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This is the AGP report on the Sindh govt in 2017/18
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]
You will love this, the Sindh govt steals from a poor population, including the zakat money. Obviously this is $3bn stolen in that year is not a problem.



 
This thread will disappear soon from front page because PPP supporters and corruption lovers are not gonna show their face here...
 
This thread will disappear soon from front page because PPP supporters and corruption lovers are not gonna show their face here...

They wouldn't dare. These guys that pontificate on the PTI performance but can't even bring themselves to utter a word of condemnation on the industrial scale Corruption of the previously competent but since yesterday incompetent crooks
 
They wouldn't dare. These guys that pontificate on the PTI performance but can't even bring themselves to utter a word of condemnation on the industrial scale Corruption of the previously competent but since yesterday incompetent crooks

Because PPP is corrupt and competent :))
 
Dont expect anything different

Is our expectations so low that we allow blatant criminality from these Crooks to be the norm. This is quite incredible amounts with which real Peoples lives could have been changed. Where are you [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], is stealing $3bn still not a problem?
 
So stealing from the poor to feed Billo,daddy, auntie and their cabal of crooks is normal? And then some tell us that they are competent ( although that Changed yesterday after a humiliating climb down)

Spare me the B.S. Never said it was normal. Ppl stealing money is not normal. But professional criminals stealing money is hardly surprising.
 
Spare me the B.S. Never said it was normal. Ppl stealing money is not normal. But professional criminals stealing money is hardly surprising.

It's not a Sports result, this is a mater of life and death in parts of Sindh( Thar). You were more outraged by my perceived misinterpretation than you were about the billions stolen from the weakest, so maybe take a closer at your values.
 
It's not a Sports result, this is a mater of life and death in parts of Sindh( Thar). You were more outraged by my perceived misinterpretation than you were about the billions stolen from the weakest, so maybe take a closer at your values.

So tell me, does this news surprise you?
 
Focusing on the wrong issues as usual. Keep talking about corruption and the country will never make an inch of progress. We need to develop competencies first, which is a greater priority. Economic development can be achieved in spite of corruption, but it is critical to have competency.

A more pertinent discourse would be to examine why PPP's policies and reforms have failed in Sindh, and what do they - or another government for that matter - need to learn from their past mistakes. The answer to this question does not lie in their corruption.
 
Focusing on the wrong issues as usual. Keep talking about corruption and the country will never make an inch of progress. We need to develop competencies first, which is a greater priority. Economic development can be achieved in spite of corruption, but it is critical to have competency.

A more pertinent discourse would be to examine why PPP's policies and reforms have failed in Sindh, and what do they - or another government for that matter - need to learn from their past mistakes. The answer to this question does not lie in their corruption.

Corruption is the issue- they steal, they hire thugs, they buy votes from a cowed populace and they stay in power. How do you progress as anything with such crooks in power?
 
The lack of reaction surprises me, not the news.

Because ppl are tired of reacting for the past 70 odd years. You get bombarded with same news all the time and you start to get business as usual response. Ultimately, its the ppl of Sindh who'll decide whether they feel the need to move on from this government in the next election cycle.
 
Because ppl are tired of reacting for the past 70 odd years. You get bombarded with same news all the time and you start to get business as usual response. Ultimately, its the ppl of Sindh who'll decide whether they feel the need to move on from this government in the next election cycle.

The people of Sindh in particular interior Sindh are cowed by these crooks and thugs and don't have the will power. They have been kept uneducated for a reason and that reason is to stay in power and steal
 
The people of Sindh in particular interior Sindh are cowed by these crooks and thugs and don't have the will power. They have been kept uneducated for a reason and that reason is to stay in power and steal

That's just a simplistic reading of the situation.
 
From what I have read Interior Sindh is on par with poorest parts of Africa, and some idiots claim that Corruption isn't a problem.

i think you've misunderstood the post. No one did say that corruption didn't play a role. Rather it was implied that, it is a symptom rather than a cause. The system has elements due to which, corruption is rampant. Unless you can weed out these elements, you can't bring down corruption.
 
i think you've misunderstood the post. No one did say that corruption didn't play a role. Rather it was implied that, it is a symptom rather than a cause. The system has elements due to which, corruption is rampant. Unless you can weed out these elements, you can't bring down corruption.

If you are saying that The system is held together by corruption then that's true, if you are not, then I got no idea what you are saying. Any system needs resources, well the resources ( billions) are stolen from the poor.
 
If you are saying that The system is held together by corruption then that's true, if you are not, then I got no idea what you are saying. Any system needs resources, well the resources ( billions) are stolen from the poor.

corruption is everywhere. But in this state, the corruption is breaking records. There should be SOME reason due to which corruption is high. Right? One needs to figure out that cause which is making the corruption itself high.

Secondly, looting from the poor doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of things. You can loot from the poor only upto an extent. After a certain period of time, poor will have nothing and when you have nothing, how can someone take something away from you?

You are viewing this issue in a very simplistic manner.
 
corruption is everywhere. But in this state, the corruption is breaking records. There should be SOME reason due to which corruption is high. Right? One needs to figure out that cause which is making the corruption itself high.

Secondly, looting from the poor doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of things. You can loot from the poor only upto an extent. After a certain period of time, poor will have nothing and when you have nothing, how can someone take something away from you?

You are viewing this issue in a very simplistic manner.

The reason Corruption is so bad in Sindh in particular and PK in general is that their is little fear of getting caught. You use an uneducated populace to do your bidding for you if by some small chance you get caught. It's not a small number, the whole elite is in on it. If you become part of elite you enjoy the largesse and defend every where telling people Corruption is not a problem, it's people fighting it are the bad guys.
Looting from the poor is easy and risk free. If by any chance you do get caught do a runner and pretend to be a victim of a conspiracy and wait for the political climate to go your way.
 
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
Billo deserves all the abuse he gets. This is theft from the poor and its a trillion rupees. And the best of it is that they will not allow an opposition member to lead the Sindh PAC

 
If the corruption is indeed real then prosecuting the culprits instead of passing on petty remarks would be a better idea. At least that's how a functioning democracy should work.
 
corruption is everywhere. But in this state, the corruption is breaking records. There should be SOME reason due to which corruption is high. Right? One needs to figure out that cause which is making the corruption itself high.

Secondly, looting from the poor doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of things. You can loot from the poor only upto an extent. After a certain period of time, poor will have nothing and when you have nothing, how can someone take something away from you?

You are viewing this issue in a very simplistic manner.

How naive.
 
If the corruption is indeed real then prosecuting the culprits instead of passing on petty remarks would be a better idea. At least that's how a functioning democracy should work.

Why do you think they are doing the Rona Dona? these disgusting animals steal from the poorest people in PK and IA they will go to jail. Did you know that they will not even allow an opposition member to head the Sindh PAC?
 
Why do you think they are doing the Rona Dona? these disgusting animals steal from the poorest people in PK and IA they will go to jail. Did you know that they will not even allow an opposition member to head the Sindh PAC?

Again, take legal recourse. I'm tired of empty rhetoric. This has been the story of the country for the past 70 years. One party accuse the other for corruption. The other cries and do the same. And the hoopla continues. Sometimes when they prosecute, investigation is botched and ppl are hanged for all the wrong reasons. I want a government, for once, do this by the book.
 
Again, take legal recourse. I'm tired of empty rhetoric. This has been the story of the country for the past 70 years. One party accuse the other for corruption. The other cries and do the same. And the hoopla continues. Sometimes when they prosecute, investigation is botched and ppl are hanged for all the wrong reasons. I want a government, for once, do this by the book.

I agree but as you well know it's not easy in PK because with the billions Stolen you can buy judges. Just look at Hamzas bail when CJ of Lahore opened on Saturday to give bail against all precedence, look at the Rona dona of the Sindh mafia when the cases were moved from SHC, why do you they were so reluctant? Which judges closed the Hudbiya case and Why?
 
A certain percentage of the zakat can be taken by the person who collected it. It is allowed. But stealing the whole percentage is just unprecedented.
 
I agree but as you well know it's not easy in PK because with the billions Stolen you can buy judges. Just look at Hamzas bail when CJ of Lahore opened on Saturday to give bail against all precedence, look at the Rona dona of the Sindh mafia when the cases were moved from SHC, why do you they were so reluctant? Which judges closed the Hudbiya case and Why?

I know its hard but doing the right thing should take president.
 
Focusing on the wrong issues as usual. Keep talking about corruption and the country will never make an inch of progress. We need to develop competencies first, which is a greater priority. Economic development can be achieved in spite of corruption, but it is critical to have competency.

A more pertinent discourse would be to examine why PPP's policies and reforms have failed in Sindh, and what do they - or another government for that matter - need to learn from their past mistakes. The answer to this question does not lie in their corruption.

The bureaucracy is the root problem. They basically govern the whole country. A civil servant will get promoted even the person does nothing or is close to politician. Compare this with corporate sector, an employee has to be productive, innovative and decision making that profits the company otherwise you are sacked.

I have seen so many of my friends wanting goverment job because of no pressure of DOING WELL.
 
The bureaucracy is the root problem. They basically govern the whole country. A civil servant will get promoted even the person does nothing or is close to politician. Compare this with corporate sector, an employee has to be productive, innovative and decision making that profits the company otherwise you are sacked.

I have seen so many of my friends wanting goverment job because of no pressure of DOING WELL.

You need to have either above average intelligence or an aptitude for immense hard work to join the civil service. An average joe is not good enough to get through the extraordinarily competitive process.

However, it is true that once you get into the system, it is extremely easy to abuse. You will climb through the ranks whether you perform well or not. I think the civil service needs a revamp in the sense that promotion has to be performance-based (not seniority) and people should get fired on frequent basis for not performing well.

Nonetheless, there is another issue that is perhaps the root cause of this problem - civil servants are paid peanuts compared to private employees.

If you are paying someone lacs of rupees per months, you expect high performance from them and failure to meet the designated goals and objectives will justify your decision to fire them.

However, when your are paying someone just about enough to meet their basic needs, how are you going to justify firing these employees?

Unless and until civil servants get a significant hike in salaries, they cannot be subjected to the same level of accountability as private sector employees.

We cannot have it both ways - we cannot expect them to be as productive as private employees when they are getting paid far less.

Not to mention, more often than not, they are smarter and have worked harder to be where they are compared to private employees. They are civil servants, not civil slaves.
 
The poor are the easiest to rob,they have no one to look after their interests

Exactly, what the rich and privileged classes don't understand is that all the perks, opulence and just the spending on the government overhead and operations is all poor's money. Even slight slip up in this area where money is spent frivolously is theft of poor.

Leave along corruption and deliberate palpable stealing of public funds.
 
A certain percentage of the zakat can be taken by the person who collected it. It is allowed. But stealing the whole percentage is just unprecedented.

Altogether they stole a trillion, that is mind boggling. Just imagine that child that starved to death or died of a lack of medicine was a son, daughter, brother or sister of yours? You would be seething and then some stuck up pr*""k tells you that Corruption isn't a problem and he thinks these crooks are competent and Billo, daddy and auntie are good people, well I just see red.
 
You need to have either above average intelligence or an aptitude for immense hard work to join the civil service. An average joe is not good enough to get through the extraordinarily competitive process.

However, it is true that once you get into the system, it is extremely easy to abuse. You will climb through the ranks whether you perform well or not. I think the civil service needs a revamp in the sense that promotion has to be performance-based (not seniority) and people should get fired on frequent basis for not performing well.

Nonetheless, there is another issue that is perhaps the root cause of this problem - civil servants are paid peanuts compared to private employees.

If you are paying someone lacs of rupees per months, you expect high performance from them and failure to meet the designated goals and objectives will justify your decision to fire them.

However, when your are paying someone just about enough to meet their basic needs, how are you going to justify firing these employees?

Unless and until civil servants get a significant hike in salaries, they cannot be subjected to the same level of accountability as private sector employees.

We cannot have it both ways - we cannot expect them to be as productive as private employees when they are getting paid far less.

Not to mention, more often than not, they are smarter and have worked harder to be where they are compared to private employees. They are civil servants, not civil slaves.

I had a long discussion with former civil servant and yes he said the best people pass CSS, even people graduating from havard or yale. He told me that the problem lies with new enterant do not show any growth after joining civil services. The methodologies are outdated.

My suggestion would be new entertant to join private sector for a year or two, some kind of partnership with private sector to get these kids to know the real stuff, espesically DMG/PAS. The promotion of civil servants has to be rigorous, they are suppose to serve the nation.

Something has to done otherwise change of political party won't bring any change.
 
I had a long discussion with former civil servant and yes he said the best people pass CSS, even people graduating from havard or yale. He told me that the problem lies with new enterant do not show any growth after joining civil services. The methodologies are outdated.

My suggestion would be new entertant to join private sector for a year or two, some kind of partnership with private sector to get these kids to know the real stuff, espesically DMG/PAS. The promotion of civil servants has to be rigorous, they are suppose to serve the nation.

Something has to done otherwise change of political party won't bring any change.

How many civil servants join to serve, how many join to enjoy the largesse at the expense of the poor taxpayer? I would say 90% join because they hear about how much can be made through Corruption.
 
Altogether they stole a trillion, that is mind boggling. Just imagine that child that starved to death or died of a lack of medicine was a son, daughter, brother or sister of yours? You would be seething and then some stuck up pr*""k tells you that Corruption isn't a problem and he thinks these crooks are competent and Billo, daddy and auntie are good people, well I just see red.

It is mind boggling.
 
Nothing mindboggling about these amounts, everyone knows full well the reality of these badniyat parties. No one has the balls to do anything about it except for IK.
 
How do you do the right thing when the LHC, IHC and SHC are Corrupt to the core? This is a mafia and Justice ISA in the SC is just as bent

Not all judges are corrupt. We are talking about the same judges who disqualified Nawaz Sharif. If you think Nawaz Sharif was guilty, then at least some judges are doing their job.
 
There’s a reason why the PPP is hated in its own backyard
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The poll is skewed in favour of Urban Sindhi population. The '98 census suggests that in Sindh 61% population speak Sindhi and only 21% population speak Urdu. However, the data in the poll shows 12 percent Sindhis and 10 percent Urdu speaking people polling. In short, Urdu speaking people have disproportionately higher representation in the data which only goes against PPP's approval ratings in the poll.
 
Not all judges are corrupt. We are talking about the same judges who disqualified Nawaz Sharif. If you think Nawaz Sharif was guilty, then at least some judges are doing their job.

Bar the few in the SC, the PK judiciary is Corrupt. The SHC is Corrupt, and we already know about IHC and LHC
 
The poll is skewed in favour of Urban Sindhi population. The '98 census suggests that in Sindh 61% population speak Sindhi and only 21% population speak Urdu. However, the data in the poll shows 12 percent Sindhis and 10 percent Urdu speaking people polling. In short, Urdu speaking people have disproportionately higher representation in the data which only goes against PPP's approval ratings in the poll.

Sure let’s engage with this:
- I also love to quote 1998 census when the 2017 census is available and used by all national institutes in policy setting
- you have wrongly assumed that the language split is for Sindh, where as the sample shows national split of language (and is largely accurate). You don’t know what the split is province you are assuming all the Urdu speaking are bundled in Sindh
- I could give you the language split by province in 2017 to show you how this research sampling makes sense, but given you used a 20 year old census vs the most recent one, I am not sure you approached this issue with intellectual honesty
 
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Sure let’s engage with this:
- I also love to quote 1998 census when the 2017 census is available and used by all national institutes in policy setting
- you have wrongly assumed that the language split is for Sindh, where as the sample shows national split of language (and is largely accurate). You don’t know what the split is province you are assuming all the Urdu speaking are bundled in Sindh
- I could give you the language split by province in 2017 to show you how this research sampling makes sense, but given you used a 20 year old census vs the most recent one, I am not sure you approached this issue with intellectual honesty


I’m referring to ‘98 census because of the disputed nature of the latest one. Sure, you can provide details of the latest census but ppl, especially those in urban Sindh, question the validity of 2017 census.
 
I’m referring to ‘98 census because of the disputed nature of the latest one. Sure, you can provide details of the latest census but ppl, especially those in urban Sindh, question the validity of 2017 census.

Please feel free to access the SBP statistical website for national representation first language. Even if you ignore 2017 census, your critique of this research sample is fundamentally wrong.
You wrongly ascribe it’s language splits to Sindh whereas it is talking about national sample. It make no mention of what is the language split by province.
 
Billo seems to be on tv alot these days, when will someone challenge this loser to explain that under his watch in Sindh a trillion rupees have been stolen by his family and accomplices
 
Another huge scandal has emerged in Sindh after over 1Arab 20 lakh worth of wheat has been stolen from govt Warehouses.
Can the mods edit the video please
 
Please feel free to access the SBP statistical website for national representation first language. Even if you ignore 2017 census, your critique of this research sample is fundamentally wrong.
You wrongly ascribe it’s language splits to Sindh whereas it is talking about national sample. It make no mention of what is the language split by province.

Either way, we don't have enough details on the demographic makeup of the polls specifically related to Sindh. So I'm only left with speculation.
 
Unless and until civil servants get a significant hike in salaries, they cannot be subjected to the same level of accountability as private sector employees.
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Please do read again what you just said.

This thought process is the real problem.

The Nawaz Shareefs and the Zardaris were already billionaires then how come they continued with corruption? As per your logic they should have stopped...
 
Please do read again what you just said.

This thought process is the real problem.

The Nawaz Shareefs and the Zardaris were already billionaires then how come they continued with corruption? As per your logic they should have stopped...

Can you please edit the video​ to just show the report just the billions Stolen in Sindh.
 
Please do read again what you just said.

This thought process is the real problem.

The Nawaz Shareefs and the Zardaris were already billionaires then how come they continued with corruption? As per your logic they should have stopped...

There is a difference between the corruption of politicians and the corruption of civil servants. When you are greedy, you can be the richest man in the world but you will still like to have more money.

Nawaz Sharif's father was one of the richest industrialists in the country before Nawaz entered politics, and Zardari was the son of a landlord and a successful film distributor, although he also made money illegally when he joined politics.

My point is that Nawaz and Zardari didn't need to do a penny of corruption to live luxuriously, but they were slaves to their greed. These type of people exist in our bureaucracy as well, but there is also a signficant population who are not driven by greed but rather by necessity.

There are many, many civil servants who have no intention of doing corruption when they join the civil service, and they maintain their honesty for many years before coming to terms with the dark realities. Some times, you have to do favours for your higher ups and if you don't, you will be posted to some remote area as punishment.

Also, as you rise through the ranks, you achieve a certain status in society. Your social life changes, your wife starts to befriending rich people and you want your children to go to the best private schools. Eventually, because of the pressures of maintaining a certain lifestyle, you are left with no choice but make some money under the table.

Then there are people who come from poor backgrounds and by the time they are only 10 years from retirement, they realise that they barely have any savings for their retired life and to pass it on to their children when they die. What do you expect them to do in this situation?

It is very easy for people to sit in western countries, enjoy a high standard of living and make good money through legal channels and then pass judgements on how corruption is not justifiable in any circumstances and how it is the root of all evils etc.

The verdicts of these people on their high horses mean nothing because their morality has not been tested. When you are in a position of power and have the opportunity to make money without getting caught and you don't, then and only then do you have the right to speak against corruption.

Corruption due to poor greed can never be eliminated, but corruption that is driven by other factors can be minimised if their salaries are comparable to the private sector. As long as our civil servants are paid very little in spite of their efforts to be where they are today, the corruption in bureaucracy will always be there. Ultimately, it is a systematic failure and pointing fingers at individuals will not change anything.
 
There is a difference between the corruption of politicians and the corruption of civil servants. When you are greedy, you can be the richest man in the world but you will still like to have more money.

Nawaz Sharif's father was one of the richest industrialists in the country before Nawaz entered politics, and Zardari was the son of a landlord and a successful film distributor, although he also made money illegally when he joined politics.

My point is that Nawaz and Zardari didn't need to do a penny of corruption to live luxuriously, but they were slaves to their greed. These type of people exist in our bureaucracy as well, but there is also a signficant population who are not driven by greed but rather by necessity.

There are many, many civil servants who have no intention of doing corruption when they join the civil service, and they maintain their honesty for many years before coming to terms with the dark realities. Some times, you have to do favours for your higher ups and if you don't, you will be posted to some remote area as punishment.

Also, as you rise through the ranks, you achieve a certain status in society. Your social life changes, your wife starts to befriending rich people and you want your children to go to the best private schools. Eventually, because of the pressures of maintaining a certain lifestyle, you are left with no choice but make some money under the table.

Then there are people who come from poor backgrounds and by the time they are only 10 years from retirement, they realise that they barely have any savings for their retired life and to pass it on to their children when they die. What do you expect them to do in this situation?

It is very easy for people to sit in western countries, enjoy a high standard of living and make good money through legal channels and then pass judgements on how corruption is not justifiable in any circumstances and how it is the root of all evils etc.

The verdicts of these people on their high horses mean nothing because their morality has not been tested. When you are in a position of power and have the opportunity to make money without getting caught and you don't, then and only then do you have the right to speak against corruption.

Corruption due to poor greed can never be eliminated, but corruption that is driven by other factors can be minimised if their salaries are comparable to the private sector. As long as our civil servants are paid very little in spite of their efforts to be where they are today, the corruption in bureaucracy will always be there. Ultimately, it is a systematic failure and pointing fingers at individuals will not change anything.

But you are happy to vote for AZ, BILLO, NS, SS, MARYAM et.
 
But you are happy to vote for AZ, BILLO, NS, SS, MARYAM et.

I have voted twice in my life and both times it was for PTI.

I don’t care about corruption because it is not a major stumbling block on the road to economic development.

Since all available options including PTI are incompetent, I am happy to vote for any party that is presently not in bed with the military, which is why I have decided to vote for PPP in the coming elections unless things change drastically.
 
I have voted twice in my life and both times it was for PTI.

I don’t care about corruption because it is not a major stumbling block on the road to economic development.

Since all available options including PTI are incompetent, I am happy to vote for any party that is presently not in bed with the military, which is why I have decided to vote for PPP in the coming elections unless things change drastically.

Its a disgusting cop out and not really surprising- 1 trillion Rupees have been stolen by the PPP in the last 10 years and its not a problem? I am sure those children whose futures have been stolen or those parents that have had children that die in Sindh will be pleased to hear that you didnt think it was problem. Are you really a Doctor? Because you have to be one crooked Doc to be so heartless!
 
[MENTION=2071]saadibaba[/MENTION]. These disgusting crooks steal from the poorest in PK, and you support them. Ghulami !
 
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