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SNGPL vs HBL | President's Trophy Final 2012-13 | Karachi |14-18 Jan | Day 4

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SNGPL are 177/9 - 323 runs ahead.

Match start is delayed due to bad light
 
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SNGPL should have declared to give themselves a maximum amount of chance to win the match
 
It's 7 AM in the morning and I think to myself: Why not get a look at Ehsan Adil's bowling before going to sleep? All I get to see is some 200 kg thrundler bowling to a tailender. :/
 
Ahmed Shehzad and Salahuddin to lead the chase and hopefully win it.

Not much hope for Shafiq, he's been a flop the whole season.

Beautiful inswinger from Niazi and even more beautifully dispatched by Shehzad for four.
 
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^oh I see, thanks man

That was a beautiful strait drive from Shehzad
 
endymion248 said:
Ahmed Shehzad and Salahuddin to lead the chase and hopefully win it.


Beautiful inswinger from Niazi and even more beautifully dispatched by Shehzad for four.
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Thats a great move from Younis Khan.. The Inform Batsmen in.. Rather than.. SIr Don Farhath..
 
Actually, it's not Salahuddin opening :) Shan Masood or something, I just meant that they would be the ones to score and take them home.
 
HazTheGreenKnightRises said:
Thats a great move from Younis Khan.. The Inform Batsmen in.. Rather than.. SIr Don Farhath..
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I heard the commentator saying that Imran could not come to bat as an opener because according to the rules he had left the field in the previous innings and had to spend some time back or something like that
 
Two of Pakistan's best middle order players in action and they are both going quite well and I have high hopes from these two in SA inshaAllah.

HBL 80/2

Younis 22*
Asad 27*
 
I am a Younis Khan fan. So yeah, I back him/his team to get there:)......
 
usman salahuddin has such a terrible technique, how did he score so many rius last season?
 
Asad ali is pretty good, nipped 1 back in a long way to trap the batsman plumb, 85/4.
 
shafiq will do well here, He's a good player in pressure situations.
 
Another short ball from asad ali, shafiq top edges the ball but lands safely.
 
Has azhar ali ever played a pull or hook shot?, asad does play the pull shot despite not being that great against the short stuff, never seen azhar pull or hook, or has he?
 
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Has azhar ali ever played a pull or hook shot?, asad does play the pull shot despite not being that great against the short stuff, never seen azhar pull or hook, or has he?
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Azhar usually plas short arm pulls , not full. Asad plays pulls against medium pacers.
 
When you guys open the GEO Super page does the stream just show up? Because for me it just shows a Dailymotion video (preview for the match), no stream there. I'm not in Pak, is that why?
 
Paradox said:
When you guys open the GEO Super page does the stream just show up? Because for me it just shows a Dailymotion video (preview for the match), no stream there. I'm not in Pak, is that why?
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if you play it match comes live
 
Strange way of getting out....Hafeez got Asad in both innings....
This was the only way of getting out as medium pacer were hardly presenting any challenge..
 
Why do the commentators keep saying that another day's play is still left? Isn't this supposed to be a 4-day match? And I don't know why they have to thrust English words in their commentary. "Bari khubsurti k saath left kia" doesn't sound too convincing
 
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asfandyar said:
Why do the commentators keep saying that another day's play is still left? Isn't this supposed to be a 4-day match? And I don't know why they have to thrust English words in their commentary. "Bari khubsurti k saath left kia" doesn't sound too convincing
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:)))

Commentator must be having a crush on that player...
 
asfandyar said:
Why do the commentators keep saying that another day's play is still left? Isn't this supposed to be a 4-day match? And I don't know why they have to thrust English words in their commentary. "Bari khubsurti k saath left kia" doesn't sound too convincing
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English urdu ka dono ka bera gharak kerte hen
 
Umar should be man of the match. Highest run scorer in the game.

Also, how did Shafiq get out? Poor shot?
 
Bullet Drive said:
Umar should be man of the match. Highest run scorer in the game.

Also, how did Shafiq get out? Poor shot?
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Why are you against Shafiq.

Hardly anyone wants Shafiq in LOI, most want umar in LOI (even if there are haters).

And Asad has a superior record than Umar in tests, and scored a century last match, with one of the best averages at six out of most teams in recent past (w63L35 had some stats on it).

Umar as a pretty experienced limited overs batsman now is going to have more responsibility and people are going to be overly critical. Asad hasn't even proven to be a limited overs player whether he throws it away or not, most do not think he will or perhaps not even the ability to hold down an ODI slot any time soon.
 
ads101 said:
Why are you against Shafiq.

Hardly anyone wants Shafiq in LOI, most want umar in LOI (even if there are haters).

And Asad has a superior record than Umar in tests, and scored a century last match, with one of the best averages at six out of most teams in recent past (w63L35 had some stats on it).

Umar as a pretty experienced limited overs batsman now is going to have more responsibility and people are going to be overly critical. Asad hasn't even proven to be a limited overs player whether he throws it away or not, most do not think he will or perhaps not even the ability to hold down an ODI slot any time soon.
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Bro I asked how did Shafiq get out? Was it a poor shot ?
 
ads101 said:
Why are you against Shafiq.

Hardly anyone wants Shafiq in LOI, most want umar in LOI (even if there are haters).

And Asad has a superior record than Umar in tests, and scored a century last match, with one of the best averages at six out of most teams in recent past (w63L35 had some stats on it).

Umar as a pretty experienced limited overs batsman now is going to have more responsibility and people are going to be overly critical. Asad hasn't even proven to be a limited overs player whether he throws it away or not, most do not think he will or perhaps not even the ability to hold down an ODI slot any time soon.
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In tests, Asad Shafiq averages 29 against real teams or (not even and) unflat pitches. Against 42 for UA. Enough Said. How's that a better record? And during this domestic season, he was outperformed by every single potential middle-order batsman, including Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal, Umar Amin, Haris Sohail, Ali Waqas,... I guess it's hard to score when you're not facing Shahadat Hussein or Kulasekara/Mathews/Perera in Colombo.
 
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endymion248 said:
In tests, Asad Shafiq averages 29 against real teams or (not even and) unflat pitches. Against 42 for UA. Enough Said. How's that a better record? And during this domestic season, he was outperformed by every single potential middle-order batsman, including Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal, Umar Amin, Haris Sohail, Ali Waqas,... I guess it's hard to score when you're not facing Shahadat Hussein or Kulasekara/Mathews/Perera in Colombo.
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39
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

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36.59
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rt;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

:kohli
 
Couldn't resolve yourself to exclude the bashing of a minnow test bowling attack on flat UAE and Lankan pitches, right?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

Even these include vs New Zeeland in New Zeeland, SA in UAE, England in UAE and WI in WI.

Compare this to Umar Akmal:

vs Australia in AUS and England, vs England in England (and those conditions were the most bowling friendly in recent history), vs SA in UAE and vs WI in WI.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

History suggests Akmal would do much better than Asad Shafiq in Non-flat pitches/or Against quality attacks.
 
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I wouldn't require much more than 1 or 2 dollars a day, the case of Akmal vs Shafiq being so easy to defend statistically and for anyone with a minimum of cricketing knowledge.

One of the reasons you wonder so much about it is you'd probably not agree under 100k £ a year given the difficulty of the case for you.
 
endymion248 said:
In tests, Asad Shafiq averages 29 against real teams or (not even and) unflat pitches. Against 42 for UA. Enough Said. How's that a better record? And during this domestic season, he was outperformed by every single potential middle-order batsman, including Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal, Umar Amin, Haris Sohail, Ali Waqas,... I guess it's hard to score when you're not facing Shahadat Hussein or Kulasekara/Mathews/Perera in Colombo.
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Whatever the stats are, he is better than Umar Akmal in tests now. And Asad didn't feature in many matches due to his wedding. Azhar Ali was also outperformed by many players in this year. We should drop him also?
 
Azhar Ali at least has a good average in tests and has proven that he can perform on SA-like pitches.

And, in this domestic season, he was still way above Umar Akmal and Asad Shafiq.
 
endymion248 said:
Couldn't resolve yourself to exclude the bashing of a minnow test bowling attack on flat UAE and Lankan pitches, right?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

Even these include vs New Zeeland in New Zeeland, SA in UAE, England in UAE and WI in WI.

Compare this to Umar Akmal:

vs Australia in AUS and England, vs England in England (and those conditions were the most bowling friendly in recent history), vs SA in UAE and vs WI in WI.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

History suggests Akmal would do much better than Asad Shafiq in Non-flat pitches/or Against quality attacks.
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Granted Akmal was successful at the start when few teams had any idea how to tackle him and he was able to Afridi his way to some runs. But as soon as teams realized that he will capitulate himself if not given freedom to score runs, his charisma imploded.

average of 26 in last 10 matches
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

vs an average of 48 when he started
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

He was clearly found out!!!!
 
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LOL.. Akmal fans never fail to disappoint.. they make assessments of how Shafiq would fail on supporting pitches as if they can predict the future.. Shafiq might not be the most talented batsman around but he is hardworking, gutsy and above all has less tendency to have brain farts.. unlike a certain over-hyped under achiever..
 
shakil said:
Granted Akmal was successful at the start when few teams had any idea how to tackle him and he was able to Afridi his way to some runs. But as soon as teams realized that he will capitulate himself if not given freedom to score runs, his charisma imploded.

average of 26 in last 10 matches
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

vs an average of 48 when he started
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

He was clearly found out!!!!
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No, he wasn't. Best Batsman of the WI tour where your darling scored 48 runs. Lead us home in difficult England conditions where even a 30 average was decent. Only failed to do some minnow bashing against Zimbabwe unlike Shafiq.

Saying Shafiq will fail in SA has more statistical backing than saying Shafiq will succeed there. Fanboys fail to see it, unfortunately.
 
endymion248 said:
No, he wasn't. Best Batsman of the WI tour where your darling scored 48 runs. Lead us home in difficult England conditions where even a 30 average was decent. Only failed to do some minnow bashing against Zimbabwe unlike Shafiq.
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Shafiq never played Zimbabwe in tests.

Just a few posts backs you were saying how Umar Akmal performed against Superior bowlers with his 35 average but that is surely isn't the case with his average of 25.

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Saying Shafiq will fail in SA has more statistical backing than saying Shafiq will succeed there. Fanboys fail to see it, unfortunately.
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That is a separate issue completely. Umar should have been in Test squad but his exclusion is mostly because of his attitude problem and lack of regard of team situation (which is still a problem in ODIs but in Tests you cannot forgive a brain fart - I will need to search cricinfo commentary of his dismissals I posted a while back)
 
endymion248 said:
No, he wasn't. Best Batsman of the WI tour where your darling scored 48 runs. Lead us home in difficult England conditions where even a 30 average was decent. Only failed to do some minnow bashing against Zimbabwe unlike Shafiq.

Saying Shafiq will fail in SA has more statistical backing than saying Shafiq will succeed there. Fanboys fail to see it, unfortunately.
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He actually wasn't.
Misbah and Taufeeq both were better.
His high score in the West Indies tour was only 56 whereas Misbah's HS was 102 and Taufeeq's was 135 Misbah and T.Ahmed averaged better than U.Akmal.


Lead us home in the England series?
He averaged only 30 that is below par in Test Matches with a High Score of only 76.

Yes he failed at that because he doesn't have one thing needed to play long innings and that is a brain.
Shafiq did not even play the Test match against Zimbabwe so you're not making any sense.
 
shakil said:
Shafiq never played Zimbabwe in tests.

Just a few posts backs you were saying how Umar Akmal performed against Superior bowlers with his 35 average but that is surely isn't the case with his average of 25.
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Unlike Shafiq who did some minnow bashing against BD and SL bowling attacks.

Akmal's last 10 matches include matches vs Zimbos and SA on non-flat pitches.

He does average 37 against good attacks and on bowling friendly pitches.

Away only: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rt;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

He averages 36 against good attacks or on bowling friendly pitches (see above)

Asad Shafiq averages 29 against good attacks or bowling friendly pitches

Asad Shafiq averages 22 against good attack and bowling friendly pitches
 
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endymion248 said:
Unlike Shafiq who did some minnow bashing against BD and SL bowling attacks.

Akmal's last 10 matches include matches vs Zimbos and SA on non-flat pitches.

He does average 37 against good attacks and on bowling friendly pitches.

Away only: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rt;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

He averages 36 against good attacks or on bowling friendly pitches (see above)

Asad Shafiq averages 29 against good attacks or bowling friendly pitches

Asad Shafiq averages 22 against good attack and bowling friendly pitches
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The fact of the matter is Shafiq is an integral part of the batting line-up and U.Akmal isn't even good enough to be in the squad. Haris Sohail and probably Fawad Alam are ahead of him in the pecking order at this point in time.

You can rant all you want, but that is the bitter truth so you better accept it.
 
Since when is Pakistani selection based on merit?

And, by that logic, Imran Farhat is better than all domestic batsmen.
 
The myth that Asad gets out only on a good ball is only a myth....Even in both these innings of this match he himself got out on Hafeez's bowling....This season there was little bit of help there for bowlers and he could average only 26....

he needs to improve a bit and i feel Fawad Alam,Haris Sohail,Umar Akmal have more potential than him...He is a good batsman but i do not think he has no danger of losing his spot...Needs a decent South Africa tour if not good...
 
endymion248 said:
Azhar Ali at least has a good average in tests and has proven that he can perform on SA-like pitches.

And, in this domestic season, he was still way above Umar Akmal and Asad Shafiq.
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You are ignoring the fact that Azhar played the whole season. While Shafiq didn't.

1st u brought domestic season stats to imply that Asad is not good enough and now test average of Azhar Ali comes in the way :)) :)).
 
endymion248 said:
Unlike Shafiq who did some minnow bashing against BD and SL bowling attacks.

Akmal's last 10 matches include matches vs Zimbos and SA on non-flat pitches.

He does average 37 against good attacks and on bowling friendly pitches.

Away only: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rt;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

He averages 36 against good attacks or on bowling friendly pitches (see above)

Asad Shafiq averages 29 against good attacks or bowling friendly pitches

Asad Shafiq averages 22 against good attack and bowling friendly pitches
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Akmal averages 25 in his last 10 tests. Enough said :)))
 
Selection is multi-factorial. Shafiq fails to qualify in most factors, while Azhar has the important ones going for him.

As far as Asad's mariage is concerned, one has to set priorities. Shafiq chose aurat-zat over cricket. Now he should have been dropped and left enjoying his honey-moon.
 
shakil said:
Granted Akmal was successful at the start when few teams had any idea how to tackle him and he was able to Afridi his way to some runs. But as soon as teams realized that he will capitulate himself if not given freedom to score runs, his charisma imploded.

average of 26 in last 10 matches
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

vs an average of 48 when he started
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

He was clearly found out!!!!
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You clearly don't know much.

Please check his last test series statistics.
 
endymion248 said:
Selection is multi-factorial. Shafiq fails to qualify in most factors, while Azhar has the important ones going for him.

As far as Asad's mariage is concerned, one has to set priorities. Shafiq chose aurat-zat over cricket. Now he should have been dropped and left enjoying his honey-moon.
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Wow. Did I just read that? Lost all credibility.
 
Maybe Asad Shafiq can buy you a sense of humour from all the unfair money he's earning by being in the Test Squad and taking the birthright of others?
 
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