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Things would be balanced if we get frequent tours outside Asia. Than our players Techniques won't develop bad habbits.
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So Pakistan Test team is finally exposed outside UAE?
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Things would be balanced if we get frequent tours outside Asia. Than our players Techniques won't develop bad habbits.
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Very good performance by Pakistan. Certainly not exposed on this tour.
The team has come a long way since the South African and Zimbabwe tours in 2013.
The team has come a long way since the South African and Zimbabwe tours in 2013.
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Now you need to wait for us to tour NZ/Aus to get exposed 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] don't worry that day will come.....
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] don't worry that day will come.....
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Now you need to wait for us to tour NZ/Aus to get exposed
If they draw the series here and lose badly in Australia/NZ, they will still not get exposed because drawing a series in England, who are in great form and are one win away from the number one ranking shows that this team can compete away from UAE/Sri Lanka.
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I still believe Australia is the toughest to beat at home (yes england did better away but at home they are not as great as australia). We have performed really good in England almost on every tour with all those controversies and crap in media. I can't remember the last time Australia lost a match to an asian team at home even with their weakest line up (i think last time it was in 2008 against India) while England managed to lost at least one match against every asian team on their recent tours of eng.
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Drawing this series will be excellent, although in reality we should have won the Edgbaston Test too.
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We certainly should not have lost that Test.
Pakistan just lost 2 or 3 crucial sessions after dominating the first 2.5 days at Edgebaston.
Looks like lesson learnt.
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Well if he's going to show up once per series than one can only be disappointed, because it will mean that now Pakistan will have to carry him to Australia so that he can fulfill his one good innings quota.
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You seem to know a lot about me even though you made your debut in Sep 2015.
if you ask the old-timers here, I don't disappear after Pakistan win. I was traveling that is why I wasn't able to come online.
I'll agree with that once we win a couple of tests in Australia and New Zealand as well. Don't have to win the entire series, that would be too much of a task.
Can somebody bump the predictions thread.
I think I'm more disappointed about edgbaston now.
I think we have been the better team this series!! That is in spite of having 7 guys who can bat instead of England's 8 and having 4 bowlers against England's 4 and a half!!
Very pleased.
Need tof finish off tomorrow quickly - don't like 4th Innings chases
I think I'm more disappointed about edgbaston now.
I think we have been the better team this series!! That is in spite of having 7 guys who can bat instead of England's 8 and having 4 bowlers against England's 4 and a half!!
Very pleased.
Need tof finish off tomorrow quickly - don't like 4th Innings chases
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That might me the right reason to get disappointed but whom are we kidding here.. You get disappointed when he score runs not when he doesn't.. If he starts scoring in every innings you might not be able to get out of the bed.
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If Pakistan wins a couple of Tests in Australia and NZ as well, then they can claim to be the number one team in the world.
What Pakistan did here is cancel out the horrors of South Africa and Zimbabwe in 2013.
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Well I did fine in 2014-15 when he couldn't stop scoring hundreds.
Truth be told, a lot of it has to do with his disgraceful attitude to blackmail PCB to select him for the World Cup last year, and then retiring after 1 ODI vs England just so that he proves a point and quits on his own terms.
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Long time lurker but nice to see you have recovered
Contrary to popular belief, I do not wish for Pakistan to lose. Why should I wish that? Just so that people don't have a go at me for a couple of days because I'm supposedly a 'pessimistic wrist-slitter'?
I take all of that in my stride and it doesn't affect me. Criticism is welcome, as long as it is not personal insults, which I shall ignore anyway.
Pakistan is the toughest to beat at the moment. Home or away! But we're particularly a fortress at home (neutral).
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Thats true but what i mean was for asian team winning in australia is the toughest. All asian teams recently managed to won at least one test in their tours to eng but last time australia lost a single test at home against any asian team was back in 2008 thats 8 years ago
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I think if you want to change that popular behaviour then a good way to be support your team and not start wrist-slitting. What's worse is that you almost always gave us no chance (before the series) as if we are a meek team ready turn the other cheek. We are better than England and we should have won this 3-1 but a 2-2 result wouldn't be so bad either.
Pakistan have proven their critics wrong that they are a test team to beware of. Introduction of Babar Azam and/or a seaming all-rounder will do wonders for the team in the future.
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The toughest is australia, pakistan is not as difficult to win against in their home conditions (we should do like other asians teams and ask for rank turner against non asians).
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our current home is UAE and we didn't lose a single series there since we started using it as a home 6/7 years ago while all other teams lost at least 1 series to other teams at home in this time period.
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Right now i don't see any team who is capable of winning a serie in australia but in uae it's more probable even if it doesn't happen,we aren't as ruthless as aussies at home.
Btw we could have win this serie easily if it wasn't for our mentally weak players but 2-2 is still good if we win tommorow,australia is going to be much more difficult for us and we need some new players who are better strokemakers to come in the team.
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If we win even one match in australia there is no doubt about us being number 1(not just talking about ranking).
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But now you didn't want him to score runs so you can gain some brownie points on PP. "younis khan can't play fast bowlers" "Pakistsn are minnows in cricket now" "this tour is a nightmare".
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Let's hope we continue to get exposed like this everywhere!
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Somebody find [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] where is he???? :
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I hope all those fans which couldn't stop calling this te mediocre and blaming "fans" (totally ridiculous) won't enjoy the win now.
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they don't like to see "minnows" victory
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I think this is exactly what it is for some of them.
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Exposed again.
Just wish they had been exposed twice more this series.
Just wish they had been exposed twice more this series.
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Pakistan may have been exposed in two tests this summer but which team isn't away from home, we were competitive in 3 tests and got a deserved draw, not the mugs some people made us out to be on here.
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Credit to Pakistan for turning things around quickly after Old Trafford and Edgbaston.
It took a lot of mental strength and courage, because England had them on the ropes and had nullified the main threats.
Unlike Lord's which was more down to England playing the worse cricket, Pakistan actually played great cricket at The Oval.
It took a lot of mental strength and courage, because England had them on the ropes and had nullified the main threats.
Unlike Lord's which was more down to England playing the worse cricket, Pakistan actually played great cricket at The Oval.
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Pakistan team has player very well and deserves a pat in the back. They were out played in old trafford but that's ok I guess. You can't win or perform well in every test during away tours. This English side is a very good side and you expect them to play some great cricket in their own backyard, so yea I won't criticize their old trafford's performance. However they should have drawn Edgbastan at very least. A win was a poor result. We were ahead during first 2 1/2 -3 days but then completely fell off the track. That was indeed a poor performance. Came back very strongly and that showed a lot of character. Overall very good result and the scoreline reflect the quality of cricket both team played.
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Good series but I am a bit disappointed with a draw our implosion in the 3rd match cost us an overseas victory. Need to get 1 or 2 things better specially finishing off the opposition. In 8 innings England came back too many times from 4-5 down for not many to score 300 over. Wahab getting dropped after not performing in the first 2 matches was the correct move although in the last match shows what genuine pace can do on a wicket that is not helping much.
With Yasir, Wahab, Aamir and Sohail 8-11 our tail should be able to give a few runs at the end of an innings have shown in the last 2 matches that they are capable.
With Yasir, Wahab, Aamir and Sohail 8-11 our tail should be able to give a few runs at the end of an innings have shown in the last 2 matches that they are capable.
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Mate if he's one good innings quota helps us to our best performance in England in 20 years, then i think we can keep carrying him for a while yet. Unless of course you know of other bats in our domestic ranks whove shown the ability to doubt ton up when the series is on the line. If thats the case then please, bring them forth!
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Yes, it has been exposed finally.
Let's not take credit away from Pakistan for the 2-2 in England because as I mentioned before, the win at The Oval took a lot of mental belief, but we can no longer ignore the fact that the pitches in England did not expose our weaknesses.
The only uncomfortable pitch was the Old Trafford one because of the bounce and we got thrashed. At Edgbaston, we got floored by reverse-swing and the pressure of saving the match.
However, people chose to ignore these factors at that time. They should make more sense now, because another thrashing awaits us in Australia.
Let's not take credit away from Pakistan for the 2-2 in England because as I mentioned before, the win at The Oval took a lot of mental belief, but we can no longer ignore the fact that the pitches in England did not expose our weaknesses.
The only uncomfortable pitch was the Old Trafford one because of the bounce and we got thrashed. At Edgbaston, we got floored by reverse-swing and the pressure of saving the match.
However, people chose to ignore these factors at that time. They should make more sense now, because another thrashing awaits us in Australia.
This is an era of home bullying England-Aus-NZ-India-SL-Saf have all been exposed one way or another away from home over the last 2-3 years no big deal.
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Yeah, but I think the Indian team is shaping up to be something special. Don't see them getting knocked off the top spot for a while.
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If any team is going to dominate, it will be the SA's.
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They are going to be too reliant on QdK and Rabada. They need or two top class batsmen to replace Amla, de Villiers.
Bavuma is a serviceable player but not top-tier.
Yes but that is still two years away a lot can happen till then they were average last time they were away from sub cont barring westindies and a lot will depend how Ashwin does abroad if he replicates his past travels they will struggle can't say anything till they travel again.
No their batting is questionable a series win for South Africa in Australia is like saying Pakistan will dominate world circket because they won a series in Sri Lanka.
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We can also look back in the short-term. SA got thrashed in India and got thrashed by England at home.
They got favorable pitches in Australia. Philander is harmless on proper flat decks but almost the most dangerous if there is a bit of grass. Rabada of course is world class.
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To do so without Steyn and AB is still a big achievement.
Most teams can only dream of beating the Aussies in their own backyard.
Are you kidding?
I've just watched them at Adelaide - they are rubbish.
With Amla almost gone and De Villiers in decline, the batting is in ruins apart from De Kock.
And the bowling attack is the worst since before 1969.
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Yes, but one can consider de Villiers retired from Tests now. It is quite hilarious that he is the official captain, du Plessis needs to take over permanently.
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Quite frankly, no team is dominating this decade.
Just when you think a team is dominating, they tour and get destroyed. SAF, Oz and England are all showing us that. India will do it too because they lack the bowlers to take wickets on bouncy (and flat) wickets Down Under.
Cricket is quite exciting these days and anyone can beat anybody. Good times!
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Yes, it is a great era for cricket. However, in the 1960's and 1970's, they used to bowl at 170 kph all day long.
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Only 2 teams in last 40 years dominated both home and away. Don't know how long it will take for next team to pick up this mantle.
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All teams in world cricket are poor away from conditions which are Alien to them. Look at Aus/Eng/New Zealand/S.A etc.. struggling in Asia and Asian teams struggling outside of Asia. The skill set of all teams in tough foreign conditions is at an all time low in world cricket. So singling out Pakistan for poor away performances is a bit pointless.
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Except PCT are anyone not rubbish according to you [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]? Not only did they discover rabada but even kyle seems to be improving.Even Qdk s has raised his game,its never easy to replace greats but they are the only team that has shown promise of replacing Steyn,Abd although a batsman like Amla will take time.
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Younis is a good batsman irrespective of the tour he is jusy not retiring.
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I think they are better than you are saying they are. I'm confused because I thought you rated the saf bowling highly. In any case quota or not they produce very good cricketers from their first class system.
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Obviously they were going to flop outside UAE.
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I don't understand the logic in having a 3 test series with West Indies of all teams. Rather sacrifice one test and reach Down Under early to get some practice. But then, who will boost their averages by smashing West Indian bowlers on UAE roads?
A spineless performance by Pakistan baring Sarfraz and if this continues, even he will give in.
A spineless performance by Pakistan baring Sarfraz and if this continues, even he will give in.
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Actually we do.
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Mamoon all I hear from you are Critisim after Critisim but never have I seen you provide any valuable solution to our problems!!
You sometimes sound like Sikandar Bakht to be honest....
Critisim without solutions especially for a team you claim to support isn't really anything useful to be honest !!
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Basically all teams would struggle outside their home conditions.
If Bangladesh were in the same position in the 3 tests fans would have certainly asked for "take away their test status" "They are cats outside their home den"
And we have Pakistan who is facing an innings defeat despite being the no. 1 ranked side not 6 months back.
Truth is, most teams these days are ordinary outside home
If Bangladesh were in the same position in the 3 tests fans would have certainly asked for "take away their test status" "They are cats outside their home den"
And we have Pakistan who is facing an innings defeat despite being the no. 1 ranked side not 6 months back.
Truth is, most teams these days are ordinary outside home
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If england made seaming wickets instead of flats we would have lose the serie .
I think the word "cricket" in your signature needs to be replaced !
On days like this, a tranquilising drug of some sort is needed.
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But why are you so reluctant to praise the Pakistan team? When they fail it is because they are crap and incompetent while if they do well then conditions are in their flavor and they fluked it/got lucky. You can be a little more optimistic about your own team imo.
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What does this team have that should make me optimistic? Yes credit should be given when it is due, but we cannot deny that we got away with it England due to numerous factors.
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Every team is weak outside home. Pakistan was exposed outside Asia like England and Australia were exposed in Asia.
England was competitive in UAE and India (certainly much more than Pakistan in NZ and Australia so far).
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And how many times have England visited Asia in the last 5 years and then compare it to how many times have Pakistan visited Australia?
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Pakistan should do a lot better in Sydney
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Eng has lost 3 tests by a huge margin despite winning pretty much all tosses and getting non-turners except one match in India. They also performed poorly in BD by giving BD first test win against big countries.
Obviously, England has visited four countries more times than Pakistan has visited one.
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Badly exposed, absolute disaster.
Back to square one now. Pretty much a repeat of 2013, when we got exposed overseas after solid performances in UAE/Asia during the 2011-12 period.
Back to square one now. Pretty much a repeat of 2013, when we got exposed overseas after solid performances in UAE/Asia during the 2011-12 period.
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That didn't have a solid performance in England this time
Anyways this is in line with other teams on their travels recently asides from SA
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Which other team has been whitewashed in Australia on four consecutive tours?
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I highly doubt any of these other teams will lose a home Test to WI. We are far less ruthless at home than their teams, so are England but they have had better away performances over the last few years.
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Hahaha great catch [MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION].
A 3-0 loss was destined to happen the moment it was revealed that we were playing WI for 3 test in mid-to late October, then NZ in November and then have only a 2 week period before playing Australia. Absolute rubbish from our Board. All the players were mentally exhausted by the time we played Australia. Misbah was mentally drained. His captaincy became awful. Affected his batting too.
We need to become extremely professional when scheduling our away tours. We played well in England because we had a long rest prior to the England series. Also we came a month before our 1st test to acclimatize ourselves to the conditions. In the future if we need to win in Australia we have to schedule our series better. Come 1 month before, play at least 3 warm-ups and then see our performance. You can't play Australia half-baked. Also for God's sake, move out of the UAE. UAE pitches are hindering our ODI and T20s so much that we it takes an almighty slog from our batsmen to hit a six. I would move to South Africa. Their depreciating currency will ensure the costs of holding a series there is less than in the UAE.
A 3-0 loss was destined to happen the moment it was revealed that we were playing WI for 3 test in mid-to late October, then NZ in November and then have only a 2 week period before playing Australia. Absolute rubbish from our Board. All the players were mentally exhausted by the time we played Australia. Misbah was mentally drained. His captaincy became awful. Affected his batting too.
We need to become extremely professional when scheduling our away tours. We played well in England because we had a long rest prior to the England series. Also we came a month before our 1st test to acclimatize ourselves to the conditions. In the future if we need to win in Australia we have to schedule our series better. Come 1 month before, play at least 3 warm-ups and then see our performance. You can't play Australia half-baked. Also for God's sake, move out of the UAE. UAE pitches are hindering our ODI and T20s so much that we it takes an almighty slog from our batsmen to hit a six. I would move to South Africa. Their depreciating currency will ensure the costs of holding a series there is less than in the UAE.
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