminds me a lot of Imran Khan
 
They have been brilliantly. India should try to play them together as much as possible. They may get hit at times but they are capable of running through teams .
 
England's ODI batting strategy revolution after WC15 and India's dramatic wrist spin bowling U-turn after the CT17 are the things selectors/management should get paid for.
 
England's ODI batting strategy revolution after WC15 and India's dramatic wrist spin bowling U-turn after the CT17 are the things selectors/management should get paid for.

While Englands is a radical paradigm shift, India's is like putting all eggs in a basket.
 
While Englands is a radical paradigm shift, India's is like putting all eggs in a basket.

But we haven't put all our eggs in a basket have we? We have plenty of readymade eggs and baskets if we drop this one.
 
Many forget,Indians, Ashwin lost Asia cup ,2012 edition I think, which kuldeep and chahal could have easily won. I mean bowling friendly conditions
 
Chahal and Kuldeep in particular has always started a series on fire and gradually become benign as we go deep into the series. So, i don't trust them.
 
We have plenty, but those are wasted at home.

Every team plays to a plan that they think is most suitable for winning. And each plan can crumble at enemy contact. That does not mean you don't have specific plan and try play a fictional random brand of cricket that has every base covered and infallible.
 
Many forget,Indians, Ashwin lost Asia cup ,2012 edition I think, which kuldeep and chahal could have easily won. I mean bowling friendly conditions

People also forget ashwin was the best bowler in ct 2013 final win, chahal and kuldeep are great but no need to slander ashwin for it.
 
The most useless bowler outside Asian conditions
for India after harbhajan of course, and even in Asian conditions he fails in Odis.
 
Chahal and Kuldeep in particular has always started a series on fire and gradually become benign as we go deep into the series. So, i don't trust them.

NZ had played them decently before in india and still they found them difficult in NZ. So Wristies too can improve and don't lose 'IT' once a opponent is more familiar with them.
 
May be some club bias or regional bias makes some people support Ashwin...in Odis .
 
People also forget ashwin was the best bowler in ct 2013 final win, chahal and kuldeep are great but no need to slander ashwin for it.

And Jadeja was equally good in that CT. Ashwin was very good in WC15 too. I'm not slandering their well earned reputation.

But things(playing conditions) have changed. So we have honourably discharged them.
 
India should thank us for helping them remodel their bowling :fz
 
Ashwin is way past his prime and it’s time for him to retire gracefully. But I agree Bumrah was the reason for ct17 disaster and I don’t think Chahall and Kuldeep would have made a difference. The stars had just aligned that day for Pakistan.
 
Average of less than 1.5 wickets per match for each, good numbers but by no means phenomenal
 
Average of less than 1.5 wickets per match for each, good numbers but by no means phenomenal

Its around 3 wickets, 1.5 per person is what you calculated, provided they both bowl in middle overs this is exceptional. Can you tell us which other combination has higher avg per match then this ??
 
Its around 3 wickets, 1.5 per person is what you calculated, provided they both bowl in middle overs this is exceptional. Can you tell us which other combination has higher avg per match then this ??

Ok my bad. They each have more than 1.5 wkts per match individually
 
Probably the best spin duo in the history of ODI cricket. Might sound big, but I can't really recall any other spinning duo that have as good of a performance as these two. They've simply choked teams in the middle overs.
 
And Jadeja was equally good in that CT. Ashwin was very good in WC15 too. I'm not slandering their well earned reputation.

But things(playing conditions) have changed. So we have honourably discharged them.

Not you mate, i have no issues if someone says kuldeep and chahal should play ahead of ashwin right now but to pick on specific games from 7 years ago to claim that a 17 year old kuldeep and a 21 year old chahal would have outperformed ashwin then is just stupid.
 
Don't take too much credit. Most of that should go to Bumrah.

India have missed a trick one feels. I wonder what would be the case if Mavi and nagarkotti the 2 u19 fast bowlers were tried out in the last year....but again shami bhuvi and bumrah have not done bad either.
 
A lot of spin friendliness going around these days in ODI pitches, ICC needs to have a look.

Good job nonetheless. Takes a good spinner to extract something out of a pitch.
 
It's the pacers at the top and then the wrist spinners. Just relentless. India's only problem is death bowling at this point.
 
Ashwin was at the bottom of his ODI career when he was selected for the final. Infact many wanted a seamer in place of him. Inspite of the thrashing Ashwin recieved against Srilanka in the earlier match Kohli went with him. He thinks "experience" is a bigger factor than "form". That is why guys like Dhoni, Rayudu are still in the reckoning for the world cup.
 
Assuming full fitness, India's bowling attack for the WC is totally sorted.

Against Eng, SA, Aus, NZ, WI - Pick the spin twins to back up Bumrah and Bhuvi, fill in the 5th bowler with a combination of Pandya and Kedar Jadhav.

Against teams that handle spin better - Pak, SL, BD, Afg - Bench one of the wrist spinners and bring Shami in to boss them with pace.

India will go as far as the batsmen take them this WC. Semi-Final for sure, better than 50% chance of final.

And if they get there, I'd put them as slight favorites ahead of anybody else.

For all of England's rampaging batting, they lack the quality in their bowling, and their batting regularly has a 230 all out performance, once every 6 games or so.

Most teams are going to need to have one of their best days on the field to beat India.

The Indian Elephant is going to stomp all over most teams this WC.
 
Ashwin was at the bottom of his ODI career when he was selected for the final. Infact many wanted a seamer in place of him. Inspite of the thrashing Ashwin recieved against Srilanka in the earlier match Kohli went with him. He thinks "experience" is a bigger factor than "form". That is why guys like Dhoni, Rayudu are still in the reckoning for the world cup.

Here we go again with your ** anecdotal evidence, and just like your previous gems like kirmani was a rubbish keeper at his career start or saha is a rubbish keeper this is **.

When we look at what happened in the actual tournament rather than whatever madeup world you create your fiction in, this little he should not be picked for the final doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Ashwin was the 6th highest wicket taker in the tournament with 8 wickets and only anderson and jadeja went at a better economy rate.

In the first game against SA, Ashwin and Jadeja were the only ones who went at below 5 an over while the pacers who you dreamed up to replace ashwin went at 7, 7.5 and 8.25 rpo. In the next game against WI he was again india's 2nd best bowler after jadeja. Next 2 games he had average performances going for 4.3 and 4.8 rpo, which was then followed up by the final where he was the best bowler.

Also the pacers who could have replaced him were irfan pathan who had last played a odi year before the CT and the great vinay kumar. Please stop spreading fake news in guise of facts.
 
rpo stat is wrong as he was much lower, but he did go at 4.4 an over which is a great figure.
 
These 2 will be the key in middle overs for Ind. Teams who would be able to attack and defuse them will come out good. If they go defense and try to play dots against them will easily give them 4-5 wickets.
 
Here we go again with your ** anecdotal evidence, and just like your previous gems like kirmani was a rubbish keeper at his career start or saha is a rubbish keeper this is **.

When we look at what happened in the actual tournament rather than whatever madeup world you create your fiction in, this little he should not be picked for the final doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Ashwin was the 6th highest wicket taker in the tournament with 8 wickets and only anderson and jadeja went at a better economy rate.

In the first game against SA, Ashwin and Jadeja were the only ones who went at below 5 an over while the pacers who you dreamed up to replace ashwin went at 7, 7.5 and 8.25 rpo. In the next game against WI he was again india's 2nd best bowler after jadeja. Next 2 games he had average performances going for 4.3 and 4.8 rpo, which was then followed up by the final where he was the best bowler.

Also the pacers who could have replaced him were irfan pathan who had last played a odi year before the CT and the great vinay kumar. Please stop spreading fake news in guise of facts.


Okay i got the wrong team . Against BD he was useless. Not SL. I am talking about 2017 CT not 2015 CT. You are getting mixed up. In 2015 CT he got 1 wicket in 3 matches averaging 167 with a strike rate of 174 and ER of 5.75. Fakhar smashed him around in the final.
 
Assuming full fitness, India's bowling attack for the WC is totally sorted.

Against Eng, SA, Aus, NZ, WI - Pick the spin twins to back up Bumrah and Bhuvi, fill in the 5th bowler with a combination of Pandya and Kedar Jadhav.

Against teams that handle spin better - Pak, SL, BD, Afg - Bench one of the wrist spinners and bring Shami in to boss them with pace.

India will go as far as the batsmen take them this WC. Semi-Final for sure, better than 50% chance of final.

And if they get there, I'd put them as slight favorites ahead of anybody else.

For all of England's rampaging batting, they lack the quality in their bowling, and their batting regularly has a 230 all out performance, once every 6 games or so.

Most teams are going to need to have one of their best days on the field to beat India.

The Indian Elephant is going to stomp all over most teams this WC.

They will play the spin twins in every game. Spinners choked Pak, BD in Asia cup too
 
This paints a clearer picture, now the stats look much better :13:
That's because it's not like Kuldeep and Chahal have played all those 43 ODIs together. In some games, only one of them was picked.

If you read the article, it says Kuldeep and Chahal have played only 24 of those 43 ODIs together.
 
Problem with Chahal is, if he fails with the ball, he is completely useless. A poor fielder and his batting is even worse. Cannot score even a single run.

These days, even bowlers are expected to hit a few big ones if needed. Chahal cannot hit the ball beyond inner circle.
 
They will play the spin twins in every game. Spinners choked Pak, BD in Asia cup too

Asia cup tracks had grip and turn - pitches in England may not. Besides, Pak and BD would be a lot more uncomfortable against pace than spin. Heck even Pandya is able to keep the Pakistani middle order quiet. Unleashing Shami in place of one of the spinners would strangle them even more.
 
Problem with Chahal is, if he fails with the ball, he is completely useless. A poor fielder and his batting is even worse. Cannot score even a single run.

These days, even bowlers are expected to hit a few big ones if needed. Chahal cannot hit the ball beyond inner circle.

Its a 50 over game, you shouldn't need more than 7 batsmen to bat 50 overs.
 
Asia cup tracks had grip and turn - pitches in England may not. Besides, Pak and BD would be a lot more uncomfortable against pace than spin. Heck even Pandya is able to keep the Pakistani middle order quiet. Unleashing Shami in place of one of the spinners would strangle them even more.

On all accounts and even from Vaughan, the pitches are going to be flat and dry. He said that during the Ind vs AUS series during commentary. I believe these spinners are very effective in tandem.
 
Okay i got the wrong team . Against BD he was useless. Not SL. I am talking about 2017 CT not 2015 CT. You are getting mixed up. In 2015 CT he got 1 wicket in 3 matches averaging 167 with a strike rate of 174 and ER of 5.75. Fakhar smashed him around in the final.

ok, but how is anyone supposed to know that? we played SL in the semis of CT 2013 which is a game before the finals and it is 2013 there was no CT in 2015.
 
On all accounts and even from Vaughan, the pitches are going to be flat and dry. He said that during the Ind vs AUS series during commentary. I believe these spinners are very effective in tandem.

Yes. Both rely on flight not "dart" like some of the spinners.
 
ok, but how is anyone supposed to know that? we played SL in the semis of CT 2013 which is a game before the finals and it is 2013 there was no CT in 2015.

You should know Kuldeep/Chahal never debuted before that. India did lose to srilanka only in the last CT not in the previous CT. Ashwin was an utter useless selection in the squad let alone team.
 
And we've the best top order as well.

Such a shame we have such a dud middle order though.

Will be interesting to see if India can chase 300 when both Kohli and Rohit fail. This is probably their only weakness in odis
 
Will be interesting to see if India can chase 300 when both Kohli and Rohit fail. This is probably their only weakness in odis
I can bet my house, we won't with this middle order.
 
Rayadu has played 49 games while kartik 89, how is that experience.

Shaw, Pant and Gill will play regularly after the WC but It's a huge risk to bet on such players right now. Kohli is smart enough to know about this

Btw all those senior players played well today
 
You need experience

Kohli, Dhawan, Rohit all have experience..

Even if you can't drop Dhoni atleast drop rayudu and kartick and bring in fresh blood.. Dhoni + rayudu + kartick is a deadly match losing combination when chasing a big total and your top 3 fail. This situation will come once in the world cup. As an Indian fan I can only hope it's in a group game and not knockout.
 
Shaw, Pant and Gill will play regularly after the WC but It's a huge risk to bet on such players right now. Kohli is smart enough to know about this

Btw all those senior players played well today

This is exactly the point we are making, Pant and others should have been groomed since after 2017 CT atleast so they had 2 years experience in international cricket. Now it's too late we have to go with the team we have.
 
What a duo this is.

India is fav to win this WC only because of these two. Most batting teams these days are clueless against quality wrist spin. Kohli has truly revolutionized Indian bowling.
 
Shaw, Pant and Gill will play regularly after the WC but It's a huge risk to bet on such players right now. Kohli is smart enough to know about this

Btw all those senior players played well today

How is not scoring a boundary for 5 of the last 10 overs playing well, only reason we got 320 is because rayudu got out and jadhav took off, if rayudu had stayed another 10 bals we won't have crossed 300.
 
Pakistan should be thinking about who is best to take on this bowling overs 16-38.
I think fakhar and sarfaraz, so on that match day we should line up
1 Shan
2 Babar
3 fakhar
4 sarfaraz
5 Malik
6 hafeez
 
Haven't changed my game much but I am a bit more mature: Yuzvendra Chahal

March 26, 2015, was the fateful day when India’s challenge in the World Cup ended with a 95-run defeat at the hands of Australia in Sydney. Almost 15 months later, on June 11, 2016, a young legspinner from Haryana made his ODI debut for India in Zimbabwe. The debut spell ended with a wicket in his last over and that was how it all started for India’s now numero uno legspinner Yuzvendra Chahal.

While the first outing might not have been the most impressive one, Chahal stamped his class in a T20I game against England when he finished with figures of 6/25 – the best for the Men in Blue in the shortest format of the game.

Apart from the wickets that he picked, that game bore testimony to the fact that he was no one-match wonder. And as India gear up for the challenge of lifting the coveted World Cup trophy in England and Wales, Chahal’s role will be of umpteen importance.

Chahal says that his partnership with wrist spin partner Kuldeep Yadav has more to it than their own abilities with the ball. So, there is definitely more to it than just hitting the bowling crease for the duo which has impressed all with their performances in series wins in South Africa and Australia in recent times. And that is the help and guidance of the senior members of the team.

“Mahi bhai (MS Dhoni) has helped a lot. He tells us how a wicket will play and so it helps us figure things out quickly instead of wasting overs on trying to understand the wicket. So that has been a big plus point for both me and Kuldeep,” he said.

Stump mic recordings of the former captain telling Kuldeep and Chahal which areas to bowl in have gone viral multiple times in the past two years. But Chahal says it is not just Dhoni.

“Apart from him, Virat (Kohli) and Rohit (Sharma) also always look to help us out. I think in our team every person is their own captain and we all respect each other. So for me and Kuldeep, it was great that we came into a dressing room that had these experienced players who were ready to back us up,” said Chahal.

However, the pair have hardly needed any backing since their respective breakthroughs. Chahal had made his debut before Kuldeep and so it is worth noting that since then, the pair have accounted for 159 wickets in just under 45 matches. Their performance in the third ODI against South Africa in February 2018 had led to captain Kohli earmarking them to be India’s “X-factor” in the World Cup.

India went on to tour England and Australia in the months since. While the former’s big hitting prowess overpowered them, India would record a 2-1 win over Australia and Chahal ended it as the second highest wicket taker for his team with six scalps. All of these wickets came in the third ODI and his 6/42 was the best by any bowler in Australia. If the fact hadn’t already been established, it was now: Yuzvendra Chahal is a danger regardless of the country he is playing in.

The 28-year-old said that he had not brought any modifications to his bowling technique in these away tours. “I am doing exactly what I have always been doing for the past few years. I have not brought many changes to my game. The variations are the same, but I am a bit more mature in mixing them up now.”

Chahal has also been working on the other aspects of his game. “I have worked harder on my fielding and batting. I always feel you need to always add to your skill set and that is what I have tried to do.”

His teammates’ reaction to his batting serves as comic relief at times and Chahal does not really mind having a laugh at himself. Evidence of this tendency towards self-depreciating humour could be seen when asked how many bats he would be taking to England.

“I’ve taken one each from Virat, Shikhar (Dhawan) and Mahi bhai. Rohit refuses to give one,” he said.

This banter is also a sign of how well Chahal has integrated into the team. However, new places in a team always come at the expense of other players and in this case, Kuldeep and Chahal’s rise has coincided with the fall of Ravichandran Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja’s stature in India’s limited overs setup.

While Jadeja has plotted a comeback of sorts after the 2018 Asia Cup and is in the mix for the World Cup, Ashwin hasn’t played an ODI match since June 2017. Both continue to be regulars in the Test side though, which is something Chahal has not been able to break into.

“It is wrong to say that we replaced them,” said Chahal when asked about the nature of his interactions with the pair whenever they are in the team. “They have played so many matches and have got so many wickets to their name. Comparing us to them would be unfair.

“I have not played much with Ashwin but Jadeja has never shied from giving me any advice or helping me out in any way.”

The build-up to the World Cup always involves chatter about the conditions. With England being the hosts this time, one could be tempted into thinking that this could be a pacer’s tournament. However, the manner in which England’s batsmen thwarted Pakistan in the recent ODI series between the two sides indicates that bowlers in general may not have a great time there while former cricketers like Michael Vaughan say that you might find conditions similar to the ones in the subcontinent. Chahal, however, prefers to wait and watch.

“Last year it was a spinning wicket. But that was only last year and we will get to know for sure only when we reach there. Once we do, we have got two weeks to prepare,” he said.

When a Dhoni-led Indian team went to Australia in 2015 in an attempt to become the third team after West Indies and Australia to defend a World Cup title, Chahal’s was an obscure name, one of the many grinding away in the Indian domestic circuit in the hope of donning the iconic blue of the national team. Four years later, he is one of India’s biggest weapons as they look to win a third title.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...hahal-india-icc-cricket-world-cup-2019-844812
 
Incredible bowling by Chahal - SA on their knees.
 
This KulCha won’t get digested so easily.

These two have made our bowling line-up more attacking.

We used to use our spinners to hold the run flow now we can use them strategically to take wickets
 
So far in the WC:

Chahal: 11 wickets @ 34.45 with an economy of 5.92.
Kuldeep: 6 wickets @ 56.16, econ 5.02.

Kuldeep has struggled a lot.
 
You have to give them credit for keep on going when things haven't gone well and for looking to improve. Also a lot of credit to Kohli for backing them and willing to take a chance with them. They are number 11s with the bats and aren't standouts in the field. But if they do their job , India will win a lot of games.
 
This is why in edgebaston kohli cried about small boundaries, both conceded total 160 runs in 20 overs.

Giv small boundaries and flat wickets both lose their mojo.
 
This is why in edgebaston kohli cried about small boundaries, both conceded total 160 runs in 20 overs.

Giv small boundaries and flat wickets both lose their mojo.

True. But that applies to all spinners in the world cup.
 
This is why in edgebaston kohli cried about small boundaries, both conceded total 160 runs in 20 overs.

Giv small boundaries and flat wickets both lose their mojo.

Can we compare with other spinners and their contribution.

barbar dismissal is ball of millennium.
 
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