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Steve Smith is back in the big time to reclaim his throne as the #1 Test batsman!

Everyone considers him the best test batsmen in the world bar jealous Indians. As I said live with it. He's the best test batsmen whether it shows of the standing or not.

Yea, that’s why every ex legend including Viv Richards has openly claimed that Kohli is the best batsman in the world.
 
I think it has more to do with his behavior. Kohli thinks he is above the game and he lacks respect.

Smith is much nicer and equally capable (if not more) with the bat. So, people naturally like Smith more.
Everyone knows Kohli fakes his anger. You will never see him abusing/trolling players off the ground or even in pressmeets like many do. How can you call Smith much nicer when he clearly got banned 1 year for cheating.
 
Everyone knows Kohli fakes his anger. You will never see him abusing/trolling players off the ground or even in pressmeets like many do. How can you call Smith much nicer when he clearly got banned 1 year for cheating.

He didn't do ball tampering himself and he also didn't plan it. He was just aware of it. Warner was the main planner.

Also, everybody makes mistakes. Smith is a fantastic human being and a fantastic cricketer. You don't see him jumping around like a lunatic when a decision doesn't go his way.
 
Yea, that’s why every ex legend including Viv Richards has openly claimed that Kohli is the best batsman in the world.

Odi yes test no, but go on please carry on with your insecurity. Loving this as usual crying.
 
He didn't do ball tampering himself and he also didn't plan it. He was just aware of it. Warner was the main planner.

Also, everybody makes mistakes. Smith is a fantastic human being and a fantastic cricketer. You don't see him jumping around like a lunatic when a decision doesn't go his way.

Yea, true. He just masterminded to cheat against the opposition team while he was the captain. No big deal! Why? Because he isn’t Indian. But most of all, he is in line wrestling Kohli for the throne. So how can he be a bad sportsman :))
 
Odi yes test no, but go on please carry on with your insecurity. Loving this as usual crying.

Insecurity? :))

I just named the cricketer whom PP idolizes as the greatest ever. He has quoted multiple times that Kohli is the best batsman in the word.

So who is the insecured one here?
 
Odi yes test no, but go on please carry on with your insecurity. Loving this as usual crying.

You claimed that every cricket fan knew that Smith was better than Kohli. I just reminded you that Viv has acknowledged Kohli as the best batsman in the world. So when did Viv acquire Indian citizenship? :)))
 
Yea, true. He just masterminded to cheat against the opposition team while he was the captain. No big deal! Why? Because he isn’t Indian. But most of all, he is in line wrestling Kohli for the throne. So how can he be a bad sportsman :))

No. It was Warner who was the main planner. Smith was soft and he just played along. Besides, many players temper with the ball possibly; it is just that not everyone gets caught.

I am a big fan of Rohit Sharma and Tendulkar. I like players who play with good spirits. Kohli is bit of a lunatic.
 
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Insecurity? :))

I just named the cricketer whom PP idolizes as the greatest ever. He has quoted multiple times that Kohli is the best batsman in the word.

So who is the insecured one here?

I didn't disagree did I. I said yes he is in odis but not test. He's is the greatest ever without a doubt. Smith is clearly better then him in tests there is no shame since Smith is a freak and same for kholi in odis. I just don't know why this is so difficult for some people to swallow?
 
I didn't disagree did I. I said yes he is in odis but not test. He's is the greatest ever without a doubt. Smith is clearly better then him in tests there is no shame since Smith is a freak and same for kholi in odis. I just don't know why this is so difficult for some people to swallow?

Awwww, changing tune, aren’t you?

You claimed Smith is the best batsman in the world, and claimed the only ones who disagree are jealous Indians.

I named Viv who considers Kohli the best batsman in the world. And now you’re shifting goalposts right, left, and centre to save yourself from embarrassment:))
 
In Test, Smith is miles ahead of Kohli.

Smith's average - 62.18.
Kohli's average - 53.76.
 
Awwww, changing tune, aren’t you?

You claimed Smith is the best batsman in the world, and claimed the only ones who disagree are jealous Indians.

I named Viv who considers Kohli the best batsman in the world. And now you’re shifting goalposts right, left, and centre to save yourself from embarrassment:))

You are saying kholi is better then Smith in tests. I still stick with what I said never changed Indians are jealous of Smith because he's clearly better then kholi in test. Prime example is you.

Do you consider Smith to be better then kholi in test or not? Let's not bring this guy said that this guy said that. It will lead to nothing. Let's see if you can answer the simple question.
 
Bitter pill for some Indians to swallow.

BUt you have to admit pak fans use these "borrowed legends" for so long. Ponting, Joe Root, Mike Hussey so many guys have come and gone. In that list Smith is the new entry. If not no.1 Indian batsman is always going to be in top 2 or 3 which is still great. ICC rankings are there to decide who is better at any given point. If Smith continues he will get ot the top.
 
BUt you have to admit pak fans use these "borrowed legends" for so long. Ponting, Joe Root, Mike Hussey so many guys have come and gone. In that list Smith is the new entry. If not no.1 Indian batsman is always going to be in top 2 or 3 which is still great. ICC rankings are there to decide who is better at any given point. If Smith continues he will get ot the top.

Joe root, Mike hussey the is for coming.
 
I keep being told that the best batsman bats at #3 so how can Smith be the best batsman in the world if he's not even the best batsman in his team?:ssmith
 
HaHa ...... let’s wait till ICC rates him the #1 Test batsman in the world. 1 innings won’t make him reach that spot. You can celebrate after he achieves it.

Lara, Ponting, Kallis, Sangakkara ..... and now Smith, do you see a similarity in the pattern .... cough **adopted heroes**

There is no comparison between Smith the test batsman and Kohli the test batsman. Smith is leagues ahead. Heck smith had a better record in India than Kohli
 
Smith is without a shadow of a doubt the best Test batsman in the world. In fact, if he can keep this up for another 30-40 Tests, he will put himself in contention for the GOAT title. He is incredible in this format and you cannot look beyond his mind-boggling average after a very good sample.

However, Kohli is comfortably the best batsman in the world because of his dominance across all three formats. He is the best in ODIs and T20Is and #2 in Tests.

Smith is a very good ODI player and a poor T20 player. There are several superior batsmen than him in Limited Overs cricket.

Smith is unflappable in Tests and you just know that he is going to find a way to dig out runs. He is invincible at the moment and looks like getting a hundred every time he walks to the crease.
 
Smith is without a shadow of a doubt the best Test batsman in the world. In fact, if he can keep this up for another 30-40 Tests, he will put himself in contention for the GOAT title. He is incredible in this format and you cannot look beyond his mind-boggling average after a very good sample.

However, Kohli is comfortably the best batsman in the world because of his dominance across all three formats. He is the best in ODIs and T20Is and #2 in Tests.

Smith is a very good ODI player and a poor T20 player. There are several superior batsmen than him in Limited Overs cricket.

Smith is unflappable in Tests and you just know that he is going to find a way to dig out runs. He is invincible at the moment and looks like getting a hundred every time he walks to the crease.

Smith is defensively ahead of Kohli. Kohli is offensively ahead of Smith. To be a successful consistently run getter you have to be a good defensive player which is what he is.
 
I respectfully disagree. Please abandon this club. Root and Smith are world cup winners. Kane is a MoS of the world cup.

Kohli doesn't belong anywhere near those 3. All his useless centuries don't matter. He is below those 3 even in ODIs let alone tests. I;d say even Babar Azam has already surpassed Kohli.

Yes I forgot Rameez Raja even won a World Cup so therefore Rameez > ABD
 
Smith is without a shadow of a doubt the best Test batsman in the world. In fact, if he can keep this up for another 30-40 Tests, he will put himself in contention for the GOAT title. He is incredible in this format and you cannot look beyond his mind-boggling average after a very good sample.

However, Kohli is comfortably the best batsman in the world because of his dominance across all three formats. He is the best in ODIs and T20Is and #2 in Tests.

Smith is a very good ODI player and a poor T20 player. There are several superior batsmen than him in Limited Overs cricket.

Smith is unflappable in Tests and you just know that he is going to find a way to dig out runs. He is invincible at the moment and looks like getting a hundred every time he walks to the crease.
The WC knocked Kohli down several levels.

Smith, Kohli and Kane are in the same ballpark. Smith is the best of them by a distance in Tests, while in ODI's Kane and Smith are not as far away as they were prior to the WC. If Kane and Smith are better in the 2023 WC, I would put them ahead in ODIs.

Kane without a doubt is the best captain/leader of this generation, nothing the others can do will replicate what he was able to do for us in this year's WC. There's also the big series win in the UAE which he was pivotal in.
 
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Awwww, changing tune, aren’t you?

You claimed Smith is the best batsman in the world, and claimed the only ones who disagree are jealous Indians.

I named Viv who considers Kohli the best batsman in the world. And now you’re shifting goalposts right, left, and centre to save yourself from embarrassment:))
Kohli? The player who has done nothing but crumble when his team has needed him most?
 
The WC knocked Kohli down several levels.

Smith, Kohli and Kane are in the same ballpark. Smith is the best of them by a distance in Tests, while in ODI's Kane and Smith are not as far away as they were prior to the WC. If Kane and Smith are better in the 2023 WC, I would put them ahead in ODIs.

Kane without a doubt is the best captain/leader of this generation, nothing the others can do will replicate what he was able to do for us in this year's WC. There's also the big series win in the UAE which he was pivotal in.

Its big 3 now no more fab four.

Kohli
Smith
Williamson

Each of the trio should go down as ATGs.
 
Smith has confortably zoomed ahead of Kohli as the best bataman of this era. Kohli is the king of bilaterals, we can give him that.
 
Yea, true. He just masterminded to cheat against the opposition team while he was the captain. No big deal! Why? Because he isn’t Indian. But most of all, he is in line wrestling Kohli for the throne. So how can he be a bad sportsman :))

There’s no wrestling for the throne in tests.

It’s Smith’s

In Odis it’s kohli but Smith has a World Cup where he won his team the trophy. Kohli hasn’t yet
 
Kohli can score 100 more centuries but they won't hold any value. This is coming from an Indian. Kohli is not eligible to even tie shoelaces of Steve Smith. The latter is a legend and the former is a choker. End of the debate.

I wont say he is a choker but agree with gist of your comment. Smith and Williamson are on another level compared to Root and Kohli.

And you dont have to be an Indian or a Pakistani etc to see that.

You get most points when the going gets tough!
 
I wont say he is a choker but agree with gist of your comment. Smith and Williamson are on another level compared to Root and Kohli.

And you dont have to be an Indian or a Pakistani etc to see that.

You get most points when the going gets tough!

You're being very generous then. Kohli is a disgraceful captain and a useless player.I'd take Sarfraz Ahmed over this guy happily.
 
Its not fair to call Kohli a choker. There are a few good knocks he played in other ICC knockout matches
Champions trophy 2013 - semis and final
Champions trophy 2017 - semis
T20 WC 2014 - semi final, final
T20 WC 2016 - mustwin game Vs Aus, semi final

And coming back to Topic - Tests
Smith has a much better overall record than the rest but Kohli is a much improved test player now. He has an average of 66 in the last 3 years same as smith. If we are talking about no.1 ranking - Smith has a career highest rating of 947 where as it is 937 for Kohli. It won't be a walk in the park for Smith to reclaim No.1 ranking
 
Kohli is not a choker but he is no longer a GOAT material.

He doesnt have what it takes to be Tendulkar or Viv Richards.

He belongs to ABD league currently and a great World Cup will take him to Ponting league but will fell short of the two GOATs anyways.
 
steve smith is not one of but the greatest test batsman....he is better than bradman richards and sachin...
Kohli is nothing when compared to Smith...Kohli fans must accept this fact and move on.
 
Its not fair to call Kohli a choker. There are a few good knocks he played in other ICC knockout matches
Champions trophy 2013 - semis and final
Champions trophy 2017 - semis
T20 WC 2014 - semi final, final
T20 WC 2016 - mustwin game Vs Aus, semi final

And coming back to Topic - Tests
Smith has a much better overall record than the rest but Kohli is a much improved test player now. He has an average of 66 in the last 3 years same as smith. If we are talking about no.1 ranking - Smith has a career highest rating of 947 where as it is 937 for Kohli. It won't be a walk in the park for Smith to reclaim No.1 ranking

Smith only lost points because he was out for over a year. Kohli is nowhere near Smith in tests.
 
Folks in other threads: No one takes t20s seriously except for some Pakistanis.
Folks in this thread: Kohli is the best batsman of this generation because he dominates 2 out of 3 formats (odis and t20is).

Ay munafiqat bas tera he aasraa hai :)

Oops and i forgot to mention that there used to be so much parroting how bilateral odis dont hold much value and how Amla (who was great in bilaterals) shouldnt even be mentioned among the odi greats of this generation as he failed quite often when the going got tough and in big matches. But i guess for Kohli bilateral odis value the most and to hell with global odi tournament knockouts :)
 
Couldnt watch Don Bradman bat other than the old videos but atleast we have the privilege of watching Steve Smith bat.

He is a living legend in test cricket and this ashes test just further proved it.

Kohli, Root, Williamson are good but many players had records like such in the history of test cricket, there isn’t something in tests which sets these 3 apart from many other good players but Smith is a class apart and with big distance as he is amongst the greatest test batsmen of all time.
 
Seriously how clutch is this guy.

Saves Australia in both innings.

We are witnessing a special batsman folks.
 
As a test batsmen, I haven't seen a better bat than Smith in my lifetime.

He is a Tendulkar like run-scorer who performs like Steve Waugh under crisis.

The series in South Africa was basically an abberation. Even at home,this guy averages a freaking 77.
 
Single handily saving Australia here.

People say he is ugly to watch but I actually enjoy watching him. His movements and bat lift are unorthodox, but his balance, placement, head position, and all other batting fundamentals are mostly textbook.

Temperamentally and his hunger for runs are unbelievable as well.

Truly amazing test batter. Another few years of this and he will probably finish as the test match GOAT.
 
What a comeback! Richly deserved for the unjustly treatment received for taking the fall to save CA, should have been backed as his only crime was association.
 
Smith is undoubtedly the best test batsman of this generation. But across eras, several factors come into play . The likes of Viv, Greg Chappel, Sobers, Gavaskar, Lara, Sachin etc are all contenders for that title of 'GOAT test batsman' even if Smith surpasses all of them in average even after playing for a much longer period.This is because the playing conditions across eras has been vastly different to one another.
I would not find any sense in picking plain average and placing one batsman over the other based on that.
 
STEVE SMITH'S ASHES ATTACK ON THE RECORD BOOKS

*10. Ashes hundreds. Smith is now equal second, alongside Steve Waugh, for most Ashes tons by an Australian. Sir Don Bradman tops the list with 19 centuries.

*71.52. Smith's average since celebrating the first of 25 Test centuries at The Oval in 2013. The right-hander's overall Test average is 62.96 (Bradman's 99.94 is the only higher mark).

*140-plus, twice. The only other Australian to have registered two scores of 140-plus in a single Test is Allan Border (150no, 153 v Pakistan, Lahore 1980).

*286. Smith's tally from his two innings at Edgbaston is the biggest mountain of runs that any Australian has compiled in a Test at the venue. Graeme Smith (362) holds the overall record.

*2312. Smith's runs from 24 Ashes Tests. The only Australians with more runs in the showpiece series are Bradman (5028 from 37), Border (3222 from 42), Waugh (3173 from 45), Clem Hill (2660 from 41), Mark Taylor (2496 from 33), Ricky Ponting (2476 from 35) and Neil Harvey (2416 from 37).

AUSTRALIANS TO HAVE SCORED CENTURIES IN BOTH INNINGS OF AN ASHES TEST:

* Warren Bardsley - 136, 130 - The Oval, 1909

https://wwos.nine.com.au/cricket/th...-s-class/dcee3ee0-1ac8-449e-a040-88e9993429a2
 
Steve Smith has likened the last four days to feeling like “Christmas morning every morning” after scoring his second century in the Edgbaston Test to put Australia in a position of dominance on Sunday, 4 August.

Smith, playing his first Test back since the 12-month ban for the ball-tampering incident last year, has laid down a marker for the series with his performance in Birmingham. He scored an important 144 in the first innings – when the rest of the batting collapsed – and a 207-ball 142 in the second to assert Australia’s control.

“It's extremely special," Smith told Test Match Special. "I've never scored a 100 in both innings in any form of cricket in my life. To do it my first game back, in an Ashes Test, knowing how important the first Test is, I'm pleased. We're in a great position now. Hopefully, we can make use of that on Monday.

“I love Test cricket, and I love playing against England. I’ve loved these last four days. It’s felt like Christmas morning every morning.”

The Edgbaston crowd had made it a point to boo Smith, along with David Warner and Cameron Bancroft, for their part in the ball-tampering incident last year, but over the course of the Test, Smith has managed to turn those boos into applause.

"It seemed as though there was a lot of praise and it was nice walking off to that," said Smith. “I'm really pleased that I have been able to do what I have done."

Smith was also asked about the possibility of him getting back into a leadership role with Australia – he has been seen helping Tim Paine on the field with tactics – but Smith isn’t thinking about that at the moment. “It’s certainly not on my radar at the moment,” Smith said.

“Of course, I’m experienced now, and able to help in any way that I can. [Paine] knows I’m there to help him. If I see something I’ll always go to him for the betterment of the team.”

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1300780
 
Another hundred, in the same match, another innings when his team needed it the most. Smith is well and truly the best Test batsman in the world right now and amongst the very, very best in the history of the format anyway. Great temperament, great dedication, a great mind! What a player!
 
To those who wonder why he is considered as a GOAT material.

This is why.

IMPACT.

After his first innings heroics, he could have failed in the 2nd innings and no one would have blamed him.

He could have scored a nice 50 in second innings and got out and people would hail him.

But he didnt stop there.

He stuck on.

Grinded during the tough period in the 2nd innings and then piled it on to take the game away from England.

This is IMPACT.

This is batting of the highest order.

Stats cant do justice to this guy's impact

He's as elite as they come.
 
To those who wonder why he is considered as a GOAT material.

This is why.

IMPACT.

After his first innings heroics, he could have failed in the 2nd innings and no one would have blamed him.

He could have scored a nice 50 in second innings and got out and people would hail him.

But he didnt stop there.

He stuck on.

Grinded during the tough period in the 2nd innings and then piled it on to take the game away from England.

This is IMPACT.

This is batting of the highest order.

Stats cant do justice to this guy's impact

He's as elite as they come.

Yeah what a comeback it has been.. Australia looked done and dusted at 120/8 in the first innings but somehow due to Superhuman Steven Smiths efforts they are on the verge of a 250 runs victory Iver England.

How the tables have turned.

That's two match winning centuries in one match for Steven Smith.
 
Smith
Daylight
Kohli
Williamson
Daylight
Root.

It hurts to say that smith is better than kohli but we can't hide the truth forever.
But still i have high hopes that kohli is watching smith and is looking forward to giving smith a good fight.
 
Smith
Daylight
Kohli
Williamson
Daylight
Root.

It hurts to say that smith is better than kohli but we can't hide the truth forever.
But still i have high hopes that kohli is watching smith and is looking forward to giving smith a good fight.

Agree with this - however there is nothing in it between kohli and williamson the test players both are equally good. Root however is not a member of Fab four anymore he is just similar to some other good batsmen currently around in the game.
 
i don't think it was even a doubt even before this test match performance.Smith is the undisputed best test batsman of this era.

But it is in ODIs that he is far from a great. He only avg:s 41.41 in this 50 avg: era. To add to that his country wise record is very average. Out of the 9 countries he has played in vs 'non minnows' he avg:s below 40 in 6 of them, and below 30 in 4 of them. In ODIs, he is the Jayawardene of this era.
 
i don't think it was even a doubt even before this test match performance.Smith is the undisputed best test batsman of this era.

But it is in ODIs that he is far from a great. He only avg:s 41.41 in this 50 avg: era. To add to that his country wise record is very average. Out of the 9 countries he has played in vs 'non minnows' he avg:s below 40 in 6 of them, and below 30 in 4 of them. In ODIs, he is the Jayawardene of this era.

As a specialist batsman, he averages 45 plus at a strike rate of 88 against non-minnows. IMO he worth more than what his numbers suggest because of the role he plays in the lineup.
He averages 40 plus against every strong side except England( averages 37) at a very good scoring rate.

IMO average in a particular country is becoming a meaningless stat as every country are producing flat tracks in ODIs cricket.

Also, he played a very big role in Australia's World cup victory scoring 100 in semi and unbeaten 50 in the finals.

I don't think he is as good as Williamson or Root but he is a very good player.
 
Agree with this - however there is nothing in it between kohli and williamson the test players both are equally good. Root however is not a member of Fab four anymore he is just similar to some other good batsmen currently around in the game.
williamson has to prove himself in india,england and south africa.
eng-30
ind-35
sa-21
Although i agree that impact wise he is as good as kohli but kohli had to cross many barriers before proving himself in tests,now the same applies to williamson
 
As a specialist batsman, he averages 45 plus at a strike rate of 88 against non-minnows. IMO he worth more than what his numbers suggest because of the role he plays in the lineup.
He averages 40 plus against every strong side except England( averages 37) at a very good scoring rate.



IMO average in a particular country is becoming a meaningless stat as every country are producing flat tracks in ODIs cricket.

Also, he played a very big role in Australia's World cup victory scoring 100 in semi and unbeaten 50 in the finals.

I don't think he is as good as Williamson or Root but he is a very good player.

He avgs: 33.2 vs ENG & 38 vs SL. Even if he has healthy averages in other countries, that is basically in 'AUS'. If 'Country wise' stats is getting meaning less, why Smith's record is such mediocre in majority of countries??
Agreed, his world cup performances has its weightage, yet over all he is at the best a 'good' ODI player only.
 
He avgs: 33.2 vs ENG & 38 vs SL. Even if he has healthy averages in other countries, that is basically in 'AUS'. If 'Country wise' stats is getting meaning less, why Smith's record is such mediocre in majority of countries??
Agreed, his world cup performances has its weightage, yet over all he is at the best a 'good' ODI player only.

For a significant portion of his ODI career he played at #7 or around that
 
Lets wait until his career ends, he has 4/5 years to go at least.

But those two innings were top drawer, great batting.
 
Average day in the middle by his standards which says everything
 
There are all three results still possible in this game.

What if Australia get England all out at 180 and then get bowled at 120??

Rather let England bat as long as they want..They won't declare unless lead is 200+ and Aussies have only two sessions.
 
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Just 9 points behind now.

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For a significant portion of his ODI career he played at #7 or around that

that is not true....baring a few 15-20 inns be always batted at 3rd or 4rth position as of now. Havind said that , he still has 4-5 good years as a ODI player. So we can wait and see.

As of now his ODI record is too average for me and hence Kohli is the over all best.
 
To those who wonder why he is considered as a GOAT material.

This is why.

IMPACT.

After his first innings heroics, he could have failed in the 2nd innings and no one would have blamed him.

He could have scored a nice 50 in second innings and got out and people would hail him.

But he didnt stop there.

He stuck on.

Grinded during the tough period in the 2nd innings and then piled it on to take the game away from England.

This is IMPACT.

This is batting of the highest order.

Stats cant do justice to this guy's impact

He's as elite as they come.

How do you see his failure in SA last time around? I mean he was under immense pressure in the last game after all the drama but still he was cooked against some very high quality pace bowling..
 
How do you see his failure in SA last time around? I mean he was under immense pressure in the last game after all the drama but still he was cooked against some very high quality pace bowling..

He averages 41 in SA, which is better than ATG’s like Dravid and Tendulkar.
 
How do you see his failure in SA last time around? I mean he was under immense pressure in the last game after all the drama but still he was cooked against some very high quality pace bowling..

He has scored in most countries, he has a match winning century in South Africa. Lol he is allowed to fail in 1 country. All great players have a blemish on their record. But Smith hasn’t done that bad in South Africa.
 
He has scored in most countries, he has a match winning century in South Africa. Lol he is allowed to fail in 1 country. All great players have a blemish on their record. But Smith hasn’t done that bad in South Africa.

He was out of form and fatigued in that series. Even Bradman got out on duck several times.
 
Gotta love the overreaction from casuals.. Greatest ever or greatest since in every other sentence.
 
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