So, Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan were not the problem in our T20I side?

[Muhammad Saad]

It was actually there batting position and them consuming the power play and now with Farhan and Saim pretty solved the power play issue we can easily play Rizwan instead of Agha at no4 with Fakhar and Hasan Nawaz (hopefully he will develop too) at 5 and 6 and then the Nawaz 2.0 and Shaheen and Abrar and the pacers,
Suddenly the team looking good both on paper and on performance and with the emergence of Usman and Abrar started to find his feet and Nawaz 2.0 and Saim Ayub handy spin the spin attack is more than settled , Salman Mirza is also a good find but need to find couple of T20 specialists pacers as I believe Naseem, Haris and Waseem are not good enough for T20is , we can definitely try Ahmed Danial and hopefully Ali Raza will be ready by next year end too.

The team looking in good shape for the World Cup.
Oh and Rana sb has also improved a lot to keep his spot in the squad.

 

[Rana]

So Agha, Hesson and Aqib wrestle control from Babar/Rizwan and their agency to get Pakistan back on track….

And now RizBar reap the rewards of this powershift by replacing Agha??

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

It was actually there batting position and them consuming the power play and now with Farhan and Saim pretty solved the power play issue we can easily play Rizwan instead of Agha at no4 with Fakhar and Hasan Nawaz (hopefully he will develop too) at 5 and 6 and then the Nawaz 2.0 and Shaheen and Abrar and the pacers,
Suddenly the team looking good both on paper and on performance and with the emergence of Usman and Abrar started to find his feet and Nawaz 2.0 and Saim Ayub handy spin the spin attack is more than settled , Salman Mirza is also a good find but need to find couple of T20 specialists pacers as I believe Naseem, Haris and Waseem are not good enough for T20is , we can definitely try Ahmed Danial and hopefully Ali Raza will be ready by next year end too.

The team looking in good shape for the World Cup.
Oh and Rana sb has also improved a lot to keep his spot in the squad.

What about Babar?

I don't mind Rizwan replacing Agha by the way

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

What a stupid post!

So Agha, Hesson and Aqib wrestle control from Babar/Rizwan and their agency to get Pakistan back on track….

And now RizBar reap the rewards of this powershift by replacing Agha??

Low IQ, bottom tier

He made some good points

 

[Usman Chadda]

No, the issue has always been playing the likes of Babar, Rizwan, Salman, Talat, Tayyab Tahir etc in T20 cricket.

The two times we conceded 180+ this season, we lost so that pretty much tells you where we stand at the moment as a batting unit.

We have one of the worst batting line-ups going into the World Cup.

 

[Rana]

He made some good points

Of course they are good points to you

 

[zaidihusain]

It was actually there batting position and them consuming the power play and now with Farhan and Saim pretty solved the power play issue we can easily play Rizwan instead of Agha at no4 with Fakhar and Hasan Nawaz (hopefully he will develop too) at 5 and 6 and then the Nawaz 2.0 and Shaheen and Abrar and the pacers,
Suddenly the team looking good both on paper and on performance and with the emergence of Usman and Abrar started to find his feet and Nawaz 2.0 and Saim Ayub handy spin the spin attack is more than settled , Salman Mirza is also a good find but need to find couple of T20 specialists pacers as I believe Naseem, Haris and Waseem are not good enough for T20is , we can definitely try Ahmed Danial and hopefully Ali Raza will be ready by next year end too.

The team looking in good shape for the World Cup.
Oh and Rana sb has also improved a lot to keep his spot in the squad.

Both Rizwan, Babar & Haris Rauf must announce retirement from T20 cricket. They have nothing to add in this team except mediocrity. Pakistan team doesn't need selfish cricketers in fact it needs selfless cricketers.

 

[CricVet]

What's up with Don Rizwan & His loving fans to have him bat at 4 - so he could eat the dots till the team is out of the game? Screw that. Like the rest, get in line and bat where the situation demands.

 

[GOSH11]

It is laughable how fanboys do not see the potential of a combined approach.

2 explosive openers

3 to 6 are flexible with babar and rizzy floatable and Rizzy not coming in before 5. Play the situations and maximise the odds, to have a safety net or those that succeed more often than not vs those that fail more often than not is the sensible way.

Yet, we have supreme idiocy of baxking one hit wonders.

I just want Pakistan to maximise their chances, the team needs to cover all bases.

 

[hafizexpress]

I don't get the obsession with forcing Rizwan back into the side if you already have Babar and Agha in the middle. Y'all are forcing Riz to replace Agha as if you think Rizwan is any better. Agha can be slow just like Rizwan but he can also activate another gear in the middle overs that Rizwan cannot. So what is this propaganda and blind love for an individual who you have already seen multiple years of and saw nothing fruitful out of it. Not one cup, multiple failures, multiple failed performances in important games, etc etc. It takes even a casual to say that the team desperately needed a change. The country comes before individuals

 

[GOSH11]

I don't get the obsession with forcing Rizwan back into the side if you already have Babar and Agha in the middle. Y'all are forcing Riz to replace Agha as if you think Rizwan is any better. Agha can be slow just like Rizwan but he can also activate another gear in the middle overs that Rizwan cannot. So what is this propaganda and blind love for an individual who you have already seen multiple years of and saw nothing fruitful out of it. Not one cup, multiple failures, multiple failed performances in important games, etc etc. It takes even a casual to say that the team desperately needed a change. The country comes before individuals

I agree- if Salman can get his average and SR where it should be... he is some way off that, we have failed to put up effective totals at times- thagmt is frustrating.

 

[Rana]

I agree- if Salman can get his average and SR where it should be... he is some way off that, we have failed to put up effective totals at times- thagmt is frustrating.

There isn’t another hundred games for him to get where you want him to be…on top of it, Rizwan isn’t where you want Agha to be in the first place when it comes to proof that he’s a better middle order choice.

So stop playing your little snakey games here.

 

[GOSH11]

There isn’t another hundred games for him to get where you want him to be…on top of it, Rizwan isn’t where you want Agha to be in the first place when it comes to proof that he’s a better middle order choice.

So stop playing your little snakey games here.

Agha is the incumbent- it is on him to show he deserves to hold that position i.e. good average and good SR.

He is not there atm.... i understand your personal dislike of rizzy but hypocrisy is not the way.

Let's hope Salman has a dream T20I WC, i will back whoever is picked but rationally, rizzy down the order makes ss sense.

 

[Rana]

Agha is the incumbent- it is on him to show he deserves to hold that position i.e. good average and good SR

He’s the captain. He’s going nowhere. He’s a good captain on top of it.

He doesn’t need to show anything more right now until the tournament itself.

We are not going into a tournament with a middle order of Babar, Agha, Rizwan. Is that clear?

 

[GOSH11]

He’s the captain. He’s going nowhere. He’s a good captain on top of it.

He doesn’t need to show anything more right now until the tournament itself.

We are not going into a tournament with a middle order of Babar, Agha, Rizwan. Is that clear?

Agreed that he is a good skipper but you keep ignoring (conveniently) the point- is his batting record good enough for T20I?

It is clear as day that atm it is NOT.... is that clear?

 

[Rana]

Agreed that he is a good skipper but you keep ignoring (conveniently) the point- is his batting record good enough for T20I?

It is clear as day that atm it is NOT.... is that clear?

So, what do we do now? Sack him and bring Rizwan in?

 

[GOSH11]

So, what do we do now? Sack him and bring Rizwan in?

My point is, there are 4 slots there from 3 to 6.

Personally, some combo of Babar, Fakhar, Rizzy should be in there BUT tailor the situation to matchups and game situation.

However, if it is UK and Salman for the WC, i will be cheering for them wholeheartedly!

 

[Rana]

My point is, there are 4 slots there from 3 to 6.

Personally, some combo of Babar, Fakhar, Rizzy should be in there BUT tailor the situation to matchups and game situation.

However, if it is UK and Salman for the WC, i will be cheering for them wholeheartedly!

Your confused. No clarity of mind.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I think what some people fail to understand is that in just a couple of years the T20 format has advanced very rapidly. Back in 2022, it was acceptable to have even two anchors in your T20 side who batted at a strike-rate of roundabout 130. Since then, every top team has started packing their side with batsmen who can strike at 145-150+...the standard of what's acceptable has just gone up, and Pakistan have failed to keep up with the times.

The 2024 T20 World Cup was a reality check and an eye-opener regarding where we were in T20 cricket. And while some of us did open our eyes, it seems certain others just willingly kept them closed.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Problem is our openers are still playing poor cricket in powerplay, where people were doing bhangra over rizbabar... What improvement is there when it comes to power play.

Runrate is still around 7.3or 4

 

[GOSH11]

Your confused. No clarity of mind.

Lol, a generic response...

Perfect clarity of mind and rational thought process as opposed to fanboy like fantasies of playing people who have not got a good enough record and hating on others for some untold reason.....

I will answer the question that you failed to.... Salman and UK's record is not good enough.... good enough sample size BUT again, i will say, i hope Pakistan can win the wc and they contribute.

See, that is not so hard.... objective.... look it up!

 

[hafizexpress]

I agree- if Salman can get his average and SR where it should be... he is some way off that, we have failed to put up effective totals at times- thagmt is frustrating.

And how is Rizwan supposed to be the solution to this? I just don't get why Rizwan of all people. Why are we so insistent on forcing him back to the side. The propaganda to justify his returns for the last many years is scary... in the 20 overs format that is. I fully support his inclusion in the longer formats but in the t20 format, it doesn't make sense at all. He's been rightfully sidelined, and in sha Allah it remains that way.

 

[Sachin fan]

It was actually there batting position and them consuming the power play and now with Farhan and Saim pretty solved the power play issue we can easily play Rizwan instead of Agha at no4 with Fakhar and Hasan Nawaz (hopefully he will develop too) at 5 and 6 and then the Nawaz 2.0 and Shaheen and Abrar and the pacers,
Suddenly the team looking good both on paper and on performance and with the emergence of Usman and Abrar started to find his feet and Nawaz 2.0 and Saim Ayub handy spin the spin attack is more than settled , Salman Mirza is also a good find but need to find couple of T20 specialists pacers as I believe Naseem, Haris and Waseem are not good enough for T20is , we can definitely try Ahmed Danial and hopefully Ali Raza will be ready by next year end too.

The team looking in good shape for the World Cup.
Oh and Rana sb has also improved a lot to keep his spot in the squad.

Pakistani team usually looks good in bilaterals against weak teams. Rizbar have made their career through shining in these.

This is the same cycle which follows - you win in bilaterals against teams not taking things seriously, Rizbar fans start chest thumping.

Then world cup and big tournaments come. Teams have strong XI and take things seriously. Pakistan does bad and crashes out.

They make temporary changes. New guys take time settling in. Then people cry for Rizbar to be back. They come back and shine in useless bilaterals. Their fans claim they never were the problem.

Rinse and repeat. The cycle continues endlessly while Pakistan fails to rise from medicocrity.

 

[sweep_shot]

Having both Babar and Rizwan in T20 is a bit risky because both are accumulators. They can slow things down on flat pitches or when targets are huge.

It is like playing Ian Bell and Joe Root in T20. Both are good for Test/ODI but not T20.

 

[GOSH11]

And how is Rizwan supposed to be the solution to this? I just don't get why Rizwan of all people. Why are we so insistent on forcing him back to the side. The propaganda to justify his returns for the last many years is scary... in the 20 overs format that is. I fully support his inclusion in the longer formats but in the t20 format, it doesn't make sense at all. He's been rightfully sidelined, and in sha Allah it remains that way.

He has actually shown some capability, good average and decent SR- sure, in a different role but capability at this level- moreso than some that average 18 and SR 120. We need to maximise our chances and logically having more capable players helps with that unless, like Rana, people are happy with a batsman averaging 18 and SR 120- I am not. UK, if he plays the wc- will back him but we need to be pragmatic and not fanboy hatred like some do- Rizzy is clearly more capable based in track record than UK (to this point..... unless UK can up his stats). There was talk of Khawaja Nafay, no issues- for me, could not care less who has that role AS LONG AS they are doing better than an average of 18 and SR if 120.

 

[mominsaigol]

Your confused. No clarity of mind.

Problem is our openers are still playing poor cricket in powerplay, where people were doing bhangra over rizbabar... What improvement is there when it comes to power play.

Runrate is still around 7.3or 4

Oh Lord, @Rana I forgot about BouncerGuy and his Agendas. Please inform him that their cricket to be played after 6 overs as well.

 

[Rana]

He has actually shown some capability, good average and decent SR- sure, in a different role but capability at this level

Where???

In your dreams??

 

[Muhammad Saad]

In order to maximize our chance for T20 World Cup then Riz should be back in place of Agha he’s got proven T20 record and our team collapses more often than not and our spin attack is close to world class now.

 

[Rana]

In order to maximize our chance for T20 World Cup then Riz should be back in place of Agha he’s got proven T20 record

So you are saying we should open with Rizwan?

 

[Rana]

@Muhammad Saad I remember there was a PSL match thread where you claimed Ubaid Shah is better than Steve Harmison

 

[GOSH11]

Where???

In your dreams??

Average of 47 and SR of 125 is capable....as I mentioned in a diff role but shown he can play at this level.

I know you struggle with statistics but 47 @125 is decent, especially in a floating role down the order- sure, the numbers will shift a bit but it will not hard for hin to beat ave of 18 and SR of 120 and as a keeper alone, he is good.

Like i mentioned, this is a moot (look it up) point if UK or anyone can get a decent average at a decent strike rate.

No agenda or fanboying here, will leave that to you and In sha Allah one day you can develop some understanding of statistics

 

[hafizexpress]

Average of 47 and SR of 125 is capable....as I mentioned in a diff role but shown he can play at this level.

I know you struggle with statistics but 47 @125 is decent, especially in a floating role down the order- sure, the numbers will shift a bit but it will not hard for hin to beat ave of 18 and SR of 120 and as a keeper alone, he is good.

Like i mentioned, this is a moot (look it up) point if UK or anyone can get a decent average at a decent strike rate.

No agenda or fanboying here, will leave that to you and In sha Allah one day you can develop some understanding of statistics

He's also shown he can fail brutally at this level and play match-losing performances. You are too deep into stats. If it was all about stats then Faheem would not be on the team. Are you against his inclusion right now too? If you viewed selection the same way in 2020 as you do now, you wouldn't even pick Rizwan to be in the team.

 

[gazza619]

Good thread. Riz needs to be back in the set up ahead of the kachra keepers.

 

[jamie smith fan]

Lol why are people trying to bring riz back into T20I squad when he himself isnt willing to do nor trying

 

[zahid01]

Rizwan is a superior wicketkeeper no doubt but he's not a t20 player just like babar i would make farhan keep in t20 he did it in psl

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Rizwan is a superior wicketkeeper no doubt but he's not a t20 player just like babar i would make farhan keep in t20 he did it in psl

He is potentially our best batter.

No point overburdenening him.

Usman has done ok. Let's keep him on for a bit.

Khawaja can be tried too.

 

[zahid01]

He is potentially our best batter.

No point overburdenening him.

Usman has done ok. Let's keep him on for a bit.

Khawaja can be tried too.

Try someone who has t20 game let's be honest t20 is glorified sloggers game

 

[ads101]

I think the issue is more Babar. Babar could have gone to no.3 earlier just an insistence of opening.

We have to try the potential openers that are strike better than Rizwan or Babar at good averages.

These are Saim, fakhar and usman. Maybe Farhan too, but it is more the case he has improved recently. His past didn’t merit a call up in t20s. Sharjeel would have been a name if he both didn’t fix and generally poor in PSL since his ban.

It has to be people who have proved this in PSL. There’s no point just playing anyone.

Sharjeel is done and it’s his own fault. Fakhar has had a lot of games in top order and opening and hasn’t proved himself. And is older now. As I’ve said he’s generally looked better at 4/mid order anyway.

Saim has done very badly and played a lot games. His failures as an opener hurts his opening partner tbh. Needs to start performing or he’s going to get dropped.

Usman hasn’t had the chances like the rest. And I think absolutely deserves a shot. Regardless of technique, footwork etc. He has earnt it unlike most others.

Farhan has done decently well. Just not amazing as some said. Hopefully he will get better. But he’s outperformed the rest and deserves to be persisted with.

If Farhan, Usman, Saim don’t work out, Rizwan is probably the next best bet. But there’s already 3 names that we can realistically try right now.

 

[hafizexpress]

If Farhan, Usman, Saim don’t work out, Rizwan is probably the next best bet. But there’s already 3 names that we can realistically try right now.

Those 3 names have already proven that they belong in this format more than Rizwan does so there's no point in entertaining this discussion. Rotation of players in and out due to lack of performances is normal but the constant mentioning and pushing of Rizwan in this convo is strange.

 

[TheSultan]

Babar and Rizwan always insisted there is no other position for them apart from opening and if ever dare to try anything else we will destroy our team.

Well, they haven’t been opening all year and the team is fine. You could have swallowed your pride years ago, but you wanted to continue your zid.

Reap your rewards. Since the only place you can provide value is opening, you’re services are not required.

Bye

 

[daytrader]

Problem is our openers are still playing poor cricket in powerplay, where people were doing bhangra over rizbabar... What improvement is there when it comes to power play.

Runrate is still around 7.3or 4

I came across a stat earlier that we have the 2nd lowest powerplay run rate this year. Only Afghanistan is behind us. Maybe this has changed after the tri-series

 

[Rana]

I came across a stat earlier that we have the 2nd lowest powerplay run rate this year. Only Afghanistan is behind us. Maybe this has changed after the tri-series

Jitna marzi ro le.

Babar and Rizwan are not ever going to open again for Pakistan.

The scam is over!

 

[daytrader]

Jitna marzi ro le.

Babar and Rizwan are not ever going to open again for Pakistan.

The scam is over!

Toh aap abhi tak kyun ro rhe ho? Maybe because you can sense the inevitable

Babar's already back at 1 down. Not long till Rizwan comes back

 

[Muhammad Saad]

@Muhammad Saad I remember there was a PSL match thread where you claimed Ubaid Shah is better than Steve Harmison

Bro I never said that because they belong to different generation and have nothing in common.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Jitna marzi ro le.

Babar and Rizwan are not ever going to open again for Pakistan.

The scam is over!

No body asking them to open but just look at Agha numbers in t20 compare to Rizwan he is literally not half as good as Rizwan.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Any mid table side would welcome a player averaging 47 @ 130 S/R specially if all other batters are barely hitting 25 @ 130+ S/R

 

[BouncerGuy]

Any mid table side would welcome a player averaging 47 @ 130 S/R specially if all other batters are barely hitting 25 @ 130+ S/R

But there are people here who are happy at a mediocre 115 with like 20 average and are doing bhaangra over it....

 

[GOSH11]

Those 3 names have already proven that they belong in this format more than Rizwan does so there's no point in entertaining this discussion. Rotation of players in and out due to lack of performances is normal but the constant mentioning and pushing of Rizwan in this convo is strange.

Can you explain how those 3 have proven they belong, please?

For the record- I would like us to persist with Farhan and Saim as openers and would not have Rizzy bat higher than no 5 (if needed) and that too, if there were no decent options- for me 18@120 is not decent unless that is rectified quickly!

I just do not get where blind hatred comes from?! We want Pakistan to win and should be maximising that, rather than like/dislike etc.

 

[TheSultan]

Can you explain how those 3 have proven they belong, please?

For the record- I would like us to persist with Farhan and Saim as openers and would not have Rizzy bat higher than no 5 (if needed) and that too, if there were no decent options- for me 18@120 is not decent unless that is rectified quickly!

I just do not get where blind hatred comes from?! We want Pakistan to win and should be maximising that, rather than like/dislike etc.

But Rizwan himself has said he can’t bat lower than opening to be successful in T20s. I suggest we take him at his word.

The opening slots are full and he can’t bat below that so…..sorry no space for him

 

[GOSH11]

But Rizwan himself has said he can’t bat lower than opening to be successful in T20s. I suggest we take him at his word.

The opening slots are full and he can’t bat below that so…..sorry no space for him

In that case, no spot for him.

He should not be considered as an opener unless he shows consistently that his SR is 135+

 

[hafizexpress]

In that case, no spot for him.

He should not be considered as an opener unless he shows consistently that his SR is 135+

Which he failed to do for 5 years straight so I hope that gives you your answer and ends a pointless discussion about inserting Riz into the lineup for no reason.

 

[Rana]

Any mid table side would welcome a player averaging 47 @ 130 S/R specially if all other batters are barely hitting 25 @ 130+ S/R

In what position?

So we just accept being mid table because we like Rizwan?

 

[daytrader]

In that case, no spot for him.

He should not be considered as an opener unless he shows consistently that his SR is 135+

We don't have any openers who are doing that. Sahibzada was the best batter this year, hsi strike rate is around 133. Saim is even lower at 129.

 

[topspin]

It was actually there batting position and them consuming the power play and now with Farhan and Saim pretty solved the power play issue we can easily play Rizwan instead of Agha at no4 with Fakhar and Hasan Nawaz (hopefully he will develop too) at 5 and 6 and then the Nawaz 2.0 and Shaheen and Abrar and the pacers,
Suddenly the team looking good both on paper and on performance and with the emergence of Usman and Abrar started to find his feet and Nawaz 2.0 and Saim Ayub handy spin the spin attack is more than settled , Salman Mirza is also a good find but need to find couple of T20 specialists pacers as I believe Naseem, Haris and Waseem are not good enough for T20is , we can definitely try Ahmed Danial and hopefully Ali Raza will be ready by next year end too.

The team looking in good shape for the World Cup.
Oh and Rana sb has also improved a lot to keep his spot in the squad.

I don't think you would've come up with this thread if you did your homework.

This is how Babar performed:

1st match - Zimbabwe: Duck
2nd match - Sri Lanka: 16 off 22 balls
3rd match - Zimbabwe: 74 off 52 balls
4th match - Sri Lanka: Another Duck
Final - Sri Lanka: Unbeaten 37 off 34 balls

In summary, he scored 127 runs at a strike rate of 112. When you consider the calibre of opposition, it is a minnow-worthy level of performance. His strike rate was sub-par in all the games he played.

 

[Rana]

I don't think you would've come up with this thread if you did your homework.

This is how Babar performed:

1st match - Zimbabwe: Duck
2nd match - Sri Lanka: 16 off 22 balls
3rd match - Zimbabwe: 74 off 52 balls
4th match - Sri Lanka: Another Duck
Final - Sri Lanka: Unbeaten 37 off 34 balls

In summary, he scored 127 runs at a strike rate of 112. When you consider the calibre of opposition, it is a minnow-worthy level of performance. His strike rate was sub-par in all the games he played.

Mate I’m pretty sure I had an awkward run in with this guy during a PSL match thread where I pointed out Ubaid seems to only rely on bowling short/back of a length and has no game plan, and this will hurt him because he is no Harmison….and I remember him saying Ubaid is already better than Harmison (lol).

I just left it there. The bloke is not quite glued on with how to read the game. It’s funny how he asserts that Babar and Rizwan should now be given the privilege to pick up from the good work Agha has done to actually give you a team/XI with a combined approach instead of having two batsmen who have a completely different approach to the game as compared to the other 9 players.

 

[Rana]

Babar's already back at 1 down. Not long till Rizwan comes back

By all means come back and get this over and done with. Like Rizwan finally getting the captaincy role and having it removed within months.

Dig your own graves. Go for it. The quicker they come, the quicker they will be gone forever.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Mate I’m pretty sure I had an awkward run in with this guy during a PSL match thread where I pointed out Ubaid seems to only rely on bowling short/back of a length and has no game plan, and this will hurt him because he is no Harmison….and I remember him saying Ubaid is already better than Harmison (lol).

I just left it there. The bloke is not quite glued on with how to read the game. It’s funny how he asserts that Babar and Rizwan should now be given the privilege to pick up from the good work Agha has done to actually give you a team/XI with a combined approach instead of having two batsmen who have a completely different approach to the game as compared to the other 9 players.

Bro you can run rizwan and babar haters club in your own dedicated thread because you have no idea about pak cricket and the level of talent we have these days and one more thing if you have a memory of an elephant can you dig my post where I said Ubaid is better than Harmison? Because I can’t remember.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

I don't think you would've come up with this thread if you did your homework.

This is how Babar performed:

1st match - Zimbabwe: Duck
2nd match - Sri Lanka: 16 off 22 balls
3rd match - Zimbabwe: 74 off 52 balls
4th match - Sri Lanka: Another Duck
Final - Sri Lanka: Unbeaten 37 off 34 balls

In summary, he scored 127 runs at a strike rate of 112. When you consider the calibre of opposition, it is a minnow-worthy level of performance. His strike rate was sub-par in all the games he played.

Just tell me about any domestic player who is averaging 35+ @ 130 S/R even at domestic level before highlighting Babar comeback performances.

It’s not that I love Riz Babar by any means but sadly we don’t have any talent better than them at the moment.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

@Rana And final advice for you, just try to remove jealousy and hatred from your heart and focus on yourself and your own self worth because I have rarely seen haters and jealous people ever achieve anything meaningful in their lives , they just keep burning inside while the other person which they hate didn’t even bother about them.

 

[BouncerGuy]

If Salman Ali Agha is not the problem in t20 team then there is none... Simple

He played selfishly at number 4 and made Fakhar Zaman a lower-order batter for his own self.

 

[Rana]

Bro you can run rizwan and babar haters club in your own dedicated thread because you have no idea about pak cricket and the level of talent we have these days and one more thing if you have a memory of an elephant can you dig my post where I said Ubaid is better than Harmison? Because I can’t remember.

@Rana And final advice for you, just try to remove jealousy and hatred from your heart and focus on yourself and your own self worth because I have rarely seen haters and jealous people ever achieve anything meaningful in their lives , they just keep burning inside while the other person which they hate didn’t even bother about them.

Rizwan or Babar for that matter are not needed in T20, they are liabilities. The more they play and hinder their side’s progress, I will continue to have a serious problem. You can call it hate if you want, I will take it upon me as my duty to carry on hounding them and their followers who I insist strongly believe do not have the best interests of Pakistan cricket.

You can do your thing, it will come at a serious cost though.

As for the Harmison/Ubaid thing; you should also know that I do not forget a wrongun here when I see one.

 

[Rana]

It’s not that I love Riz Babar by any means but sadly we don’t have any talent better than them at the moment.

Oh look, the same lies being told again.

Where have we heard this before?

@topspin @mominsaigol @Dr_Bassim @shaz619 @TheSultan @YousafTheBeast @emranabbas @RyanRyan10


Lads watch out for this guy and his posts going forward.

 

[TheSultan]

Oh look, the same lies being told again.

Where have we heard this before?

@topspin @mominsaigol @Dr_Bassim @shaz619 @TheSultan @YousafTheBeast @emranabbas @RyanRyan10


Lads watch out for this guy and his posts going forward.

The good old “there’s no one better” brigade.

I heard the same thing 2011-2015 for ODIs - “there’s no one better than Misbah”

 

[Muhammad Saad]

You really made me chuckle with this line , stop behaving like a paranoid aunty who thinks everyone is against her, BTW I am still waiting for my post where I said Ubaid Shah is better than Harmission.

To be fair I certainly don't have any favorites in this Pak XI not even a single favorite player, the last player I admired about who played for Pakistan was M.Amir and that too in 2009 Amir not post ban Amir.

Oh look, the same lies being told again.

Where have we heard this before?

@topspin @mominsaigol @Dr_Bassim @shaz619 @TheSultan @YousafTheBeast @emranabbas @RyanRyan10


Lads watch out for this guy and his posts going forward.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

The good old “there’s no one better” brigade.

I heard the same thing 2011-2015 for ODIs - “there’s no one better than Misbah”

I actually used to believe that too that Misbah is just lying about upcoming talent and we have so much better talent which is just not getting any chances but my views changed since 2020 when each and every single youngsta beauty player from 2020 onwards failed left right and center.

 

[TheSultan]

I actually used to believe that too that Misbah is just lying about upcoming talent and we have so much better talent who is just not getting any chance but my views changed since 2020 when each and every single youngsta beauty player from 2020 onwards failed left right and center.

Did we miss Misbah in ODIs after he retired? For years we got told “there’s no one better”

 

[Rana]

You really made me chuckle with this line , stop behaving like a paranoid aunty who thinks everyone is against her, BTW I am still waiting for my post where I said Ubaid Shah is better than Harmission.

To be fair I certainly don't have any favorites in this Pak XI not even a single favorite player, the last player I admired about who played for Pakistan was M.Amir and that too in 2009 Amir not post ban Amir.

Right now, I don’t care if you have any favourites or not.

You should have thought twice before posting that b.s in your opening post. All I can see is a clear agenda to stuff in two rubbish players into a format where they have no business. On top of it, you are coming up with the same rubbish that their supporters have used for years to continue to protect them.


You want to play these stupid games, then you should know the stupid prizes you will win as a result!

 

[Rana]

Did we miss Misbah in ODIs after he retired? For years we got told “there’s no one better”

We were actually going pretty well without Misbah until Misbah himself came back and tried reinserting the issue by giving us his tohfa Rizwan.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Right now, I don’t care if you have any favourites or not.

You should have thought twice before posting that b.s in your opening post. All I can see is a clear agenda to stuff in two rubbish players into a format where they have no business. On top of it, you are coming up with the same rubbish that their supporters have used for years to continue to protect them.


You want to play these stupid games, then you should know the stupid prizes you will win as a result!

I am out, you are talking non sense here. Good luck with your future with that jealousy and agenda which you think people make against you or against a team that you love.

 

[Rana]

I am out, you are talking non sense here. Good luck with your future with that jealousy and agenda which you think people make against you or against a team that you love.

Yeah get out after suggesting Babar and Rizwan were never the problem

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Yeah get out after suggesting Babar and Rizwan were never the problem

They were/are not the problem , it's the other crappy 20 odd average batters who can't even strike big consistently being the main problem and any person who has an iota of cricket knows this.

 

[TheSultan]

The funny thing is when we got that great tohfa of babar and Rizwan - there wasn’t any problem to solve!

So they come in as a solution to a non existent problem, fail spectacularly in all ICC tournaments, are removed, we don’t do any worse than them and were told they weren’t the problem.


The “problem” is they created a problem, we were told to “give them time” to solve whatever they were planning to solve, and created a huge “problem” at the top of the order. When we drop them and try to solve the “problem” created by these two and don’t fare any worse the “give them time” brigade doesn’t want to give the replacements time!

What a circus

 

[Muhammad Saad]

The funny thing is when we got that great tohfa of babar and Rizwan - there wasn’t any problem to solve!

So they come in as a solution to a non existent problem, fail spectacularly in all ICC tournaments, are removed, we don’t do any worse than them and were told they weren’t the problem.


The “problem” is they created a problem, we were told to “give them time” to solve whatever they were planning to solve, and created a huge “problem” at the top of the order. When we drop them and try to solve the “problem” created by these two and don’t fare any worse the “give them time” brigade doesn’t want to give the replacements time!

What a circus

Then why don't they get replaced by batters who can average 30-35 with 140 S/R? where are these batters? show me one in the domestic cricket just one or just pluck any one from the street who you think is capable of doing that.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Babar and Rizwan only crime was that they used to open and really disturb the momentum later on the innings because the other batters were too limited in skill set and talent to actually perform with a high strike rate consistently , even when they both got removed from the T20Is Pak team were not scoring 220+ in T20is right? you need talent to score those many runs in T20is which we simply don't have.
In 2004 Ufone pace competition which I attended myself there were at least 4000 kids/teenagers who were waiting outside the stadium for there turn and every bowler only get to ball once if he has hit less than 120k speed and now just look at the pace competition held few months back in the Faisalabad under Ejaz Jnr , there were hardly 70-100 kids and any one who bowled above 110k were getting many retries. This show where our cricket is heading

 

[shaz619]

Oh look, the same lies being told again.

Where have we heard this before?

@topspin @mominsaigol @Dr_Bassim @shaz619 @TheSultan @YousafTheBeast @emranabbas @RyanRyan10


Lads watch out for this guy and his posts going forward.

I think this thread had been prepared in advance, prior to all the series Pakistan played, hours were spent to come up with this genius plan, the only problem with it was that Pakistan won their T20 series & the monkey’s in the truck still clicked on the post button for an unfathomable reason They could have at least been a bit cleverer on when to spew this dated narrative that Pakistan Cricket can’t function without a couple of players in a team sport with modern demands.

 

[Rana]

In 2004 Ufone pace competition which I attended myself there were at least 4000 kids/teenagers who were waiting outside the stadium for there turn and every bowler only get to ball once if he has hit less than 120k speed and now just look at the pace competition held few months back in the Faisalabad under Ejaz Jnr , there were hardly 70-100 kids and any one who bowled above 110k were getting many retries. This show where our cricket is heading

What a load of malarkey

So Babar and Rizwan are the solution to this problem you witnessed?

 

[Usman Chadda]

What a load of rubbish, this is the exact brainwashing nonsense that is destroying our cricket at the moment.

Just because we don’t have ‘talent’ according to a few people here, we need to get stuck with two dinosaurs who are IRRELEVANT in this format, be it any level?

Atleast start playing the format in the right way, so that even if we don’t win a lot right now, the young talent coming up has a clear template on how to play at this level.

We neither have skill nor the attitude right now, we can start off by fixing the attitude part atleast.