Sri Lanka (240/9) stun India (208) in 2nd ODI by 32 runs and gain 1-0 lead in three-match series

[IAJ]

Surprised at Indian performance. It looks like a full strength team

Their bowling depend alot on Bumrah. His 10 overs would have been crucial here.

 

[mominsaigol]

A few things I don't understand.

Why is Dube and Axar Patel batting higher then Sheryas when Sheryas is your best no 4?

And how is Gill still in the team? He's been a crapola player ever since his dengue.

 

[sweep_shot]

A few things I don't understand.

Why is Dube and Axar Patel batting higher then Sheryas when Sheryas is your best no 4?

And how is Gill still in the team? He's been a crapola player ever since his dengue.

I think they experimented with certain things.

For example, they tried part-time bowlers (SKY, Rinku, and Gill).

 

[mominsaigol]

I think they experimented with certain things.

For example, they tried part-time bowlers (SKY, Rinku, and Gill).

I'm aware India aren't taking this seriously, and I am mature enough to know what's going on. Obviously I won't insult or mock India lol when it's clear their holding back,

However regardless they should not be losing. Rohit and kohli and Gill were the same opening pair and shame on these 3 for not chasing and capitalising, further more India is pulling a south Africa where it seems a quota system is being Applied.

Aka their seems to be some weird desperate push to make Dube a regular when Dube isn't good enough for Indian standards. Arshdeep Singh is also bowling extremely poorly.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Indian captain Rohit Sharma expressed his disappointment over his team's inability to maintain a consistent level of play, which led to their 32-run defeat against Sri Lanka in the second ODI on Sunday, he said:

“When you lose a game, everything hurts. It’s not just about those 10 overs (when India lost six wickets for 50 runs). You have to play consistent cricket, and we failed to do that. Little disappointed, but these things happen,”

“You got to adapt to what’s in front of you. With left-right (combination of batsmen), we felt it would be easier to rotate the strike. But credit to Jeffrey, he got six wickets,”

“The reason I got 65 is because of the way I batted. When I am batting like that, there are a lot of risks taken. If you don’t cross the line, you always feel disappointed. But I don’t want to compromise on my intent. We understand the nature of this surface; it gets tough in the middle overs. You have to try to get as many as possible in the powerplay,”

 

[Ab Fan]

Yeah but you have Pandya. If he's fit, he's your No. 6. This feels more like an attempt to find a viable back-up for Pandya.

Does Dube have some compromising photographs of the selectors or something? How does he keep getting so many opportunities?

Jaiswal needs to be in there for sure. Personally I would go with the test batting order. Open with Jaiswal and Rohit, Gill at 3, Kohli at 4, Pant at 5, Pandya at 6 followed by Axar and/or Washington.

The selectors are lazy and have the tendency to pick like to like cricketers. If Hardik aint there, they picked Dube. Captains and coach also seems to be contend going with monotonous formulas like preferring Dube ahead because he performed in IPL and WT20. This is ODI format and he doesn't suit them, he shouldn't have been given a nod first. Now that they have picked him,they will give him three games. Can't drop anyone after 1-2 games.

 

[big_gamer007]

I don’t mind losing such bilateral series as long as new blood is given a go.

Gill is fine, he is long term prospect and deserves to play even if he’s out of form.

Dube, Rahul, Kohli, Rohit should have been rested and Jaiswal, Samson/Pant etc should have been given such series.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Superb victory by Lanka.. It would be great if they manage to win the series. It will boost their morals.

 

[MP2011]

Two odi ago he had scored a century and half century in ODI cricket.

Theses pitch are very difficult in middle over period .

So Kohli can bat only on featherbeds.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Abhishek Nayar, attended the press conference on Sunday and said that India will go back and understand the reason behind the back-to-back poor show:​

“We want to go back and understand and rectify why it happened twice in a row. The day before yesterday (Friday), we were able to stitch partnerships. But today (Sunday), we lost quite a few wickets in a bundle.”

“Was it a shock? I would say yes; there is a surprise. But you anticipate and understand that in these conditions, the game can turn on its head because there is so much spin on offer.”

“Even if you look at the last game, it was relatively easy to score against the new ball. As the ball got older, the conditions when batting second got slightly tougher. Sometimes in tough conditions, especially in the 50-over format, this happens."

“They bowled well; I think Vandersay bowled the ideal length in these conditions. In such conditions, when the ball is turning—and the way Vandersay bowled today, used his finger, and bowled stump to stump—you get these phases when there is assistance from the pitch. I feel today we should give more credit to Sri Lanka.”

 

[mominsaigol]

I don’t mind losing such bilateral series as long as new blood is given a go.

Gill is fine, he is long term prospect and deserves to play even if he’s out of form.

Dube, Rahul, Kohli, Rohit should have been rested and Jaiswal, Samson/Pant etc should have been given such series.

Gill is not the answer if India is genuinely seeking a replacement to Rohit and Kohli. Gill isn't even suited to replace Dhawan.(Prime Dhawan)

 

[The lone Ranger]

So Kohli can bat only on featherbeds.

Batted well in the recent SA test series where other Indian players had no clue.

 

[MP2011]

Batted well in the recent SA test series where other Indian players had no clue.

I was replying to the poster who said these are difficult pitches to bat on.

Also that was test series, different formats require different skills.

 

[The lone Ranger]

I was replying to the poster who said these are difficult pitches to bat on.

Also that was test series, different formats require different skills.

Yes, He is not wrong that these pitches are difficult, and getting out cheaply here doesn't mean that he can only bat on featherbeds.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Where are statpadder tuk tuk Gill's supporters?

Can't buy a run on wickets which seam or spin.

Jaiswal & Ruturaj should be open once Rohit calls it quits. Statpadder Gill should bat at 3 or 4.

Pant should play at 4 in place of ftb Iyer. Iyer should only play test matches in Asia. He is listless everywhere else.

Time has come to throw out Rahul from the team permanently.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Superb victory by Lanka.. It would be great if they manage to win the series. It will boost their morals.

SL won only because they got to bat first on that dry pitch. They will get bowled out for less than 100 if they bat second in the 3rd ODI.

Anyways good victory for them after the T20 series humiliation.

 

[MP2011]

Yes, He is not wrong that these pitches are difficult, and getting out cheaply here doesn't mean that he can only bat on featherbeds.

In LoIs, Kohli is surplus to our requirements, featberbeds or not. His less than ideal strike rate always drags down the team.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

In LoIs, Kohli is surplus to our requirements, featberbeds or not. His less than ideal strike rate always drags down the team.

Rohit, Gill and Kohli are still playing like T20s, they should play like ODIs. both the games they threw away good starts. That's ok in T20s but not in ODIs.

 

[Devadwal]

Where are statpadder tuk tuk Gill's supporters?

Can't buy a run on wickets which seam or spin.

Jaiswal & Ruturaj should be open once Rohit calls it quits. Statpadder Gill should bat at 3 or 4.

Pant should play at 4 in place of ftb Iyer. Iyer should only play test matches in Asia. He is listless everywhere else.

Time has come to throw out Rahul from the team permanently.

Haha gill statspadder in odi ?? Check his strike rate and average .

Gill has strike rate of 102 and average 60 in ODI cricket.

Dont worry after CT Gill will be all formats captain of india .

Tuktukraj has no place as Jaiswal is coming after Rohit and Virat .

CSK fan go and cry on social media .

 

[MP2011]

Rohit, Gill and Kohli are still playing like T20s, they should play like ODIs. both the games they threw away good starts. That's ok in T20s but not in ODIs.

Rohit can still be excused as he still scored 2 50s in 2 games.

But Kohli failed in both the games. Had he operated at even half of his pre lockdown level of chasing scores in ODIs, we'd have won both games, easily.

 

[big_gamer007]

Gill is not the answer if India is genuinely seeking a replacement to Rohit and Kohli. Gill isn't even suited to replace Dhawan.(Prime Dhawan)

In ODI gill is fine, with time he will improve.
He is still young and remember Kohli, Rohit, Sachin all got a long rope to become players they became later on.

Gill needs to be given same chances, will do good long run.

 

[rhony]

There's nothing stunning about it. Kohli needs to go. They barely survived the first ODI. Iyer and Rahul are playing after a while and one can't expect them to shine right away. India also seems to have taken SL too lightly.

 

[mominsaigol]

In ODI gill is fine, with time he will improve.
He is still young and remember Kohli, Rohit, Sachin all got a long rope to become players they became later on.

Gill needs to be given same chances, will do good long run.

Rohit was batting out of order that's why.

As soon as he was given the opening role in 2013, he became the legendary hitman.

Kohli fired as soon as he got the no 3 position

Sachin was smashing it at 16 after just a few games once he adjusted to international pace.

Neither of these 3 had such a severe lapse in form like Gill has, Rohit had a lapse and so did kohli on occasion, however their value is infinitely higher then Gill, With rohit even if he's out of form you want him for obvious reasons cause if he fires its game over for the opposition, Same with kohli

 

[big_gamer007]

Rohit was batting out of order that's why.

As soon as he was given the opening role in 2013, he became the legendary hitman.

Kohli fired as soon as he got the no 3 position

Sachin was smashing it at 16 after just a few games once he adjusted to international pace.

Neither of these 3 had such a severe lapse in form like Gill has, Rohit had a lapse and so did kohli on occasion, however their value is infinitely higher then Gill, With rohit even if he's out of form you want him for obvious reasons cause if he fires its game over for the opposition, Same with kohli

You are missing the point, I am not comparing Gill to those guys.

What I am saying is that Gill has the ability to be the next big long term prospect and needs to be persisted with in ODI’s.
Whether after a year or so he becomes the next Hitman/Kohli/Sachin the jury is still out.

But right now he’s the brightest prospect we have for ODI’s.

 

[mominsaigol]

You are missing the point, I am not comparing Gill to those guys.

What I am saying is that Gill has the ability to be the next big long term prospect and needs to be persisted with in ODI’s.
Whether after a year or so he becomes the next Hitman/Kohli/Sachin the jury is still out.

But right now he’s the brightest prospect we have for ODI’s.

No he doesn't. Not if he's scoring 16 of 35's consistently.

Rohit even out of form wasn't a tuk tuk batter.

 

[AMSS]

In ODI gill is fine, with time he will improve.
He is still young and remember Kohli, Rohit, Sachin all got a long rope to become players they became later on.

Gill needs to be given same chances, will do good long run.

Sachin got a long rope in ODIs? Lmao

 

[AMSS]

No he doesn't. Not if he's scoring 16 of 35's consistently.

Rohit even out of form wasn't a tuk tuk batter.

But Gill is not scoring 16 of 35 consistently. If he did, he would not average what he does at near 100 SR.

Yes, Rohit was every bit as tuk tuk at the start of his career.

 

[AMSS]

Rohit was batting out of order that's why.

As soon as he was given the opening role in 2013, he became the legendary hitman.

Kohli fired as soon as he got the no 3 position

Sachin was smashing it at 16 after just a few games once he adjusted to international pace.

Neither of these 3 had such a severe lapse in form like Gill has, Rohit had a lapse and so did kohli on occasion, however their value is infinitely higher then Gill, With rohit even if he's out of form you want him for obvious reasons cause if he fires its game over for the opposition, Same with kohli

Rohit batting out of order is just you having the benefit of hindsight. Everyone has that you are not bringing some piercing insight lmao

Gill has had no lapse, forget ''severe lapse''. He's coming of the back of two sensational years in ODIs. He's in the middle of a purple patch, if anything.

 

[big_gamer007]

Sachin got a long rope in ODIs? Lmao

You must be too young to understand.

When Sachin started he played later down the order, he wasn’t the main batsman and it took him 60-70 matches to score his first 100.

He was 16 and everyone knew he would be a star for future and they persisted with him, rightfully so.

There is no comparison between Sachin and Gill, Gills competition is with his current peers in ODI. And he seems to be the most promising prospect for future amongst those (in ODI not T20), so should be stuck with.

People who haven’t played sports at any level don’t understand the grooming process. People are expecting Gill to perform in every match at this age, his peak will come 4-5 years later, right now it’s time to groom him to make the best use of his peak.

 

[big_gamer007]

No he doesn't. Not if he's scoring 16 of 35's consistently.

Rohit even out of form wasn't a tuk tuk batter.

Again, you are not making any sense, Rohit is not the competition of Gill, there is no point comparing them.

Rohit’s career is about to end in few years, Gills is starting.

We are talking about future, 2027 WC, 2031/32 WC, do you think Rohit will be playing those? If not then why compare Rohit with Gill.

Gill is young, you don’t expect a young batsman to become the mainstay of team when there are seniors already playing, it’s important to groom Gill and other such youngsters by giving them responsibility in big matches/tournaments without Kohli/Rohit. That’s how you make next Rohit/Kohli.

We will lose matches in this process and that’s expected, fans need to stop thinking short term and focus on world cups

 

[mominsaigol]

Again, you are not making any sense, Rohit is not the competition of Gill, there is no point comparing them.

Rohit’s career is about to end in few years, Gills is starting.

We are talking about future, 2027 WC, 2031/32 WC, do you think Rohit will be playing those? If not then why compare Rohit with Gill.

Gill is young, you don’t expect a young batsman to become the mainstay of team when there are seniors already playing, it’s important to groom Gill and other such youngsters by giving them responsibility in big matches/tournaments without Kohli/Rohit. That’s how you make next Rohit/Kohli.

We will lose matches in this process and that’s expected, fans need to stop thinking short term and focus on world cups

Rohit and Gill are 100% in competition with one another. Their both openers lol, And you need someone to replace Rohit's legacy one he's gone.

The next rohit and Kohli aren't made by giving some random prospect a long run especially when Gill went into a downward spiral.

Value and potential is checked. Rohit was the right man to replace Sehwag because in terms of value he was always naturally aggressive, Hence if he could bloom and blossom and be groomed you have someone who could not only replace sehwag but surpass him completely.

Would you tell Ahmed Shehzad back when he made his debut and scored a century on debut that because he's a long term prospect he should replace Rohit? Absolutely not because even if Shehzad never regressed his peak wouldn't match up and he's just not the same style of player.

Value needs to be assessed, Aka find someone who's naturally very very aggressive and utilises the PP and groom and blossom him as the next replacement to Rohit. Gill is more like A replacement to KL rahul who was only made an opener because Dhawan got old and fizzled out.

This is something I keep trying to teach Pakiatani fans as well when they proclaim rizwan should have replaced fakhar.

It seems only Australia and England seem to get it and understand, Aka with Warner being a natural replacement to Gilchrist and Travis head being a natural replacement to Warner and Jake fraser now being selected as the next opener to keep the tradition of aggressive aussie opening duo going.

 

[BouncerGuy]

It was a shocking defeat tbh. India should just get rid of Kl Rahul. Gill's form is also questionable. Virat is past his prime and his form has declined as well. Hardik and Pant should be there.

 

[AMSS]

You must be too young to understand .

When Sachin started he played later down the order, he wasn’t the main batsman and it took him 60-70 matches to score his first 100.

He was 16 and everyone knew he would be a star for future and they persisted with him, rightfully so.

There is no comparison between Sachin and Gill, Gills competition is with his current peers in ODI. And he seems to be the most promising prospect for future amongst those (in ODI not T20), so should be stuck with.

People who haven’t played sports at any level don’t understand the grooming process. People are expecting Gill to perform in every match at this age, his peak will come 4-5 years later, right now it’s time to groom him to make the best use of his peak.

With that being understood, let's revisit your points. No Sachin did not get a long rope in ODIs since the day of his debut. In the first 60 matches of his career, Sachin was the 2nd best batsman in the team only marginally behind Azharuddin. Does that register as long rope? LOL.

 

[AMSS]

Rohit and Gill are 100% in competition with one another. Their both openers lol, And you need someone to replace Rohit's legacy one he's gone.

Correct. Both are in competition but both are also in rich form while Jaiswal - whom everyone understands is in even bigger form and a ceiling as high as any - is knocking the door down. If Rohit continues his form then only reason to get rid of him would be based on his age and next WC being 3.5 years away. But that argument would also takedown Kohli who's been in very questionable form for far too long.

 

[mominsaigol]

Correct. Both are in competition but both are also in rich form while Jaiswal - whom everyone understands is in even bigger form and a ceiling as high as any - is knocking the door down. If Rohit continues his form then only reason to get rid of him would be based on his age and next WC being 3.5 years away. But that argument would also takedown Kohli who's been in very questionable form for far too long.

Jaiswal is a serious contender to replace Rohit once rohit retires. I agree.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Jaiswal is a serious contender to replace Rohit once rohit retires. I agree.

Why don't they replace him with Gill right now or Maybe KL rahul???

 

[Devadwal]

How about this playing eleven for champion trophy

Rohit
Jasiwal
Virat ( ideally want gill to play at 3)
Gill
Pant
Rahul / Iyer/ Rinku/ Parag
Hardik
Axar
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Siraj/ Shami

 

[mominsaigol]

Why don't they replace him with Gill right now or Maybe KL rahul???

Because Dravid that's why.

Regardless, I love the indian cricket team, Actually I like and discuss all teams lol and when it comes to India I've observed a few things.

A) Their fans are way too impatient and harsh on Rohit and Kohli not realising even though their burnt corpses their still superior to most of the unit.

I remember when people jumped the bandwagon with Gill due to him scoring 9 centuries in a year and kishan because he scored the fastest double century and they wanted these 2 to open for them with rohit dropped.

If BCCI had listened to the fans, India would have been 40 for 2 after 10 overs in the cup lol. Rohit adds alot of value.

B) Most fans in general and heck even the PCB administration especially Misbah and Indian and Pakistani fans do not understand that value and go by past statistics or want quick fixes.

It is foolish to think Gill should be playing over jaiswal atm or even abhisheik as the successor of Rohit should be in the same vein as how Rohit was an easy successor to sehwag, In the same vein as to how Warner and now Travis head were the natural successors to gilchrist.

It's also why Fakhar being replaced by Rizwan is such a stupid move, You're using consistency as an excuse when the goal should either be to focus on improving falhar and make him more consistent due to the value he provides when on song, or replace him with a similar prospect who has the ability to get massive scores (which atm I don't see anyone in pakistan having)

Only Indian fans and Pakistani fans and Dravid + Misbah can be this stubborn and have outdated views.

The 2024 t20 wc is fooling everyone who still think Kohli opening was the right decison when it wasn't even if he performed in the final(even then credit doesn't go to him, it goes to Bumrah)

Jaiswal amd Rohit shpuld have been the opening pair for 2024 t20 wc with kohli being dropped from the t20 side.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Haha gill statspadder in odi ?? Check his strike rate and average .

Gill has strike rate of 102 and average 60 in ODI cricket.

Dont worry after CT Gill will be all formats captain of india .

Tuktukraj has no place as Jaiswal is coming after Rohit and Virat .

CSK fan go and cry on social media .

I am no CSK fan lmao.

Gill has two superb years but on flat tracks at home, he was exposed in WTC final, WC final. Failed in Sri Lanka too.

Plus BCCI are doing a mistake by putting spotlight on him by giving him vice captaincy.

Pant or Bumrah should be the captains moving forward & not ftb stat padder Gill.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Because Dravid that's why.

Regardless, I love the indian cricket team, Actually I like and discuss all teams lol and when it comes to India I've observed a few things.

A) Their fans are way too impatient and harsh on Rohit and Kohli not realising even though their burnt corpses their still superior to most of the unit.

I remember when people jumped the bandwagon with Gill due to him scoring 9 centuries in a year and kishan because he scored the fastest double century and they wanted these 2 to open for them with rohit dropped.

If BCCI had listened to the fans, India would have been 40 for 2 after 10 overs in the cup lol. Rohit adds alot of value.

B) Most fans in general and heck even the PCB administration especially Misbah and Indian and Pakistani fans do not understand that value and go by past statistics or want quick fixes.

It is foolish to think Gill should be playing over jaiswal atm or even abhisheik as the successor of Rohit should be in the same vein as how Rohit was an easy successor to sehwag, In the same vein as to how Warner and now Travis head were the natural successors to gilchrist.

It's also why Fakhar being replaced by Rizwan is such a stupid move, You're using consistency as an excuse when the goal should either be to focus on improving falhar and make him more consistent due to the value he provides when on song, or replace him with a similar prospect who has the ability to get massive scores (which atm I don't see anyone in pakistan having)

Only Indian fans and Pakistani fans and Dravid + Misbah can be this stubborn and have outdated views.

The 2024 t20 wc is fooling everyone who still think Kohli opening was the right decison when it wasn't even if he performed in the final(even then credit doesn't go to him, it goes to Bumrah)

Jaiswal amd Rohit shpuld have been the opening pair for 2024 t20 wc with kohli being dropped from the t20 side.

Jaiswal would have failed in T20 World Cup because of the pressure of ICC tournaments.

Jaiswal couldn't put bat to ball in the 2 test matches in South Africa, he only scored when India needed a small target of 72 to win in the 2nd test.

The Australia test series will be true test of Jaiswal & Gill, although Gill has proved himself on last Australian tour with match winning 91 on the last day at the Gabba.

Kohli was playing in the wrong position in T20 World Cup, he should have been at #3 & Pant should have opened alongside Rohit.

 

[mominsaigol]

Jaiswal would have failed in T20 World Cup because of the pressure of ICC tournaments.

Jaiswal couldn't put bat to ball in the 2 test matches in South Africa, he only scored when India needed a small target of 72 to win in the 2nd test.

The Australia test series will be true test of Jaiswal & Gill, although Gill has proved himself on last Australian tour with match winning 91 on the last day at the Gabba.

Kohli was playing in the wrong position in T20 World Cup, he should have been at #3 & Pant should have opened alongside Rohit.

That's why you develop before hand and not at the eve of a tournament by obsessively being stuck up on Kohli and rohit 24/7

 

[harshjoshi87]

That's why you develop before hand and not at the eve of a tournament by obsessively being stuck up on Kohli and rohit 24/7

I think the ICC pushed BCCI for Rohit & Virat's inclusion for the T20 World Cup as it was taking place in USA for the first time.

There was no place for Rohit & Virat in the T20I side since the semifinal loss in 2022 T20 World Cup.

Hardik was the designated captain, his injury in 2023 World Cup changed selectors mind to bring back Rohit. But there was a dilemma - they had to select Rohit & Virat both as selecting one of the two would have led to some rift among the top 2 India stars.

Also it gave another opportunity for Rohit & Virat to lift ICC trophy for 3rd time which they were trying to do since 2013.

 

[mominsaigol]

I think the ICC pushed BCCI for Rohit & Virat's inclusion for the T20 World Cup as it was taking place in USA for the first time.

There was no place for Rohit & Virat in the T20I side since the semifinal loss in 2022 T20 World Cup.

Hardik was the designated captain, his injury in 2023 World Cup changed selectors mind to bring back Rohit. But there was a dilemma - they had to select Rohit & Virat both as selecting one of the two would have led to some rift among the top 2 India stars.

Also it gave another opportunity for Rohit & Virat to lift ICC trophy for 3rd time which they were trying to do since 2013.

I don't mind Rohit playing. He should have reminded captain.

I mind Kohli playing, and they should have dropped him when India was focusing on giving confidence and match practise to their new blood before the eve of 2024 t20 wc.

Rohit and Jaiswal should have been established as the opening duo well before the cup.

Despite kohli's performance in the final and India remaining unbeaten, I remain absolutely firm and unshaken in my belief that Kohli should not have played the cup, let alone opened and hence blocking pathways for a new up and developing youngster.

It's not just India. I'm critical of multiple teams. Australia is my favourite but my stance is that Marsh should not have captained and it was a mistake not taking Jake fraser Mcgurk, since Australia could have given him practise in the warmups.

Similarly I'm critical of Pakistan as alot of people know already, Am critical of SA's stupid quota system and hence reeza hendricks showing up. They should select on merit rather then adopting a white to colored system, Unless an Amla shows up, White batters should be preferred if their simply performing better, But Alas SA board doesn't share the same sentiment and they think black + Colored will be under represented even though that's not selection and merit works.

 

[harshjoshi87]

I don't mind Rohit playing. He should have reminded captain.

I mind Kohli playing, and they should have dropped him when India was focusing on giving confidence and match practise to their new blood before the eve of 2024 t20 wc.

Rohit and Jaiswal should have been established as the opening duo well before the cup.

Despite kohli's performance in the final and India remaining unbeaten, I remain absolutely firm and unshaken in my belief that Kohli should not have played the cup, let alone opened and hence blocking pathways for a new up and developing youngster.

It's not just India. I'm critical of multiple teams. Australia is my favourite but my stance is that Marsh should not have captained and it was a mistake not taking Jake fraser Mcgurk, since Australia could have given him practise in the warmups.

Similarly I'm critical of Pakistan as alot of people know already, Am critical of SA's stupid quota system and hence reeza hendricks showing up. They should select on merit rather then adopting a white to colored system, Unless an Amla shows up, White batters should be preferred if their simply performing better, But Alas SA board doesn't share the same sentiment and they think black + Colored will be under represented even though that's not selection and merit works.

You know how it works in the Asia. Senior plays don't want to quit easily & our administrators let them do their thing.

The broadcasters pressurise BCCI in playing star players from all IPL teams to get more eyeballs. They don't care about winning and losing. All matters is $$$$.

I agree with you Virat shouldn't have played even for that matter Rohit as they both have failed on numerous occasions in the past to win ICC Trophy in the past. Because of the disappointment loss in the ODI World Cup last year which India dominated until the final, BCCI finally gave in to their wishes to play in this World Cup. Both are now part of 3 ICC Trophy winning teams looking for 4th & 5th in CT 2025 & WTC 2025.

Pakistan are also doing the same thing. Babar should clearly play only as a player as his performance is getting affected under the burden of captaincy.

Australians & English are best in this regard, they move on quickly although Warner was also favored over McGurk.

South Africa will turn into West Indies if they don't abolish this quota system. Their performances have improved as they are playing more merit based played in past couple of years instead of mediocre black players. Apart from couple of guys most black players under perform. Tony De Zorgi looks good though.

 

[mominsaigol]

You know how it works in the Asia. Senior plays don't want to quit easily & our administrators let them do their thing.

The broadcasters pressurise BCCI in playing star players from all IPL teams to get more eyeballs. They don't care about winning and losing. All matters is $$$$.

I agree with you Virat shouldn't have played even for that matter Rohit as they both have failed on numerous occasions in the past to win ICC Trophy in the past. Because of the disappointment loss in the ODI World Cup last year which India dominated until the final, BCCI finally gave in to their wishes to play in this World Cup. Both are now part of 3 ICC Trophy winning teams looking for 4th & 5th in CT 2025 & WTC 2025.

Pakistan are also doing the same thing. Babar should clearly play only as a player as his performance is getting affected under the burden of captaincy.

Australians & English are best in this regard, they move on quickly although Warner was also favored over McGurk.

South Africa will turn into West Indies if they don't abolish this quota system. Their performances have improved as they are playing more merit based played in past couple of years instead of mediocre black players. Apart from couple of guys most black players under perform. Tony De Zorgi looks good though.

Tbf to Australia Warner didn't do anything to warrant a drop, his lack of form was only apprant this Cup and even then he dominated England in the PP. Mcgurk would have made way for Inglis or Wade, Keep one of inglis or wade in reserves if injury happens, this way they could have had a backup, Regardless, Australia has made it clear Jake will play ct 2025 even though Warner announced he's happy to take back retirement.

As for Babar, the thing about Babar is that fans don't understand him. I've spoken to many people on this forumn who have bought into the Ramiz raja and Babar hype thinking he's the best batsmen from Pakistan all time and is some atg while some people think the opposite as if he's some no 11.

The God Honest truth is that Babar from 2016 to 2021 was an okay batsmen, managed to scored 3 consecutive 100's against WI( Yes weak bowling lineup but 3 in a row isn't an easy fest regardless), Top scored for 2021 wc, Was one of the main factors that caused Pakistan to become a good t20 side In 2018, Has a pretty good 100 against NZ in wc 2019 and they were the best bowling team of the tournament and actually handled India pretty well for a 10 wicket win despite them playing with Bumrah etc.

But he was always an okayish batsmen, Just a decent accumulative batter who was never in the league of Warner, Travis, Butler, QDK, Rohit, Kohli, Phil Salt and various top tier batsmen in the world.

But ramiz raja and fans hyped him over the moon, to the point that they proclaimed he's the best batsmen to ever come out of Pakistan and hence forth is the natural man to lead despite Babar never having won even local Pakistani leagues as captain.

Afterwards from 2022 onwards his form and fitness plummeted into oblivion and I doubt it was captaincy pressure because in 2021 he was peak confident under captaincy, it was genuinely a lapse in form and fitness.

Given babar's current condition, he is in no condition to play t20, only odi and test and that too is under scrutinity as Fakhar, Abdullah shafiq, and even Rizwan and salman Ali Agha and Saud(in test) have been put performing him as a batter.

Logically he shpuld be dropped until he can improve form and fitness. Only player you can't drop is Fakhar due to value of X factor and his 180+ scores he provides in odi.

But because this is pakistan and PCB is a moron, they'll keep him as captain, and deapite his crapola form they'll keep acting as if he's the Don Bradman of cricket even though in his absolute prime he was nothing more then a poor Man's version of Amla in odi and test.

 

[Rayavaram]

I don't mind Rohit playing. He should have reminded captain.

I mind Kohli playing, and they should have dropped him when India was focusing on giving confidence and match practise to their new blood before the eve of 2024 t20 wc.

Rohit and Jaiswal should have been established as the opening duo well before the cup.

Despite kohli's performance in the final and India remaining unbeaten, I remain absolutely firm and unshaken in my belief that Kohli should not have played the cup, let alone opened and hence blocking pathways for a new up and developing youngster.

It's not just India. I'm critical of multiple teams. Australia is my favourite but my stance is that Marsh should not have captained and it was a mistake not taking Jake fraser Mcgurk, since Australia could have given him practise in the warmups.

Similarly I'm critical of Pakistan as alot of people know already, Am critical of SA's stupid quota system and hence reeza hendricks showing up. They should select on merit rather then adopting a white to colored system, Unless an Amla shows up, White batters should be preferred if their simply performing better, But Alas SA board doesn't share the same sentiment and they think black + Colored will be under represented even though that's not selection and merit works.

How can they drop kohli after iconic innings vs pak in last t20 wc. Also 2024 ipl Orange cap winner 155sr. When it mattered most kohli contributed to the team. Given the situation kohli 76 runs very valuable.

 

[Rayavaram]

That's why you develop before hand and not at the eve of a tournament by obsessively being stuck up on Kohli and rohit 24/7

Kohli won all 3 icc trophies(wc, t20wc, ct) as a player, As many as Pakistan.. won 3 pott in icc tournaments. He deserved to play

 

[mominsaigol]

Kohli won all 3 icc trophies(wc, t20wc, ct) as a player, As many as Pakistan.. won 3 pott in icc tournaments. He deserved to play

Kohli flunked all his games in 2024, even in the final, his innings was slow as molasses and India was extremely under par.

Kohli is the not the one who won it for india, the cresit goes to Bumrah for making a 26 of 24 chase with 7 wickets in hand impossible for SA.

What Kohli did is no different to How Misbah use to play his innings in that batsmen around him collapse so he can use his tuk tuk approach.

However the difference is that because He's kohli, loyal fans won't complain.

Going back to 2022, 2021, 2016, 2014 is completly irrelevant because everyone knows that Kohli's peak was from 2014-2019. From 2021 to 2023 kohli declined as a t20 player due to age catching up to him however he was still capable of playing atg innings here and their.

By 2024 Kohli as a t20 player is a hollow shell of his former self. Odi and test are different formats to t20, no one is asking Kohli to be dropped from test and odi.

Indian fans wanted kohli to be dropped this cup, but rohit and dravid disagreed. Heck even kohli himself doesn't think he's capable of playing t20 anymore which is why he retired.

Note: I am not comparing Kohli to Misbah by any metric, if I get comments claiming this, then you guys simply cannot read or lack the ability to comprehend sentences.

Kohli won all 3 icc trophies(wc, t20wc, ct) as a player, As many as Pakistan.. won 3 pott in icc tournaments. He deserved to play

 

[BouncerGuy]

This thread is not about any comparisons from the past. Talk about the game that sri lanka won.

 

[Rayavaram]

Kohli flunked all his games in 2024, even in the final, his innings was slow as molasses and India was extremely under par.

Kohli is the not the one who won it for india, the cresit goes to Bumrah for making a 26 of 24 chase with 7 wickets in hand impossible for SA.

What Kohli did is no different to How Misbah use to play his innings in that batsmen around him collapse so he can use his tuk tuk approach.

However the difference is that because He's kohli, loyal fans won't complain.

Going back to 2022, 2021, 2016, 2014 is completly irrelevant because everyone knows that Kohli's peak was from 2014-2019. From 2021 to 2023 kohli declined as a t20 player due to age catching up to him however he was still capable of playing atg innings here and their.

By 2024 Kohli as a t20 player is a hollow shell of his former self. Odi and test are different formats to t20, no one is asking Kohli to be dropped from test and odi.

Indian fans wanted kohli to be dropped this cup, but rohit and dravid disagreed. Heck even kohli himself doesn't think he's capable of playing t20 anymore which is why he retired.

Note: I am not comparing Kohli to Misbah by any metric, if I get comments claiming this, then you guys simply cannot read or lack the ability to comprehend sentences.

Given the 34-3 situation decent contribution. If kohli gone to single digit like pant, sky, ro we may be bundled out to 140-150 runs

 

[mominsaigol]

Given the 34-3 situation decent contribution. If kohli gone to single digit like pant, sky, ro we may be bundled out to 140-150 runs

I'm aware, doesn't change the fact that kohli is a burnt corpse of a t20 player something even he admits to.

Kohli desperately tried to fit In 2024 t20 wc but simply couldn't. He's aged and he knew as a t20 opener he has to attack and set the pace however he frequently got out for low scores and most of the times he got out when he was looking to attack.

Before the final, the one time he got over 20 runs was a pathetic 26 of 24.

It's just the final situation favoured him. He could play his usual odi style innings as everyone failrd and flunked, Hence kohli could accumulative and activate his 5th hear by the end to get India a decent total.

However for India to even reach the final, they had numerous close calls and most of those close calls were handled by Bumrah.

Australia were smashing India, They had reached 110 by 10 overs with 9 wickets in hand and were way ahead of RR, But Bumrah came in and got the rr to increase and took Travis head's wicket.

Similarly the score against England was subpar, it's the bowling the bundled England out.

In the Pakistan vs India game, the praise again goes to Bumrah and axar patel for saving the game.

India would have been out of the tournament multiple times before that if it wasn't for the bowling.

The bowlers especially Bumrah are the heroes of the tournament, not a burnt out corpse kohli who flunked every game, left India in a crippled state every game and in the final kicked off and even then got a below par score for the team.

Again you guys assume that just because ATG kohli of 2014-2019 was a goated player, it means he can't be questioned and the atg status and logic applies to 2024.

You guys need to relax, even in odi in the sri lanka game kohli's cracks are now showing.

He's a human being, he gets older, reactions slow down, Every player peaks and declines. Even Sachin declined in his later career playing a sub par innings with multiple drop catches against pakistan in 2011 and in 2012 just not being as aggressive as he was in prime.

Kohli of 2014-2022 is dead now

 

[Rayavaram]

I'm aware, doesn't change the fact that kohli is a burnt corpse of a t20 player something even he admits to.

Kohli desperately tried to fit In 2024 t20 wc but simply couldn't. He's aged and he knew as a t20 opener he has to attack and set the pace however he frequently got out for low scores and most of the times he got out when he was looking to attack.

Before the final, the one time he got over 20 runs was a pathetic 26 of 24.

It's just the final situation favoured him. He could play his usual odi style innings as everyone failrd and flunked, Hence kohli could accumulative and activate his 5th hear by the end to get India a decent total.

However for India to even reach the final, they had numerous close calls and most of those close calls were handled by Bumrah.

Australia were smashing India, They had reached 110 by 10 overs with 9 wickets in hand and were way ahead of RR, But Bumrah came in and got the rr to increase and took Travis head's wicket.

Similarly the score against England was subpar, it's the bowling the bundled England out.

In the Pakistan vs India game, the praise again goes to Bumrah and axar patel for saving the game.

India would have been out of the tournament multiple times before that if it wasn't for the bowling.

The bowlers especially Bumrah are the heroes of the tournament, not a burnt out corpse kohli who flunked every game, left India in a crippled state every game and in the final kicked off and even then got a below par score for the team.

Again you guys assume that just because ATG kohli of 2014-2019 was a goated player, it means he can't be questioned and the atg status and logic applies to 2024.

You guys need to relax, even in odi in the sri lanka game kohli's cracks are now showing.

He's a human being, he gets older, reactions slow down, Every player peaks and declines. Even Sachin declined in his later career playing a sub par innings with multiple drop catches against pakistan in 2011 and in 2012 just not being as aggressive as he was in prime.

Kohli of 2014-2022 is dead now

I'm aware, doesn't change the fact that kohli is a burnt corpse of a t20 player something even he admits to.

Kohli desperately tried to fit In 2024 t20 wc but simply couldn't. He's aged and he knew as a t20 opener he has to attack and set the pace however he frequently got out for low scores and most of the times he got out when he was looking to attack.

Before the final, the one time he got over 20 runs was a pathetic 26 of 24.

It's just the final situation favoured him. He could play his usual odi style innings as everyone failrd and flunked, Hence kohli could accumulative and activate his 5th hear by the end to get India a decent total.

However for India to even reach the final, they had numerous close calls and most of those close calls were handled by Bumrah.

Australia were smashing India, They had reached 110 by 10 overs with 9 wickets in hand and were way ahead of RR, But Bumrah came in and got the rr to increase and took Travis head's wicket.

Similarly the score against England was subpar, it's the bowling the bundled England out.

In the Pakistan vs India game, the praise again goes to Bumrah and axar patel for saving the game.

India would have been out of the tournament multiple times before that if it wasn't for the bowling.

The bowlers especially Bumrah are the heroes of the tournament, not a burnt out corpse kohli who flunked every game, left India in a crippled state every game and in the final kicked off and even then got a below par score for the team.

Again you guys assume that just because ATG kohli of 2014-2019 was a goated player, it means he can't be questioned and the atg status and logic applies to 2024.

You guys need to relax, even in odi in the sri lanka game kohli's cracks are now showing.

He's a human being, he gets older, reactions slow down, Every player peaks and declines. Even Sachin declined in his later career playing a sub par innings with multiple drop catches against pakistan in 2011 and in 2012 just not being as aggressive as he was in prime.

Kohli of 2014-2022 is dead now

He don't have motivation to perform in bilaterals n kohli have problems in spin tracks. His target only big events.. CT 2025 litmus test for kohli future

 

[mominsaigol]

He don't have motivation to perform in bilaterals n kohli have problems in spin tracks. His target only big events.. CT 2025 litmus test for kohli future

He'll probs retire by 2025 from odi.

Idk what litmus test you're referring to.

 

[Rayavaram]

He'll probs retire by 2025 from odi.

Idk what litmus test you're referring to.

He won't retire.