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South Africa down Pakistan for 273 to seal 107-run victory and 3-0 whitewash

TakeshiKovacs said:
lol in fact asia cup was the norm, if anything was an anomaly, it was CT :srini
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That disgraceful pitch of AbuDhabi is tailormade for mediocre Bangla slow left armers. It is ill-advised to judge players based on performances on those pitches.
 
shariqnoor said:
Here's an interesting stat for all of you guys.

Pakistan has scored more aggregate runs in this series than India did in their three-match series earlier this year.

Goes to show how well India bowled and they had ABDV to contend with as well.
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India had to bat last in 2/3 tests and we really are very poor in the fourth innings these days. The guys simply give up. That must have had some effect.

Despite some weird collapses, Pakistan has still been better in fourth innings, though not with much success either.
 
shariqnoor said:
Here's an interesting stat for all of you guys.

Pakistan has scored more aggregate runs in this series than India did in their three-match series earlier this year.

Goes to show how well India bowled and they had ABDV to contend with as well.
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Has a lot to do with the conditions as well. 1st and 3rd test were extremely tough for batting. Wanderers was a land mine.
 
BreadPakoda said:
India had to bat last in 2/3 tests and we really are very poor in the fourth innings these days. The guys simply give up. That must have had some effect.

Despite some weird collapses, Pakistan has still been better in fourth innings, though not with much success either.
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The counter argument that since India batted last in the first two tests, SA batters got the best of the batting conditions and still India managed to get 40 wickets in those 2 Tests.

Just because the batting is bad, doesn't mean Pakistan's bowling gets a pass. They've been equally woeful in this series.
 
Greenstorm said:
That disgraceful pitch of AbuDhabi is tailormade for mediocre Bangla slow left armers. It is ill-advised to judge players based on performances on those pitches.
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Is UAE Bangladesh's Home Ground as well now? Pakistan has been playing regularly in Abu Dhabi for the last 10 years while BD hasnt even had one proper series in UAE and its 4-0 last 4 Odis
 
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whatever the conditions, in 'SENA' countries, 250 is a must for any ground/pitch.
Else, it is too difficult to come back and most of the times the team failing to score will lose the match.

Also, batsmen have to look to score and just defending will not give more results as score board has to keep moving.

To their credit, Pak have played well in this innings.
I think the problem is with the middle order like India has had issues with the opening batsmen.
 
These cheap runs under no pressure with attacking fields mean nothing. People failing to look at the bigger picture again.

Can Shadab come in at 100/3 in ODIs in the 20th over and take the team to 300 batting against quality spinners and hitting out in the death? I don’t think so.
 
Greenstorm said:
That disgraceful pitch of AbuDhabi is tailormade for mediocre Bangla slow left armers. It is ill-advised to judge players based on performances on those pitches.
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So your 'home' pitch is tailor-made for the opposition bowlers? Lol
 
Mamoon said:
These cheap runs under no pressure with attacking fields mean nothing. People failing to look at the bigger picture again.

Can Shadab come in at 100/3 in ODIs in the 20th over and take the team to 300 batting against quality spinners and hitting out in the death? I don’t think so.
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Probably not, but what other 18 year old can do what you just asked?
 
shariqnoor said:
The counter argument that since India batted last in the first two tests, SA batters got the best of the batting conditions and still India managed to get 40 wickets in those 2 Tests.

Just because the batting is bad, doesn't mean Pakistan's bowling gets a pass. They've been equally woeful in this series.
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Indian bowlers were spectacular. Almost as good as SA bowlers.

Shami 15 wickets @ 17 (3 tests)
Bumrah 14 wickets @ 25 (3 tests)
Bhuvneshwar 10 wickets @ 20 (2 tests)
Ishant 8 wickets @ 17 (2 tests)
Ashwin 7 wickets @ 30 (2 tests)

Shami is underrated
 
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Usman Chadda said:
Olivier will only be successful in certain conditions. Playing him in Asia, will be suicidal for his career. The guy has zero conventional skills.
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Not true. He is a good 'conventional bowler' as well. His role in this attack though is to be an enforcer. No reason why he can't do morkels job.
 
Mamoon said:
These cheap runs under no pressure with attacking fields mean nothing. People failing to look at the bigger picture again.

Can Shadab come in at 100/3 in ODIs in the 20th over and take the team to 300 batting against quality spinners and hitting out in the death? I don’t think so.
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I know you're not a SA fan, but have you seen Andile Phehlukwayo in action? I hope he plays in the ODIs vs PAK.
 
Mamoon said:
These cheap runs under no pressure with attacking fields mean nothing. People failing to look at the bigger picture again.

Can Shadab come in at 100/3 in ODIs in the 20th over and take the team to 300 batting against quality spinners and hitting out in the death? I don’t think so.
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On those parameters, as far as I remember, dhoni saved India out of Asia only once.
And in Asia, he was ok.
And he played for India, after sell-by date ,for more than 3 years.

To put things in perspective, not many asian batsmen dominated south africa in south africa.
Mere defending will not mean much as the pitches are "tricky" most of the times.

They have to score if not no one knows on which ball their number is written on.
 
rollingstoned said:
Not true. He is a good 'conventional bowler' as well. His role in this attack though is to be an enforcer. No reason why he can't do morkels job.
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I haven't seen much control in terms of seam and swing from him. Let's talk from a technical POV please, rather than make outlandish claims about him doing the job of one of the better bowlers South Africa has produced in history.
 
shariqnoor said:
The counter argument that since India batted last in the first two tests, SA batters got the best of the batting conditions and still India managed to get 40 wickets in those 2 Tests.

Just because the batting is bad, doesn't mean Pakistan's bowling gets a pass. They've been equally woeful in this series.
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The series last year pitches were even more bowler friendly. The wanderers pitch could perhaps even be considered dangerous. A stat that doesn't really mean anything.
 
6 wickets in 18 overs again in half a session with 40 overs old ball!!! I was expecting better hence set alarm a n hour later :(
 
Ozymandiasza said:
I know you're not a SA fan, but have you seen Andile Phehlukwayo in action? I hope he plays in the ODIs vs PAK.
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He is a really bright prospect. I am actually a big admirer of many South African cricketers.

Smith, Gibbs, Klusener, Boucher, de Kock, Rabada and du Plessis are among my most favorite cricketers ever.
 
The irony is Pakistan have played this test as an ODI match most of the times.

And when the ODI starts, they will start playing tests.
 
Usman Chadda said:
I haven't seen much control in terms of seam and swing from him. Let's talk from a technical POV please, rather than make outlandish claims about him doing the job of one of the better bowlers South Africa has produced in history.
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He bowls very differently in domestics. you evidently don't know anything about him so best not to talk about it
 
We've seen the best olivier will ever perform already. At least until next Pak tour of SA
 
BreadPakoda said:
India's batting was laughable.

Kohli 286 runs @ 48

Next best, Pandya 119 runs @ 19

:)))
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Wow is this true? Shan and Babar both made about 50 short of Kohli, Babar batted with the tail alot too.

But wow Pandya the second best with average of 19.
 
If the over rate is an issue get some part timers on get it in order. Why risk another penalty? The most that can happen is Pakistan would last an extra 20-30 mins.
 
Mamoon said:
These cheap runs under no pressure with attacking fields mean nothing. People failing to look at the bigger picture again.

Can Shadab come in at 100/3 in ODIs in the 20th over and take the team to 300 batting against quality spinners and hitting out in the death? I don’t think so.
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No he can't but what has that got to do with test match cricket, Batting at number 6 and being the 5th bowling option.
We can talk about the odis from tomorrow
 
Bangladesh_Fan said:
Is UAE Bangladesh's Home Ground as well now? Pakistan has been playing regularly in Abu Dhabi for the last 10 years while BD hasnt even had one proper series in UAE and its 4-0 last 4 Odis
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I did not said that. All I am saying is that pitch suited Bangla bowlers and it is not wise to judge players on those pitches.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a really bright prospect. I am actually a big admirer of many South African cricketers.

Smith, Gibbs, Klusener, Boucher, de Kock, Rabada and du Plessis are among my most favorite cricketers ever.
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Andile's brutally and nerves remind me of Klusener.

Some greats in that list. I was watching the Cape Town test at Newlands, discussing the current crop of players with my friend, when the guy sitting behind me asks me who my favourite cricketer was. I had to answer Smith. Not necessarily stat wise, but he was one of the few players who's actions backed his ego. I really wanted to hate him, but he won me over through his exploits.
 
Mamoon said:
The chances of a specialist batsman doing that are higher than that of a zabardasti ka all-rounder.
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Problem is Malik, Hafeez and Sarfraz were never specialist batsmen. They were Zabardasti ka allrounders, never had a game to play like specialist batsman, but enjoyed top order thanks to low level IQ we got.

Most Pakistanis including ex stars don’t understand batting(evident from Ramos Commentary). Malik was made special after couple of centuries against India. After 15 years he still Sabiir play pace, same is true with Hafeez, who has no game at all, just bashing spinners is what they have developed. They both still don’t have proper foot work against pacers.

Sarfaraz is even worse, he was never a batsman and not will be and we made him unquestionable Captain.

We have Azhar Ali the backbone of our batting, who incidentally was not a batsman, he never look like a proper batsman. All these seniors have happy salary coming from Cricket thanks to the desert of UAE. Mark Nicolas understands that from 5000 miles that uae is killing Pakistan, yet Ramo who covers every series was arguing against it, you can see the IQ level of batting in our Camp 🙄🙄🙄
 
Shadab has great potential, but needs to stop playing T20 for that. Why can't PAK retired players avail him a County contract? Couple of years there can develop his batting.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
Andile's brutally and nerves remind me of Klusener.

Some greats in that list. I was watching the Cape Town test at Newlands, discussing the current crop of players with my friend, when the guy sitting behind me asks me who my favourite cricketer was. I had to answer Smith. Not necessarily stat wise, but he was one of the few players who's actions backed his ego. I really wanted to hate him, but he won me over through his exploits.
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I can only laugh when some people claim that Smith is not a great of the game. Not only was he a great opener, he is one of the greatest personalities the sport has seen.
 
MMHS said:
Shadab has great potential, but needs to stop playing T20 for that. Why can't PAK retired players avail him a County contract? Couple of years there can develop his batting.
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Finally. He has got the potential and the right batting mindset. Needs to be given more opportunities.
 
Abbas has shown better fight throughout than out tailenders batting in top order
 
Steyn sledging.

You're 2-0 down, why are you sticking around?

Means save your head and go home
 
MMHS said:
Shadab has great potential, but needs to stop playing T20 for that. Why can't PAK retired players avail him a County contract? Couple of years there can develop his batting.
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Yes u can see theres a method to his batting and very promising technique. Has played short away going deliveries down to third man with soft hands
 
Greenstorm said:
Finally. He has got the potential and the right batting mindset. Needs to be given more opportunities.
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Needs to develop Leg spin more than batting. Leggis mature with age hence he has few years time, but if the "batting habits" not developed now, he'll become another MoHa/Malik.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Yes u can see theres a method to his batting and very promising technique. Has played short away going deliveries down to third man with soft hands
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One thing I always say that any sports is about passion - he loves his batting & fielding. Sadly you can't say that looking at Azhar or Sarfraz :(
 
I predicted between 250-300, and PAK is exactly on that middle point, but from that start, should have batted better. Just about 30-35 wicket-less minutes at the start, SAF would have been sweating now.
 
MMHS said:
One thing I always say that any sports is about passion - he loves his batting & fielding. Sadly you can't say that looking at Azhar or Sarfraz :(
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True. He loves and enjoys his batting. And that is when you respond well to challenges and opportunities
 
MMHS said:
Needs to develop Leg spin more than batting. Leggis mature with age hence he has few years time, but if the "batting habits" not developed now, he'll become another MoHa/Malik.
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He considers himself a batting all rounder actually. But he has the talent to become a genuine all rounder.
 
MMHS said:
I predicted between 250-300, and PAK is exactly on that middle point, but from that start, should have batted better. Just about 30-35 wicket-less minutes at the start, SAF would have been sweating now.
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Yah the wicket isnt so tough , even if asad had played with a bit of caution we would still be fighting.
 
What I like about Shadab compared to the most of the players in the side is that he shows guts. Hope he gets his 50.
 
rollingstoned said:
He bowls very differently in domestics. you evidently don't know anything about him so best not to talk about it
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I'm basing it on evidence at hand obviously. If you have any videos, feel free to post them so we can all have a look at his talent.
 
A little more than 100 was needed.
Had our batsmen stuck around for a little more it could have been much closer.
 
Made SA panic by getting Elgar to bowl.

Moral victory achieved :abbas
 
MMHS said:
I predicted between 250-300, and PAK is exactly on that middle point, but from that start, should have batted better. Just about 30-35 wicket-less minutes at the start, SAF would have been sweating now.
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They were never chasing 381.
 
Now our Kaptaan and foolish coaching staff(except mickey) will come out and put the entire blame on bowlers
 
The pitch was playing well , babar got a good one.

Sarfraz was awful , asad threw his wicket away. Pakistan had a chance to win this.
 
Will Sarfraz resign today or wait for his luck - a decent WC can keep him in Test job for 4 more years under PCB. A 0-5 in ODI will make it really tough even for PCB though.
 
MMHS said:
Will Sarfraz resign today or wait for his luck - a decent WC can keep him in Test job for 4 more years under PCB. A 0-5 in ODI will make it really tough even for PCB though.
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Sarfraz won't resign, it makes no sense to resign since the next test series a long time away, why would he throw himself under the bus when he can wait it out
 
Usman Chadda said:
I'm basing it on evidence at hand obviously. If you have any videos, feel free to post them so we can all have a look at his talent.
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Didn't I mention the role he has been assigned lol. When you have been nstructed to bang the ball.in short you obviously are not going to fuss over wrist and seam position. It is quite obvious. His natural.length in domestic cricket is fuller with the new ball. I read reports from those who watch him who in daresay know more about him than Pp experts who.think he is another CdG or Corey collymore.
 
MMHS said:
Needs to develop Leg spin more than batting. Leggis mature with age hence he has few years time, but if the "batting habits" not developed now, he'll become another MoHa/Malik.
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The thing I never liked even in 90s about our cricket is that we had too much love for limited overs cricket. IQ of fan base and public not educated enough for us to invest in real cricket. Even Cricket, nations biggest passion after religion has hampered severely by the first love 🥶🥶🥶
 
Usman Chadda said:
They were never chasing 381.
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I know, but this 273 is flattering, based on 65+ from last 2 wickets. I was expecting to cross 303 and some solid score from the remaining 3 batsman, sorry 2 batsman & Captain.
 
Mamoon said:
These cheap runs under no pressure with attacking fields mean nothing. People failing to look at the bigger picture again.

Can Shadab come in at 100/3 in ODIs in the 20th over and take the team to 300 batting against quality spinners and hitting out in the death? I don’t think so.
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Shadab is a better batsman than you think. He has scored three tough fifties from tough situations in tests. He deserves to bat higher up the order. I think we haven’t seen his full potential in international cricket yet with the bat.
 
MMHS said:
I predicted between 250-300, and PAK is exactly on that middle point, but from that start, should have batted better. Just about 30-35 wicket-less minutes at the start, SAF would have been sweating now.
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Won't. If the target was say 230 I would have still backed saf to win this. The mental component which you are im sure very well aware of in Pakistan's case and A combination of no pressure due to match situation, attacking fields, highveld outfield and thin atmosphere has contributed to a relatively deceptive 'moral win'
 
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