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South Africa and its tale of World Cup chokes!

Class is temporary. .....choke is permanent.

Chak De India
 
22nd March....

Anyone remember this?

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South Africa didn’t actually choke in 1992. It was a ridiculous rain rule.

Unfortunately it set a precedence psychologically.
 
Poor stuff from SA. When you choke this against a minnow team you probably deserve to go home?
 
First the rain against Zimbabwe when they had the game won and then this loss to Netherlands.

They're cursed in ICC tournaments, having no bottle doesn't help.

Should have coasted to the Semis.
 
This has to be right up there. On a slow pitch completely owned by Netherlands. Margin doesn't exactly tell you the whole story. They just could not get going.
 
Aman said:
First the rain against Zimbabwe when they had the game won and then this loss to Netherlands.

They're cursed in ICC tournaments, having no bottle doesn't help.

Should have coasted to the Semis.
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When there is no pressure they play like million bucks. Rmember they reached like 51 runs in 3 overs.
 
Why do SA Choke ?

Trying to understand. Is it some grass roots problem in their cricketing structure ?
I looked at the body language of Markram batting in 8th or 9th over of the chase and it was clear to me that SA are done.
 
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] why are Pakistani fans not claiming this match was fixed by PCB or ICC or any other body? If India was in Pakistan's place and this happens Pakistani fans would be all over social media claiming this to be a BCCI/ICC, Modi, Raw conspiracy.
 
In the beginning it was just bad luck then it became a self fulfilling prophesy.
 
This South Africa team is pretty average. Only Miller and Nortje are world class T20 players.
 
I went into sleep when Qdk hit a couple of boundaries thinking that SA are winning it easily, woke up and found SA knocked out of the tournament. :91: :inti
 
SA have learnt choking from their ancestors.

Bad luck- learnt from 1992 World Cup
Choking in a must win game- learnt from 1999 World Cup

They have had several painful moments, one I remember from 2007 World T20 in an India vs SA match. SA were actually favourites to qualify,the tougher task was for India and NZ to qualify to semis.

India scored 150 odd runs and SA needed around 115 to qualify while India needed a genuine win to qualify and NZ needed wither a India loss or SA failing to reach 115.

Ultimately, it was SA who failed to reach 115 and got knocked out.
 
It is an hopeless team.

In 2019 World Cup, when South Africa were alive they lost to Bangladesh and all the major 8 teams too but when they were officially knocked out, they went on to beat Australians of all teams by posting 300+ runs. When there is no pressure, they become a beast suddenly.
 
Pathetic. That's not how you win!

It's good that our cricket is dying. I don't know anyone even watching the WC. Worthless bunch of quota players deserve nothing better.
 
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hoshiarpurexpress said:
Trying to understand. Is it some grass roots problem in their cricketing structure ?
I looked at the body language of Markram batting in 8th or 9th over of the chase and it was clear to me that SA are done.
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Yes. Bunch of quota players and rugby rejects.
 
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Ozymandiasza said:
Did they forget to kneel for their black masters? Pathetic. That's how you win!

It's good that our cricket is dying. I don't know anyone even watching the WC. Worthless bunch of quota players deserve nothing better.
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SA failed on two counts. Both bowling and batting. 158 is too much on that surface. Second of all there was no concept of taking it deep. You need consolidators atleast one in the side. Not everyone can be dashers.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
SA failed on two counts. Both bowling and batting. 158 is too much on that surface. Second of all there was no concept of taking it deep. You need consolidators atleast one in the side. Not everyone can be dashers.
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Honestly don't care. I haven't watched cricket since they started kneeling to criminals.

Death to South African cricket. Good luck Pakistan.
 
This is what they said before the match lol

Proteas brace for 'quarter-final' against Netherlands: 'We will bring our A-game'

They have brought their C-game lol
 
Ozymandiasza said:
Honestly don't care. I haven't watched cricket since they started kneeling to criminals.

Death to South African cricket. Good luck Pakistan.
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thats racist.

And qouta system exists because of the terrible things that white people did in South Africa
 
Major said:
thats racist.

And qouta system exists because of the terrible things that white people did in South Africa
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What terrible things? The ANC has killed more people in 30 years than the English could dream of. Imagine being so useless you have to discriminate against a single digit minority.

Yes, they should persist with the quotas. Love seeing them humiliated by Netherlands :)))
 
Ozymandiasza said:
What terrible things? The ANC has killed more people in 30 years than the English could dream of. Imagine being so useless you have to discriminate against a single digit minority.

Yes, they should persist with the quotas. Love seeing them humiliated by Netherlands :)))
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how they humilated due to Qouta system? How is this the fault of the qouta?

Your good bowlers are the black players, only Temba is maybe not good enough, so this loss to a minnow is because of one player?
 
Major said:
how they humilated due to Qouta system? How is this the fault of the qouta?

Your good bowlers are the black players, only Temba is maybe not good enough, so this loss to a minnow is because of one player?
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Losing to the Netherlands is humiliating. Well, let's see, if you don't bring your best players and pick players based solely on their skin colour and then you lose to a minnow.

Did they kneel before the game? Yes or no?

Yet they made the quota player captain...
 
Ozymandiasza said:
Losing to the Netherlands is humiliating. Well, let's see, if you don't bring your best players and pick players based solely on their skin colour and then you lose to a minnow.

Did they kneel before the game? Yes or no?

Yet they made the quota player captain...
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im saying how did NL get humilated through qouta system?

There was only one batter who maybe wasnt good enough, you lost because of one batter?

The colored bowlers of South Africa are top notch bowlers.

Stop blaming qouta system for being bad
 
>im saying how did NL get humilated through qouta system?

Huh? Who said this? What are you talking about?

>Stop blaming qouta system for being bad.

No. Until they select the best players we will always have the quota card to play.

>There was only one batter who maybe wasnt good enough, you lost because of one batter?
Have you seen what one SA player with the right mindset can do?

https://www.news24.com/sport/cricke...-record-35-ball-century-for-titans-20221031-2

Hope he goes play for England or NZ, here he will only face discrimination.
 
battler said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] why are Pakistani fans not claiming this match was fixed by PCB or ICC or any other body? If India was in Pakistan's place and this happens Pakistani fans would be all over social media claiming this to be a BCCI/ICC, Modi, Raw conspiracy.
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Because our fans are a bunch of hypocrites.
 
They were robbed by rain against Zimbabwe.

Had they won that game they could have been in semis with us.
 
Major said:
im saying how did NL get humilated through qouta system?

There was only one batter who maybe wasnt good enough, you lost because of one batter?

The colored bowlers of South Africa are top notch bowlers.

Stop blaming qouta system for being bad
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Yaar they have chocked in every tournament in crickets history, even when the team was whiter than snow.

Now when they choke they are blaming the black guy :))
 
It is associated with RIP Hansie Cronje.

Hansie WJ Cronje won them 1998 ICC Champions Trophy, but somehow his departure from the world has cursed them in ICC events in 21st century.

Proteas came back to cricket in 1991 after 21 year ban. They won 1 ICC Cup within 6-7 years and somehow they just lost it after Cronje.

Legacy continues.
 
Sarwar89 said:
It is associated with RIP Hansie Cronje.

Hansie WJ Cronje won them 1998 ICC Champions Trophy, but somehow his departure from the world has cursed them in ICC events in 21st century.

Proteas came back to cricket in 1991 after 21 year ban. They won 1 ICC Cup within 6-7 years and somehow they just lost it after Cronje.

Legacy continues.
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Hansie Cronje departure has got nothing to do with it. Their biggest choke (1999 WC) had Cronje in the team and as captain. That choke started the legacy of choking.

Also, the 1998 Champions Trophy win was more of a knockout games with teams being depleted due to CWG games going around.
 
Pakistan brought SA back to earth and these guys bottled it against Netherlands. Tool of a team.
 
Ab Fan said:
Hansie Cronje departure has got nothing to do with it. Their biggest choke (1999 WC) had Cronje in the team and as captain. That choke started the legacy of choking.

Also, the 1998 Champions Trophy win was more of a knockout games with teams being depleted due to CWG games going around.
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Hold on a second

He DID WIN ICC trophy

Since then they have not won any icc trophy.

And 1 more thing. It was not 1999 wc where choke started. Not AT ALL.

It started with here
It was Hero Cup semi final 1993 at Eden Gardens calcutta in front of 100000 people

& Quarter final of 1996 wc where unbeaten proteas lost to west indies.
 
Temba Bavuma-led South Africa suffered a shock 13-run defeat at the hands of the Netherlands on Sunday at the T20 World Cup, and hence their campaign at the ongoing tournament came to an end. Pakistan had their semi-final hopes reliant on South Africa stumbling against the Dutch side and this is exactly what happened. After South Africa's defeat, Pakistan outclassed Bangladesh to seal a semi-final spot along with India from Group 2.

Before the Pakistan-Bangladesh game, Shoaib Akhtar made a video, saying South Africa have lived up to the tag of being chokers.

"I have just woken up. Thank you, South Africa. Aap bahut bade chokers hai (you are very big chokers). You have given Pakistan a big chance, big thanks to you. I didn't think that Pakistan deserved to go through to the semi-finals after losing to Zimbabwe, but Pakistan have been given a lifeline. We need to see India once all over again," Akhtar said in the video.

"Thank you, South Africa. You've lived up to the 'c' word. Worked in our benefit. Pakistan, now stay tight. Go on & win this," wrote Akhtar as the caption.

For the unversed, South Africa are known for crumbling under pressure at ICC events and this is one of the biggest reasons they are yet to win one ICC title.

After the game which Proteas lost by 13 runs, head coach Mark Boucher spoke about what went wrong for his side.

"When we woke up. I think if you look at the way that we started the game, our energies were low. Whether that's because it's a half-past-10 game, times have been quite difficult, I don't know, I haven't really put my finger on it. Haven't had a chance to speak to the guys yet and find out where they sort of feel it went wrong," Boucher said in the post-match press conference.

"I think our plans were there, but we didn't quite use them well enough. I thought if you look at the game as a whole, I think Netherlands out-bowled us. They bowled with good plans, bowled to the longer side of the field, and they were just able to create more pressure on us than we were able to put pressure on them," he added.

South Africa were unable to chase down 159 against the Netherlands, falling 13 runs short. Bowling wise, South Africa's plans went sideways as Colin Ackermann took special liking to Kagiso Rabada at the death.

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loL@boucher

Energies were low? This is a freaking knock out scenario. How can energy be low because of when the game started. Just wow.

"When we woke up. I think if you look at the way that we started the game, our energies were low. Whether that's because it's a half-past-10 game, times have been quite difficult, I don't know, I haven't really put my finger on it. Haven't had a chance to speak to the guys yet and find out where they sort of feel it went wrong," Boucher said in the post-match press conference.
 
They are just not switched on. This is where Australia ruled the other members of SENA. You just have to attack the opposition in unison. From the get go
 
SA had mentally weak players all over you go back to 90s, Donald Pollock Kallis Boucher, then Smith, ABD, Amla Duminy Ingram Botha all were serial bottlers
 
They had the teams to win many ICC trophies. But, they somehow bottled all (minus the 1998 CT).

Some type of psychological block perhaps.
 
sweep_shot said:
They had the teams to win many ICC trophies. But, they somehow bottled all (minus the 1998 CT).

Some type of psychological block perhaps.
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This time they got all the bases covered. Only weakness was Bavuma. Compared to babar azam he did okay lol So others just had to step and do their usual roles. Reeza Hendricks might have been handy. But even without him they should have steamrolled them. Should have defended here. They would have bowled with more discipline
 
Just saw bowling figures of Rabada and Ngidi. Both choked big time it seems
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This time they got all the bases covered. Only weakness was Bavuma. Compared to babar azam he did okay lol So others just had to step and do their usual roles. Reeza Hendricks might have been handy. But even without him they should have steamrolled them. Should have defended here. They would have bowled with more discipline
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Yup. This was a great chance for them.

All they had to do was beat Netherlands.

A bit surprised that Bavuma keeps on being the captain.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yup. This was a great chance for them.

All they had to do was beat Netherlands.

A bit surprised that Bavuma keeps on being the captain.
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They would have choked in semis then and tbh that wouldn't have been called as a choke because NZ are a solid team.
 
I am surprised the Brevis guy isn't in the side, can someone tell me why?
 
Interesting to note that the men who dealt the killer blow to SA in at least two of their WC exits were from South Africa (Grant Elliot and Van Der Merwe). I would love to see them play Namibia in the next World cup, with David Wiese and all.
 
NL Vs SA was similar to Pak Vs BD to a certain extent. Pakistani body language up until Shanto and Shakib got out looked very VERY tense just like the SA players. Pak was bottling it in the field.

However for Pak, things changed after the Shakib dismissal.

Both Pak and SA looked nervy in their chases at a few stages. SA had a few boundaries, but also got out due to pressure.
 
IPL will be saving the day with the out of this world league. ZA is teeming with talent. Just pick them on merit!
 
Major said:
how they humilated due to Qouta system? How is this the fault of the qouta?

Your good bowlers are the black players, only Temba is maybe not good enough, so this loss to a minnow is because of one player?
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Have you seen Rabada's numbers in the Powerplay in recent years? It's actually quite bad.

Also they replaced Pretorius with Parnell when Wiaan Mulder would have been a better like for like. Parnell in place of Pretorius is as stupid or agenda driven as it gets. Parnell is a good PP bowler but not a Number 7.

They should have played

QDk
Reeza
Rilee
Markram
Miller
Stubbs
Mulder
Parnell
Maharaj
Nortje
Ngidi

You cabt have a batting lineup with Temba as opener, Parnell at 7 with an inexperienced Stubbs in the middle. That batting was too limited and vulnerable.
 
This SA is not a good team. Bavuma is absolutely useless in T20s. Then you have three flaky and inconsistent players in Rossow, Markram and Miller. It's lucky they had Perth pitch to rely on against Ind. Otherwise they would have been out of the WC a while ago.
 
I wouldn't put it as a "choke". This was actually a "joke", a joke of the highest order! Can't win a must-win game against the Netherlands! Really? Wow!

For now, we might pretend and put a lot of it down to Bavuma - and he IS A PROBLEM - but dropping him alone won´t solve any of their problems. With or without him, give them yesterday´s match again, or another must-win match against any team in a global tournament, and they´ll do exactly the same thing again, trust me. There´s some mental block here obviously with them which hinders them from putting in a good performance in big games - something which we´ve all witnessed since decades, really. Nothing, absolutely nothing comes together for them in these big games: false strokes, poor shot-selection, poor bowling, dropped catches, and bad fielding - it all collapses together at once for them on big occasions.

Again, yesterday´s wasn´t a choke. It was a joke.
 
It's hard to make sense of South Africa's shock exit from the ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2022, not least because it came after they overcame a hurdle where they generally stumble.

Most runs - Rilee Rossouw (141)

Most wickets - Anrich Nortje (11)

What went right

The middle-order trio of Rilee Rossouw, Aiden Markram and David Miller were expected to produce fireworks, which they did, but they also showed composure and tenacity in strife. Markram and Miller putting on an outstanding batting display against India was probably the high point of South Africa's campaign.

Anrich Nortje led the bowling attack from the front with his searing pace and he was well complemented by Wayne Parnell, whose Powerplay exploits set the stage for Nortje's pace bursts. South Africa's bowling was tailor-made for the conditions and they delivered more often than not.

What went wrong

It's hard to pinpoint factors that led to South Africa's unexpected exit from the T20 World Cup. The bottom line is that their strengths bizarrely didn't show up in two successive games. But that's not to say this was a line-up without any blips.

Skipper Temba Bavuma was unable to get his side off to the quick starts they desired in many games and this hurt South Africa right at the top. Quinton de Kock and Rilee Rossouw were undone by left-arm pace more than once and teams used it to have a crack at the middle order early on.

The injury to Dwaine Pretorius pre-tournament hurt South Africa's team balance and the lack of batting depth glaringly stood out in their loss to Netherlands on the final day of the Super 12 phase. Kagiso Rabada was short of his best through the tournament and Netherlands capitalised on it to put up a sizeable total on a sticky wicket.

What does the future look like?

It could be stated with a fair amount of conviction that South Africa merely had two bad days. They turned up with a line-up capable of winning matches and had every ingredient for success in a tournament such as this.

With the emergence of several players back home in South Africa, the future is really bright, but their first hurdle would involve making it to the 2023 ICC Men's Cricket World Cup in India, where automatic qualification appears a huge challenge for them given where they are in the Cricket World Cup Super League table.

The most promising aspect of South Africa's rise in the last year in the shortest format is the formation of a middle-order group that can not only tackle spin, but take it down. That would certainly stand them in good stead given where the World Cup is next year.

A few heads might roll, but South Africa have a squad brimming with talent and if they could put this tournament mishap behind them and focus on the future, there's more than just a speck of light at the end of the tunnel.

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Romeo & Juliet, Rose & Jack, Heer & Ranja, SA & WC's

A tale of Tragedy, Trauma and Agony, from SCG to Edgbaston to Mirpur to Auckland
 
Going through SAF's history of WC trauma, I was recently reading about SAF's semi-final defeat to ENG in 1992. The common story is SAF were robbed due to the rain rule.

Now it was ludicrous they required 20-odd from 1 ball. However apparently even under DLS they still would've lost ?

Kepler Wessels won the toss and chose to bowl first despite knowing the risk due to the forecast. Ian Chappell even questions him on this at the toss, but Wessels replied he was willing to take that risk. Then SAF deliberately slowed the over rate which denied ENG five overs of batting under the rain rule at the time.

So 1992 was another self-inflicted blow.
 
I know SA is well and truly alive in this tournament but can this defeat be attributed as a Choke?
 
Today against Netherlands wasn't a choke, it was just an awful performance after having their opponents in trouble.

They had Netherlands on 140/7 after 33.5 overs.

How they lost this match is incredible.
 
Dosti yaari culture hurting South Africa. Bavbar played a test match innings for his place and selected his friend, fake all rounder Jansen
 
Rajdeep said:
I know SA is well and truly alive in this tournament but can this defeat be attributed as a Choke?
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In a way it is looking at their bizarre dismissals. Long hop hit straight to fielder. Sweep ending up in keeper's glove something you say rarely. Missing more or less straight balls completely. This is Dharamsala with 4 fast bowlers they should have rolled over Holland. They almost did. THen they just let it slip.
 
South Africa should not play ICC tournaments, its a waste of time for them.
 
South Africa choked again but this time in group stages where they can still play good cricket ahead and go to the KO stages. But I guess they will choke again and we might see another heartbreak for the Proteas.
 
How will they beat Bharat, Pakistan like teams if they can’t even handle Netherlands
 
As I mentioned earlier in my post, my office is next to a sports company, which has partnership with ICC for world cup and so they are kinda working 24 hours these days. My friend there predicted 3 upsets last week - Afghan defeating England, Netherlands defeating SA and third one which many won't like to hear Afghan defeating Pakistan. His analysis was based upon some stats he came up with, for yday match his point was that of all associates nations, Netherlands is one team which has played a lot of ODIs and not t20s and SA will be nervous wreck because of their t20 loss.
 
happydavy said:
As I mentioned earlier in my post, my office is next to a sports company, which has partnership with ICC for world cup and so they are kinda working 24 hours these days. My friend there predicted 3 upsets last week - Afghan defeating England, Netherlands defeating SA and third one which many won't like to hear Afghan defeating Pakistan. His analysis was based upon some stats he came up with, for yday match his point was that of all associates nations, Netherlands is one team which has played a lot of ODIs and not t20s and SA will be nervous wreck because of their t20 loss.
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Dude please send other predictions
 
happydavy said:
As I mentioned earlier in my post, my office is next to a sports company, which has partnership with ICC for world cup and so they are kinda working 24 hours these days. My friend there predicted 3 upsets last week - Afghan defeating England, Netherlands defeating SA and third one which many won't like to hear Afghan defeating Pakistan. His analysis was based upon some stats he came up with, for yday match his point was that of all associates nations, Netherlands is one team which has played a lot of ODIs and not t20s and SA will be nervous wreck because of their t20 loss.
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Predictions or is everything decided💀💀
 
South Africa take a bow.

Coming to the semi finals with all choke guns blazing
 

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