State of Pakistan's Hindus in India

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So, let me get this straight.

These families, most hovering along the poverty line, subjected to systemic discrimination, uproot everything and move hundreds of miles away, so they can be treated as a human being.

Once these refugees are subjected to further discrimination, and are stuck between a rock and a hard place, your response is to mock them. BRAVO!

Not only that, you’re insinuated that they should have been grateful for their treatment in Pakistan.

What have you done to address their persecution, as you are gloating about their return?

What a dumb post. Where did I mock them? I said it's a great lesson for them to know that grass is not greener on the other side. If I had the power to do something, I would first do it for my own country's minorities then think about others. You may like it or not but that's how it should be. Same goes for Pakistan they should think about their minorities first.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

As you rightly said, apart from hollow threats from few petty people (intolerant Bhakts as you would call them), muslims in India never face any discrimination and hence no one ever required to take refuge in any other country.
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I had to stop reading here, and thought if there ever was an award of Darwinism.

 

[uberkoen]

11 Pakistani Hindus Killed In India For Refusing to Spy Against Pakistan

The Foreign Office has revealed that 11 Pakistani Hindu migrants were killed in India for refusing to spy for India against their homeland. Pakistan has demanded clarification from India on the mysterious killings of 11 Pakistani Hindus.

Last month, 11 migrants of a Bheel family were mysteriously found dead at their home in Jodhpur, Rajasthan. The police had launched an investigation, suspecting that the family was poisoned. However, no further details were released on the homicide.

On Thursday, during a weekly press briefing, the Foreign Office spokesman, Zahid Hafeez Chaudhry, said that Shrimati Mukhi, daughter of a member of the affected family, had alleged in a press conference that the Indian intelligence agency RAW was behind the mass murder. According to her, the agency had asked the family to become an anti-Pakistan agent and later killed them for refusing.

The FO spokesperson said that Indian policies are a threat to regional peace. He noted that Pakistan has repeatedly asked about the investigation into the mysterious deaths of 11 Pakistani Hindus, but India refrained from sharing any information on the matter.

arlier on Sunday, the Bheel woman addressed a press conference in Hyderabad where she appealed to the Pakistan government and International Court of Justice (ICJ) to ensure the forensic investigation into the mysterious death of 11 family members.

Shrimati Mukhi claimed that the Indian agency had her father and other family members killed through the RSS goons after it failed to convince him to act as a spy against Pakistan.

She revealed that her father had decided to return to Pakistan to expose RAW, but they were killed in their sleep to protect the agency.

In a separate development, a Hindu family who had previously migrated to India has returned to Pakistan. The family of 14 arrived via Wagah border and has been dispatched to their hometown Ghotki.

One of the members of the family, Mukhi Sevak Ram, said they were tempted to relocate due to the tall claims of the Modi government. However, the real face of Prime Minister Modi was exposed when they reached India.

More families are planning to move back, Ram told media.

Source: https://propakistani.pk/2020/09/12/...n-india-for-refusing-to-spy-against-pakistan/

 

[saeedhk]

The All Pakistan Hindu Panchayat (APHP) claims that majority of cases of marriages between Hindu women and Muslim men were result of love affairs. They stated that it was due to family honor that stories of abduction and forced conversion arise.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ffairs-not-abduction/articleshow/73747515.cms

Its not just in Pakistan. You name the country, if a Muslim man marries a non Muslim women, most likely either she will convert or agree to raise children Muslim.

That is laughable. How come only teenage Hindu girls are converting to Islam?

How come no teenage Hindu boys are doing the same?

How come no older Hindu women are converting?

 

[Mesozoic]

The All Pakistan Hindu Panchayat (APHP) claims that majority of cases of marriages between Hindu women and Muslim men were result of love affairs. They stated that it was due to family honor that stories of abduction and forced conversion arise.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ffairs-not-abduction/articleshow/73747515.cms

Its not just in Pakistan. You name the country, if a Muslim man marries a non Muslim women, most likely either she will convert or agree to raise children Muslim.

Hindu Panchayat.....

Here I'll give you one too.

"No Threat For Hindustani Muslims": UP Muslim Board Favours NRC

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/utt...ours-national-register-of-citizen-nrc-2154713

So this means Indian Muslims are pro-NRC and pro CAA. They wholeheartedly support Modi, Shah and BJP for taking this step. They're all set to welcome NRC with flowers and.....

I think you got my point.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That is laughable. How come only teenage Hindu girls are converting to Islam?

How come no teenage Hindu boys are doing the same?

How come no older Hindu women are converting?

How do you know teenage hindu boys or older hindu women aren't converting? Do you have any stats to back this up?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

That is laughable. How come only teenage Hindu girls are converting to Islam?

How come no older Hindu women are converting?

Because Muslim man marries non Muslim women 99% of the time in subcontinent history results in the women converting to Islam.

Its conversion for sake of marriage. Not because they are in love with Islam. In Pakistan most girls get married before 30 and so naturally girls who are converting for marriage are below that age.

Second to save face the families are lying about the age per the source i provided.

See this story of an alleged forced abduction. When medical test were done it showed they were over 18.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/452625-ghotki-girls-are-adults-says-medical-report

How come no teenage Hindu boys are doing the same?

Do you think a Muslim women is going to marry a Hindu man in Pakistan? Will be extremely rare to find such cases.

In fact i think i one of the few members of this site that would have no problem if my sister, daughter, etc would want to marry a Hindu.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Hindu Panchayat.....

Here I'll give you one too.

"No Threat For Hindustani Muslims": UP Muslim Board Favours NRC

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/utt...ours-national-register-of-citizen-nrc-2154713

So this means Indian Muslims are pro-NRC and pro CAA. They wholeheartedly support Modi, Shah and BJP for taking this step. They're all set to welcome NRC with flowers and.....

I think you got my point.

I am not saying that Hindus dont have problems in Pakistan. They have alot of problems there. All I am saying is for one specific issue, the allegation that Hindu girls are forced to marry Muslim men is wrong.

Its conversion for sake of marriage. Not because they are in love with Islam. And for the family to save face they need to say they were forcibly abducted, or they are under age. There have been plenty of cases where it was proven that those girls are in fact over 18 and married on their own choice.

In India when Muslim men marry Hindu women, those women covert to Islam as well for the most part. And to save face in India, Hindus say Love Jihad.

The better argument that needs to be made is if Muslim men can marry Hindu women, why cant Hindu men marry women Muslim. I am in complete support of that. If my sister, daughter, cousin, etc wanted to marry a Hindu man I would have no problem. And any legal restrictions on these marriages if they exist need to go.

 

[saeedhk]

Because Muslim man marries non Muslim women 99% of the time in subcontinent history results in the women converting to Islam.

Its conversion for sake of marriage. Not because they are in love with Islam. In Pakistan most girls get married before 30 and so naturally girls who are converting for marriage are below that age.

Second to save face the families are lying about the age per the source i provided.

See this story of an alleged forced abduction. When medical test were done it showed they were over 18.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/452625-ghotki-girls-are-adults-says-medical-report



Do you think a Muslim women is going to marry a Hindu man in Pakistan? Will be extremely rare to find such cases.

In fact i think i one of the few members of this site that would have no problem if my sister, daughter, etc would want to marry a Hindu.

The question is still unanswered. My question is why young Hindu boys are not converting? Why only young Hindu girls?

Why aren't Pakistani Muslims converting young Hindu boys and then marrying off their daughters to them?

 

[Thomaskutty]

If my sister, daughter, cousin, etc wanted to marry a Hindu man I would have no problem.

That''s open-minded of you, particularly when Islam strictly doesn't allow this. Infact I can't even recall many hindu man+muslim woman couple that are public figures.

 

[Nostalgic]

At first glance at the thread title, I thought Pakistani Hindus were busy carving out their own state out of the Humsaaya Mulk...

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The question is still unanswered. My question is why young Hindu boys are not converting? Why only young Hindu girls?

Why aren't Pakistani Muslims converting young Hindu boys and then marrying off their daughters to them?

These are not arranged marriages. They are love marriages.

Do you think a Pakistani Hindu guy will try to date a Pakistani Muslim girl? He would be literally risking his life.

 

[saeedhk]

These are not arranged marriages. They are love marriages.

Do you think a Pakistani Hindu guy will try to date a Pakistani Muslim girl? He would be literally risking his life.

Seems like you are deliberately misunderstanding my question. See my post again!

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Seems like you are deliberately misunderstanding my question. See my post again!

I understood your post.

The question is still unanswered. My question is why young Hindu boys are not converting? Why only young Hindu girls?

Why aren't Pakistani Muslims converting young Hindu boys and then marrying off their daughters to them?

I will try answering it again. Hindu girls are converting not out of love for Islam, only converting to marry a Muslim guy they were dating.

Hindu guys are not in a position to date let alone marry a Muslim women in Pakistan. Thats discrimination, and i am against it, but that's the real reason.

To save face families are saying these girls are under 18.

You can choose not to believe it. But if you live abroad, you will know that whenever a Pakistani guy marries a non Muslim women, majority of time she converts or at minimum children are raised Muslim.

 

[pillionrider]

That''s open-minded of you, particularly when Islam strictly doesn't allow this. Infact I can't even recall many hindu man+muslim woman couple that are public figures.

Ajit Agarkar, Hrithik Roshan, Sanjay Dutt, Sunil Dutt, Manoj Bajpai, Sachin Pilot, Mahesh Bhat (he's also part-Muslim by birth - Muslim mother, Hindu father), Sunil Shetty.

There are plenty. But only if you want to look.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I understood your post.



I will try answering it again. Hindu girls are converting not out of love for Islam, only converting to marry a Muslim guy they were dating.

Hindu guys are not in a position to date let alone marry a Muslim women in Pakistan. Thats discrimination, and i am against it, but that's the real reason.

To save face families are saying these girls are under 18.

You can choose not to believe it. But if you live abroad, you will know that whenever a Pakistani guy marries a non Muslim women, majority of time she converts or at minimum children are raised Muslim.

As long as the girls are getting married and not used for trafficking it is a good thing (understandable if the parents feel wronged). They are only climbing up the social ladder and getting a better life. It is better than caste system where there is no ladder to climb.

 

[uberkoen]

I understood your post.



I will try answering it again. Hindu girls are converting not out of love for Islam, only converting to marry a Muslim guy they were dating.

Hindu guys are not in a position to date let alone marry a Muslim women in Pakistan. Thats discrimination, and i am against it, but that's the real reason.

To save face families are saying these girls are under 18.

You can choose not to believe it. But if you live abroad, you will know that whenever a Pakistani guy marries a non Muslim women, majority of time she converts or at minimum children are raised Muslim.

There are definitely cases of Hindu girls converting to Islam to marry a Muslim guy but there are also cases of forced conversion. Don't try to act as if this isn't happening because it is and it needs to be addressed and stopped.

 

[waheed_sofi]

https://m.thewire.in/article/external/hindu-sikh-pakistani-refugees-indian-citizenship/amp
Hindu and Sikh Refugees Among 243 Nationals Who Will Return to Pakistan

 

[MenInG]

KARACHI: The Indian government has refused a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) request for landing at Jaipur International Airport aimed at facilitating Hindu pilgrims travelling between Karachi and Jaipur, ARY NEWS reported.

According to sources privy to the matter, the PIA has sought permission from the Indian Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) to allow a special flight from Karachi to Jaipur carrying Hindu pilgrims on January 29.

The special PIA flight was arranged on the request of the Pakistan Hindu Council (PHC) for visit to religious sites and according to sources, the flight had to carry 160 pilgrims from Karachi to Lahore on Saturday morning and then to Jaipur.

“The flight had to land at Jaipur airport at 12:00 noon on Saturday,” they said and added that however, the PIA was not given permission to plan the flight.

The PIA officials have confirmed to ARY NEWS that the Indian government has refused PIA’s request to land at Jaipur airport. “Last month, the Indian government also denied permission to a PIA flight to land at New Delhi airport,” they said.

In March 2021, an Indian airplane had made an emergency landing at the Jinnah International Airport Karachi after, a man passed away while flying from Sharjah to Lucknow.

The pilot of an Indian airliner had to force the plane to make an emergency landing to deal with the situation at hand.

The pilot had sought permission from the Air Traffic Controller (ATC) after communicating the situation. Later, the pilot had been allowed to make an emergency landing on humanitarian grounds.

ARY

 

[srh]

KARACHI: The Indian government has refused a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) request for landing at Jaipur International Airport aimed at facilitating Hindu pilgrims travelling between Karachi and Jaipur, ARY NEWS reported.

According to sources privy to the matter, the PIA has sought permission from the Indian Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) to allow a special flight from Karachi to Jaipur carrying Hindu pilgrims on January 29.

The special PIA flight was arranged on the request of the Pakistan Hindu Council (PHC) for visit to religious sites and according to sources, the flight had to carry 160 pilgrims from Karachi to Lahore on Saturday morning and then to Jaipur.

“The flight had to land at Jaipur airport at 12:00 noon on Saturday,” they said and added that however, the PIA was not given permission to plan the flight.

The PIA officials have confirmed to ARY NEWS that the Indian government has refused PIA’s request to land at Jaipur airport. “Last month, the Indian government also denied permission to a PIA flight to land at New Delhi airport,” they said.

In March 2021, an Indian airplane had made an emergency landing at the Jinnah International Airport Karachi after, a man passed away while flying from Sharjah to Lucknow.

The pilot of an Indian airliner had to force the plane to make an emergency landing to deal with the situation at hand.

The pilot had sought permission from the Air Traffic Controller (ATC) after communicating the situation. Later, the pilot had been allowed to make an emergency landing on humanitarian grounds.

ARY

Big heart?

 

[Stewie]

I would put that statement a bit differently. Indian muslims never required to seek refuge in Pakistan because the circumstances never been dire. As you rightly said, apart from hollow threats from few petty people (intolerant Bhakts as you would call them), muslims in India never face any discrimination and hence no one ever required to take refuge in any other country.

Now that we established a mutual ground regarding Indian muslims, I would like to know why Pakistani hindus taking refuge in India in 1st place? What hardships they are facing as refugee in India will come after later but first the reason of them deserting their homeland needs to be answered. Its all chronological and we must not jump the ship.

Its like you are putting a piece of code in production without doing any unit test and blaming users for not doing UAT appropriately. Thats not how it works unfortunately.

I am sorry to burst your bubble but the truth is that Muslims are rather bullheaded. They don’t want to run, they will fight for their rights if they need to. Also Indian Muslims are patriots who believe in the secularism of India which has been dying since
Modi took on.
On the other hand Pakistan was always an Islamic state and not a secular state, but still it seems Pakistani Hindus are happy being back home and I am glad they are.

 

[Kaptan]

I am sorry to burst your bubble but the truth is that Muslims are rather bullheaded. They don’t want to run, they will fight for their rights if they need to. Also Indian Muslims are patriots who believe in the secularism of India which has been dying since
Modi took on.
On the other hand Pakistan was always an Islamic state and not a secular state, but still it seems Pakistani Hindus are happy being back home and I am glad they are.

Hmm... No

Most of the refugees are infact Muslims.

 

[Afzal_K]

 

[MenInG]

India on Thursday called on Pakistan to protect its minorities after the killing of a Hindu woman Daya Bheel in Sindh province.
Speaking at the weekly media briefing of the Ministry of External Affairs, spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said, "We have seen reports about it, but we don't have specific details on the case, but we have reiterated that Pakistan should protect its minorities along with their safety, security and well-being, which is their responsibility."

There is outrage in Pakistan's Sindh after a Hindu woman Daya Bheel was brutally killed.

Krishna Kumari, Senator of Pakistan Peoples Party from Tharparkar Sindh rushed to her village and confirmed the news of the brutal murder of the Hindu woman.

"Daya Bheel, 40-year-old widow brutally murdered and her body was found in very bad condition. Her head was separated from the body and the savages had removed the flesh from the whole head. Visited her village Police teams from Sinjhoro and Shahpurchakar also reached," she tweeted.

"Daya Bheel, who was brutally murdered -- her case won't be highlighted in the media, nor will Politicians in Islamabad or the Sindh government issue a statement. Will the police apprehend culprits? Will Hindus be treated as equal citizens in their motherland Sindh? tweeted The Rise News, a nonprofit news organization.

NDTV

 

[PakLFC]

Yes we have a problem with our Hindu's. Even Dani Kaneria said so but he was playing the victim card. Mo Aisf was also permanently banned from the Pak side as well. Need to remember that not every murder or crime is related to religion as people seem to think. This is just a mindset many in Pak community have that whenever someone from the minority community is targeted it is due to their religious belief.

India worry about your own fanatics who were kicking around a fake Santa Claus recently instead of lecturing us. People living in glass houses and all that.

 

[DRsohail]

Kaneria is just cry baby. But yes minorities are not safe, they are living dangerously in pakistan.

 

[ex-q-zit]

"When My Mother Didn't Return...": Son Of Murdered Pakistani Hindu Woman

A 44-year-old Hindu woman was murdered and her body was found mutilated in a mustard field in Pakistan's Sindh's province, triggering fear and panic amongst the country's Hindu community, who held protests to voice their outrage over the brutal incident.

Krishna Kumari, a Hindu senator from Pakistan Peoples Party in Sindh province took to Twitter on Thursday to break the news of Daya Bheel, a Hindu widow's murder in Sinjhiro, a town in Sanghar district in Sindh province.

"Daya Bheel suddenly disappeared from agri field yesterday near Sinjhoro. Her dead body was found in a very bad condition in mustard field. Her head was separated from the body," Kumari tweeted.

Bheel's mutilated body was found on December 27, after her son Soomar went searching for her in the mustard field.

"What is agonising for us (family) is the manner in which she was killed," her son Soomar told PTI.

"When my mother didn't return, we went out to search for her and after hours of search we found her mutilated body in the field," he added.

She was survived by four children.

The incident has sparked an uproar amongst the Hindu community in the province, who staged protests in the Sanghar district demanding prompt police action.

Sindh police have formed a joint investigation team to probe the murder.

Hindus form the biggest minority community in Pakistan.

According to official estimates, 75 lakh Hindus live in the country.

The majority of Pakistan's Hindu population is settled in Sindh province where they share culture, traditions and language with Muslim residents.

NDTV

 

[PakLFC]

I have absolutely no problem with the criticism of developed countries as to how terribly we treat our minorities. We do have a massive problem that needs to be discussed. Much of this problem is due to the Mullah culture in Pak that prevails over everything where the common person is terrified of them. Where are the likes of Imran Khan and Zaid Hamid now?. I guess for these Taliban lovers Pak Hindu's are not human enough to be mentioned in the same breath as his blue blooded Muslim's.

If we condemn the murder of Muslim's in other countries then we must also do so of non Muslim's in Muslim countries.

 

[Cricket-lion]

"When My Mother Didn't Return...": Son Of Murdered Pakistani Hindu Woman

A 44-year-old Hindu woman was murdered and her body was found mutilated in a mustard field in Pakistan's Sindh's province, triggering fear and panic amongst the country's Hindu community, who held protests to voice their outrage over the brutal incident.

Krishna Kumari, a Hindu senator from Pakistan Peoples Party in Sindh province took to Twitter on Thursday to break the news of Daya Bheel, a Hindu widow's murder in Sinjhiro, a town in Sanghar district in Sindh province.

"Daya Bheel suddenly disappeared from agri field yesterday near Sinjhoro. Her dead body was found in a very bad condition in mustard field. Her head was separated from the body," Kumari tweeted.

Bheel's mutilated body was found on December 27, after her son Soomar went searching for her in the mustard field.

"What is agonising for us (family) is the manner in which she was killed," her son Soomar told PTI.

"When my mother didn't return, we went out to search for her and after hours of search we found her mutilated body in the field," he added.

She was survived by four children.

The incident has sparked an uproar amongst the Hindu community in the province, who staged protests in the Sanghar district demanding prompt police action.

Sindh police have formed a joint investigation team to probe the murder.

Hindus form the biggest minority community in Pakistan.

According to official estimates, 75 lakh Hindus live in the country.

The majority of Pakistan's Hindu population is settled in Sindh province where they share culture, traditions and language with Muslim residents.

NDTV

This is disgusting! However, even Muslims are treated badly in Pakistan. The society has become rotten to the core.

 

[MenInG]

At least four persons were arrested in connection with the coldblooded murder of a Hindu woman in Sindh’s Sanghar district, police said on Saturday.

Forty-year-old widow Daya Bheel was found brutally murdered in a mustard field in the Sinjhoro taluka of Sanghar last week. Her body was found by a watercourse near the fields.

In a press conference on Saturday, Shaheed Benzirabad Deputy Inspector General of Police (DIG) Muhammad Younis Chandio and Sanghar Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP) Bashir Ahmad Brohi informed the media that the police had apprehended four persons in connection with the murder.

The police officers said that Roopo Bheel — a spellcaster — was arrested from his village. A handout issued by the police said that he had confessed to killing the woman with the help of others due to personal enmity.

DAWN

 

[daytrader]

Pakistani Hindu families find it hard to settle in India
No access to basic facilities, being treated as inferiors awaits immigrants once they cross the border

In search of greener pastures many Hindu families from Pakistan immigrate to India but the treatment they receive makes them realise that the grass is not as green as perceived, at the other side of the border.

Hundreds of Hindu families who left Pakistan in the past decade, allured by the Indian government’s promises of citizenship and work, have either been living in tent settlements in New Delhi or have returned back home due to the lack of access to basic services and the Indian government’s empty promises. One such family is that of Pyaru Shawani, a resident of Mithi, Tharparkar.

“I spent two years in India but my longing to go back to Pakistan eventually won. India is okay to live in when one is a guest but staying there permanently is a massive challenge,” informed Shawani, adding that there was no place like home. Faqiroo Khachi, who went to India along with his family and 46 other Hindus, moved back to Pakistan in December of 2020 and shares Shawani’s feelings.

“We went for a religious pilgrimage but our relatives in India forced us to stay back and start a new life. It was a dreadful experience,” recalled Khachi.

“We stayed in a tent settlement and everyone would refer to us as Pakistanis and look down upon us. Some would even call us terrorists because we wore shalwar kameez. Overall it was a dreadful time.”

While some like Shawani and Khachi do not put up with the treatment dished out to them, there are others who stay. As per data by the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs, more than 4,100 Pakistanis have received Indian citizenship in the past five years and many more are pending.

...
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2401289/pakistani-hindu-families-find-it-hard-to-settle-in-india

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No matter how hard they try, they are never going to be accepted in India. At best they will all be treated as dalits.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So, let me get this straight.

These families, most hovering along the poverty line, subjected to systemic discrimination, uproot everything and move hundreds of miles away, so they can be treated as a human being.

Once these refugees are subjected to further discrimination, and are stuck between a rock and a hard place, your response is to mock them. BRAVO!

Not only that, you’re insinuated that they should have been grateful for their treatment in Pakistan.

What have you done to address their persecution, as you are gloating about their return?

What a dumb post. Where did I mock them? I said it's a great lesson for them to know that grass is not greener on the other side. If I had the power to do something, I would first do it for my own country's minorities then think about others. You may like it or not but that's how it should be. Same goes for Pakistan they should think about their minorities first.

Pakistani Hindu families find it hard to settle in India
No access to basic facilities, being treated as inferiors awaits immigrants once they cross the border

In search of greener pastures many Hindu families from Pakistan immigrate to India but the treatment they receive makes them realise that the grass is not as green as perceived, at the other side of the border.

Hundreds of Hindu families who left Pakistan in the past decade, allured by the Indian government’s promises of citizenship and work, have either been living in tent settlements in New Delhi or have returned back home due to the lack of access to basic services and the Indian government’s empty promises. One such family is that of Pyaru Shawani, a resident of Mithi, Tharparkar.

“I spent two years in India but my longing to go back to Pakistan eventually won. India is okay to live in when one is a guest but staying there permanently is a massive challenge,” informed Shawani, adding that there was no place like home. Faqiroo Khachi, who went to India along with his family and 46 other Hindus, moved back to Pakistan in December of 2020 and shares Shawani’s feelings.

“We went for a religious pilgrimage but our relatives in India forced us to stay back and start a new life. It was a dreadful experience,” recalled Khachi.

“We stayed in a tent settlement and everyone would refer to us as Pakistanis and look down upon us. Some would even call us terrorists because we wore shalwar kameez. Overall it was a dreadful time.”

While some like Shawani and Khachi do not put up with the treatment dished out to them, there are others who stay. As per data by the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs, more than 4,100 Pakistanis have received Indian citizenship in the past five years and many more are pending.

...
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2401289/pakistani-hindu-families-find-it-hard-to-settle-in-india

[MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] What did I say? Not sure whether you are still around but I said the exact same thing 2 years ago. You now have a proof.

 

[Rajdeep]

No matter how hard they try, they are never going to be accepted in India. At best they will all be treated as dalits.

They will not be accepted in India bcoz India already has enough population to manage. Taking in more people meaning direct impact on livelihood. But that does not change the fact that Hindus and other minorities are systematically persecuted in Pakistan & Bangladesh. One has to check the population graph to figure it out.

Had the partition been fair and square, meaning all muslims migrated to Pakistan (East ot West) and Hindus/Sikhs/Christiana remained in India, this problem would not have arised after so many years.

Thank you.

 

[Local.Dada]

They will not be accepted in India bcoz India already has enough population to manage. Taking in more people meaning direct impact on livelihood. But that does not change the fact that Hindus and other minorities are systematically persecuted in Pakistan & Bangladesh. One has to check the population graph to figure it out.

Had the partition been fair and square, meaning all muslims migrated to Pakistan (East ot West) and Hindus/Sikhs/Christiana remained in India, this problem would not have arised after so many years.

Thank you.

Full migration of population would not be practical. While it’s obvious that life for Hindus and other minorities is living hell in subcontinent islamic countries like Ban, Pak, Afghan, it would make total sense on paper if there was a full population exchange but not practical.

Proof is in the pudding how well those communities are doing there.

On the other hand there are 4 type of Indian Muslims: one who wanted Pakistan so they already got it so all good. India has acknowledged Pakistan as a sovereign country so all good there.

One who are the poor strata of the society who have no options either ways and don’t have much of a choice. Explains minorities in those countries too.

The 3rd are the elite types who still think on the lines of some of the Pakistanis we see here with the same rhetoric like 1000 saal ki ghulaami or Muslims ruled over non-believers etc. they are not as vocal as their Pakistani counterparts because this type is patriotic to India as they feel entire India belongs to their forefathers who ruled here. Some of it delusional obviously because most are not even descendants of those people. However they have their own brand of nationalism.

The last type which is I would say is a significant majority of Indian Muslims. These are the ones who reject the idea of Pakistan and are patriotic to India unconditionally.

I know first hand that even some of the Muslims who burst crackers when Pakistan wins a cricket match etc are only doing it to annoy or irritate the other side. I don’t think they mean malice.

You see an Indian Muslim put his points even against the government or you see the typical argument from Pakistan public with the usual rhetoric, you can see the difference.

As I always said exceptions to the rule exist. I personally know some Pakistanis who are brilliant and deserve the success they got. Surprisingly or not so surprisingly they sound nothing like some of the sample set we see here.

 

[Local.Dada]

No matter how hard they try, they are never going to be accepted in India. At best they will all be treated as dalits.

Because any migrant who leaves his home under whatever circumstances will have to start over in a new place. If Indian government starts giving perks to refugees you will post a million articles here

Also this is exactly why CAA is needed so that these people can be settled officially instead of them being illegal refugees and suffering the consequences.

There isn’t some rocket science here. It’s that simple.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They will not be accepted in India bcoz India already has enough population to manage. Taking in more people meaning direct impact on livelihood. But that does not change the fact that Hindus and other minorities are systematically persecuted in Pakistan & Bangladesh. One has to check the population graph to figure it out.

Had the partition been fair and square, meaning all muslims migrated to Pakistan (East ot West) and Hindus/Sikhs/Christiana remained in India, this problem would not have arised after so many years.

Thank you.

Then why invite them over in the first place? Does that make sense to you?

 

[Rajdeep]

Full migration of population would not be practical. While it’s obvious that life for Hindus and other minorities is living hell in subcontinent islamic countries like Ban, Pak, Afghan, it would make total sense on paper if there was a full population exchange but not practical.

Proof is in the pudding how well those communities are doing there.

On the other hand there are 4 type of Indian Muslims: one who wanted Pakistan so they already got it so all good. India has acknowledged Pakistan as a sovereign country so all good there.

One who are the poor strata of the society who have no options either ways and don’t have much of a choice. Explains minorities in those countries too.

The 3rd are the elite types who still think on the lines of some of the Pakistanis we see here with the same rhetoric like 1000 saal ki ghulaami or Muslims ruled over non-believers etc. they are not as vocal as their Pakistani counterparts because this type is patriotic to India as they feel entire India belongs to their forefathers who ruled here. Some of it delusional obviously because most are not even descendants of those people. However they have their own brand of nationalism.

The last type which is I would say is a significant majority of Indian Muslims. These are the ones who reject the idea of Pakistan and are patriotic to India unconditionally.

I know first hand that even some of the Muslims who burst crackers when Pakistan wins a cricket match etc are only doing it to annoy or irritate the other side. I don’t think they mean malice.

You see an Indian Muslim put his points even against the government or you see the typical argument from Pakistan public with the usual rhetoric, you can see the difference.

As I always said exceptions to the rule exist. I personally know some Pakistanis who are brilliant and deserve the success they got. Surprisingly or not so surprisingly they sound nothing like some of the sample set we see here.

Yes you make some excellent points and I totally agree that full migration of population would not be practical.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistani Hindu families find it hard to settle in India
No access to basic facilities, being treated as inferiors awaits immigrants once they cross the border

In search of greener pastures many Hindu families from Pakistan immigrate to India but the treatment they receive makes them realise that the grass is not as green as perceived, at the other side of the border.

Hundreds of Hindu families who left Pakistan in the past decade, allured by the Indian government’s promises of citizenship and work, have either been living in tent settlements in New Delhi or have returned back home due to the lack of access to basic services and the Indian government’s empty promises. One such family is that of Pyaru Shawani, a resident of Mithi, Tharparkar.

“I spent two years in India but my longing to go back to Pakistan eventually won. India is okay to live in when one is a guest but staying there permanently is a massive challenge,” informed Shawani, adding that there was no place like home. Faqiroo Khachi, who went to India along with his family and 46 other Hindus, moved back to Pakistan in December of 2020 and shares Shawani’s feelings.

“We went for a religious pilgrimage but our relatives in India forced us to stay back and start a new life. It was a dreadful experience,” recalled Khachi.

“We stayed in a tent settlement and everyone would refer to us as Pakistanis and look down upon us. Some would even call us terrorists because we wore shalwar kameez. Overall it was a dreadful time.”

While some like Shawani and Khachi do not put up with the treatment dished out to them, there are others who stay. As per data by the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs, more than 4,100 Pakistanis have received Indian citizenship in the past five years and many more are pending.

...
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2401289/pakistani-hindu-families-find-it-hard-to-settle-in-india

They will not be accepted in India bcoz India already has enough population to manage. Taking in more people meaning direct impact on livelihood. But that does not change the fact that Hindus and other minorities are systematically persecuted in Pakistan & Bangladesh. One has to check the population graph to figure it out.

Had the partition been fair and square, meaning all muslims migrated to Pakistan (East ot West) and Hindus/Sikhs/Christiana remained in India, this problem would not have arised after so many years.

Thank you.

Then why invite them over in the first place? Does that make sense to you?

[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] it is clearly written above that indian government promised to give them citizenship and work. It seems feku is living upto his nickname and his andhbhakhts are as usual typing with their eyes closed.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Then why invite them over in the first place? Does that make sense to you?

People only migrate to places with poor living conditions when their life is in danger. Better to live another day as a poor person rather than get killed or converted in a poor place.

But then again, its better to convert and live in Pakistan as a proud Muslim. Life trumps religion and culture.

 

[MenInG]

Station House Officer (SHO) Kabil Bhayo of the Khanpur police station was suspended after he tortured, harassed, manhandled and arrested Hindu shopkeepers for allegedly “violating the Ramzan Ordinance” by eating.

In a video that went viral on social media, the police officer was seen roaming the Ghotki district with a stick in his hands, using it to hit shoppers including Hindu men who were reportedly preparing biryani for delivery orders in the local market.

"I swear that I belong to the Hindu community, and he is taking away food. We do not run the dining service indoors during Ramzan,” a man who was arrested by the police said.

However, the SHO publicly forced the Hindu restaurant owner to take an oath on his sacred book. The police officer arrested more than one dozen people after physically assaulting them.

After the video went viral, the Sindh Human Rights Commission (SHRC) took notice and wrote to the deputy inspector general (DIG) Sukkur and senior superintendent of police (SSP) Ghotki to take action against the police officer.

"The act is a violation of fundamental rights of citizens regardless of their religion and beliefs and goes against Article 20 of the Constitution of Pakistan, which guarantees the freedom to profess and manage religious institutions,” a letter issued by the SHRC stated.

It added that the SHO’s behaviour was against the landmark judgment by former chief justice Tassaduq Hussain Jillani on minority rights, issued on June 19, 2014.

SHRC Chairperson Iqbal Detho said asking the senior police officials to probe into the matter and take action against the SHO.

It is pertinent to note that the Ramazan Ordinance states that only people who are obligated to fast under the tenants of Islam are barred from eating, drinking and smoking in public places during fasting hours in the month of Ramazan.

Express Tribune

 

[MenInG]

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[Major]

Woman’s rape in Hyderabad temple: priest remanded in police custody

A court remanded in police custody a Hindu priest in a rape case on Tuesday.

The suspect was arrested for allegedly subjecting a married woman to a sexual assault in a temple a day earlier. He has been kept at an undisclosed place in view of heightened religious sentiments amid a protest in the neighbourhood against the incident.

The 35-year-old victim lodged an FIR (No. 26/23) against the suspect under Sections 376 (punishment of rape) of the Pakistan Penal Code.

She stated in the FIR that she had come to visit Rani Bagh along with her mother and brother’s wife on the first day of Eid (April 22) and then decided to visit the Shiv Temple located within the vicinity of the local Circuit House.


She stated that she met the suspect who told her that he could resolve her problems in life and asked her to visit him alone on Monday (April 24). She further stated that she went to the temple, where the suspect raped her in a room after throwing “some powder” on her face that made her drowsy.

According to Cantonment ASP Aleena Rajpar, who is supervising the investigation, the police were primarily concerned with the commissioning of the offence, and not with the nature of her problem for which she had approached the priest.

The ASP said that the preliminary report of her medico-legal examination was not yet issued but doctors conveyed to the SHO that the offence of rape was indeed committed.

She said that the police could make a definite statement after examining the victim’s medical report.

Sources said that the woman, mother of a son, had some issues with her husband for which she had approached the suspect to ‘control’ him through some magic’ spell.

KARACHI: The All Pakistan Hindu Punchayat (APHP) on Tuesday condemned the rape of a woman in the Shiv Temple of Hyderabad allegedly committed by a priest.

The incident sparked protests in the area with enraged people demanding action against the suspect and justice to the victim.

APHP chairman Shankar Lal Wadhwani condemned the incident and said: “Hindu religion believes in dignity and honour of women. It does not allow its followers to disgrace any woman. If anyone from the Hindu community commits such a deplorable act, he detracts from religious lines. He is for sure a criminal and our community does not support him ...”.

Mr Wadhwani further stated: “Hindu community here comprises patriotic Pakistanis who believe in co-existence with equality and mutual respect for all castes and creeds. Temples are holy places and open to all. If any person, be it a Hindu, is found responsible for a crime, he will be answerable. We see all human beings as one family and our support will always remain with victims. We are and will always be on the side of the law and court’s decision would be supreme for us”.

Published in Dawn, April 26th, 2023

 

[MenInG]

At least 50 family members from ten families residing in different areas of the Mirpurkhas division have converted to Islam, The Express Tribune learned on Thursday.

Mohammad Shamroz Khan, son of Minister for Religious Affairs Senator Muhammad Talha Mahmood, attended the ceremony held at a local seminary - Baitul Iman New Muslim Colony.

Speaking to The Express Tribune, Qari Taimur Rajput, one of the caretakers of the organisation, confirmed that 10 families have converted to Islam.

“They all willingly converted to Islam. No one has forced them,” Rajput claimed quoting Khan. He also reportedly inquired from the new converts whether they willingly took the step during the conversion ceremony which was also attended by several local residents.

Rajput added that 50 people converted, including 23 females and a one-year-old girl. The converts will stay in a local facility specially established for the new Muslims converts in 2018.