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So Pakistan Test team is finally exposed outside UAE?

England will win this series comfortably and they won the Sri Lankan series comfortably as well. However, England should definitely be a bit disappointed because they should have won all Tests this summer.

The fact is that Sri Lanka and Pakistan are no match for a full-strength English team in English conditions.

It is a good summer for England, but it could have been greater.



This match is turning into an absolute rout. Could very well be our record defeat in Test history.

I don't think this team is mentally strong enough to respond after this embarrassment. This is an aspect where this England team is very good. They brush off defeats very quickly and are able to switch on without lingering on it.


Firstly, England back themselves to win in England regardless of who they are playing against. Secondly, if Pakistan would have come anywhere close to matching England's achievements in Tests over the last 5 years, Pakistani folks would have had more reasons to be optimistic than Pakistani folks.

We are talking about a team that has reached the number one ranking and won in Australia, India and South Africa in the last 5 years, compared to a team that has played almost all of its cricket in the UAE in the last 6 years and got thumped in South Africa and couldn't even win a series in Zimbabwe.


Too much is made of England not winning a Test against Pakistan in the UAE. I think we need to have some perspective here.

Firstly, the only reason why they did not win the Abu Dhabi Test was because of bad light. That match was good as a defeat for Pakistan.

Secondly, England compete pretty well in the UAE but they have been found wanting when it comes to finishing off games, while Pakistan have shown a lot of resilience which is appreciable.

The 3-0 whitewash in 2012 was by no means a one-sided series, even if we won all matches. Similarly in 2015, they were on the bring of winning in Abu Dhabi and had a 70 runs lead at Sharjah.

Pakistan on the other hand did win a match in 2010 and have won one in 2016 too, but our defeats are much heavier, we ended up getting beat black and blue.

We are absolutely thrashed in the first, second and fourth Tests in England in 2010 and we are getting absolutely thrashed here.

In fact, we can potentially suffer our worst innings defeat in Test cricket here, a record that was set at Lord's in 2010.

In other words, England could very well hand us consecutive record-breaking innings defeats in England.

In 2010, we also suffered our largest defeat by runs in the first Test.

At least England compete for 60%-70% of the matches in the UAE, while Pakistan hardly compete for more than 20% in most matches.

I don't know if I would take one or two wins and 5-6 massive thrashings or no wins but a very near-win and 2-3 normal losses.


It applies to Pakistan because Pakistani fans like to pretend that Pakistan is the best Test team in the world and good enough to compete everywhere.

This thread, which came after just one match, is testament to this mentality.

If Pakistani fans accept that Pakistan is just another HTB Test team, people will not make too much of these losses, but when you talk big, you will have to bear the consequences.

Even though we got thrashed in SA in 2013 and couldn't win in Zimbabwe, Pakistani fans really overrate their Test team.

In truth, it is at the same level as India and better than Sri Lanka at the moment. Not the best team by any measure.


That is another myth. Our batsmen simply don't have the class and the ability to score runs in places like England, Australia, South Africa etc. even if they play there every year.

Our one opener is not Test class outside Asia while our other opener is not Test class anywhere. The middle-order including Younis Khan is rubbish against quality pace bowling and so is our wicket-keeper.

Fast bowling is extremely mediocre as well.

We cannot perform at the same level as England in other countries not because England play more matches but because our batsmen are not fit to wipe shoes of Root and Cook and Anderson and Broad are far better than our pacers.

In addition, we have no all-rounders at all and they have Stokes and now Woakes.



Yes it is not over, but I don't see a way back after this thrashing. The scars won't go away easily and we are mentally shot now.
Sorry man, England have been awful in the UAE. No amount of chest-beating from a kid driven with inferiority complex will change that. England have 'competed' and won nothing over a period of 4 years and 6 tests, while Pakistan has actually won 2 tests over a period of 6 years and 6 tests in England. Simple as that, yes?

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Sorry man, England have been awful in the UAE. No amount of chest-beating from a kid driven with inferiority complex will change that. England have 'competed' and won nothing over a period of 4 years and 6 tests, while Pakistan has actually won 2 tests over a period of 6 years and 6 tests in England. Simple as that, yes?

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I always feel he is seeking some attention.


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no doubt tht england is an outstanding team, bat deep, bowlers r world class, amazing all-rounders.. only problem is their selection... def need to bring in adil rasheed in place of moeen ali, Rasheed is no Walsh with bat too... so they aint losing much on batting but he is miles better than moeen in bowling... I think england take their spinner as a defending option which is soo wrong.... this way they wont be able to win in SC at all...

For Pak, bowling is been superb.... apart from an off day at old trafford... but thts xceptable.. but they have done more than many xpected... Pak can pick a random guy walking on the streets of Lahore, Rawalpindi, Burewala, Sialkot, Karachi and Gujranwala and he will be more than a decent bowler but its the batting thts the issue...

Haffez needs to go... no question about it... am more than happy to take chance on Sami- Shan-Ifthikar-Babar-Jahidad-Fakhar and let them roll for 2 years rather than having haffez play for these 2 years... Def Haffezz needs to go....
 
Someone is getting exposed here it's pretty clear from Jimmy's reaction and english faces :P
 
Seems like another premature bump to a premature thread.
 
Sorry man, England have been awful in the UAE. No amount of chest-beating from a kid driven with inferiority complex will change that. England have 'competed' and won nothing over a period of 4 years and 6 tests, while Pakistan has actually won 2 tests over a period of 6 years and 6 tests in England. Simple as that, yes?

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Not everything is black and white. Your thinking is not wrong, but it's different to mine.
 
Seems like another premature bump to a premature thread.

There is a difference between getting exposed overseas as predicted by some here in threads after thread when we were playing in UAE and going down while fighting is a different thing. I don't mind losing overseas Tests against top teams if we show the fighting spirit. England wasn't able to achieve anything in our so called home in 2 different tours while we are producing results in their backyard just like last we always do.

Now don't try find excuses like this happen and that happen and luck etc because all these factor combined produce the result.

I can feel for you so i hope Pakistan batting collapse here so that you can celebrate and have a good day at PP :yk
 
Not everything is black and white. Your thinking is not wrong, but it's different to mine.
Cold, hard facts. This England team is nothing special. The one in 2011-2012 was more than decent for sure, but this one is an average side with too many passengers and uncertain slots.

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Cold, hard facts. This England team is nothing special. The one in 2011-2012 was more than decent for sure, but this one is an average side with too many passengers and uncertain slots.

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Almost 2 sessions now and only 1 wicket for England. I am pretty sure if pakistani bowlers showed this type of performance Mamoon was going to jump up and down post all type garbage against them.
 
We are UAE (home) track bullies.

But let's be honest which team isnt these days? Australia gets thrashed in Asia, England gets smashed in the UAE, India gets hit badly in the UK. They are all very good at home.

It's the reason test cricket is getting one sided and boring these days.
 
Premature thread will be premature.

Short answer is yes. We have lost 3 Tests in the UAE in 6 years, and here we are, losing 2 in England comprehensively in a month, and will probably lose at The Oval as well.
 
Cold, hard facts. This England team is nothing special. The one in 2011-2012 was more than decent for sure, but this one is an average side with too many passengers and uncertain slots.

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They did win in SA, where we will lose.

I'd say they are the most well-rounded side at the moment, since they compete better than Australia in Asia.

All-rounders like Woakes and Stokes certainly helps a lot, batting depth is crucial.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and you are back from hiding? If this performance is equal to getting exposed overseas than you my friend is living in lala land. Pakistan is doing better than any other team on their first overseas tour. After watching number 1 ranked team being roasted in Lanka i am really happy with what we did so far in England.
 
We've competed better than what most expected. We've put up more of a fight than India in 2011 and 2014, Australia in 2013 and 2015 and Sri Lanka in 2016.

Our lack of ruthlessness on Day 3, failing to get 500 on a placid pitch and then our 4 bowler strategy (which was always risky, especially with Sohail Khan's lack of fitness) caught up with us.
 
We are UAE (home) track bullies.

But let's be honest which team isnt these days? Australia gets thrashed in Asia, England gets smashed in the UAE, India gets hit badly in the UK. They are all very good at home.

It's the reason test cricket is getting one sided and boring these days.

England and Australia are are good away from home outside Asia.
 
We've competed better than what most expected. We've put up more of a fight than India in 2011 and 2014, Australia in 2013 and 2015 and Sri Lanka in 2016.

Our lack of ruthlessness on Day 3, failing to get 500 on a placid pitch and then our 4 bowler strategy (which was always risky, especially with Sohail Khan's lack of fitness) caught up with us.

Going into last test both India and Pakistan are 2-1 down

And tbh we lost 2nd test convincingly and this is a hammering Too
 
We've competed better than what most expected. We've put up more of a fight than India in 2011 and 2014, Australia in 2013 and 2015 and Sri Lanka in 2016.

Our lack of ruthlessness on Day 3, failing to get 500 on a placid pitch and then our 4 bowler strategy (which was always risky, especially with Sohail Khan's lack of fitness) caught up with us.

India were 1-1 after 3rd test.
 
Going into last test both India and Pakistan are 2-1 down

And tbh we lost 2nd test convincingly and this is a hammering Too

How is this a hammering when we led by 103 runs after the 1st inns.
 
It's gonna be almost a 150 run loss

And have been second best for two days

Yes if you just look at the margin of defeat but we've competed well into the 5th day and if for more application with the bat a draw was easily in our grasp.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and you are back from hiding? If this performance is equal to getting exposed overseas than you my friend is living in lala land. Pakistan is doing better than any other team on their first overseas tour. After watching number 1 ranked team being roasted in Lanka i am really happy with what we did so far in England.

I respect your attempts to save this premature thread, but fact is that we have been exposed outside the UAE, which was inevitable.

What do you mean by first overseas tour?

Same team got thrashed in South Africa and drew 1-1 in Zimbabwe.

This tour is no different to India's in 2014.
 
Yes if you just look at the margin of defeat but we've competed well into the 5th day and if for more application with the bat a draw was easily in our grasp.

Lol we didn't compete much at all yesterday

And today has been a horror show overall
 
I respect your attempts to save this premature thread, but fact is that we have been exposed outside the UAE, which was inevitable.

What do you mean by first overseas tour?

Same team got thrashed in South Africa and drew 1-1 in Zimbabwe.

This tour is no different to India's in 2014.

India got their behinds handed to them against a much more unstable England team where the captain was on the cusp of being sacked and the coach had been sacked earlier. As well as the whole KP drama

So stop equating the two

We've competed this series

India were destroyed in last 3 tests
 
Funny how some posters changed from we will trash England in England to we did better then what most other countries did in England lol
 
I respect your attempts to save this premature thread, but fact is that we have been exposed outside the UAE, which was inevitable.

What do you mean by first overseas tour?

Same team got thrashed in South Africa and drew 1-1 in Zimbabwe.

This tour is no different to India's in 2014.

wow you still have the courage to speak after what happened to your very own english side in first Test and for 8 sessions in this Test? Overseas tour after 3 years against a top team. SA tour was more than 3 years ago.

But well you will always find reasons to some how show Pakistan team is a failure.
 
India got their behinds handed to them against a much more unstable England team where the captain was on the cusp of being sacked and the coach had been sacked earlier. As well as the whole KP drama

So stop equating the two

We've competed this series

India were destroyed in last 3 tests

If you micro-analyze, every series is different to some extent, but the general flow is the same, except that India played 5 matches and drew one.

Go 1-0 at Lord's due to an amazing individual spell (Ishant & Yasir) and then lose the next 3 matches comprehensively.

If we micro-analyze and say that we did better than them to an extent which proves that we are better overseas, than India can also claim that they won't lose a Test to Zimbabwe even at their lowest ebb, since it's the lowest low in Test cricket today.

Bottom-line is that a poor performance is a poor performance.

We keep getting exposed outside the UAE just like India keep getting exposed outside India.
 
wow you still have the courage to speak after what happened to your very own english side in first Test and for 8 sessions in this Test? Overseas tour after 3 years against a top team. SA tour was more than 3 years ago.

But well you will always find reasons to some how show Pakistan team is a failure.

Be thankful that it's our first tour in 3 years, otherwise we would have been exposed earlier.

'my' English team just won a series in South Africa, which 'your' Pakistan team cannot.

Neither have 'my' English team lost a Test in Zimababwe like 'your' Pakistan.

I don't see why you are whining here. Just accept that we got exposed outside the UAE and your thread was premature.

Focusing on failures of other teams doesn't negate our failures.
 
Australia are getting humiliated in SL and were whitewashed in the UAE. England has gone winless in every UAE tour. Have they been exposed as well?
At least we won a match and are going in the last match with the series still alive, thats way better than what most teams have done in overseas tour recently.
 
Eid day for some people :)

No worries, we lost, we deserved the defeat. But, still one match to go.
 
Pakistan has done better than most touring sides because of the extreme dead pitches and super sunny conditions in Eng. When India toured Eng in 2014 we were served with green mambas in 4 out of 5 games. The cloud and overcast conditions didn't help either. Only the 1st test at Trent Bridge was flat and it was drawn game. Even SL got much spicier pitches just before this series.
 
Be thankful that it's our first tour in 3 years, otherwise we would have been exposed earlier.

'my' English team just won a series in South Africa, which 'your' Pakistan team cannot.

Neither have 'my' English team lost a Test in Zimababwe like 'your' Pakistan.

I don't see why you are whining here. Just accept that we got exposed outside the UAE and your thread was premature.

Focusing on failures of other teams doesn't negate our failures.

refresh my memory please how many matches your english team won in the desert during last 2 tours and how many we won in our last 2 tours (exclude our victory against aussies in england)? (1 match still left in this series)
 
This is ridiculous.

The only reason we HAVE COMPETED, is because the pitch at Lords was what we wanted.

The pitch at Old Trafford was what we didn't want, and we got destroyed there.

The pitch at Edgbaston was ALSO WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE LIKED but we BLEW IT AWAY over last 2 days having a lead of 100 freaking runs.

If anyone still thinks, we are having a blast in England, they are very myopic and only look at Lords test and England's failures abroad to justify our position.

Otherwise, we have been miserably outplayed in last test, and totally utterly shameful in last 02 days of this test. No point winning the first 3 days of the test, if you can capitulate in last two days.


AS FOR WHAT INDIA DID AND AUSTRALIA ARE DOING IN SRI LANKA, that should be the LEAST OF OUR thinking because a person needs to focus on his own shortcomings.

But of course posters here would look at how India did and Australia are doing and then how England did a year ago in UAE and walk off with head held high.

Do you know why we never reach the best?

Because we find our success in others failures.

Let's be honest.

Pakistan were awful tonight and yesterday and fully deserved this loss and it was embarrassing on a flat pitch.
 
This is ridiculous.

The only reason we HAVE COMPETED, is because the pitch at Lords was what we wanted.

The pitch at Old Trafford was what we didn't want, and we got destroyed there.

The pitch at Edgbaston was ALSO WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE LIKED but we BLEW IT AWAY over last 2 days having a lead of 100 freaking runs.

If anyone still thinks, we are having a blast in England, they are very myopic and only look at Lords test and England's failures abroad to justify our position.

Otherwise, we have been miserably outplayed in last test, and totally utterly shameful in last 02 days of this test. No point winning the first 3 days of the test, if you can capitulate in last two days.


AS FOR WHAT INDIA DID AND AUSTRALIA ARE DOING IN SRI LANKA, that should be the LEAST OF OUR thinking because a person needs to focus on his own shortcomings.

But of course posters here would look at how India did and Australia are doing and then how England did a year ago in UAE and walk off with head held high.

Do you know why we never reach the best?

Because we find our success in others failures.

Let's be honest.

Pakistan were awful tonight and yesterday and fully deserved this loss and it was embarrassing on a flat pitch.

I have to agree with you. Pakistani team has not performed per expectations. The tour has been a failure.
 
Funny how some posters changed from we will trash England in England to w̶e̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶ ̶m̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶E̶n̶g̶l̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶l̶o̶l̶ we haven't got demolished like India lol

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The thing which will hurt this pak side is they were done by a weapon, that pak use to unleash on other teams that is reverse swing.

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This is ridiculous.

The only reason we HAVE COMPETED, is because the pitch at Lords was what we wanted.

The pitch at Old Trafford was what we didn't want, and we got destroyed there.

The pitch at Edgbaston was ALSO WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE LIKED but we BLEW IT AWAY over last 2 days having a lead of 100 freaking runs.

If anyone still thinks, we are having a blast in England, they are very myopic and only look at Lords test and England's failures abroad to justify our position.

Otherwise, we have been miserably outplayed in last test, and totally utterly shameful in last 02 days of this test. No point winning the first 3 days of the test, if you can capitulate in last two days.


AS FOR WHAT INDIA DID AND AUSTRALIA ARE DOING IN SRI LANKA, that should be the LEAST OF OUR thinking because a person needs to focus on his own shortcomings.

But of course posters here would look at how India did and Australia are doing and then how England did a year ago in UAE and walk off with head held high.

Do you know why we never reach the best?

Because we find our success in others failures.

Let's be honest.

Pakistan were awful tonight and yesterday and fully deserved this loss and it was embarrassing on a flat pitch.

Excellent post.

More people like you and Pakistan could actually improve.
 
India got their behinds handed to them against a much more unstable England team where the captain was on the cusp of being sacked and the coach had been sacked earlier. As well as the whole KP drama

So stop equating the two

We've competed this series

India were destroyed in last 3 tests

Eh, India competed in the first 2 tests, was outplayed in the 3rd, and was destroyed in the last 2. The English team was unstable then but this team is too with an unstable batting line up. Not to mention the conditions were far more bowler friendly during the India series.

India were competitive in 2 tests, won 1 and drew 1 in their series. Pakistan have competed well in 2 tests and have won 1 and lost 1. How come Pakistan have been better competitive? If anything, India won in far more adverse conditions than Pak.

Anyway all this comparison is useless because bottomline is both teams aren't upto the mark in England and have been the 2nd best.
 
Eh, India competed in the first 2 tests, was outplayed in the 3rd, and was destroyed in the last 2. The English team was unstable then but this team is too with an unstable batting line up. Not to mention the conditions were far more bowler friendly during the India series.

India were competitive in 2 tests, won 1 and drew 1 in their series. Pakistan have competed well in 2 tests and have won 1 and lost 1. How come Pakistan have been better competitive? If anything, India won in far more adverse conditions than Pak.

Anyway all this comparison is useless because bottomline is both teams aren't upto the mark in England and have been the 2nd best.

Also, Anderson and Broad were looking far more threatening in that series.
 
What were your expectations.
before the series I would have taken a chance to go the Oval to draw the series buy after we dominated the first two days here on a pretty placid pitch. The way we batted on day 3 losing 8 wickets for 140 odd on that pitch is unforgiveable. We should have got 500 and shut England out of the game. Then after we had a 100 run lead we bowled awfully in the last session on Day 3 effectively wiping out our lead. We went into defensive mode into day 4 and trying to restrict scoring which was working until our 4 bowling strategy was exposed and our overworked bowling attack was smashed by Moeen and Bairstow taking the game away from us and any realistic chances of winning. With the position we got ourselves at the end of Day 2 to lose by 141 runs is unacceptable.

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Pakistan exceeded my expectations. I didn't expect much from their batsmen to be honest but they handled the conditions fairly well, I thought.

Teams like England don't give you many chances but when they give, you have to grab. It's a shame that Pakistan lost after taking a crucial 100 run lead! And the 'best bowling line up' was hammered left and right by Moeen Ali, of all people.

Don't delude yourselves. This defeat was setup by your bowlers. Yes, the batsmen faltered on day 5 but it shouldn't have come to that. Pakistan should have been chasing a fairly reasonable 180.
 
Pakistan exceeded my expectations. I didn't expect much from their batsmen to be honest but they handled the conditions fairly well, I thought.

Teams like England don't give you many chances but when they give, you have to grab. It's a shame that Pakistan lost after taking a crucial 100 run lead! And the 'best bowling line up' was hammered left and right by Moeen Ali, of all people.

Don't delude yourselves. This defeat was setup by your bowlers. Yes, the batsmen faltered on day 5 but it shouldn't have come to that. Pakistan should have been chasing a fairly reasonable 180.

Pakistan need to play 5 bowlers. Can't afford to go in with 4 bowlers anymore.
 
Pakistan played better than expectation this series except the 5th day of 3rd test where they should have drawn the game.
 
This is ridiculous.

The only reason we HAVE COMPETED, is because the pitch at Lords was what we wanted.

The pitch at Old Trafford was what we didn't want, and we got destroyed there.

The pitch at Edgbaston was ALSO WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE LIKED but we BLEW IT AWAY over last 2 days having a lead of 100 freaking runs.

If anyone still thinks, we are having a blast in England, they are very myopic and only look at Lords test and England's failures abroad to justify our position.

Otherwise, we have been miserably outplayed in last test, and totally utterly shameful in last 02 days of this test. No point winning the first 3 days of the test, if you can capitulate in last two days.


AS FOR WHAT INDIA DID AND AUSTRALIA ARE DOING IN SRI LANKA, that should be the LEAST OF OUR thinking because a person needs to focus on his own shortcomings.

But of course posters here would look at how India did and Australia are doing and then how England did a year ago in UAE and walk off with head held high.

Do you know why we never reach the best?

Because we find our success in others failures.

Let's be honest.

Pakistan were awful tonight and yesterday and fully deserved this loss and it was embarrassing on a flat pitch.

Lords was one. OT was lost. Fine. Not bad.
But this game England are saying could be cooks best ever win ( there have been good ones like in India etc) and that is because pak had one 7 of the first 8 sessions.

We lost the plot today but we r capable of that.
The only other thing is we r missing a 5th bowler which u need in flat English conditions
 
We have the best fast bowler in the world, best spinner in the world and the best wicket keeper batsman in the world, we ll come back in the next test match.
 
We have the best fast bowler in the world, best spinner in the world and the best wicket keeper batsman in the world, we ll come back in the next test match.

We also have the best batsman in the world - Younis Khan.
 
refresh my memory please how many matches your english team won in the desert during last 2 tours and how many we won in our last 2 tours (exclude our victory against aussies in england)? (1 match still left in this series)

Yes, England not winning in the desert means that Pakistan did not get exposed outside the UAE.
 
This is ridiculous.

The only reason we HAVE COMPETED, is because the pitch at Lords was what we wanted.

The pitch at Old Trafford was what we didn't want, and we got destroyed there.

The pitch at Edgbaston was ALSO WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE LIKED but we BLEW IT AWAY over last 2 days having a lead of 100 freaking runs.

If anyone still thinks, we are having a blast in England, they are very myopic and only look at Lords test and England's failures abroad to justify our position.

Otherwise, we have been miserably outplayed in last test, and totally utterly shameful in last 02 days of this test. No point winning the first 3 days of the test, if you can capitulate in last two days.


AS FOR WHAT INDIA DID AND AUSTRALIA ARE DOING IN SRI LANKA, that should be the LEAST OF OUR thinking because a person needs to focus on his own shortcomings.

But of course posters here would look at how India did and Australia are doing and then how England did a year ago in UAE and walk off with head held high.

Do you know why we never reach the best?

Because we find our success in others failures.

Let's be honest.

Pakistan were awful tonight and yesterday and fully deserved this loss and it was embarrassing on a flat pitch.

Hey, let's not speak facts here. We cannot handle it.
 
This is ridiculous.

The only reason we HAVE COMPETED, is because the pitch at Lords was what we wanted.

The pitch at Old Trafford was what we didn't want, and we got destroyed there.

The pitch at Edgbaston was ALSO WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE LIKED but we BLEW IT AWAY over last 2 days having a lead of 100 freaking runs.

If anyone still thinks, we are having a blast in England, they are very myopic and only look at Lords test and England's failures abroad to justify our position.

Otherwise, we have been miserably outplayed in last test, and totally utterly shameful in last 02 days of this test. No point winning the first 3 days of the test, if you can capitulate in last two days.


AS FOR WHAT INDIA DID AND AUSTRALIA ARE DOING IN SRI LANKA, that should be the LEAST OF OUR thinking because a person needs to focus on his own shortcomings.

But of course posters here would look at how India did and Australia are doing and then how England did a year ago in UAE and walk off with head held high.

Do you know why we never reach the best?

Because we find our success in others failures.

Let's be honest.

Pakistan were awful tonight and yesterday and fully deserved this loss and it was embarrassing on a flat pitch.

Everything is relative in life. That is how the whole ranking system works. It is childish to say that don't worry about how others are doing.
 
Everything is relative in life. That is how the whole ranking system works. It is childish to say that don't worry about how others are doing.

I will reply in detail later.

For now, lets speak facts.

If you start comparing with how others are doing, you will never reach your true potential in life.
 
England prepared those pitches to their strengths. If playing abroad was so easy Hafeez would have scored three triple hundreds by now in the series. Does pak have to compete on green mambas to get credit? That's a bit silly. Ever since introduction of new drainage systems here in England pitches have generally flattened out as it is, you wont find absolute green tops and you"ll have matches where there will be a little grass like we saw on the first day. They would leave more but they have given our attack respect.

Eitherway a flat pitch in England isn't identical to one in the UAE, players are in a different environment for one, support is overwhelmingly in the oppositions favour especially in a place like England where Tests are well attended, atmospheric conditions are also unique, weather is bit more turbulent and things such as bounce and pace are not factors that will be entirely identical to UAE it is for these reasons why rums away from home are valued regardless.

To be honest even the old trafford pitch was not so bad, sure more bounce/pace then Lords but it wasn't a minefield, we typically do well batting 1st anyhow they did put us under immense pressure, they played extremely well but we were also absolutely god awful. After a mauling of that order irrespective of conditions you'd expect a similar annihilation if the team were really really bad as we saw during the previous tour.

Yes Pakistan have competed but they have also thrown away golden oppourtunities where they were in postions of great strength which is highly dissapointing and pak fans have every right to be angry.
 
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Great character shown by the boys.

Mamoon thought we would get our behinds handed to us 3-0 before the start of series. Then he was pretty confident that after OT we were mentally shot and would get dismantled rest of the series.
But we showed character to win the first 2 days hands down. He probably ( I haven't read the above but it's predictable) thought after collapsing at edgbaston the wheels would come off at the oval.
But we did ok and restricted England to 110-5. Then that useless guy who can't play cricket (paraphrasing sum1) saved England and Mamoon probably thought that we had let them get away and our batting would collapse and fail to recover the England rearguard, but here we are.
One thing we have to admit is we have shown good character. Just need to work on eliminating brainless sessions of cricket, but generally we have stuck to the task pretty well.
 
The difference between the sides is purely a depth issue with bat and ball. They basically have 5 bowlers and 8 bats and we have 7 nd 4.
Nothing more. Fielding wise we have matched them;)
 
Generally the view from a lot of posters was pak would fail to register 250 most of the time but in 3 of the r tests we have taken a fairly sizeable lead on first innings
This shows we can compete but then England's depth comes into play.
England were fortunate they stumbled upon woakes v SL because there is 0 chance stokes would do this well
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] are you happy to see us getting exposed?

Win, Draw or Lose at least we are not surrendering and showing a fighting spirit :yk
 
Mamoon must be crying in some corner that younis khan scored a double ton. His exact words, "I get extremely disappointed when younis khan scores"
 
"or when pakistan is not exposed"

Of course. For him the tour was a nightmare before it even started lol. He would be back if Pakistan loses this test but would definitely be back during ODI series.
 
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Of course. For him the tour was a nightmare before it even started lol. He would be back if Pakistan loses this test but would definitely be back during ODI series.

haha enjoying this we are really exposed with a 200+ lead in our bag :yk
 
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This is probably the best batting performance under pressure by Pak in a while, magnificent and astonishing!!
No matter what happens in this match, Pak have shown to the world that they are one of the best test sides despite their shortcomings and internal security issues. I am eagerly looking forward to the AUS & NZ series now. I believe we can surely beat them.
 
Great character shown by the boys.

Mamoon thought we would get our behinds handed to us 3-0 before the start of series. Then he was pretty confident that after OT we were mentally shot and would get dismantled rest of the series.
But we showed character to win the first 2 days hands down. He probably ( I haven't read the above but it's predictable) thought after collapsing at edgbaston the wheels would come off at the oval.
But we did ok and restricted England to 110-5. Then that useless guy who can't play cricket (paraphrasing sum1) saved England and Mamoon probably thought that we had let them get away and our batting would collapse and fail to recover the England rearguard, but here we are.
One thing we have to admit is we have shown good character. Just need to work on eliminating brainless sessions of cricket, but generally we have stuck to the task pretty well.

He's never active on the forum when Pakistan are doing well. Isn't it strange he hasn't shown up for 2 days?
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] are you happy to see us getting exposed?

Win, Draw or Lose at least we are not surrendering and showing a fighting spirit :yk

Mamoon must be crying in some corner that younis khan scored a double ton. His exact words, "I get extremely disappointed when younis khan scores"

He hasn't showed up to the forum in 2 days but was really active on day 1 of the test. He's a Pakistan hater and he always comes up with excuses when Pakistan do well.
 
He hasn't showed up to the forum in 2 days but was really active on day 1 of the test. He's a Pakistan hater and he always comes up with excuses when Pakistan do well.

Next excuse England gifted the wickets to a useless bowler like Yasir Shah :))
 
Mamoon must be crying in some corner that younis khan scored a double ton. His exact words, "I get extremely disappointed when younis khan scores"

Mamoon when there's valid criticisms to make, i.e. on Pakistan's treatment of minorities, speaks well. However when he deliberately tries to be a contrarian for the sake of it and rile people up is quite unnecessary.
 
Mamoon when there's valid criticisms to make, i.e. on Pakistan's treatment of minorities, speaks well. However when he deliberately tries to be a contrarian for the sake of it and rile people up is quite unnecessary.

Agree valid criticism is always a good thing but Mamoon take it too far when it comes to the thing he don't like for example bashing Pakistan team, Pakistan players, PTI, Imran Khan, etc etc sometime he even derail threads just to bash them.
 
Younus mentioned to Ian Ward that playing at the UAE influenced his technique which is why his head was lower. [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Interesting, but worrisome as well for the Pakistani fan.
 
The only team who has been exposed is England. So over relient on cook and Root. Moen Ali is not the answer. Anderson is getting in and Broad seems to have lost form.luckily woakes has come out of nowhere for them.
 
The only team who has been exposed is England. So over relient on cook and Root. Moen Ali is not the answer. Anderson is getting in and Broad seems to have lost form.luckily woakes has come out of nowhere for them.

Let me check but i think Sohail got more wickets in this series than Jimmy and Barbie even though played less matches?
 
Younus mentioned to Ian Ward that playing at the UAE influenced his technique which is why his head was lower. [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Interesting, but worrisome as well for the Pakistani fan.


Yes this is correct.

His feet movements were wat too exaggerated because he lost weight in last fitness camp so his balance was totally out.

Thanks to Allah that He succeeded after 3 tests. Fixed his technique, played the ball late, curbed his movements quite abit.


Every player including Inzamam, Misbah, Jamshed, Sohaib have strugglef after losing weight. Your balance as a batsman gets affected. Since Misbah & Younis did not lose much weight as they were already fine so it meant that they came out of balance issue Soon.

Wrt Misbah i am referring to two series back.



I wish Pakistan's Law & Order situation improves :-/


We have so many flavoured pitches back home.


Abbotabad, Gujranwala, Islamabad, Mirpur. We need stadiums uplift and Fivestar Hotels now so that when situation improves we can have home matches at multiple venues.


As far as current situation is concerned Let Us Hope and Pray that we become World Number 1 or World Number 2 team, Icc gets fair and we get tours of England, South Africa, New Zealand & Australia more often in future. Our Batsman our Bowlers need that.
 
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] the most worrying aspect is that these UAE wickets will effect the techniques of Babar, Haris etc. as well.
 
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