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Renowned is a stretch. Is he a top 100 physcist in the world? i dont think so.

Pervex Hoodbhoy is quite renowned. He is the most known physicist in Pakistan.

Regarding the post itself, this is indeed quite alarming. I was initially excited at the prospect but I will now do more research to validate the arguments made in this article.
 
Pervex Hoodbhoy is quite renowned. He is the most known physicist in Pakistan.

Regarding the post itself, this is indeed quite alarming. I was initially excited at the prospect but I will now do more research to validate the arguments made in this article.

Most known current physicist.
 
Minister for Federal Education and Professional Training Shafqat Mahmood Wednesday said there was no confusion on the mode of language for the single national curriculum.

The teachers would teach in the same language in which a student feels comfortable to learn, he said while chairing 3rd meeting of National Curriculum Council held here at ministry.

https://nation.com.pk/23-Jul-2020/no-confusion-on-mode-of-language-for-single-national-curriculum

Huge improvement, letting children learn in the language they are most comfortable with.
 
Pervex Hoodbhoy is quite renowned. He is the most known physicist in Pakistan.

Regarding the post itself, this is indeed quite alarming. I was initially excited at the prospect but I will now do more research to validate the arguments made in this article.

Every government does education reforms. Most flop, and time will tell whether this one will as well.

But look at the language he is using

"But this morally attractive idea has been hijacked, corrupted, mutilated and beaten out of shape by those near-sighted persons now holding Pakistan’s future in their hands, and who, like their boss, kowtow to the madressah establishment."

"BE prepared, Pakistan! Imran Khan’s government is poised to inflict damage upon this country’s education system in a manner never seen before."

By making Imran Khan sound like the devil reincarnated, he has lowered his credibility, and he sounds like a bitter ex.
 
Every government does education reforms. Most flop, and time will tell whether this one will as well.

But look at the language he is using

"But this morally attractive idea has been hijacked, corrupted, mutilated and beaten out of shape by those near-sighted persons now holding Pakistan’s future in their hands, and who, like their boss, kowtow to the madressah establishment."

"BE prepared, Pakistan! Imran Khan’s government is poised to inflict damage upon this country’s education system in a manner never seen before."

By making Imran Khan sound like the devil reincarnated, he has lowered his credibility, and he sounds like a bitter ex.

Tbvh I don’t really care what he says or doesn’t and how he says it. I’m more concerned with the plan itself. Sometimes people make correct deductions in emotional ways and incorrect deductions in objective manners. And yes, he is indeed lowering credibility (I had much respect for him previously).

So I will cross check his argument now and see which “columns” he is referring to — if indeed the education plan is incorporating a much greater level of Islamization and rote-learning than seen in previous curriculums then it is indeed alarming.
 
A great article and why I think this whole idea is a farce. Instead of actually advancing science and critical thinking, they will push back on the science and even other courses being taught right now to incorporate a diverse set of backgrounds.

I am not against teaching religion or choosing it as a career, no one should be. But it has no business at all in a science classroom. And this is what I am afraid will end up happening more so than it already is. And such choices shouldn't harm others who want it persue different careers, which it will inevitably.

A much better approach would be improve the standard of education in Madrassas gradually and bring them up to par with the modern world, separately. Instead of bringing down the level of education for the rest of the schools.

If they actually manage to get the students on board from primary classes and teach them science, it will be a game changer, I agree. But that is not what is happening.
 
Uncle saab, go worry about Hong Kong. Writing from those overpriced shoebox apartments in Kow Loon about Pakistan is hillarious, you're literally in a war zone.
 
Uncle saab, go worry about Hong Kong. Writing from those overpriced shoebox apartments in Kow Loon about Pakistan is hillarious, you're literally in a war zone.

Like how you have the liberty to post whatever you want, I,too, have the same liberty. Please do not get your knickers in a twist!!

I know, Pakistan is much better than Hong Kong in every metric. No comparison! Lumber one mulk!
 
Every government does education reforms. Most flop, and time will tell whether this one will as well.

But look at the language he is using

"But this morally attractive idea has been hijacked, corrupted, mutilated and beaten out of shape by those near-sighted persons now holding Pakistan’s future in their hands, and who, like their boss, kowtow to the madressah establishment."

"BE prepared, Pakistan! Imran Khan’s government is poised to inflict damage upon this country’s education system in a manner never seen before."

By making Imran Khan sound like the devil reincarnated, he has lowered his credibility, and he sounds like a bitter ex.

What is the issue here? Are you jealous of Dr Pervez's diction?
 
A great article and why I think this whole idea is a farce. Instead of actually advancing science and critical thinking, they will push back on the science and even other courses being taught right now to incorporate a diverse set of backgrounds.

I am not against teaching religion or choosing it as a career, no one should be. But it has no business at all in a science classroom. And this is what I am afraid will end up happening more so than it already is. And such choices shouldn't harm others who want it persue different careers, which it will inevitably.

A much better approach would be improve the standard of education in Madrassas gradually and bring them up to par with the modern world, separately. Instead of bringing down the level of education for the rest of the schools.

If they actually manage to get the students on board from primary classes and teach them science, it will be a game changer, I agree. But that is not what is happening.

Apparently, the government is dumbing down the curriculum so as to cater for students from substandard government schools and religious backgrounds. In addition, it is also adding a significant amount of religious education at the expense of science.

The PTI government needs to improve education infrastructure. Without proper infrastructure, even a good curriculum is not much helpful. Most government schools in Punjab do not have furniture, boundary walls, computers, drinking water and enough manpower. What has the government done to improve the teaching and learning environment in Punjab and elsewhere?

I hope this whole exercise does not turn out to be a big gimmick!!
 
Some posters are just critical of what ever the current government does. They have an agenda. How can you judge reforms that have not even been implemented? And the judgement is based on a OTT article.
 
The Punjab government has made teaching of the Holy Quran compulsory at the college and university level. Without passing the required examination no student will be able to get a BA, BSc, BE, ME, MA, MSc, MPhil, PhD or medical degree.

A google search suggested Imran's party is ruling here.

If the rest of the article is true, it would seem like IK has one face at home and another for the world, especially for one of his neighbours.

This article reminded me of Moral Science in school. A friend of mine who was an atheist long before the rest of us had the guts to even consider it, filled his 10th Moral Science paper with just one line:

I don't believe in God.

He got a 0/100 :))
 
A google search suggested Imran's party is ruling here.

If the rest of the article is true, it would seem like IK has one face at home and another for the world, especially for one of his neighbours.

This article reminded me of Moral Science in school. A friend of mine who was an atheist long before the rest of us had the guts to even consider it, filled his 10th Moral Science paper with just one line:

I don't believe in God.

He got a 0/100 :))

Imran Khan is in power in Punjab!!He always pleases religious elements at home!!
 
so youve posted Hoodbhoys alarmist nonsense without the response from the PTI government. Why dont you post the actual official proposal and guidlines posted by teh govt in the public domain? This is how bankrupt these lying secularists are.

firstly teaching the quraan should be a neccessity in a Muslim society. It is our deen not the extremists and the teaching of the quraan will allow greater understanding if its anti racist and peaceful message thus reducing extremism. Remember if you disqon your deen others will own it. As happened with the TTP.

Secondly the curriculum is getting rid of rote learning and introducing critical thinking from a young age.

thirdly they are revamping the way Maths and english are taught which is a positive step

there are other subjects that they are introducing e.g. the teaching of IT and the use of tech from a young age. They are also looking to get the certificate ratified by international standards so our degrees and school certificates become recognised internationally.

but lets listen to Hoodbhoy instead..
 
A google search suggested Imran's party is ruling here.

If the rest of the article is true, it would seem like IK has one face at home and another for the world, especially for one of his neighbours.

This article reminded me of Moral Science in school. A friend of mine who was an atheist long before the rest of us had the guts to even consider it, filled his 10th Moral Science paper with just one line:

I don't believe in God.

He got a 0/100 :))

You have no idea whats happening. All you want to do is reaffirm your own prejudice against Muslims that is in your subconcious. You see the word Quran, School and you actually interpret that as crazy Muslim with a bomb.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was part of the curriculum writing process, as were 70 other experts from all four provinces, AJK and GB. Plus private schools & madrasahs, all made this curriculum together over a few months.<br><br>This article has several errors presented as fact. Sad.<a href="https://twitter.com/AsadAToor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AsadAToor</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Shafqat_Mahmood?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Shafqat_Mahmood</a> <a href="https://t.co/VwxKCvVdfe">https://t.co/VwxKCvVdfe</a></p>— Mariam Chughtai (@MariamChughtai) <a href="https://twitter.com/MariamChughtai/status/1284433590382661632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

^ This lady has a Doctorate from Harvard in Education.


I'm impressed how top notch talent was brought together to draft the new curriculum.

This was in relation to the Hoodhboy article above.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Join us for an important discussion on the education reforms by the PTI. Join Pervez Hoodhboy as he discusses the changes with <a href="https://twitter.com/MariamChughtai?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MariamChughtai</a> member of the National Curriculum Council and Assistant Prof <a href="https://twitter.com/LUMS_SOE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LUMS_SOE</a>. Activist <a href="https://twitter.com/sehartariq?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sehartariq</a> will moderate.<a href="https://t.co/TutTp9K4xo">https://t.co/TutTp9K4xo</a> <a href="https://t.co/3pGaprOqY3">pic.twitter.com/3pGaprOqY3</a></p>— ThinkFest Pakistan (@ThinkFestPK) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThinkFestPK/status/1286596822098751488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Join us for an important discussion on the education reforms by the PTI. Join Pervez Hoodhboy as he discusses the changes with <a href="https://twitter.com/MariamChughtai?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MariamChughtai</a> member of the National Curriculum Council and Assistant Prof <a href="https://twitter.com/LUMS_SOE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LUMS_SOE</a>. Activist <a href="https://twitter.com/sehartariq?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sehartariq</a> will moderate.<a href="https://t.co/TutTp9K4xo">https://t.co/TutTp9K4xo</a> <a href="https://t.co/3pGaprOqY3">pic.twitter.com/3pGaprOqY3</a></p>— ThinkFest Pakistan (@ThinkFestPK) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThinkFestPK/status/1286596822098751488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

this will be a good debate..
 
Hoodbhoy's bogus article with half truths and lies has already been exposed by Shafqat Mahmood and Marium Chugtai but trust PP experts to keep harping about the article rather than reading the response.


Btw Marium Chugtai is a doctorate in education from Harvard and a member of the committee forming the new curriculum. She is more qualified to talk on curriculums then a person like Pervaiz Hoodbhoy. I'm a software engineer and a mechanical engineer but you won't see me giving expert opinion on civil engineering because it is not my area of expertise even though they fall under the umbrella of engineering, maybe Hoodbhoy should stick to what he knows best.


Btw I had already posted the skeleton of the curriculum shared by education minister in this thread but posters chose to ignore that and instead decided to lap up Hoodbhoy's interpretation of it. For the benefit of objective posters I'm sharing it again. Please read through it its only 5 pages. May make you look better than the uninformed 'keyboard expert' you lot are looking like right now.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am sharing some basics of the single national curriculum for study and comments. For detailed response kindly send to: sncpakistan2020@gmail.com <a href="https://t.co/dzBanN0ew8">pic.twitter.com/dzBanN0ew8</a></p>— Shafqat Mahmood (@Shafqat_Mahmood) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shafqat_Mahmood/status/1284744110616858625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Some posters are just critical of what ever the current government does. They have an agenda. How can you judge reforms that have not even been implemented? And the judgement is based on a OTT article.

Kids in Sindh are still being taught about floppy disk and Windows 98 but God forbid IK the devil spawn attempt to bring the entire country upto the same level.


I think the issue these elite class experts have is that now a poor man's child will be able to attain the same level of education their children get and hence the elite's hegemony over the country's resources will reduce over time. This is the biggest issue in my opinion. How dare the poor slaves advance their lives they are born to be overruled by the liberal elite.
 
Would love it if someone can summarize the difference between what exists in the Pakistani education system today and what changes the PTI is proposing to implement? Pros and Cons e.t.c.
 
Would love it if someone can summarize the difference between what exists in the Pakistani education system today and what changes the PTI is proposing to implement? Pros and Cons e.t.c.

In crux there are three main systems English medium, Urdu medium and madrassas. English medium has further sub division of private schools with O/A Levels administered by Cambridge University and public/private schools with matric/inter. Urdu medium students also sit for matric/inter exams. The only difference between Urdu and English medium is the medium of instruction from 1-12 is Urdu/English. I'm not sure if madrassas currently have their own examinations or their students give the local matric/inter.


If I understand correctly the elite private schools will continue to have O/A level exams but what they will be taught would be the national curriculum and not the one given by Cambridge. However, to keep the quality Cambridge is also involved in making of the new curriculum. O/A level students will have to give local exams as well.
 
Good to see that the last vestiges of colonialism in the form of O/A levels are being done away with and more national curriculum being designed.
 
First time in the history of Pakistan we have a govt that is doing something for Education. If you want to build a successful nation, improve the education system.
 
In crux there are three main systems English medium, Urdu medium and madrassas. English medium has further sub division of private schools with O/A Levels administered by Cambridge University and public/private schools with matric/inter. Urdu medium students also sit for matric/inter exams. The only difference between Urdu and English medium is the medium of instruction from 1-12 is Urdu/English. I'm not sure if madrassas currently have their own examinations or their students give the local matric/inter.


If I understand correctly the elite private schools will continue to have O/A level exams but what they will be taught would be the national curriculum and not the one given by Cambridge. However, to keep the quality Cambridge is also involved in making of the new curriculum. O/A level students will have to give local exams as well.

I guess thats not a bad thing. I think our middle class, upper middle class, rich, educated classes should be indoctrinated on subjects to the point where they are influenced to be patriotic and to think about the country rather than just aiming to use their education as a vehicle to study abroad and immigrate abroad for their careers.

The real aim of the education reforms should be to upgrade the govt schools, colleges, inter/matric, madrassa students so that they can reach the level of the O/A level systems and for to aim to have students enrolling in subjects, degrees or learning skills that are vital necessary for Pakistan's economic growth in the future.

India did this in the 90's while they were going through a tough economic slump and now look at the returns they have achieved in the next 20-30 years in the form of the massive amount of billionaires in their country, they have found ways to monetize their population, the boom in IT exports.

Pakistan needs visionary leaders to think like this, not like the Sharif's and Zardari's who do nothing but indulge in looting as much resources as possible today.
 
Would love it if someone can summarize the difference between what exists in the Pakistani education system today and what changes the PTI is proposing to implement? Pros and Cons e.t.c.

The debate between Hoodhboy and Mariam Chughtai will be a good place to hear the pros and cons of the debate.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Join us for an important discussion on the education reforms by the PTI. Join Pervez Hoodhboy as he discusses the changes with <a href="https://twitter.com/MariamChughtai?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MariamChughtai</a> member of the National Curriculum Council and Assistant Prof <a href="https://twitter.com/LUMS_SOE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LUMS_SOE</a>. Activist <a href="https://twitter.com/sehartariq?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sehartariq</a> will moderate.<a href="https://t.co/TutTp9K4xo">https://t.co/TutTp9K4xo</a> <a href="https://t.co/3pGaprOqY3">pic.twitter.com/3pGaprOqY3</a></p>— ThinkFest Pakistan (@ThinkFestPK) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThinkFestPK/status/1286596822098751488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
A google search suggested Imran's party is ruling here.

If the rest of the article is true, it would seem like IK has one face at home and another for the world, especially for one of his neighbours.

This article reminded me of Moral Science in school. A friend of mine who was an atheist long before the rest of us had the guts to even consider it, filled his 10th Moral Science paper with just one line:

I don't believe in God.

He got a 0/100 :))

The requirement to study the Quran in university is a One Credit Course. You can make an argument that even one credit is too much, as its not relevant. However Hoodboy is doing some serious exaggeration here by stating this

"Still bigger changes are around the corner. The Punjab government has made teaching of the Holy Quran compulsory at the college and university level. Without passing the required examination no student will be able to get a BA, BSc, BE, ME, MA, MSc, MPhil, PhD or medical degree. Even the Zia regime did not have such blanket requirements. To get a university teaching job in the 1980s, you had to name all the wives of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and recite some difficult religious passages such as Dua-i-Qunoot. Still, students could get degrees without that. That option is now closed."

One credit course will not make a student a mullah. In fact for most students it will be an easy class, because the limited knowledge you can get in a one credit course is stuff that they already know.
 
These liberal elite types, burger kids from LGS KGS do not like the idea of lowly boys and girls from madaris-government schools studying the same same books and syllabus as them.

It is interesting to see that enlightened liberal brigade is the one resisting change instead of traditional mullahs from madaris. I was expecting the opposite.
 
These liberal elite types, burger kids from LGS KGS do not like the idea of lowly boys and girls from madaris-government schools studying the same same books and syllabus as them.

It is interesting to see that enlightened liberal brigade is the one resisting change instead of traditional mullahs from madaris. I was expecting the opposite.

No issues with them studying the same material, only issue is that there should be no infestation of their mailaipan and small town mentality thinking. We do not want to ruin the standards and quality of the only educational institutions in Pakistan doing a good job. Bhutto made the same mistake with his nationalization policies and took back out economy decades which we are still to recover from. Had Ayub Khan's policies continued uninterrupted, Pakistan would have had many people in the Forbes list today.
 
These liberal elite types, burger kids from LGS KGS do not like the idea of lowly boys and girls from madaris-government schools studying the same same books and syllabus as them.

It is interesting to see that enlightened liberal brigade is the one resisting change instead of traditional mullahs from madaris. I was expecting the opposite.

These brown sahibs have an issue that the poor man will have a means to advance their life and not be enslaved to them for generations. Just look at some of the posts on this thread. Mind blowing.


They were so accustomed to their elite class lifestyle that they are wetting their diapers that a ghareeb ka bacha will now have the same opportunities as them.
 
No issues with them studying the same material, only issue is that there should be no infestation of their mailaipan and small town mentality thinking. We do not want to ruin the standards and quality of the only educational institutions in Pakistan doing a good job. Bhutto made the same mistake with his nationalization policies and took back out economy decades which we are still to recover from. Had Ayub Khan's policies continued uninterrupted, Pakistan would have had many people in the Forbes list today.

So far I have not seen anything in proposed curriculum that will allow the 'mailapan' to seep through unless you consider learning about Quran as such.
The whole purpose of this exercise is to raise the standards of madaris-government schools, to cleanse of there 'meil' and to reduce burgerism in elite schools.
 
These brown sahibs have an issue that the poor man will have a means to advance their life and not be enslaved to them for generations. Just look at some of the posts on this thread. Mind blowing.


They were so accustomed to their elite class lifestyle that they are wetting their diapers that a ghareeb ka bacha will now have the same opportunities as them.

Yes thats there real issue.

Btw, biggest challenge that this government will face is the proper implementation of this curriculum. Our teachers are not good enough to take this system forward. I have studied in a public school and I cannot imagine the teachers there promoting critical thinking. They hardly know what it means.

An educational curriculum is only as good as the teachers using it. This is something that must be looked into.
 
The requirement to study the Quran in university is a One Credit Course. You can make an argument that even one credit is too much, as its not relevant.

One credit course will not make a student a mullah. In fact for most students it will be an easy class, because the limited knowledge you can get in a one credit course is stuff that they already know.

That sounds fair for an Islamic Republic. I was surprised to read MA Jinnah's thoughts on Islam and Pakistan on Wiki now. For some reason thought Pak had started off right from the beginning as an Islamic country.

One question. And this is not a troll. So what happens to a non-Muslim student in Punjab who wants to study beyond just school.
 
That sounds fair for an Islamic Republic. I was surprised to read MA Jinnah's thoughts on Islam and Pakistan on Wiki now. For some reason thought Pak had started off right from the beginning as an Islamic country.

One question. And this is not a troll. So what happens to a non-Muslim student in Punjab who wants to study beyond just school.


As a substitute, the non-Muslim students may be offered the subject of Ethics.

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pak...-for-university-students-in-punjab-1.72051304
 
That sounds fair for an Islamic Republic. I was surprised to read MA Jinnah's thoughts on Islam and Pakistan on Wiki now. For some reason thought Pak had started off right from the beginning as an Islamic country.

One question. And this is not a troll. So what happens to a non-Muslim student in Punjab who wants to study beyond just school.

Jinnah was secular. If he had lived longer Pakistan would have been a secular country, with only the symbols of the state reflecting the Muslim heritage of the subcontinent. Kind of like how Israel is secular, but its symbols reflect Jewish history. And like India which is also secular, whose state symbols reflect the non Muslim heritage of the subcontinent for the most part.

The Islamist parties have never won an election in Pakistan at the federal level. They have street power, not electoral power. However with that street power they were able to get alcohol banned for Muslims, get night clubs closed, and get Ahmadis declared non Muslim. Then Zia happened, and his policies led to a significant increase in radicalism. Since the Musharraf era Pakistan has been slowly getting more liberal, and they have made decent progress, but there is still a long way to go, to make Pakistan like it was in the 60's.
 
Kind of like how Israel is secular, but its symbols reflect Jewish history. And like India which is also secular, whose state symbols reflect the non Muslim heritage of the subcontinent for the most part.

Not sure about Israel.

But on India, that's something I've found funny about the 'Hindus are in danger' tale. An Indian's everyday life is surrounded by Hindu themes and motifs and most people irrespective of their affiliations haven't thought one moment about this as being oppressive or unfair.
 
^^ My good friend [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] will be glad to know there apparently is even a Muslim version of the Ramayana in the South, specifically Kerala :kp

Since he's always concerned about the prevalence of Lord Rama in the South.
 
Not sure about Israel.

But on India, that's something I've found funny about the 'Hindus are in danger' tale. An Indian's everyday life is surrounded by Hindu themes and motifs and most people irrespective of their affiliations haven't thought one moment about this as being oppressive or unfair.

Hindus were in danger for most part of india's history, but ever since the Hindu Renaissance starting in 2014, we Hindus ARE the danger for those who oppressed us.
 
^^ My good friend [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] will be glad to know there apparently is even a Muslim version of the Ramayana in the South, specifically Kerala :kp

Since he's always concerned about the prevalence of Lord Rama in the South.

This discussion is going way beyond the scope of this thread :moha
 
Legislation soon to make teaching licence mandatory in Punjab

LAHORE: The government has decided to introduce teaching licences and a bill to the effect will be tabled in the Punjab Assembly soon, says Education Minister Murad Raas.

“Like doctors and engineers, teachers will also be registered and a law to the effect will be shortly laid before the Punjab Assembly,” the minister said while summing up debate on education in the house here on Friday.

He said the initiative would provide better employment opportunities to teachers in other countries.

He informed the lawmakers that the proposed law would also tackle harassment of students and teaching staff at private schools.

He also claimed that after online registration of 60,000 private schools post-Eidul Azha, the role of money and sifarish (recommendation) would be abolished. He lamented that technology was never used in governing educational institutions by previous governments.

Mr Rass said when he took charge of the portfolio, he thought as if he had been assigned the task of transfer minister as there was a huge load of transfer applications pending for years. He said the PML-N ruled the province for 10 consecutive years but didn’t develop any system to regularize transfers in the education sector.

He said the PTI government developed an App without any cost and thus 22,000 transfer cases were settled to the satisfaction of parents of women teachers with only 23 complaints.

The minister said that 70 per cent students give up learning after clearing primary only because of lack of middle schools in their neighbourhoods. He said at least 100,000 students were brought back to schooling by upgrading 1,227 education facilities, whereas 1,000 evening schools would soon be introduced.

He said that all vacancies in state-run schools in the province would be filled within a year.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1571044/legislation-soon-to-make-teaching-licence-mandatory-in-punjab
 
Legislation soon to make teaching licence mandatory in Punjab

LAHORE: The government has decided to introduce teaching licences and a bill to the effect will be tabled in the Punjab Assembly soon, says Education Minister Murad Raas.

“Like doctors and engineers, teachers will also be registered and a law to the effect will be shortly laid before the Punjab Assembly,” the minister said while summing up debate on education in the house here on Friday.

He said the initiative would provide better employment opportunities to teachers in other countries.

He informed the lawmakers that the proposed law would also tackle harassment of students and teaching staff at private schools.

He also claimed that after online registration of 60,000 private schools post-Eidul Azha, the role of money and sifarish (recommendation) would be abolished. He lamented that technology was never used in governing educational institutions by previous governments.

Mr Rass said when he took charge of the portfolio, he thought as if he had been assigned the task of transfer minister as there was a huge load of transfer applications pending for years. He said the PML-N ruled the province for 10 consecutive years but didn’t develop any system to regularize transfers in the education sector.

He said the PTI government developed an App without any cost and thus 22,000 transfer cases were settled to the satisfaction of parents of women teachers with only 23 complaints.

The minister said that 70 per cent students give up learning after clearing primary only because of lack of middle schools in their neighbourhoods. He said at least 100,000 students were brought back to schooling by upgrading 1,227 education facilities, whereas 1,000 evening schools would soon be introduced.

He said that all vacancies in state-run schools in the province would be filled within a year.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1571044/legislation-soon-to-make-teaching-licence-mandatory-in-punjab

This is great news! I really hope this comes to fruition.
 
Principally, I agree with the idea of a single education system. But that system must be of very high quality otherwise you are just dragging the elite education institutions in the mud and with it the future of students who are able to access those institutions. Plus, we’ll have to ask ourselves whether we have the kind of resources that can actually make a positive impact in this whole exercise.
 
Principally, I agree with the idea of a single education system. But that system must be of very high quality otherwise you are just dragging the elite education institutions in the mud and with it the future of students who are able to access those institutions. Plus, we’ll have to ask ourselves whether we have the kind of resources that can actually make a positive impact in this whole exercise.

Yes. If the premise is to water down world-class education systems such as O and A levels to meet the standards of the new curriculum, then it is awful!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A few sections of employees in School Education Department (over 500,000 employees) are “Blackmailers”. They think they can Pressurise me. What a mistake. These “Blackmailers” are Beneficiaries of other Political Parties. Everything will be dealt with on Merit and only Merit.</p>— Murad Raas (@DrMuradPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrMuradPTI/status/1287330844131184640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Yes. If the premise is to water down world-class education systems such as O and A levels to meet the standards of the new curriculum, then it is awful!

I just listened to the debate between Mariam Chugtai and Hoodboy. She has mentioned that those elite schools have signed off on these reforms. Why would they have signed off if they would lower there standards. This reform is to create a floor for the lower performing schools not a ceiling on the higher performing ones.
 
For anyone who has apprehension about the Single Education system, please listen to the debate between Mariam Chughtai and Pervez Hoodbhoy.

Maraim Chughtai has done a really good job addressing all the criticisms that Hoodbhoy had.
 
For anyone who has apprehension about the Single Education system, please listen to the debate between Mariam Chughtai and Pervez Hoodbhoy.

Maraim Chughtai has done a really good job addressing all the criticisms that Hoodbhoy had.

Can you share the link?
 
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Hoodbhoy sahab woh toota hoa gharyaal hai jo din main do dafa bhi theek nahi hota. Yeh kholay ka doosroun kay zehan kay dareechay jis ka apna dareecha bhi band hai.
 
Hoodbhoy sahab woh toota hoa gharyaal hai jo din main do dafa bhi theek nahi hota. Yeh kholay ka doosroun kay zehan kay dareechay jis ka apna dareecha bhi band hai.

We need more people like Hoodbhoy in this country! He is a beacon of hope in this darkness!
 
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That was a waste of time. While Dr. Chugtai appeared learned and had full grip over the subject matter Pervaiz Hoodbhoy was coming across as some uninformed patwari who rather than debating on the points at hands was busy showing his political leanings. He had no response to Marium's points and never addressed any of them just kept harping according to his agenda. I'm glad we have people like Marium Chugtai making the SNC and not losers like Hoodbhoy.
 
That was a waste of time. While Dr. Chugtai appeared learned and had full grip over the subject matter Pervaiz Hoodbhoy was coming across as some uninformed patwari who rather than debating on the points at hands was busy showing his political leanings. He had no response to Marium's points and never addressed any of them just kept harping according to his agenda. I'm glad we have people like Marium Chugtai making the SNC and not losers like Hoodbhoy.

Well i did say it was for people who had apprehensions. The thing is Hoodhboy and people like him are scaring people into thinking that private schools will be brought down. Everyone wants the best for their children, so its understandably that they are worried.

Instead like Chughtai has mentioned the reforms are to create a floor and not a ceiling, and she mentioned that private schools have signed off on the reforms.

I know a bunch of people, including PTI supporters who were worried. So hopefully that goes away.


Only thing i liked about Hoddhboy is that he refused to talk in English. I dont get the moderator, saying talk in English because some people dont understand Urdu.
 
Well i did say it was for people who had apprehensions. The thing is Hoodhboy and people like him are scaring people into thinking that private schools will be brought down. Everyone wants the best for their children, so its understandably that they are worried.

Instead like Chughtai has mentioned the reforms are to create a floor and not a ceiling, and she mentioned that private schools have signed off on the reforms.

I know a bunch of people, including PTI supporters who were worried. So hopefully that goes away.


Only thing i liked about Hoddhboy is that he refused to talk in English. I dont get the moderator, saying talk in English because some people dont understand Urdu.


Yes I really liked that part as well.
 
Hoodboy has made some excellent points and so this Maryam, I really liked her. But this debate was a total due to the moderator. Hoodboy makes a valid point about lack of science in the books and we don't get a satisfactory response. Similarly Maryam says that she is only concerned and rightfully so with the curriculum not government laws that people have to
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AikNisab?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AikNisab</a> will see a floor, not a ceiling. <br>A floor of learning standards below which no student will fall, irrespective of being a public, private or madrasah student. <a href="https://twitter.com/Shafqat_Mahmood?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Shafqat_Mahmood</a> <a href="https://t.co/7IYv3VoPMt">https://t.co/7IYv3VoPMt</a></p>— Mariam Chughtai (@MariamChughtai) <a href="https://twitter.com/MariamChughtai/status/1287567980486971393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AikNisab?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AikNisab</a> brings diversity of faith, tolerance and compassion to our schools. <br><br>Islamiyat subject was made by scholars from all five major religious schools of thought, a kind of unity unseen in previous decades. <a href="https://twitter.com/Shafqat_Mahmood?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Shafqat_Mahmood</a> <a href="https://t.co/ugY6pO5yRq">https://t.co/ugY6pO5yRq</a></p>— Mariam Chughtai (@MariamChughtai) <a href="https://twitter.com/MariamChughtai/status/1287571301255741442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AikNisab?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AikNisab</a> is not going to turn our schools into madrasahs, but will make our madrasahs schools. <a href="https://twitter.com/Shafqat_Mahmood?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Shafqat_Mahmood</a> <a href="https://t.co/uR4Ibw6szY">https://t.co/uR4Ibw6szY</a></p>— Mariam Chughtai (@MariamChughtai) <a href="https://twitter.com/MariamChughtai/status/1287571926479765505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
General consensus is that Hoodbhoy got owned like no tomorrow.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I havent seen ownage this brutal since champions trophy 2017 final. <a href="https://t.co/GWzAEQdLKi">https://t.co/GWzAEQdLKi</a></p>— Waqas (@worqas) <a href="https://twitter.com/worqas/status/1287700981992640512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] why some of the private schools are opened in Karachi and none action has been taken? Due to this, some of the school kids could have lost their lives today due to heavy rain :(
 
Sadly some patwari's, jiyalas, saeens are siding with Pervez Hoodboy simply because of the shallow mindset of criticizing anything to do with the PTI govt, to hell with the national interest.
 
The people who were concerned that they won't be able to give O/A level exams when SNC goes into effect

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unecessary rumours are floating around that Government has decided to ban international exams like O and A level or Baccalaureate. There is no truth in this. These exams will continue</p>— Shafqat Mahmood (@Shafqat_Mahmood) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shafqat_Mahmood/status/1288434791315103744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pervez Hoodbhoy calls Mariam Chugtai Fassadi akin to TTP when he repeatedly fails to make any sound argument.<br><br>Also notice how easily self anointed liberals call fellow Pakistanis "extremist", "Taliban Khan" & "Good Taliban" who they dare to have a different opinion than theirs. <a href="https://t.co/xYYEUla97h">pic.twitter.com/xYYEUla97h</a></p>— Asfandyar Bhittani (@BhittaniKhannnn) <a href="https://twitter.com/BhittaniKhannnn/status/1290715973553725440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
That's why I despise libturds in Pakistan. Anyone opposing their point of view is immediately a mullah.
 
General consensus is that Hoodbhoy got owned like no tomorrow.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I havent seen ownage this brutal since champions trophy 2017 final. <a href="https://t.co/GWzAEQdLKi">https://t.co/GWzAEQdLKi</a></p>— Waqas (@worqas) <a href="https://twitter.com/worqas/status/1287700981992640512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Having watched the whole debate, mariam had some good points but was unable to answer Hoodbhoys concerns, such as dumbing down big schools like Aitchson. She was the one who got owned, but people with insecurities have to edit clips to show how uncomfortable they are with the realities.
 
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Having watched the whole debate, mariam had some good points but was unable to answer Hoodbhoys concerns, such as dumbing down big schools like Aitchson. She was the one who got owned, but people with insecurities have to edit clips to show how uncomfortable they are with the realities.

I also watched the whole debate. As far as the elite schools she mentioned that they signed off on the reforms, so why would they have done so if it would lower their quality? Hoodboy had no response for that. She also mentioned that the point of the reform was to bring the schools with low quality up, not bring the high performing schools down.

And lastly she owned Hoodboy when she told him that if he wants a separation of mosque and state, he should create his own political party, and we will see how many votes you get. Hoodboy had no response for that as well.
 
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I also watched the whole debate. As far as the elite schools she mentioned that they signed off on the reforms, so why would they have done so if it would lower their quality? Hoodboy had no response for that. She also mentioned that the point of the reform was to bring the schools with low quality up, not bring the high performing schools down.

And lastly she owned Hoodboy when she told him that if he wants a separation of mosque and state, he should create his own political party, and we will see how many votes you get. Hoodboy had no response for that as well.

Yes but his point was that by upping the level of education for madrassas and low quality schools they were at the same time lowering the quality of elite schools, she looked baffled and couldnt answer that.

As for the last point, we know we are not at a point of separation of islam from education and state activities right now, thanks to zia but its probably what mariam herself wants, but they could have atleast do what the top schools were doing before and let them continue as they didnt need any reforms.
 
Yes but his point was that by upping the level of education for madrassas and low quality schools they were at the same time lowering the quality of elite schools, she looked baffled and couldnt answer that.

She denied that was the case, multiple times. Time will tell if elite schools will be hurt, but the fact that they signed off on the reforms indicates that they are not. Hoodbhoy seems to think this is a conspiracy and that Mariam was doing a "Fraud" on the people, and that basically she was lying. Who knows maybe she is, but she denied that the quality will be hurt, nor did Hoodhbhoy have any evidence that they will be.

As for the last point, we know we are not at a point of separation of islam from education and state activities right now, thanks to zia but its probably what mariam herself wants, but they could have atleast do what the top schools were doing before and let them continue as they didnt need any reforms.

She probably does. The reason that the founders wanted a secular Muslim state was, if you ask a 100 Muslims on Islam, you might get a 100 different responses. They wanted the cultural symbols of the state to reflect the subcontinent's Muslim heritage, but they did not want a theocracy.

However its too late now to have a secular state, so you simply need to call any values you want society to have as Islamic.

So as an example you want to improve animal rights, you need to emphasize its the Islamic thing to do.
You want to have a clean country, you need to emphasize its the Islamic thing to do.
You want to have a world class education system, to need to emphasize its the Islamic thing to do.

Not a huge deal to do that.
 
Having watched the whole debate, mariam had some good points but was unable to answer Hoodbhoys concerns, such as dumbing down big schools like Aitchson. She was the one who got owned, but people with insecurities have to edit clips to show how uncomfortable they are with the realities.

No you didn't watch the full debate. If you had you wouldn't have posted this. You just listened to the parts you wanted to listen to since you are a Hoodbhoyist.


She clearly responded that Aitchson and the like were part of the curriculum development and have signed off on it. Are they as stupid as Hoodbhoy to sign off on something that reduces their own quality?
 
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She denied that was the case, multiple times. Time will tell if elite schools will be hurt, but the fact that they signed off on the reforms indicates that they are not. Hoodbhoy seems to think this is a conspiracy and that Mariam was doing a "Fraud" on the people, and that basically she was lying. Who knows maybe she is, but she denied that the quality will be hurt, nor did Hoodhbhoy have any evidence that they will be.



She probably does. The reason that the founders wanted a secular Muslim state was, if you ask a 100 Muslims on Islam, you might get a 100 different responses. They wanted the cultural symbols of the state to reflect the subcontinent's Muslim heritage, but they did not want a theocracy.

However its too late now to have a secular state, so you simply need to call any values you want society to have as Islamic.

So as an example you want to improve animal rights, you need to emphasize its the Islamic thing to do.
You want to have a clean country, you need to emphasize its the Islamic thing to do.
You want to have a world class education system, to need to emphasize its the Islamic thing to do.

Not a huge deal to do that.


She denied it but didnt provide any context, how would the education in the elite schools not be hurt.

In terms of them signing it off, what choice did they have?
 
Libturds can continue barking they aren't even 1% of Pakistan. The SNC seems like a most concerted effort to improve the level of education ACROSS THE BOARD.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(1)<br><br>Dr. Mariam explained that in SNC includes:<br><br>1/ Teacher training guides<br>2/ Assessment frameworks <br>3/ Sample Textbooks<br><br>In the Islamiat curriculum for classes of KG to 5, basic morality lessons are included by the consensus of all "Islamic schools of thoughts". <a href="https://t.co/BruI1ioSaR">pic.twitter.com/BruI1ioSaR</a></p>— Umar (@umar7181) <a href="https://twitter.com/umar7181/status/1290721100159123456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The people who were concerned that they won't be able to give O/A level exams when SNC goes into effect

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unecessary rumours are floating around that Government has decided to ban international exams like O and A level or Baccalaureate. There is no truth in this. These exams will continue</p>— Shafqat Mahmood (@Shafqat_Mahmood) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shafqat_Mahmood/status/1288434791315103744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good, the top ranked superior education systems should not be tinkered with.
 
In terms of them signing it off, what choice did they have?

They could have caused a ruckus. Protests, went to media, opposition parties.

But if they were truly forced, then this could be a disaster as the elite schools, provide a terrific education, and need to be the model for the rest of the schools.


She denied it but didnt provide any context, how would the education in the elite schools not be hurt.

If she is saying no changes will be made, then how can the elite schools be hurt? Assuming she is telling the truth. If she is lying then that is another matter.
 
They could have caused a ruckus. Protests, went to media, opposition parties.

But if they were truly forced, then this could be a disaster as the elite schools, provide a terrific education, and need to be the model for the rest of the schools.




If she is saying no changes will be made, then how can the elite schools be hurt? Assuming she is telling the truth. If she is lying then that is another matter.

If she is saying that no changes will be made, then it doesnt make it a SNC for everyone, but only low and middle schools.

If they have made changes then i dont think the school have enough power to cause a ruckus, how many are there in the country? surly not enough, if there are changes then it will be interesting if and how they respond, but i dont think anyone other than hoobhoy has raised concerns yet.
 
If she is saying that no changes will be made, then it doesnt make it a SNC for everyone, but only low and middle schools.

If they have made changes then i dont think the school have enough power to cause a ruckus, how many are there in the country? surly not enough, if there are changes then it will be interesting if and how they respond, but i dont think anyone other than hoobhoy has raised concerns yet.

She said that this is simply the beginning of education reform, and they are trying to create a floor not a ceiling. So right now the main focus is on getting the madrassa's and low performing schools to improve.

I think this might be his ultimate fear, that eventually change will effect the elite schools, and they will be brought down. Time will tell.


The only thing as of now that will impact the elite schools is the change in Islamiyat. However she mentioned that it will be the same time as before, and they got all major sects on board. Whether Hoodbhoy likes it or not, Pakistan is a Muslim country. It can be a liberal Muslim country, a moderate Muslim country, a conservative Muslim country, but it will be a Muslim country.
 
Dissecting the single national curriculum

The Single National Curriculum (SNC) is an outcome of the promise of Naya Pakistan. A Pakistan free of educational apartheid, where education is aligned to the emerging international trends in teaching, learning and assessments, which develops analytical skills, critical thinking and creativity in students, and which moves away from rote memorisation. A Pakistan where it doesn’t matter whether one attended an ‘elite’ private school, a public school or a madressah. A Pakistan where every schoolchild will receive the same kind of education, and will thus have the same opportunities in life.

The promise is like a dream come true. But like many well-intentioned plans, the recently-announced review of education policy seems better as an abstract idea. A closer review of the published material throws up many issues of concern. The new SNC has been approved and announced for grades I to V so far, and flaws in the policy are already becoming apparent.

For one, the SNC confirms to us that education policymakers continue to have a skewed belief in what constitutes quality education. They believe that, even if English language is completely alien to a five-year-old child, he must nevertheless be instructed in English. They also believe — contrary to all available evidence — that a greater dose of religious education will produce more honest and useful citizens of Pakistan. Critical thinking is central to modern knowledge, while through the SNC, policy planners seem to be promoting influences that are antithetical to critical thinking. The primary focus is on the sheer quantity of information poured into students’ heads.

The government’s slogan of reform is: an end to educational apartheid, a laudable goal indeed. But what has been approved and notified is a uniform curriculum, not a system of uniform education. The latter would also imply equal educational facilities for all — rich and poor, rural and urban, boys and girls. Only a uniform education would ensure an end to the educational apartheid. But the government has not put forward any plan for uniform education yet. And it is unclear if it ever will.

WHAT’S BEHIND THE UNFULFILLED PROMISES?

The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) government started its tenure with an Education Policy Framework, highlighting reforms in four priority areas in education. These were: (1) Putting all the out-of-school children in schools, as required by Article 25 A-of the Constitution; (2) eliminating apartheid in education by introducing a uniform curriculum; (3) enhancing the quality of education; and (4) emphasising technical and vocational education.

The Framework was generally regarded as based on a correct diagnosis of the problems of school education in the country. If pursued properly and thoughtfully, reforms made within this framework could potentially add quality to public education.

In the two years since the Framework was announced, the government has made some progress in the second priority area by preparing a SNC, but has made no move in the other three priority areas. I suspect this is because each of the other three priority areas would require a heavy financial commitment, which the meagre national allocation to education could not promise. On the other hand, introducing a new curriculum comes for free.

Take priority number one. With 22.8 million out of school children, according to Unicef data, and the total number of enrolled school students around 25 million, there are nearly as many out of school children as there are in school.

To put nearly 23 million additional children into school would be a gigantic task. Pakistan would need to build nearly as many schools as exist today, furnish them and employ as many new teachers as are currently in service. Imagine the amount of resources needed to provide schooling to all 23 million out of school children. How difficult this will be is illustrated by the example below.


The Islamabad Capital Territory (ICT) lies right under the nose of the federal government and is hardly some rural district of Balochistan or Sindh, and yet there is a 35 percent deficit of teachers in ICT public schools. The posts are not being filled because the government has no money to pay the additional salaries. Some federal government model schools are running at two-thirds of the approved strength of teachers. Teachers are either forced to conduct multi-grade teaching or to ask a senior student to stand in the class with a cane in hand, to keep the children quiet.

Let us consider the third priority area: the enhancement of quality of education in school.

That the quality of learning in public and private, urban and rural, schools is extremely worrisome has been regularly highlighted by Annual Status of Education Report ASER) surveys for over a decade. These are considered reliable to the point that even the Ministry of Federal Education and Professional Training (MOFEPT) refers to their data rather than that from the official National Educational Management Information System.

If the government is really serious about the quality of education, it must not pass the burden of providing education to the private sector. A large part of the private education sector consists of low fee schools. Their business model works with low fees only because they employ uncertified teachers at very low salaries. Hence the quality of instruction in those schools remains abysmally poor. The government knows this very well, because it supports such schools through national and provincial Education Foundations, and pays them a meagre subsidy of 300 rupees per student to encourage them to continue.

Enhancing the quality of instruction in public schools would require several things.

One, it would require more frequent and better pre-service and in-service training for the teachers. Provincial staff development departments would vouch that, presently, a public sector teacher receives only about three days of in-service training per year. What is needed is perhaps 10 times more training.

Two, public schools still lack in essential facilities such as furniture, water supply, toilets, etc. The situation continues to be so in spite of receiving donations for the infrastructural improvement of schools from several countries. A rigorous auditing of where these funds go is badly needed.

Three, textbooks provided by the state are of abysmal quality, both in content as well as in presentation. Pakistani textbook boards have repeatedly proved unable to provide good-quality learning material. A comparison between the books used in public schools with those used in the elite private schools easily shows the differential in quality. A heavy investment in high-quality textbooks is an essential requirement for improving educational quality. There is no reason to restrict the choice to local authors and printers. For the sake of investment in our national future, we should keep open the option of buying the best teaching material, even if local cultural sensitivities call for some editing.

And four, public examinations of today only require reproduction of text. Unless the assessment system is radically altered, the quality of education in the public schooling system cannot improve. Those who set high-quality examinations do not come cheap.

From the above, it is obvious that improving the quality of education cannot be achieved without a heavy financial input.

Finally, the last priority area of the Educational Framework — introducing technical and vocational training in schools — would also require substantial expenditure on equipping schools with functioning workshops and an assured supply of consumables.

Thus, meaningful action in priority areas numbers 1, 3 and 4 obviously call for substantial financial input. Instead, the government has taken the easy road by simply tinkering with the curriculum. This not only vitiates the very idea of reform, it also creates other deep problems.

Let us now come to the SNC.

CONSTITUTIONAL TRANSGRESSION

In the current design of SNC, the federal government has transgressed upon the constitutional domain of the provinces. The Parliament, through the 18th constitutional amendment, had transferred the curriculum-making authority to provinces, restricting the federal government’s domain to the federal capital area and the educational institutions directly under its control. This did not go down well with those who (wrongly) regard provincial autonomy a danger to national cohesion. It also did not go down well with those who regard school education less as an exercise in enabling future generations to face global challenges, and more as a means to influence young minds ideologically.

To put nearly 23 million additional children into school would be a gigantic task. Pakistan would need to build nearly as many schools as exist today, furnish them and employ as many new teachers as are currently in service. Imagine the amount of resources needed to provide schooling to all the 23 million out-of-school children.

A grievous yet inevitable consequence of this effective re-centralisation of the curriculum is immediately apparent in the social studies curriculum. In a decentralised curriculum, a child is taken gradually from an awareness of self, to family, to neighbourhood, then to awareness about his or her district, about the province, then nation and then the world. In this re-centralised curriculum, in contrast, however, the child is taken from the awareness of self, to family, to the neighbourhood and then straight to the nation. A child under this leapfrog curriculum will never get to learn about his or her district or province, which will be a serious loss to the child’s worldview. The leapfrog seems to be a deliberate policy of those whose narrow view of nationalism insists on denying identities of constituent nationalities.

The new curriculum documents carry a slogan of “One Nation One Curriculum”, implying that, without a single curriculum, we cannot remain one nation. This is false. There are countless examples of countries having diverse curricula — even ones that vary from school to school — and yet a strong sense of common nationhood. Advocates of uniformity may like to keep in mind a well-known saying: uniformity has the colour of deserts while the beauty of gardens is in their diversity. While rifts and dissension do exist within Pakistan, their causes lie well outside the school curriculum. Oversimplification may create further chasms between the different peoples of Pakistan instead of moving us towards greater unity.

THE EDUCATIONAL APARTHEID

The educational apartheid is said to be the reason behind the need for a uniform curriculum. As is well known, the Pakistani education system is split along three broad lines: a tiny sliver of expensive private schools preparing students for foreign examinations; low-to-middle end public/private schools that follow the federal/provincial curriculum; and madressah education, that aims to produce the clergy.

The prime minister has been very passionately arguing against this apartheid, pointing out differentials in the competencies developed in each and hence the corresponding opportunities that open up before students graduating from each of the three systems. He emphasises that the students from elite schools have the best opportunities and graduates of madressahs have relatively much fewer.

This is a valid point. Mainstreaming of madressahs has been a desire of many a government in the past, and even of religious groups and political parties. In the 1980s and 1990s, the Institute of Policy Studies, Islamabad, a think tank of the Jamaat-i-Islami, held conferences of all the madressah systems to explore if, besides the theological subjects, they would open themselves to teaching of contemporary disciplines. One stubborn response was that the reason of existence of madressahs was to not let the Islamic theological disciplines, which debate intricacies of belief and practices, be forgotten, and that madressahs exist to produce clergy to keep the knowledge of Islam alive.

But in the post-9/11 environment, when all eyes were focused on them, most madressahs were persuaded by the Musharraf government to introduce contemporary subjects such as English, Mathematics, Science, Social Studies, Computer Literacy, etc in their list of courses. So, while Prime Minister Imran Khan is right that the graduates of madressahs remain on the lowest rung of job opportunities, he seems unaware of the fact that most madressahs had already included contemporary subjects in their curricula. This can be checked from the websites of all the madressahs’ wafaqs (boards).

According to the MOFEPT website, the understanding with madressahs envisages that “madaris [madressahs] will gradually introduce contemporary subjects in deeni madaris [religious seminaries] under a formal plan, up to Matric and Intermediate in the next five years.”

The public school system is the other component of the educational apartheid system. Although the public school curriculum, which is followed by all the public schools as well as a number of private schools, gets reviewed every few years, it does not seem to have any significant effect on the quality of learning. Year after year, surveys on students’ competencies bring out the terribly worrying levels of abilities in students. For example, the 2019 national survey of public and low-fee private schools by ASER shows that 15 percent of grade V students still cannot read Urdu sentences, 11 percent cannot read English sentences and eight percent cannot do simple two-digit subtractions. These are all recorded in the annual ASER reports. Universities lament the poor quality of their new admissions, and employers are unhappy about the quality of graduates they receive from universities.

There is, thus, a genuine concern about the quality of education and to put the finger on the right causes is the foremost challenge for Pakistani education policy planners.


THE EXPECTATION

Given these problems and the desire of the government to evolve a system that provides a level playing field for the graduates of different kinds of educational institutions, there were expectations that this levelling exercise would be coupled with quality enhancement schemes. That is the only way to create a level playing field.

For such an objective, the choice should have been the best available standard in the country. As the prime minister himself admits, the best quality comes out of the English-medium private schools, which follow some foreign educational schemes, either the British O and A levels or the International Baccalaureate. It was expected that the new curriculum would be modelled after these schools.

But this was not to be. Instead, the government chose the public school curriculum devised in 2006.

The benchmarks, the learning outcomes and the identification of competencies for each level remain roughly the same as in the 2006 curriculum. There is, therefore, no reason for optimism because the quality of learning with this curriculum would be just as unsatisfactory as in today’s public schools. With the same course content as before, the standard of textbooks and classroom teaching is likely to remain the same.

In short, the best of the three standards has not been adopted. In addition, there is no indication at all of any serious effort to move the examination system away from rote learning. All of this means that, if the new curriculum is imposed on the elite private schools, their educational standard will face a substantial degradation.

THE NEW ISLAMIAT CURRICULUM

The courses on English, Urdu, Arithmetic, Science and Social Studies are hardly distinguishable from those prescribed in the 2006 National Curriculum — they have the same benchmarks and the same learning outcomes as before. But one area where major changes have been introduced is in the Islamiat curriculum.

The National Curriculum 2006 for grades I and II had topics of Islamiat included in a course named General Knowledge, and was consequently a source of deep discomfort among non-Muslim children, since they were forced to learn Islamiat. The SNC has taken these topics out from General Knowledge and made a separate full course on Islamiat.

As per the declared curricula for grades I to V, the new course on Islamiat is far heavier in content than any previous Pakistani school curriculum for this subject. When compared against Islamiat taught in madressahs at this level, it turns out that public and private schools will be teaching more religion than even the madressahs.

From the published SNC document, that also details the structure of topics that will be followed up to grade XII, the Islamiat course for all the grades from I to XII will be structured around the following seven topics:

Holy Quran and Hadith
Faith and supplications
The life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
Islamic mannerism
Public dealings and social behaviour
Islamic personalities and guiding lights
Islamic teachings and contemporary issues

As an example, the Islamiat course for grade III in SNC has the following detail:

SNC Islamiat Curriculum for Grade III

For grade III, the SNC prescribes the following topics:

• Nazra Quran from paarah three to eight
• Memorisation: Surahs Fateha, Kausar, Nasr, Ikhlaas
• Memorisation with translation: Allahu Akbar, Astaghfirallah, Jazakallaho Khaira, Durood-i-Ibrahimi
• Memorise: eight prescribed ahadith
• Memorise: prayers to start a meal and to end a meal
• Introduce Tawheed, translate Kalma-i-Tayyaba and Surah Ikhlas
• Learn about nabuwwat and risalat
• Memorise Kalma-i-Shahadat with translation
• Learn about azaan, namaz and wuzu, and qibla and masjid
• Topics from the life of the Holy Prophet (PBUH)
• Ikhlaq-o-Adaab from the Quran and Sunnah
• Huquq-ul-Ibad from the Quran and Sunnah
• Lessons on Hazrat Adam (AS), Hazrat Nooh (AS) and Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (RA)
• Lessons on health from the Quran and Sunnah

It is instructive to compare the above with the madressah curriculum for the same grade. The information in this case has been taken from the websites of various madressah boards. Only two of them, Tanzeem-ul-Madaris of Jamaat Ahle Sunnat and Rabitatul Madaris of Jamaat-i-Islami provide the curriculum for primary classes.

Tanzeem-ul-Madaris Islamiat Curriculum for Grade III

Nazra of the first five paarahs of the Quran
Practical training of wuzu and namaz

Rabitatul Madaris Islamiat Curriculum for Grade III

Nazra of the first five paarahs of the Quran
Training for namaz according to Sunnah
Towheed wa Risalat
Aakhirat
Islamic governance

It is clear that the Islamiat curriculum in SNC is much heavier than in madressahs. It requires a large amount of memorisation in Arabic and, in places, in Urdu translation as well. It requires memorisation of ahadith in Arabic and in Urdu. The two madressah boards’ curricula do not require memorisation, or even reading, of ahadith. Memorisation of Hadith was not a part of even the 2006 curriculum. The 2006 Curriculum required learning ahadith only in grades IX and X, and only in Urdu. In the SNC, on the other hand, primary grade students are required to memorise Arabic and Urdu versions of 45 ahadith by grade V, with the following grade-wise distribution: 4 + 6 + 8 + 12 + 15. It can only lead us to conclude that the framers of the SNC have been overly zealous in prescribing Islamiat content.

If the teaching of Islamiat is so extensive at the primary level, where young children are still struggling with elementary literacy, one is left wondering how much more extensive it will get at the higher levels. Punjab has already issued an ordinance to teach Quranic studies at the highest levels of studies in universities. How will those studies be different from madressah curricula? It is not beyond the pale of possibility that the higher level Islamiat courses will be inspired by madressah curricula. In this sense, SNC looks like a ‘madressah-isation’ of schools.

After Nazra Quran, the next step in madressahs is learning the Quran with translation, and then, at a higher level, looking deeper into interpretations of the Holy Book, the tafseer, the taabeer and then fiqh. It is well known that sects in Islam have grown out of such interpretations by the most learned scholars. We also know that different sects of Islam are followers of different interpretations. Different schools follow different makatib-e-fikr or schools of thought, and their differences have persisted over the centuries. When elevated to the level of colleges and universities, will the study of Islamiat not touch upon these divisive issues and lead to sectarian tensions on campuses?

THE PROBLEM OF ARTICLE 22(1)

Now let’s come to Article 22(1) of the Constitution, which is a part of the chapter on fundamental rights. It is meant to safeguard a particular right of religious minorities in Pakistan. It says:

“No person attending any educational institution shall be required to receive religious instruction, or take part in any religious ceremony, or attend religious worship, if such instruction, ceremony of worship relates to a religion other than his own.”

This law implies that no lesson in any textbook that is compulsory to students of all faiths can contain material specific to any religion.

The SNC violates this fundamental right of non-Muslim Pakistani citizens by prescribing lessons in Urdu and English courses that are already a part of the Islamiat curriculum. Urdu textbooks are asked to start with a hamd and a naat, and there is invariably a lesson on Seerat-un-Nabi or the life of the Prophet (PBUH). A lesson on Seerat-un-Nabi is also prescribed in English textbooks of all grades. This is in spite of the fact that the course on Islamiat has a substantial part on the Seerat. It also has another substantial part on sacred personalities of early Islam.

When challenged to justify this violation of constitutional right, officials at MOFEPT refuse to correct the wrong. Instead they prescribe outlandish ways of avoiding the violation: they want teachers to ask non-Muslim students to leave the class during such lessons (and do what, they do not say). They also prescribe exempting non-Muslim students from answering examination questions relating to such lessons, a risk that few students would want to take since examiners could easily be prejudiced against non-Muslims. They keep insisting on retaining Islamiat lessons in compulsory courses in spite of the fact that these topics are already covered in the exclusive course on Islamiat. It seems even the constitutionally guaranteed rights of citizens are not there to be respected.

Similarly, the Urdu and English curricula suggest lesson topics such as honesty, truthfulness, etc., on which textbook writers in the past have written lessons based on sacred Islamic personalities — stories that are also a part of Islamiat. Requiring non-Muslim students to read those lessons also violates Article 22(1). Textbook writers must, therefore, receive unambiguous instruction that a book on a compulsory course must not contain material belonging to any faith.

THE HUMAN RESOURCE QUESTION

According to several statements by government officials, agreements were reached with heads of the madressah systems during the consultations on SNC. Under one agreement, the madressah students will be required to take board examinations of grades VIII to XII in contemporary subjects such as English, Mathematics, Science, Social Studies, etc., and pass. The requirement is not a big challenge at all. As long as board examinations remain what they are now, the exam questions would merely require rote memorisation, in which madressah students are unbeatable.

The SNC also visualises providing massive employment opportunities to madressah graduates, and hence stimulating the creation of more such institutions. In the primary curriculum, for example, it requires every school to employ one madressah certified qari to teach nazra in the style that prevails in madressahs. It is easy to see that, with more of madrassah-style Islamiat coming in the higher classes, each school will be asked to employ a madrassah-certified aalim to teach the extended Islamiat course.

In another agreement, the state has promised to depute three teachers to each madressah to teach contemporary courses such as English, Science, Mathematics and Social Studies. The salaries of these teachers will be paid out of the public exchequer.

There are serious implications of these steps. The following are some rough estimates based on data from the Pakistan Economic Survey 2019-20:

As per the Pakistan Economic Survey 2019-20, there are about 172,500 registered primary schools in the country, and about 260,000 schools of all kinds. Employing two madressah-certified teachers in each school amounts to providing jobs to 520,000 madressah-certified persons in public and private schools. This opens an unprecedented floodgate of jobs for madressah graduates, most of them to be paid out of the public exchequer.

The new curriculum documents carry a slogan of “One Nation One Curriculum”, implying that, without a single curriculum, we cannot remain one nation. This is false. There are countless examples of countries having diverse curricula — even ones that vary from school to school — and yet a strong sense of common nationhood. Advocates of uniformity may like to keep in mind a well-known saying: uniformity has the colour of deserts while the beauty of gardens is in their diversity.

In addition, the school environment will be greatly influenced by these madressah graduate teachers. There are a total of 1.72 million school and college teachers in the country. According to the arrangement worked out in the SNC, with an additional 520,000 inductions, the madressah graduate teachers will immediately form almost a quarter of the entire body of teachers. They will have an immense influence on not only teaching in schools and colleges, but will also have a substantial political influence on the academic environment — an influence that has no precedent in the history of South Asia, if not world history.

According to MOFEPT estimates, there are 35,000 registered and unregistered madressahs in the country. According to the SNC, three teachers on the public payroll will be employed by the government for each madressah, to teach the non-religious subjects. That means employing around 105,000 additional teachers or using existing school teachers despite the deficit of teachers in public schools.

In short, under the SNC, the madressah system has received a huge boost. This is all to bring only three million madressah students into the mainstream of education. In return, madressahs will get paid teachers for contemporary subjects, and a large number of jobs will open up for madressah graduates in public and private schools. The cost of this mainstreaming is multidimensional, excessive and fraught with unforeseen impacts.

The federal government has extended itself beyond its constitutional domain. Education in its entirety is a provincial subject and it is the provinces that will be eventually held responsible for the intellectual development of their young generations. They must not feel bound to an exercise carried out in violation of the constitution, even though they had consented to sit in consultations on SNC.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1572130
 
^A long but a thought-provoking article. It covers the deficiencies of PTI's education policies. A force of 520,000 religious clerics would be deployed in schools throughout the country. There are questions what this would do to academic freedom and how it would the social dynamics in schools.
 
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